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Namaste
I seek a respectful clarification, may be a secondary issue connected to Veeraraghavan’s question and Clarification provided by Acharya Korada:
Requested Clarification : : What Do we have for a ‘Primary Clean –Clear – Validated Veda- Resource Repository’ – a pre-requisite resource to identify -compile ‘common –mantras’ ?
Comparable to what Bhagavan Veda-Vyasa Maharshi might have used before ‘Veda- vibhaaga’: Organization – Consolidation and Compilation of Heritage Vaidika Shabda – Rashi’? A Clean clear data-base before Analytics – Reflow?
Veeraraghavan question/s: Is there a list of mantras that are 1. common across all 4 vedas 2. common across 3? Rephrased: Also mantras across veda’s differ based on localised rules of pratishakhya. Can I rephrase my question to: "Within the existing shakhas of the 4 vedas has anyone compiled a list of mantras that exist in all 4 or all 3 in a similar form (not same form)"?
Acharya Koradas clarification. I am यजुश्शाखाध्यायी । The following is my recitation of the ब्रह्मणस्पतिमन्त्र ( this is not गणपतिमन्त्र as is often mistaken ) -- गणानां त्वा गणपतिग्ं हवामहे कविं कवीनामुपमश्रवस्तमम् । ज्येष्ठराजं ब्रह्मणां ब्रह्मणस्पत आनश्शृण्वन्नूतिभिस्सीदसादनम् । My relative is ऋक्श्शाखाध्यायी । He recites the same मन्त्र as follows -- गणानां त्वा गणपतिं हवामहे कविं कवीनाम् .....।
You may read between the lines .
Note: What and Why am I seeking this clarification ?
In my limitations of exploration and understanding I see the following ground reality:
‘Shuddha – Shaastra –sammata – Pathya –grantha means Clean Clear Primary Validated Text before Analytics, Translation, interpretation and education-practice adaptation?
What we do seem still to be strong at is the ‘Rule –Base needed for Samskruth Document Usage for Applications’, and ‘ preservation of regional variant usage practice patterns :: which west calls as ‘localized Vedic recitation- ritual practice and reading – education’.
The ‘Darshana – Apaurusheya – Shaastra –siddha shuddha –veda –paatha’ seems to be a goal even to be acknowledged, appreciated and academically researched and placed in to the funnel-tunnel of ‘gurukul Vedic education system’.
I am aware of the texts and related frameworks used by Vaidika Samshodhana Mandala, Sampoornanda university, Nag and other Delhi publishers, Digital publications at least till 2020.
It is still needing many clean ups.
Data –Error is extremely dangerous contributor in vitiating research, application, translation and ‘ Community Faith anchor grooming in Tradition’. Data –error triggers when Primary resource is not clean –clear – transparent ( Patanjali : Shuddhaah Pathyante is the standard for recitation, digital and print documents).
a) ‘Vedic Primary Manuscript / and / Voice traditions’ are at statistically significant
variations across nation and tradition - across ‘Guru-kuls and Veda Patha shaalas’.
b) At least One major documented reference for ‘Mantra / Rik -variations by manuscripts /
vulgates integrally – inseparably carries ‘ conscious- intellectually meddled’ amends
introduced by Max Muller using ‘Latin –Scripture Critical Edition -Preparation model’
for ‘Sayana Bhashya’.
This ‘meddled – resource’ is sacrosanct – continuing to serve as the ‘Mother-womb’
of several later Indian-editions (Scholarly, academic, research and popular vedic
education ’ – claiming authenticity.
Many such editions seem to be oblivious of needs to go by (i) Traditional standards of
Practicing and voice validation (ii) Shaastra –Samgraha - shuddhataa as Acharya Korada
has pointed out (iii) address challenges and limitations noticed way back since 1830 and
highlighted in scholarly circles ( for publicly well-known reasons !)
Following links could help to get a glean of the challenges involved.
Rigveda - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda
Sacred Books of the East - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Books_of_the_East
One relevant snippet for quick reference placed below:
The topping up talk of ‘ Digital Editions by Romanization / Varying conventions of short representing ‘Vedic Varna- Aksharas by preferred transliteration conventions and techno-linguistic constraints, as in OCR - is a different set of ‘pain’ ! being used in ‘On line Vedic Teaching’ – as social outreach of Traditional Education for the ‘communities’.
Thanks in advance for the clarification. The clarification would help to build a ‘ Benefit- Utility –appropriate Vedic application as ‘ (vak- yoga) Yajna- viniyoga’.
Regards
BVK Sastry
ऊह्यमानस्य च अमन्त्रत्वात् ’ यज्ञकर्मणि - ’ इति जपादिपर्युदासेन मन्त्राणामेक श्रुतिर्विधीयमाना नेह भवति ।
कैयट is referring to the पूर्वमीमांसासूत्रम् -- ’ अनाम्नातेष्वमन्त्रत्वम् ’ ( पू मी सू 2-1-34 ) -- आम्नायः = वेदः । If the मन्त्र is not there as it is in वेद but ऊहित , that cannot be a मन्त्र ।
In वेद there is प्रकृतियाग -- and one has to make ऊह for विकृतियाग -- ’ प्रकृतिवद्विकृतिः कर्तव्या ’ ( In which याग all the अङ्गानि are said it is प्रकृतियाग ) ।
अग्निमन्त्रः वेदे -- अग्नये त्वा जुष्टं निर्वपामि ।
सौर्यं चरुं निर्वपेत् ब्रह्मवर्चसकमः -- इति सौर्यचरुः । तत्र मन्त्रः ऊहितः --सूर्याय त्वा जुष्टं निर्वपामि ( अग्नये -- सूर्याय ) ।
In the present case the मन्त्र is ऊहित - so यज्ञकर्मणि... does not apply .
In a षोडशोपचारपूजा you go on just changing the name of the देवता - गणेशाय नमः -- विष्णवे नमः etc . This is ऊह (प्रकृत्यूहः - there are eight or so ऊहs explained by भर्तृहरि )
धन्यो’स्मि
Dr.Korada Subrahmanyam
Adju.Professor , Dept of Heritage Science and Technology, IIT, Hyderabad
299 Doyen , Serilingampally, Hyderabad 500 019
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On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 6:53 AM venkat veeraraghavan <vvenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
Namaskaram Shri Korada Mahodaya,
Thank you for an elaborate explanation with great references!!!
I accept Veda is endless and we have only limited shakhas available at the moment.
Also mantras across vedas differ based on localised rules of pratishakhya.
Can I rephrase my question to: "Within the existing shakhas of the 4 vedas has anyone compiled a list of mantras that exist in all 4 or all 3 in a similar form (not same form)"?
Thanks and I have been meaning to ask this for a long time but your quote of " during यज्ञकर्म, all वेदs , except सामवेद , have to be recited in एकश्रुति (without the difference of उदात्त , अनुदात्त and स्वरित )" brought this question back to the fore.
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