Help with Kannada Bajan

[Harry Spier]

Dear list members,

I've attached what I've been told is a Kannada Bajan and its english translation on page 2.

I don't know Kannada so I don't know how accurate the translation is.

But the translation refers to:

In verse 2

My three dearest friends.

My six enemies.

In verse 3:

the eight troublemakers.

the seven guards.

In Verse 4:

the nine doors

Could someone explain what these are referring to, in particular "the eight troublemakers" referred to in verse 3.

Many thanks,

Harry Spier

[Narayan Prasad]

Dear Harry,

         The attached file text is typed in non-unicode compliant Devanagari font. There are many typing mistakes. 

I transliterated it by typing separately in unicode Kannada script.

ಹ್ಯಾಂಗ ಮರೆಯಲಿ

ಹ್ಯಾಂಗ ಮರೆಯಲಿ ಗುರುವಿನ, ಹ್ಯಾಂಗ ಮರೆಯಲಿ.
ಹ್ಯಾಂಗ ನಾನು ಮರೆಯಲವನ ಶರೀರದಾಶೆಯ ಬಿಡಿಸಿದವನ.
ಪರಿಪರಿಯಿಂದ ತಿಳಿಸಿ ಏನ್ನೋಳು, ಪರಬ್ರಹ್ಮನ ತೋರಿಸಿದವನ.

I traced it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9Ek3fp8hs88

You could listen to it on youtube on the above link.

Hope, this helps.

Narayan Prasad

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Thanks Harry ji for sharing this Yoga folk song. 

These spiritual yoga folk songs are usually mystic songs. 

The mystic expressions that you mentioned are the signature feature of these songs. 

These songs are called Tatvam songs Tatvaalu in Telugu, Tatvapadagalu in Kannada. 

These songs and their spread among the most 'undeucated' people, of all genders, all classes and all castes in the nooks and corners of Indian villages and forests is a testimony of the spread of deep spiritual knowledge so deep into the Bhaarateeya masses. 

Some of the expressions mentioned by you are common knowledge very quickly easily identifiable for most Indians. 

Six enemies for ari shadvarga kaama = lust krodha = anger  mada = arrogance moha = blinding attraction for things , or mind numbingly getting charmed by things,   

 lobha = greed  maatsarya = envy, jealousy 

nine doors = nava randhras , three pairs of holes eyes, ears and nostrils and mouth, anus and the genital openings

are common knowledge. 

But 

three dearest friends

the eight troublemakers

the seven guards.

 are not such common knowledge

it may be guessed that three dearest friends could be three gunas satva rajas and tamas 

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In the video shared by Narayana Prasad ji has the following explanations for 

the eight troublemakers =ashta madas , eight vanities

the seven guards, translated as seven local chieftains = seven addictions

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

I just noticed that the video explains 

the three friends as hennu, hannu, mannu the kannada words meaning, woman, fruit, and dust respectively, as mystic expressions , these , in the video are interpreted as woman, wealth and land respectively. 

[R. N. iyengar]

The eight Madas are explained by Purandara Dasa

anna mada artha mada akhila vaibhavada mada
munna praayada madavu roopa madavu
tanna sattvada mada dhaatri vashada mada
innu tanage edurillaventemba madadinda   

(Ref: https://translationsofsomesongsofcarnticmusic.blogspot.com/2011/04/binnahake-baayillavayya.html)

[Harry Spier]

Thank you R. N. Iyengar. 

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[Harry Spier]

What does Dasa mean in names such as Purandara Dasa?  Is it a religious title ?

Harry Spier

On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 8:19 PM R. N. iyengar <narayana...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Raghuram Rp]

dasa literally means servant 

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naaham kartaa hariH kartaa

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Harry ji, with your long and strong background in studying Hinduism, I am sure you know that you have Sur Das, Kabir Das, Ravi Das, Tulasi Das etc., in north India too. 

Daasa Bhakti is the word used for a kind of Bhakti along with the other kinds Madhura Bhakti, Sakhya Bhakti, Vaatsalya Bhakti. 

For Daasa Bhakti , Hanuman is shown as a model to be emulated. 

In many Vaishnava traditions Daasa is used as a synonym for Bhakta. 

Daasatva is used as a synonym for Bhakti. 

Names ending in Daasa are given as  deekshaa naamas to the Vaishnava Saadhakas during initiation. 

Srinivasa Nayaka was the original name of Purandara Daasa. 

Purandara Daasa is his deekshaa naama of Maadhva Vaishnava tradition. 

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[Harry Spier]

Thank you Nagaraj,

Sometimes it's easy to overlook the most obvious things until they are pointed.

I.e. as you've just pointed out.  The northern religious name "das" = the southern religious name "dasa".

Harry Spier

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