adhokSaja

[Irene Galstian]

I am trying to find out where does the above epithet of Vishnu/Krishna come from. 

'Born under an axle' is one explanation I've seen, but to which episode does that refer? 

Could you please point me to references within tradition?

Thank you,

Irene

[Hnbhat B.R.]

Mahabharata

Adhokshaja१ (“born under the axle-tree,” cf. Hariv. v. ९०८७ ff., and BR.) = Kṛshṇa

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[shankara]

Irene ji,

Traditional etymologies for Adhokshaja, other than the one quoted in your query.

अधोभूते ह्यक्षगणे प्रत्यग्रूपप्रवाहिते l
जायते तस्य वै ज्ञानं तेनाधोक्षज उच्यते ll Source unknown, quoted by Sankaracharya in Vishnu Sahasranama commentary

अधो न क्षीयते जातु यस्मात्तस्मादधोक्षजः। Mahabharata 5.69.10

पुनर्जातोऽयमित्याहुः उक्तस्तस्मादधोक्षजः। Harivamsa, Vishnuparva, 101.33

द्यौरक्षं पृथिवी चाधः तयोर्यस्मादजायत ।
मध्ये वैराजरूपेण इत्यधोक्षज उच्यते ॥ Source unknown, quoted by Sankaracharya in Vishnu Sahasranama commentary.

regards
shankara

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[K S Kannan]

It is when the sense-organs (अक्ष) are suppressed (अधः), and made to flow inward, that the knowledge of the Lord arises(ज). Hence the name.

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[venkat veeraraghavan]

Dr. Kannan:

Thats a brilliant etymology and goes well with the epithets Gopala and Hrishikesha.

However, wouldn't control be a better word than suppress?

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 11:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, ks.kannan.2000 wrote:

It is when the sense-organs (अक्ष) are suppressed (अधः), and made to flow inward, that the knowledge of the Lord arises(ज). Hence the name.

On Thu, 30 Jan, 2020, 21:21 'shankara' via भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्, <bvpar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Irene ji,

Traditional etymologies for Adhokshaja, other than the one quoted in your query.

अधोभूते ह्यक्षगणे प्रत्यग्रूपप्रवाहिते l
जायते तस्य वै ज्ञानं तेनाधोक्षज उच्यते ll Source unknown, quoted by Sankaracharya in Vishnu Sahasranama commentary

अधो न क्षीयते जातु यस्मात्तस्मादधोक्षजः। Mahabharata 5.69.10

पुनर्जातोऽयमित्याहुः उक्तस्तस्मादधोक्षजः। Harivamsa, Vishnuparva, 101.33

द्यौरक्षं पृथिवी चाधः तयोर्यस्मादजायत ।
मध्ये वैराजरूपेण इत्यधोक्षज उच्यते ॥ Source unknown, quoted by Sankaracharya in Vishnu Sahasranama commentary.

regards
shankara

On Thursday, 30 January, 2020, 8:41:55 pm IST, Irene Galstian <gnos...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am trying to find out where does the above epithet of Vishnu/Krishna come from. 

'Born under an axle' is one explanation I've seen, but to which episode does that refer? 

Could you please point me to references within tradition?

Thank you,

Irene

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[K S Kannan]

You are right, sir. 

However, we may note that suppression is still a better word than repression. Ultimately, conquest, regulation, blocking, turning inwards, sublimation, stilling, and a few more words are used to indicate transcending the sense-organs. It is a question at once of the imagery that is preferred, and the actual yogic process involved. The indriya-s are sometimes just horses, sometimes thieves etc . 

indriyani hayAn AhuH

corair mahAbalibhir indriya- nAmadheyaih & c. Our faculties are sometimes rebellious, sometimes neutral etc.

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[Aravinda Rao]

Good explanations by Sri Shankara and by Dr. Kannan. Thank you.

Aravinda Rao 

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[R. N. iyengar]

It is name no. 415 in the Vishnusahasranaama; verse no. 57.  As per Shankarabhashya:

Thanks

RNI

[K S Kannan]

"When the group of senses take a downward course" - is indeed such a poor, literal, translation, not catching the spirit.

The yogic process is essentially one of turning the senses on an upward/inward course. "adhobhUta" is therefore "getting subordinate" = the opposite of their generally rebellious state  viz. one of being turned downward/outward course. Introvertion of the gaze is the desired end at first ( AvRtta-caks"us"), demanding "courage" (kas'cid dhIraH). 

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[Bijoy Misra]

"downward" is a dictionary effect.

अधोः as "down" written in the book.

जायते becomes "arises"

I don't know how India would rescue herself from the literal mapping. 

Certainly the audience for the English translation is not a student of comparative philosophy.

The books are loaded and copied by our new youth as we speak.

There is a task for the new India.

BM

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[Irene Galstian]

Thank you very much to the members who replied with references and advice. 

It seems that I'd be OK to think of this as a post-Vedic term. Would that be OK, you think? Does anybody recall seeing this word in the Vedic literature?

Irene

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:44:31 AM UTC, ks.kannan.2000 wrote:

"When the group of senses take a downward course" - is indeed such a poor, literal, translation, not catching the spirit.

The yogic process is essentially one of turning the senses on an upward/inward course. "adhobhUta" is therefore "getting subordinate" = the opposite of their generally rebellious state  viz. one of being turned downward/outward course. Introvertion of the gaze is the desired end at first ( AvRtta-caks"us"), demanding "courage" (kas'cid dhIraH). 

On Fri, 31 Jan, 2020, 10:44 R. N. iyengar, <narayan...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is name no. 415 in the Vishnusahasranaama; verse no. 57.  As per Shankarabhashya:

Thanks

RNI

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 8:41:49 PM UTC+5:30, Irene Galstian wrote:

I am trying to find out where does the above epithet of Vishnu/Krishna come from. 

'Born under an axle' is one explanation I've seen, but to which episode does that refer? 

Could you please point me to references within tradition?

Thank you,

Irene

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