What's pot calling kettle black in sanskrit?

[V Subrahmanian]

Namaste

Is there an equivalent in Sanskrit for this popular saying: 

//the pot calling kettle black// ?

I checked the internet but couldn't find the exact equivalent.

Thanks and regards

subrahmanian.v

[Kushagra]

I seem to remember a verse stating that one perceives one’s own fault as a speck of dust and the faults of others as the Meru mountain. However, I don’t recall the exact verse. 

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Not exactly "the pot calling kettle black" type analogy involved.  But carries the sense :

परवाच्येषु निपुणः सर्वो भवति सर्वदा l 

आत्मवाच्यं न जानीते जाननपि मुह्यति ll 

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[K S Kannan]

नरस्सर्षपमात्राणि परच्छिद्राणि पश्यति ।

आत्मनो बिल्वमात्राणि पश्यन्नपि न पश्यति ॥

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

This comes very close involving analogy too.

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[K S Kannan]

Thank you for your kind words.

And in your verse, is the last pAda

jAnann api vimuhyati?

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[K S Kannan]

Or even

jAnAno'pi vimuhyati?

Else, would it not lack one syllable ?

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Should be,  metrically and grammatically. 

Copied from a source. Should have corrected before pasting here.

Thanks for alerting.

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[Roland Steiner]

> is the last pAda *jAnann api vimuhyati?*

Mahābhārata 8.30.87:

paravācyeṣu nipuṇaḥ sarvo bhavati sarvadā
ātmavācyaṃ na jānīte jānann api vimuhyati

Best,
RS

[V Subrahmanian]

Many thanks to all the scholars who kindly responded by giving very nice verses.

warm regards

subrahmanian.v

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[Prabhu]

namaH sarvebhyo.

Just an observation, while we are on the topic of meter...

 

It seems this shloka 

paravācyeṣu nipuṇaḥ sarvo bhavati sarvadā
ātmavācyaṃ na jānīte jānann api vimuhyati

reads a bit slightly off the standard shloka meter in the first pAda's in the 6th, 7th places.

Couldn't it have been more conforming like this...

nipuṇaḥ paravācyeṣu sarvo bhavati sarvadā

ātmavācyaṃ na jānīte jānann api vimuhyati

Regards

Prabhu

[Roland Steiner]

> paravācyeṣu nipuṇaḥ sarvo bhavati sarvadā
> ātmavācyaṃ na jānīte jānann api vimuhyati

This is a completely regular Anuṣṭubh, but not in the "normal form" (pathyā), but in a form called vipulā ("extension"). More precisely it is a na-vipulā, in which the syllables 5-7 are all short (= na-gaṇa), whereas the 4th syllable then has to be long.

Best,
Roland Steiner

[Madhav Deshpande]

Here is a related verse that can remove some issues from debates/disputes:

यश्चोभयो: समो दोष: परिहारोऽपि वा सम: ।

नैक: पर्यनुयोक्तव्यस्तादृगर्थविचारणे ।।

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

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[K S Kannan]

The pATha I have heard has

yatrobhayossamo doShaH

parIhAras tathaiva ca

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[Venkatakrishna Sastry]

Namaste

 

A poem to express the subject line idea:

 

कृष्णस्त्वं  कृष्णतरस्त्वं , नाहं नाहमिति वदताम् ।       

काकपिकदुर्विवादं ,बुधाःत्यजन्ति दूरेण ।

 

kRuShNastvaM  kRuShNatarastvaM  

nAhaM nAhamiti vadatAm |       

kAkapikadurvivAdaM

budhAHtyajanti dUreNa |

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

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[Madhav Deshpande]

Echoing BVK Sastry Ji's verse:

काक: कृष्ण: पिक: कृष्ण एतयो: कृष्णता समा ।

तथापि विवदेते तौ क: कृष्णतर आवयो: ।।

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

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[Venkatakrishna Sastry]

Namaste

 

1. Thanks for the edit. Your beautiful edit has placed the stress on continuity of dispute.

 

2. My idea was to stress on the relative superiority claim and how wise people keep out of such debate.

 

Different poetic expressions bring in different aesthetic feeling.

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

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[V Subrahmanian]

स्वपक्षदोषाच्च ॥ १० ॥   2.1.10 

स्वपक्षदोषाच्च ॥ २९ ॥   2.1.29

In these two Brahma sutras, the topic is: One or more defects / inadequacies are there in both the parties: Vedantin and the Sankhya.  They can't be done away with and have to be put up with.  In one case, parihara by the Vedantin is made in some other way.  

This can be seen as a case of 'the pot calling the kettle black'.  

regards

subrahmanian.v   

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[Kushagra]

Subrahmanian Ji, 

This is an excellent observation: a very succinct expression for the problem.

Kushagra 

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[K S Kannan]

sva-pakSha-doSha is one thing.

pakSha-pAta is another, rather dangerous, demerit:

पक्षपातो हि गुण-दोषौ विपर्यासयति !

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

In Telugu, there is a proverb mentioning a seed that is called gurivinda in Telugu. 

The proverb goes as :  The gurivinda seed does not know the black at it its bottom (literally, below its anus)

here, we have a big list of alternate names:

• GUNJA LAL SEEDS - CHIRMATI RED BEEJ - LAL RATTI - ABRUS PRECATORIUS
• Other Names: Kundumani, Gulugunji, Ratti, Chirmi Beads, jequirity bean, rosary pea, or crab-eye seed, Batrah hindi, Qulqul, Shashm, Liluwani, Raturmani, Chun hali, Gunj (Goontch), Gunja, Gunjika, Gurgonje, Kunch, Kuncha, Chanothi, Gunja, Ratti, Gunchi,Ganji, Gulganju, Gulugani, Gulugunji, Gungi, Madhuka, Kenderi, Piling-piling, Pokok saga, Pokok tasbih, Saga, Taning bajang, Kunni, Chanoti, Gunja, Goonteh, Gunehi, Madhuyashti, Rati, Runji, Lagrigunchi, Ratak, Gunjaa, Madhuyashtika, Raktika, Rati, Gundumani, Kunyi, Kunyimni, Kundu manni, Kuntumani, Gunja, Guriginja, Guruginia, Guruvenda, Raktika, Khakshi, Qirat, Surkh, Ganchi, Guncai, Gunch, Gunche, Kunch, Masha, Patahika  
  

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[Venkatakrishna Sastry]

Namaste

 

As   'pika' became a  disputed bird,  here is one more composiiton from me , using a 'native bird'; of course drawing from a story in panchatantra.

 

Inspirational source is  Prof.Deshpande ji, Jagannatha, R.Ganesh   and other friends. The exercise of  composing poetry  is certainly stimulating and helps to recall Samskruth vocabulary .  

 

In this composition  the focus is not on the 'color'; the focus is on ' disability  to see from a given perspective; switch to another perspective' . and a 'debated theme'. The ' dark complexion ( krushnataa) ' is brought in as 'day-night vision capability.

Any overtones that may link this to vedanta debates is totally unintentional and unproductive in enjoying the powetry. '

 

काकोलूकाःप्रजल्पन्ति  अस्ति नास्ति गभस्तिमान्     

परस्परं गर्हयन्ति  त्वमन्धस्त्वं न पश्यसि

 

kAkolUkaAH prajalpanti  , asti nAsti gaBastimAn     

parasparaM garhayanti  tvamandhastvaM na paSyasi

 

The crows and owls herald: Sun is real, Sun is not real', by taking opposing views.

Each blame and howl at other : ' you are blind, you can't/ dont see' !

 

 

Regards

 

BVK Sastry

 

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[Madhav Deshpande]

Dear BVK Sastry Ji,

     This is a very nice verse.  Here is my description of an imagined debate between काक and कोकिल societies.

वायसा यत्र गर्जन्ति कोकिला मौनमाश्रिता: ।

वायसानां समाजेषु शृणुयात् को हि कोकिलम् ।।

"Where the crows are roaring, the cuckoos resort to silence. In the crowds of crows, who is going to listen to a cuckoo?"

With best wishes,

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

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[Sundareswaran N.K]

मणीकृताश्मसु मणेरश्मत्वमेवोचितम्।

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