Which is correct - lakara should have anudattam or not?

[K.N.RAMESH]

Appreciate any help or pointers to salakshana Veda vidwans

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

lakAra should have anudaattam.

Ramakrishnan 

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:37 PM K.N.RAMESH <knra...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Narayan Prasad]

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> lakAra should have anudaattam.

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With reference to Panini sutras 1.2.27-31:

udAtta, anudAtta, svarita, hrasva, diirgha, pluta - all these occur in case of vowels (ac) only.  Then how come the consonant lakAra gets anudAtta?

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Narayan Prasad

[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

As per the prAtishAkhya-s and shikSha-s, for example in the 11th chapter of the taittirIya prAtishAkhya, chapter 21:

vya~njana~m svarA~Ngam | 1

tatparasvaram | 2

avasitam pUrvasya | 3

sa~myogAdi | 4

pareNa cAs~mhitam | 5

and so on

The rule here would be 5, since the lakAra does not form a samyutAkShara with the following vakAram, but this is only in the taittirIya case. In other vedas like the Rg, it would form a samyutAkSharam. This is just a brief summary. If I have time I will try to write up the details.

Rama

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 11:46 AM Narayan Prasad <hin...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> lakAra should have anudaattam.

>

With reference to Panini sutras 1.2.27-31:

udAtta, anudAtta, svarita, hrasva, diirgha, pluta - all these occur in case of vowels (ac) only.  Then how come the consonant lakAra gets anudAtta?

Regards

Narayan Prasad

On Friday 30 August 2024 at 20:31:34 UTC+5:30 Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan wrote:

lakAra should have anudaattam.

Ramakrishnan 

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:37 PM K.N.RAMESH <knra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Appreciate any help or pointers to salakshana Veda vidwans

Namaskarams

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[Mahamaho. Subrahmanyam Korada]

नमो विद्वद्भ्यः

What is the problem ?

confusing - in the first instance (a) there is marking for a हल् also whereas in the second (b) there is marking only for the first letter -- marking is for अनुदात्त ।

Why such an error occured ? The person arranging the स्वरsigns (in the case of 'a') does  not have the knowledge of 'स्वर’ ।

Wht does it mean ?

स्वर is applicable only to अच् - not हल् ।

परिभाषा (80) -- स्वरविधौ व्यञ्जनम् अविद्यमानवत् ।

Is this परिभाषा - ज्ञापकसिद्धा or वाचनिकी ? both --

ज्ञापकसिद्धा - 

स्वरोद्देश्यकविधौ इत्यर्थः । ’ नोत्तरपदे’नुदात्तादावपृथिवीरुद्रपूषमन्थिषु पा 6-2-142 इतिसूत्रे पृथिव्यादिपर्युदासः अस्याः ज्ञापकः ।

अन्यथा पृथिव्यादीनाम् अनुदात्ताभावात् प्रकृतिस्वरस्य अप्राप्तौ तद्वैयर्थ्यं स्पष्टमेव ।

पृथिवी etc have  व्यञ्जनम्  at the beginning - स्वर  is अज्धर्म - so in cases like द्यावापृथिवी जनयन् etc thte प्रकृतिस्वर

will not come - so this निषेध becomes व्यर्थ and is  ज्ञापक of this परिभाषा ।

वाचनिकी -

महाभाष्यम् - समासस्य (6-1-223 , समासस्य अन्त उदात्तः) - वार्तिकम् -- हल्स्वरप्राप्तौ वा व्यञ्जनमविद्यमानवत् । भा - अथवा हल्स्वरप्राप्तौ व्यञ्जनमविद्यमानवत् इत्येषा परिभाषा कर्तव्या ।..... आचार्यप्रवृत्तिर्ज्ञापयति - तत्र सिद्धं तद्भवति व्यञ्जनादेर्व्यञ्जनान्ताच्चेति,

यदयं नोत्तरपदे’नुदत्तादावित्युक्त्वा’ अपृथिवीरुद्रपूषमन्थिषु’ इति प्रतिषेधं शास्ति ।

उच्चैरुदात्तः , नीचैरनुदात्तः (1-2-29,30) - भा - यद्यनुवर्तते (अचः) ’हल्स्वरप्राप्तौ व्यञ्जनमविद्यमानवद्भवति’ इत्येषा परिभाषा न प्रकल्पते।

कथं हलो नाम स्वरप्रप्तिः स्यात् ? एवं तर्हि निवृत्तम् । बहून्येतस्याः परिभाषायाः प्रयोजनानि । 

.... नैते व्यञ्जनस्य गुणाः , किन्त्वच एव । तत्सामीप्यात्तु व्यञ्जनमपि तद्गुणमुपलभ्यते । तद्यथा - द्वयो रक्तयोर्वस्त्रयोर्मध्ये शुक्लं वस्त्रं तद्गुणमुपलभ्यते । बदरपिटके रिक्तको लोहकंसः तद्गुण उपलभ्यते ।

शुक्लयजुःप्रातिशाख्ये - स्वरो’क्षरम् , सहाद्यैर्व्यञ्जनैः ।

तैत्तिरीयप्रातिशाख्ये - व्यञ्जनं स्वराङ्गम् ।

धन्यो’स्मि

Dr.Korada Subrahmanyam
Adju.Professor , Dept of Heritage Science and Technology, IIT, Hyderabad

299 Doyen , Serilingampally, Hyderabad 500 019
Ph:09866110741

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On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 7:07 AM K.N.RAMESH <knra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Appreciate any help or pointers to salakshana Veda vidwans

Namaskarams

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[Ramesh Kn]

Thanks a lot Dr.Korada Subrahmanyam Garu & others for your valuable inputs

namaskarams