uppercase subscript input with Unicode

[Lalita Kavi-Bharati]

Dear Scholar and Professors 

sharing a page, which has the uppercase subscript text as well as some micros. Anyone can guide us, on how we can input the uppercase subscript text from this page. 

we don't need this text in MS Word, it may be Notepad or any other text editor. 

sharing the page for your kind view. 

with regards, 

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[Harry Spier]

In microsoft word if you select the text you want to make into a subscript then press the cntrl key with the equal sign   I.e. ctrl+=   will make the selected text into a subscript.

Harry Spier

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[Lalita Kavi-Bharati]

thanks for your reply, But we don't need it in Microsoft, we need this in Notepad or any other text Editor. 

thank you, sir for your reply. 

We are Inputting the Sanskrit Text with the help of IAST in Notepad. But, presently we are facing problems to Input uppercase subscript letter like this attachment. 

with regards, 

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[Harry Spier]

Libreoffice which is free also has a way to do subscripts.

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[Lalita Kavi-Bharati]

thanks for your suggestion.. I have downloaded it and will use it tomorrow with this page. replying to you very soon sir. 

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[Harry Spier]

The subscript command is to select your text and then type ctlrl+shift+B

Harry Spier

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[Lalita Kavi-Bharati]

Sir, 

I tried it, and it's working fine. But this software is complicated for sample inputting, we have been using Notepad since 2005 and want to continue with Notepad. 

Can the super or sub script be made in Notepad or another Input Editor like Notepad?

thanks for your time. 

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[Harry Spier]

As far as I can see windows notepad only produces unformatted text files. So you can't do anything with the text except other than change the font.

Harry Spier

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[Amarnath S]

Namaste to all,

   I have a similar problem. Would like to view Indian languages - Devanagari, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu, etc. (also Roman with diacritical marks), with subscripts and superscripts in a simple editor like Notepad or Notepad++. 

MS Word and LibreOffice use special/proprietary encodings, whereas what is viewed in Notepad or Notepad++ (or code editors like VS Code), essentially Unicode characters (from what I know double-byte characters, not ASCII). Even such characters displayed in simple HTML pages, seem to be similar. 

Need to save this as a .txt file (or whatever is needed for Unicode, not .docx) and then read it from another program. Would like to know from members of this esteemed group whether such a thing is possible, feasible.

Thanks and regards

- amar

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[Dhaval Patel]

Dear friends,

From what I can understand, the tools which you all are searching for are tools which can allow you to save and edit the text without proprietary softwares.

I think there are two alternatives

1. Markdown - 

https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax

2. Latex -

https://www.latex-project.org/get/

Both let you save files and edit them. If you are using a version control tool like git, it would be very nice. If I edit a line in markdown or latex, the git will show differences properly highlighted between previous versions and present one. This is not possible if the files are stored as .docx (MS word) or .odt (libreoffice). Version control system will only tell that binary files are different.

If it is required for just editing prose, markdown is preferred. Latex will be an overkill.

If you need to compose pages with proper typesetting controls and insertion of figures, tables, page numbers, line numbers etc.; latex will be preferable.

There are many freely available softwares which allow rendering of markdown to HTML or PDF. Similarly, latex can also be rendered in PDF and is meant to be rendered such. 

Markdown has very low learning curve. Latex has a very steep learning cuve. 

[Lalita Kavi-Bharati]

Thanks for your concern.. I am attaching the page, which needs to be Input.. Sometimes we get the same words in superscript. 

I have downloaded the Latex, but can't input this text. 

please find the attachment. 

thanks

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[Dhaval Patel]

The following is a sample .md file based on your data and a few scientific notations like H2O and E=mc^2.

It seems to render well in HTML and PDF with 'pandoc' command line tool.

CLI command is `pandoc -f gfm test.md -o test.html`

and `pandoc -f gfm test.md -o test.pdf`.

There was some issue with ṁ. Latex seems to support only ṃ. I think this much change would be acceptable.

Kindly check whether it satisfies your needs or not.

Right aligning is beyond the scope as it stands now. May require a lot more tweaking. The text will start looking like a Latex file.

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[BVK Sastry (G-S-Pop)]

Namaste

 

I am following this tech-language- discussion keenly. I have a question , which please clarify .

 

1. Does any Brahmi Language Family script ( in current period or earlier manuscript phases) seek the need for a ‘ Superscript notation/ Subscript notation’ – even in most advanced astronomy- math related detailing ?

Or ‘Vastu – texts’to convey its intention ?

 Simple logic:  Devanagari Writing system is not same as English writing system.

 

My limited understanding : Subscript/ Super script visual notation marking ( of character or numeric) is a writing convention and formatting  mainly used  in ‘European Text Writing system, using Latin alphabets’- to convey a ‘Communication Change from a Formatting Visual Display change’.  Multilingual texts from Rosetta stone, Earlier models of Formatted Bible Print-Books using lithography / handwriting made this a scholarly practice. The notation provides certain convenience of footnotes/ indexing and he like.  

 

In Brahmi language family writing system, there seems to have been be no reckoning for such a writing system. Not even in VAIDIKA -SWARA- ANKANA / Chandas Prastara as in Vedas /  Not the musical notation markers where numerals are used to indicate a pointer to voice modulation by time and pitch.

Sri Satvalekar ( one book I have seen as a good reference has some notes on why the sub/super script model was adopted in typography for Vedic text ‘printing’ (?).  The adoption of the system has its advantages and also limitations. More so when it is ported to ‘Digital Page’ – Content – Hyper linking with different editors for Creation ; and  Viewing the same in different viewers , apps and platforms. The digital tech-distortion of ‘ Viewed Text’ is much more dangerous than a mutilated manuscript, transcribed wrongly.  There is a serious need to connect the VOICE TRADITON- RULE BOOK- PRINT AND DIGITAL DISPLAY documents

 

 

Looking for help from those involved in this area of work pl.

 

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

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[Amarnath S]

Namaste to all,

 

    Yes sir, subscripts / superscripts are used in Tamil, to denote the extra alphabets present in Devanagari and other languages. For example, please visit this page 

https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_giitaa/bhagvadnew.html

and on the right top, select Tamil, where ख (Kannada ಖ) is shown as க-with-subscript-2, and so on. This is one of the uses of subscript / superscript which i need.

Hope this clarifies.

Thanks and Regards

- amar

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Dhaval Patel ji,

Is there a video  tutorial on 

1. Markdown - 

https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax

2. Latex -

https://www.latex-project.org/get/

?

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Dean, IndicA

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra

BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.

Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education, 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

 

 

[Dhaval Patel]

Regarding Markdown 

https://youtu.be/uUwT0yYglX0?si=6wk0_1s5h7GU6GDB

Regarding Latex

https://youtu.be/KSDcEgfbldU?si=yrCoHCdaVCWC_zvv

I just searched on Youtube and do not know if they are good. You may explore. 

Dr. Dhaval Patel
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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Thanks, this is helpful. 

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[kenp]

Try this keyboard

https://keyman.com/keyboards/itrans_roman

https://help.keyman.com/keyboard/itrans_roman/1.2.0/itrans_roman

[Lalita Kavi-Bharati]

Dear Sir, 

I am sorry for this late reply. I tried these with CMD command, but it is very lengthy for our Input operators. presently we are using the Keyman software to Input the diacritical marks with Andika font. We are using Notepad and some (Alt+Numbers) commands.

We have only a problem with the Uppercase Subscript text in the Notepad. 

thanks and regards, 

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[Lalita Kavi-Bharati]

thank you so much for this link. We got many characters in the second one. 

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[Dhaval Patel]

As far as I am aware, the command line tool will not be required by input operators. It will be run at the end of work and generate the output. If the typists type as per specification, the rendering will be as per specification

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[kenp]

Try this tool to replace text.

FoxReplace by Marc

Lets you replace text in web pages. You can define a substitution list and apply it automatically or at your own discretion, or make individual substitutions. You can use this as a filter, or just for fun :)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxreplace/