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Nagaraj Paturi

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Jun 19, 2021, 4:56:06 AM6/19/21
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Dear Colleagues,

I am pleased to inform you about a new repository of searchable electronic texts of Dharmaśāstra commentaries and digests, hosted at the University of Texas. During the pandemic, Patrick Olivelle has been hard at work transcribing several important texts (thousands of pages!), often comparing editions and providing text-critical notes. Although we intend to make these open texts (CC BY-SA) available later through a central repository such as GRETIL or SARIT, the proofreading process for texts of this size is time-consuming. Rather than wait, however, we wanted to share the initial transcriptions of six texts, portions of which have been checked. They are offered to the Indological community as Google docs which can be downloaded in various formats. That format may be slower to load, but it makes corrections by a group easy. In most cases, we have also been able to provide links to PDFs of standard editions of the same texts for easy cross-referencing. In any case, we hope the availability of these e-texts will facilitate future research on Dharmaśāstra.

Please join me in a public expression of thanks to Patrick for his typically tireless scholarly efforts to make these texts available. All inquiries, suggestions, etc. should be sent to me, but users are warned that the texts are offered as-is and that we are making continuous updates to the files.


Best, 

Don Davis
Professor & Chair
Department of Asian Studies
University of Texas at Austin

Gauri Mahulikar

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Jun 19, 2021, 7:13:56 AM6/19/21
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Hari Om!
It's a humongous task achieved by Patrick Olivelle.
Many congratulations and thanks for making the texts available for Indologists

warm regards
Prof. Gauri Mahulikar
Dean of Faculty, Chinmaya University
Veliyanad, Ernakulam, 682313
Former Prof & Head, Sanskrit Dept
Mumbai University



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Nabanarayan Bandyopadhyay

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Dear Professor Don Davis, 
A lot of thanks for the information. Hearty congratulations to Professor Patrick Olivelle and his team of the University of Texas for undertaking such an important and marvellous project on Dharmashastra. It will be a great contribution in the field of Dharmashastra.  Sincere thanks in advance to all concerned who will extend their helping hand for successful completion of this grand project.
With warm regards,
Nabanarayan Bandyopadhyay
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School of Vedic Studies
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Damodara Dasa

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Jun 20, 2021, 2:18:45 AM6/20/21
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Hare Krishna.

Thankyou very much for this resource. I was direly in need of this,
and it came at the right time. My research services are much
benefitted by this.

Just for the ease of download access for list members here, I have
made direct download links to the current documents (searchable texts
only) available on the website as shared herein. Here is it. Download
should start when you click it.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ny7Y82T16VVIn1pRs2sZPa7Q50LZG0NJw2ISA48ycM/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14n-BqYQDcoVz967qoE-UTSKsKY_nivlajJAkpKvEEyI/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eIGu1ACLqDwZm29oGUwNjg3fhFfG6yB5MUmj8uXdBXs/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S4WQEMtJb9-_In_FtH_5mWzn749vUmPgX3oJD8s-6YA/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d1r_3UnotveeZBoLf3bhKVG215uisiJjHdH8hz7ym0s/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kn8oAXFeOXVPiG660vmrT3ltKamn5FbvEZ7vh7UjdfE/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11qPyu50Neikx_4_AtDfKnog8jmrEU_D643KB8_jl5DU/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XPSCZCFd42oEujTCebnx3kKVdmFh5sK_ctI84LRXsq4/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14uGnZRxAdw0ESrK8w9WUApL2MLCthg126dXOUALid_M/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1InpV9Eh1FFNcnTGReNjJ305nX-snhoBMJFJgR-hAO4g/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YnBwxkaUkrPTfNApRxVJFtAervV4IC5b82C264Q758c/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FviRxlBQ75omCWmOsmpPiZlnzlmt1QI3ac2GhDUq1Ik/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qFu58N3Bz1_96QBz2xnU0QslDCX-QnwpnClNymNAIO8/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HcyWmuwNHQ0PyYa6TEqY96Xcs8zSKoep8Ln1yMu89iA/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O13pFkOSOq-3c_GBD7v9gvdLPXCA9rBHH1JeyBsp87Y/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SyaTwJSs33_DbA3Du3_rKsvP_VVm8dHP-h_CZ71UPKo/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cbXW7dmA2FqB95sLvKcgmDDLkoo-fXQA0wsFMlrl7tE/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zd2Y78Sn4uH-07LuhS-t4kjd4epF7j8gj3cblQpeNuk/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KNOIyjXIRSNqWRYmkGXrnF6ac6n8w3awVeqWwpZqCxU/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1erdqGi42zjY45F9oxHFqF_i18-EmNVV3GjqZ23nc4nU/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pm1UjraMz8O4gkP3hmFv9-ltw1Kx2TvCOtkGGAlNa9o/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UTkpLRoHwyYLz8KBh86LaXKNkD_POY1Vgm7DVQK2Exg/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aQO6Qr41FwEKMqJoXsqlnT2oN1rxiYh_MG2A0965dDk/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O9Yq-mTpXx0rrmFQNELXMOw5HrFauoyQAcxaGa9dE-Q/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tISoqVRqJu2ourFaHKu_pQztP6aWSJdES1h0kAYs-Zo/export?format=doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wX8W72qHQNnOA3dMT32yiY922QfNJNCWWXePJRLMAtQ/export?format=doc

Megh Kalyanasundaram

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Jun 20, 2021, 2:44:26 AM6/20/21
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"During the pandemic, Patrick Olivelle has been hard at work transcribing several important texts..."
"Please join me in a public expression of thanks to Patrick for his typically tireless scholarly efforts to make these texts available."

For transcribing and making them accessible for review and useespecially if he has actually manually transcribed all of this (not that it would be any less commendable if Dr Olivelle had partal help from others in the process)I take this opportunity to thank Dr Olivelle for these specific actions: thank you.  

Thank you Patruri-ji, for sharing Dr Davis' email. 

Thank you Damodara-ji, for your effort to increase ease of download (which I am yet to do but have bookmarked). 

I also take this opportunity to thank volunteers at sites such as (but not limited to) https://sanskritdocuments.org/ (amongst others): 🙏

Best,
Megh

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रविदत्तशर्मा CUH Mahendragarh

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भूरिशः धन्यवादाः महोदयाः ।
मङ्गलकामनाः 🙏

विश्वासो वासुकेयः

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Jun 27, 2021, 4:06:57 AM6/27/21
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It is so wonderful that this scholar has published his effort openly and freely under CC BY-SA license. Another leukospheric scholar, McComas Taylor completed his versified translation of the Viṣṇupurāṇa and published it open access at https://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/n8264/pdf/book.pdf

It is something Indian scholars and universities should learn from. I have sought digitized searchable versions of smRti-nibandha-s for my studies and practice (I know they exist in private collections of some Indian scholars) - the best I managed to get was "talk to the hand" or "it will be published one day, be patient" or "use my app" type response. Even where it is published, there is no guarantee that it will stay on the net (like that infamous tirupati corpus from last decade). Some (otherwise venerable) organizations are so stupid as to use outdated fonts and computer setups just to thwart data copying! No idea what is accomplished by such poverty/ scarcity mindset - but this is clearly inferior to the open access approach. Barring exceptions it is striking that western scholars contribute such text editions far in excess of their numbers.


For my studies (and potentially others), I've saved devanAgarI versions at https://vishvasa.github.io/kalpAntaram/smRti-chandrikA/https://vishvasa.github.io/kalpAntaram/smRtiH/yAjJNavalkyaH/ and https://vishvasa.github.io/kalpAntaram/smRtiH/manuH/medhAtithiH/ . You can get the content in various other scripts and get to/ edit the source using the buttons shown in the pic https://i.imgur.com/ar0lQdv.png . Feel free to use, correct and copy.


विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)

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I am curious as to what might motivate western scholars to undertake such taxing efforts! What do they get out of it? It is not like their quotidian AchAra/ vyavahAra/ prAyashcitta is affected by what some old Indian savant thought (that being my motivation for dharmashAstra study). And I presume that western scholarship would've long exhausted it's curiosity about intricate details of early Indo-Aryan behavior prescriptions. Plus they would've long since gained more than enough arsenal to go at the backward patriarchal oppressive heathens. I can only suppose that they like parsing sanskrit just like some people like Sudoku - but I am not sure if there are other factors involved.

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On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 11:06:57 UTC+3 विश्वासो वासुकेयः wrote:
It is so wonderful that this scholar has published his effort openly and freely under CC BY-SA license. Another leukospheric scholar, McComas Taylor completed his versified translation of the Viṣṇupurāṇa and published it open access at https://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/n8264/pdf/book.pdf

It's a gift.  


It is something Indian scholars and universities should learn from. I have sought digitized searchable versions of smRti-nibandha-s for my studies and practice (I know they exist in private collections of some Indian scholars) - the best I managed to get was "talk to the hand" or "it will be published one day, be patient" or "use my app" type response.

And the day never comes.
 
Even where it is published, there is no guarantee that it will stay on the net (like that infamous tirupati corpus from last decade). Some (otherwise venerable) organizations are so stupid as to use outdated fonts and computer setups just to thwart data copying!

I never thought that the old fonts are used intentionally. Pune has a lot of anti-Unicode fonts just because they are used to them, that is what I was thinking before. Too much of the कूपमण्डूक approach in India, so sad to see it in the Universities. 
 

V Subrahmanian

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On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 8:56 PM Mārcis Gasūns <gas...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 11:06:57 UTC+3 विश्वासो वासुकेयः wrote:
It is so wonderful that this scholar has published his effort openly and freely under CC BY-SA license. Another leukospheric scholar, McComas Taylor completed his versified translation of the Viṣṇupurāṇa and published it open access at https://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/n8264/pdf/book.pdf

It's a gift.  

It is indeed a gift.  That it is searchable adds to its great utility and user-friendliness.  How I wish every text, whether translated or not, is mandatorily made searchable when digitized!!

warm regards
subrahmanian.v   


It is something Indian scholars and universities should learn from. I have sought digitized searchable versions of smRti-nibandha-s for my studies and practice (I know they exist in private collections of some Indian scholars) - the best I managed to get was "talk to the hand" or "it will be published one day, be patient" or "use my app" type response.

And the day never comes.
 
Even where it is published, there is no guarantee that it will stay on the net (like that infamous tirupati corpus from last decade). Some (otherwise venerable) organizations are so stupid as to use outdated fonts and computer setups just to thwart data copying!

I never thought that the old fonts are used intentionally. Pune has a lot of anti-Unicode fonts just because they are used to them, that is what I was thinking before. Too much of the कूपमण्डूक approach in India, so sad to see it in the Universities. 
 

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विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)

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On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 8:56 PM Mārcis Gasūns <gas...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 11:06:57 UTC+3 विश्वासो वासुकेयः wrote:
It is so wonderful that this scholar has published his effort openly and freely under CC BY-SA license. Another leukospheric scholar, McComas Taylor completed his versified translation of the Viṣṇupurāṇa and published it open access at https://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/n8264/pdf/book.pdf

It's a gift.  

To put things in perspective, I must hasten to add that this is (relatively speaking) but a small drawback on the part of the hindu scholars (for the most part they are not against hindu interests as the McComas Taylor types are - https://groups.google.com/g/meta-indology/c/5iUkoGSbBFk , and they don't turn the sacred myths of the Gods into sick porn ). Of course, that should not stop us from admiring and reflecting upon some of their fine qualities and deeds (- just as one might admire particular qualities of other lowly beings such as rAvaNa or some jihAdi ) .

 


It is something Indian scholars and universities should learn from. I have sought digitized searchable versions of smRti-nibandha-s for my studies and practice (I know they exist in private collections of some Indian scholars) - the best I managed to get was "talk to the hand" or "it will be published one day, be patient" or "use my app" type response.

And the day never comes.
 
Even where it is published, there is no guarantee that it will stay on the net (like that infamous tirupati corpus from last decade). Some (otherwise venerable) organizations are so stupid as to use outdated fonts and computer setups just to thwart data copying!

I never thought that the old fonts are used intentionally. Pune has a lot of anti-Unicode fonts just because they are used to them, that is what I was thinking before. Too much of the कूपमण्डूक approach in India, so sad to see it in the Universities. 
 

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सद्भ्यो नमः।

स्वाधीत्यै मनुस्मृतेः मूलेन साकं मेधातिथिभाष्यं, तयोर् गङ्गानाथोपाध्यायकृतानुवादं, गङ्गानाथोपाध्यायटिप्पनीः, बुह्लरार्यकृतानुवादं च संयोजितं किञ्चित्। यथाऽत्र - https://vishvasa.github.io/kalpAntaram/smRtiH/manuH/12/ । युष्माकम् अपि कदाचिद् उपयोगाय स्यात्। मनुः पिता सभृगुकुलः प्रीयताम्।

Nagaraj Paturi

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Was just shared:

Dear Friends,

 

I’m pleased to announce the addition of the Vyavahārakāṇḍa of the Kṛtyakalpataru by Lakṣmīdhara to the Resource Library for Dharmaśāstra Studies. The transcription was completed by Patrick Olivelle and is based on the edition of K.V. Rangaswami Aiyangar published in Gaekwad’s Oriental Series. 

 

Best, Don

 

Don Davis

Professor & Chair

Dept. of Asian Studies

Ajit Gargeshwari

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Dear Prof Paturi,

This is the type of subject wise database  that's needed  This is an answer  to Prof Kannan suggestion made on another thread.
this database is easy to create and one can use resources of zotero. Input can be done by a community of scholars. Scholars themselves can input data from their domain of expertise. It can be managed by an administrator to ensure uniformity This process will be simple straight forward, easy to use and will  benefit all.  Selfless work  and ten minutes devotion by scholars everyday or periodically is what is needed. One can start systematically documenting books available at archives.org initially and then expand
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Ajit Gargeshwari

Nagaraj Paturi

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Yes, Sri Ajit-ji. 

Let us plan a good project on such lines. 



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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director, Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
BoS Rashtram School of Public Leadership
Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, 
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education, 
Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
 
 
 

Ajit Gargeshwari

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This group has several members well versed in database and database management. They can suggest an interface that can be hosted on an Indian server as a contribution towards  'Make in india'. One can look into zotero and create a similar interface. a well funded private organisation can host  and maintain such a database  on a perpetual basis. If one wants to be comprehensive to include a million book and and millions of articles a well funded and well thought out plan is needed else one will end up something like this which will not be so useful

One can also see the excellent interface of created for New Catalogus Catalogorum

I suggest having all bibliographies online. Some examples are given below. The list is not exhaustive

Catalogue of Manuscripts on performing arts Music dance Drama Kaushalya Gupta
Catalogue of Native Publications in Bombay Presidency Upto 31 December 1864 Grant Bart A.
Catalogue of Books Related Oriental Languages & Literature Bernard Quaritch
Contribution To A Bibliography of India Art & Aesthetics Hari Das Mitra
Current Bibliography of the History of Science and Its Cultural Influences John Neu 1992
Current Bibliography of the History of Science and Its Cultural Influences John Neu 2007
Epic And Puranic Bibliography Vol 3 Part 1 (Up To 1985)
Epic And Puranic Bibliography Vol 3 Part 2 (Up To 1985)
Epic And Puranic Bibliographyup To 1985 Volume 3 Part 1 Ed Heinrich von Stietencron et al
Epic And Puranic Bibliographyup To 1985 Volume 3 Part 2 Ed Heinrich von Stietencron et al
Hinduism A Select Bibliography Patrick S. O’Donnell
Indian Biographical Dictionary Hayvadana Rao C. 1915
Inventory of Sanskrit Scholars Radha Vallabh Tripathi Rashtriya Sanskrit Sanstha 2012
List of Vedic Texts and Translations into English, German, and French
List of Sanskrit Journals Gandivam 981 Sampurnanand Sanskrit University
Mahabharata Krishna Katha & Bhagavata An International Literature Survey Gauri Shankar Singh 
National Bibliography of Indian Literature (1901-1953) Vol. 3 (Panjabi) - Dr. Ganda Singh
Oriental And Asian Bibliography Pearson J.D.
Progress of Indic Studies 1917-1942 Dandekar R.N. (BORI Silver Jubilee)
Purna Sarasvati
Rastriya Sanskrit University Tirupati SVOU Sanskrit Thesis Submitted 
Religion and Philosophies India Naqvi G A ( Bibliography)
Sanskrit Periodicals _ Newspapers and Magazines
Tantric Bibliography Rastogi
Tantrik Sahitya Descriptive Catalogue Gopinath Kaviraj
Valley of Kashmir A Select Bibliography Muzaffar Ahmad Choudhry
Vedic Bibliography Dandekar R.N. Vol 1
Vedic Bibliography Dandekar R.N. Vol 2
Vedic Bibliography Dandekar R.N. Vol 3
Vedic Bibliography Dandekar R.N. Vol 4
Vedic Bibliography Dandekar R.N. Vol 5
Who's Who Of Indian Writers Babu Rao S. Sahitya Akademi 1983
Yoga An Annotated Bibliography of Works in English 1981-2005 Daren Callahan
A Bibliography of Sanskrit Works in Life Sciences Sundara Rajan S.
An Annotated Bibliography of Alankara Shastra Timothy Cohil C. Brill
Bhagavad Gita Bibliography Surya Kumari Dwarakada Sundaram C.S. Volume 1 KSRI
Bhagavad Gita Bibliography Surya Kumari Dwarakada Sundaram C.S. Volume 2 KSRI
Bibliographical Survey of Advaita Vedanta Thanga swami R. University of Madras
Bibliography of Karnataka Studies Venkatachala Shastry T.V. Leela Subramaniam C. R. Vol 1 University of Mysore
Bibliography of Karnataka Studies Venkatachala Shastry T.V. Leela Subramaniam C. R. Vol 2 University of Mysore
Classified Bibliography on Articles in India Linguistics Acharya K.P.
Sarma K.V. Bibliography Sree Sarada Education Society
Bibliography CASS
A Bibliography of Modern Sanskrit Writings Radha Vallabh Tripathi Rastriya Sanskrit Sansthan 2012
Catalogue of 20 Century Sanskrit Works Abhiraja Rajendra Mishra
Bibliography Nyaya Vaisesika by Kashi Nath Jha Arun Ranjan Mishra CASS University of Poona
Bibliography of Acintya Bhedabheda Nirmala Kamat G.CASS University of Poona
Bibliography of Advaita Vedanta Shailaja Bapat CASS University of Poona
Bibliography of Aupadhika Bhedabheda Nirmala Kamat G.CASS University of Poona
Bibliography of Pali and Buddhism Subas Chandra Dash CASS University of Poona
Critical Inventory of Ramayana Studies in The World Krishnamoorthy K. Satkari Mukhopadhyaya Volume 1 Sahitya Akademi
Critical Inventory of Ramayana Studies in The World Krishnamoorthy K. Jithendranath S. Volume 2 Sahitya Akademi
Census of the Exact Sciences in Sanskrit Volume 1 to 5 David Pingree 

One can also look into

TULIP The universal Lists on Indian Periodical by Murari Lal Nagr et all
One can consolidate all entries from Praci Jyoti Journal Published by Kurukshetra University


Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
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K S Kannan

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Sep 29, 2021, 3:23:43 PM9/29/21
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Great plans, high hopes.
Making all this available to the scholarly world here has been a persistent dream for me.
Young researchers can get some excellent resources and models for research here.

(Addressing the problem more generally, Indian academics has accomplished far less than it easily could,
owing, among varied reasons, largely to the reservation policy even at higher levels. And its genesis? :
regular and continuous Christian/Communist exaggeration and propaganda for over two centuries
has besmirched the entire Hindu tradition of millennia. (We can also see how easily, contrastingly,
the Romans/Greeks would stand exonerated by these two cliques, for their horrendous sins
of slavery and genocide - nothing comparable to which was ever practised in India).

Nothing could be more unfair, after all, than assessments of the past using criteria fashioned after
present-day trends and patterns, and norms and parameters, which can only spell grave injustice
(to any civilisation for that matter). This matter had to be raised here as the erstwhile ruling party
threw academics to the dogs by exposing it to all perils of corruption, degeneration, and exploitation
- and to recover from which is a veritable uphill task.)

Going by the commendable standard of Indian/Indological scholars in the 40's and 50's (and even 60's)
of the last century, India would by now have been a country of extraordinary high academic output
(in quality as well as quantity). That our own rulers of the past seven decades dealt a deathblow
to traditional education is an unforgettable and unforgivable fact. Anyway, it is this that has
lowered the standards in our academics all around, and lifting it out of the present mire is
quite a Herculean task indeed.)

The need of the hour, anyway, is good academic models - whether from the East or the West
(but sans, needless to say, of the prejudices of the White Supremacists (born racists as they after all are),
and the ever incorrigible, irresponsible, and intolerant Leftists - masters par excellence all, of
Doublespeak unadulterated).

Our creed ever was, be it emphasised:
prajñā vivekam labhate bhinnair āgama-darśanaiḥ |

The apt caution provided by Prof. Paturi must indeed be borne in the mind - viz.
the numerous texts produced in our own traditions (differing on smaller or bigger counts
from texts previously produced, nevertheless building upon them), unmistakably and unquestionably constitute 
high quality research - Research Indian Brand : our own millennia-old heritage has borne out
steady and stupendous vitality and interdisciplinarity (much more than do the current patterns of
research envisaged in the West, no more than but a few centuries old, after all as they are).

The West (and especially its Indological unit) would indeed stand to benefit both itself and true research,
by shedding its limitless belligerence and bias - also in view of the fact that India is now
a rising economic and military power. Apart from these vaiśya and kṣātra factors,
the brāhma factor (the knowledge sector) too is all set now to forge ahead even if at its own pace.
The current power crisis and labour crisis looming large in China and elsewhere (including Europe),
also point to the steady forging of the formidable and valuable śaudra factor too in our country.
The four forces ever in cooperation and coordination produced a majestic civilisation in the past,
and there is no reason why they cannot or would not today.

(I may please be excused for my prolixity involving but an apparent excursus: I had to account, ineluctably,
for the present-day academic degeneration, its prognosis and diagnosis, and aimed at a hopeful/sensible solution).

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Member, Academic Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthana.
Senior Fellow, ICSSR, New Delhi.
Academic Director, Swadeshi Indology.
Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.

Former Professor, CAHC, Jain University, Bangalore.

Former Director, Karnataka Samskrit University, Bangalore.

Former Head, Dept. of Sanskrit, The National Colleges, Bangalore.

Ajit Gargeshwari

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I just said an aspiration which may or may not be achieved for any bibliographic project but is possible if the entire community of scholars  who are both within and outside the list can participate and are encouraged to do so. Collaboration than refutation will help
Indian academics is not what you say true  in all areas and is not related to funding. If one is funded not even enough to cover salaries what research can be done.. This is not my remark, great scholars do say the same. To get more funding one needs to have quality researchers and quality researchers will work if there is money and independence. In humanities one is threatened and removed for views held then how fearless and independent research can be conducted.  any way i end

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Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

K S Kannan

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I agree with what Ajit-ji says.
Much can be achieved by a collaborative approach.

Caution should be exercised, though, where things do not come without strings.
Ajit-ji rightly notes how humanities is rife with strife and groupism of all sorts.

(Apparently, the realms of science and technology are not (as yet) as vitiated
as humanities and social sciences are, by intolerant cliques and coteries.
Already, Lancet, a premier medical journal, is betraying all marks of the malices
of the Leftist mafia, and thus presenting distortions, capitulating to the political agenda/pressure thereof).

The list provided by Ajit-ji is extremely useful.

An important milestone will be achieved when these two things happen in our country:
(a) (info:) Annual Bibliographies of Indological Research are made regularly and routinely available; and
(b) (access:) the counterpart of Jstor for Indian Indological journals, past and present, is well established;
[and of course (c) the two are made easily available and are properly and fully utilised].

Ajit Gargeshwari

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Views held by researchers have the needed depth and the common man holds certain views but so called researchers who are primarily trained as doctors, engineers, financial experts businessmen have become  scholars on the web and outside.... get materials published (Many not reviewed by experts but by a single editor and funded by organisations having their own agenda who influence editors) and make themselves too visible too often by media and list postings, Concentrating too much on their agendas is the cause for many unwanted discussions. Many pretend they are learners or seekers but often they are not. Though nothing is perfect there are great scholars and a good amount of high quality research are being conducted and will be conducted. The future is bright and there is immense hope.
Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

Nagaraj Paturi

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Dear Sri Ajit-ji,

I don't know why this whole 'primarily trained as doctors, engineers, financial experts' is being brought here. What was the trigger for this in the thread for this? 

If you are responding to Prof. Kannan's post, there was no context in that post for this. He was talking about a totally different issue. The issue is whether the process behind novel ideas expressed in ancient Indian, particularly Sanskrit texts can be viewed as research or not. 

In fact, this understanding helps scholars trained in Veda and shaastra gurukulas not to get intimidated by the so called Research Methodology as something that only modern education can give them , to realize that they inherit a training that already includes research skills or in other words what is behind their pratibhaa in their shaastric thinking is research itself. 

That they inherit the tradition of Badarayana, Gaudapada, Shankara, Madhva, Ramanuja, Vallabha, Nimbarka etc. in Vedanta, Jaimini, Sabara, Kumarila, Prabhakara etc. in Meemaamsaa , Gautama, Udayana, Gadadhara etc. in Nyaya, Bharata, Bhamaha, Bhattanayaka, Abhinavagupta, Rajasekhara etc. in Alankara , many many more such path breakers in these and other shaastras, gives them the confidence that they don't need any separate training in the so called Research Methodology unless they are interested in doing a study from a modern university approach. 

       




Ajit Gargeshwari

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I just mentioned as Indian academia was drawn in  and there is a lot of discussion here on BVP in  various threads on websites and  postings done by other scholars on several threads in the name of discussion or giving information or why should such a view on another mailing list on another website not be discussed . Anyway anything and everything can be discussed but many time views gets confused between personal views and view expressed by the same person in another role

 I am in total agreement with "In fact, this understanding helps scholars trained in Veda and shaastra gurukulas not to get intimidated by the so called Research Methodology as something that only modern education can give them , to realize that they inherit a training that already includes research skills or in other words what is behind their pratibhaa in their shaastric thinking is research itself. 
That they inherit the tradition of Badarayana, Gaudapada, Shankara, Madhva, Ramanuja, Vallabha, Nimbarka etc. in Vedanta, Jaimini, Sabara, Kumarila, Prabhakara etc. in Meemaamsaa , Gautama, Udayana, Gadadhara etc. in Nyaya, Bharata, Bhamaha, Bhattanayaka, Abhinavagupta, Rajasekhara etc. in Alankara , many many more such path breakers in these and other shaastras, gives them the confidence that they don't need any separate training in the so called Research Methodology unless they are interested in doing a study from a modern university approach. 
Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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