IKS webinar on "Critical examination: Dating of Ramayana and Mahabharata"

[sanjeev panchal]

Namaste 

Greetings from Indian Knowledge System.. !!!

We are conducting a webinar on  "Critical examination: Dating of Ramayana and Mahabharata"

Main Speaker:  Sh. Nilesh Nilakanth oak Adjunct Professor, Institute of Advanced Sciences, Dartmouth MA USA.

Chief Guest: Sh. Navneet Soni  Principal Commissioner of Income Tax, Bhopal.

Date: Wednesday, 19th May 2021

Time: 5:00PM (IST) Onwards.

Youtube Channel: Media AICTE

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Regards,

Dr. Sanjeev Panchal

Assistant Coordinator,

Indian Knowledge System, AICTE

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Tel No: 011 29581523, Ph No: 8500016844

Email:  co...@aicte-india.org   Website: https://iksindia.org/

[Raja Roy]

Namaste Dr. Sanjeev Panchal,

When you get time, please go through my refutation of Mr. Oak's dating of the Ramayana. Here is the link:

Refutation of Nilesh Oak’s Astronomical Dating of Ramayana to 12209 BCE | by Dr. Raja Ram Mohan Roy | Apr, 2021 | Medium

Regards,

Raja

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[Ramesh Rao]

It is interesting that an income tax commissioner is the chief guest at this talk. Taxing our credulity about this flawed foray into India's past beyond the last glacial phase? Is this what happens when higher education projects are parceled out by the Ministry of Human Resource Development?

By the way, is there an Indian knowledge "system" or are there systems? The website -- https://iksindia.org/ -- is amateurish, offering the visitor no clue about who are the people and institutions behind it, supporting it, or shepherding the project/institution. 

And, as if to contradict themselves, they list "systems".

A haphazard use of lower case and upper case letters in their project details is indicative of the lack of professionalism, whoever the babus and bhaktas behind it. 

It is yet another indication of how much this present government has to learn about putting the right people in charge of energizing and redirecting Indian higher education. 

Regards,

Ramesh Rao

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[R. N. iyengar]

PFA an interesting article by D.Koch a Swiss Sanskrit scholar, astronomer and astrologer:

"Arundhatī, Vasiṣṭha, and Nilesh Oak’s Dating of the Mahābhārata War—A Critical Examination"

Dieter Koch (2017, artizarrak ät yahoo.com), Switzerland

Dedicated to Nilesh Oak and Prabhakar Phadnis

[Nilesh Oak]

Thank you professor R N Iyengar Ji for posting an article by Dr. Dieter Koch Ji on my dating of the MB war.

1. This was a discussion that took place a while ago and if I recall you were very much the part of the email chain.
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2. I encourage all of you to read the article by Dr. Dieter Koch to comprehend the level of academic/scholarly discussion in the MB dating research space.
3. When I offered to discuss all the astronomy evidence of MB text, including 5+ descriptions of Saturn, 4+ descriptions of Jupiter, 8+ descriptions of Mars, 5+ description of Venus, 4+ descriptions of Mercury, AV observation, Bhishma Nirvana evidence, phases, and positions of the moon through 18 days of the War, Dr. Deieter Koch ran away (with tail between the legs). If he is part of this he may respond with either agreeing with my description or denying it.
4. I offered him to have an open debate (uncut, unedited, on camera). He never responded.
5. I wrote 10 part series (based on his and my interaction via email -witnessed by many Indic researchers).  I am posting the link to Part 1 of 10 below. Do read all 10 parts.

https://nileshoak.wordpress.com/2017/05/06/debating-evidence-method-inferences-oak-vs-koch-part-1/

6. I will be doing the Purva paksha of 1198 BCE claim of Dr. Dieter Koch (borrowed from Prof. Daftari, without acknowledging it) once I am done with Purva Paksha series of the claim of 1478 BCE of Prof. R N Iyengar.

All past episodes in this series, links are as follows

Part 1
https://youtu.be/-5W2QTmt9ls

Part 2
https://youtu.be/ZY1FyhTfArc

Part 3
https://youtu.be/3XX9hLybZGU

Part 4
https://youtu.be/eznXtGUK_tM

Part 5
https://youtu.be/Ahhjc66i6N0

At least 2 more are in the pipeline (AV observation and cometary observation from Harivamsha)

7. Links to Purva paksha of 1793 BCE claim of Dr. Ashok Bhatnagar Ji

https://youtu.be/lYlvCqdvKeA

9. Purvapaksha of BharataSavitri (abridged)

https://youtu.be/UDptZ2LKSBg

10 Purvapaksha of Neelkantha Chaturdhar (abridged)
https://youtu.be/zxfVIp-RpeI

Warm regards,
Nilesh Oak

[Raja Roy]

Mr. Oak,

Instead of bombarding the readers with your videos, please provide following information:

1. You claim that seasons and months were off by 2 months from standard configuration during Mahabharata times. Provide a single direct evidence of this assertion. Direct evidence means that seasons and months must be specified by name. 

2. You claim that seasons and months were off by 6 months from standard configuration during Ramayan times. Provide a single direct evidence of this assertion. Direct evidence means that seasons and months must be specified by name. 

3. You claim more than 225+ corroborations of seasons from Ramayana (The Historic Rama, page 229). The table on this page has only 15 rows. Row 1 says Bala 22.22-33. Is that 12 corroborations in your count? Row 6 says Kishkindha 1.1-10. Is that 10 corroborations in your count? Row 9 says Kishkindha 30.1-63. Is that 63 corroborations in your count? Even counting all rows, the data does not sum up to 225+. Where is the rest of the data? Since you proclaim these corroborations all the time, research transparency demands that this data be made public. So kindly tell me where researchers can find this data so that your claim can be scrutinized. 

Regards,

Dr. Raja Roy

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Dear Sri Nilesh-ji,

Your expressions like " Dr. Deieter Koch ran away (with tail between the legs)" do not fit a forum of scholars and a decent discourse. 

We will have to disallow posts with such expressions in future. 

Thanks for your understanding. 

Regards,

Nagaraj

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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Director, Indic Academy

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra

BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.

Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru

BoS Rashtram School of Public Leadership

Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education, 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

 

 

[Nilesh Oak]

Prof. Nagaraj JI

My apologies.  I will stick to something like 'Rhetorical GIGO' when describing behavior such as his.  I hope that expression will be acceptable since it has been used against me, completely unwarranted, on this forum, without any warnings to those who have used it.

Warm regards,
Nilesh Oak

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Sorry to know that you did not notice a similar advice to the members posting  against your line of argument too. We were glad to see the member promising compliance without complaints.  

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[Darshat Shah]

Hello Shri Nilesh,

Could you kindly provide some more information about the "Institute for Advanced Sciences" where you are adjunct faculty? I cannot seem to find a proper website for it.

Shri Sanjeev Panchalji,

Do you really represent govt of India or is this "Indian Knowledge System" a private institution? I second the comments earlier that the website is amateurish, as if hastily put up with no information at all. Please provide some context about your management, who established it, work done so far, etc. so we may better verify how govt of India is sponsoring all this (with my tax payer money).

Regards,

Darshat

[Sanjeev Panchal]

आदरणीय रमेश राव महोदय

मई मासस्य १९ दिनाङ्के सायं ५ वादने समायोजितायाः'क्रिटिकल एग्जामिनेशन: डेटिंग ऑफ रामायण एंड महाभारत' इति संगोष्ठ्याः (वेबिनार) विषये एतद् वक्तुमीहे यत् सङ्गोष्ठ्यां मुख्यातिथित्वेन उपस्थिताः तत्र भवन्तः नवनीत सोनी

महोदयाः संस्कृतिः, इतिहासः, ऐतिहासिकानि स्मारकाणि इत्यादिषु क्षेत्रेषु विहितपरिश्रमिणः कृतकार्यिणः सन्ति। स्वकीयाभिरुचिना एव एतैः प्राचीनैतिहासिकविषये तत्सम्बद्धविषये च कृतभूरिपरिश्रमिभिः विद्वद्भिः सह चर्चा विधीयते।

एतेषामभिरुचिम् अनुभवं च विज्ञाय संस्कृतिमंत्रालये १० वर्षाणि यावत् उपसचिवरूपेण, निदेशकरूपेण, संयुक्तसचिवरूपेण च कार्यभारं वोढुं अवसरः प्रदत्तः। एतदतिरिच्य भारतीय-राष्ट्रीय-स्मारक-प्राधिकरणस्य (National Monuments Authority of India) सदस्यसचिवरूपेण पञ्च वर्षाणि पुरातत्वविद्भिः सह कार्यं कर्तुं तथा पुरातत्वस्थलानां उत्खननाधारेण परीक्षितुं समालोचयितुं अवसरोः विहितः।

विषयेऽस्मिन् भवताम् अभिप्रायाणां वयं स्वागतं कुर्मः। इहेदं निवेद्यते यत् सङ्गोष्ठ्यां चर्चितेषु विषयेषु अशास्त्रीयाः विषयाः, असाधुविषयाः के इति संसूच्यताम्। भवताम् अभिप्रायान् अनुनिशम्य अग्रे सङ्गोष्ठ्याः विषयसामाग्र्याः समग्ररूपेण समीक्षां विधाय संशोधनं प्रतिलेखनं च विधीयते। विषयेऽस्मिन् अन्येऽपि विद्वांसः परामृश्यन्ते।

धन्यवादाः

सादरम्

सञ्जीवः पाञ्चालः

सहायकसमन्वयकः,

भारतीयज्ञानपरम्परा

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[Nilesh Oak]

Prof. Nagaraj JI

My bad. I did not realize that everyone involved was made aware of their expressions. I stand corrected.

I will do my best to keep my communication factual and to the point.  Thank you for keeping the forum a safe place to discuss subjects relevant to its theme.

Warm regards,
Nilesh Oak

[Nilesh Oak]

Dear Darshat Shah Ji

1. When I posted the website address for INADS.org, my virus protection program declares it as a suspicious site.  You may try INADS.org.  I could visit it just fine.  I o not know the reason behind it. I have experienced this one site administered through India. Only FYI.

2. While on the subject, would you tell me more about yourself and your interest in INADS?  I will be happy to connect you with the appropriate individual if any specific area of INADS has sparked your interest.

Warm regards
Nilesh Oak

[Nilesh Oak]

Dear Darshat Shah Ji

1. You can explored INADS at https://www.inads.org/

2. You can explore my work at https://subbupublications.com/nilesh-oak/

Warm Regards
Nilesh Oak

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[Raja Roy]

Dear Darshat Shah Ji

I should also remind you that INADS is a Private Institute. It is not part of any University. I am not sure that it has legitimacy to make anyone Adjunct Professor.

Best regards,

Raja

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[Darshat Shah]

That appears to be the case. This inads does not appear to be part of any university - just happens to be in a town called Dartmouth. There is an outgoing link to Center for Indic Studies at UMass but not the other way round. Google street view of the address shows some kind biz park. Many of the "faculty" listed appear to have day jobs in India while others are into Biochemistry, no courses being taught, so all in all it appears to be a pretty odd institution.

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