Natural forests as climate actors

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Anastassia Makarieva

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Oct 14, 2021, 3:28:08 AM10/14/21
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Dear colleagues, you might be interested in my upcoming talk at IAS-TUM. To register, one should contact eve...@tum.ias.de

Natural forests as climate actors


International climate discourse mentions forests in two contexts: as carbon depositaries and as renewable sources of materials and energy. If implemented in global policies, this narrow view on forests can, contrary to expectations, worsen climate destabilization. Two crucial aspects are undervalued and understudied. First is the major role of forests as regulators of the various aspects of the water cycle, including cloud cover (a major source of climate uncertainties) and ocean-to-land and transcontinental transport of atmospheric moisture. Second is the difference in the environmental functions of primary forests, largely unperturbed by anthropogenic activities, versus exploited tree stands. While the former have evolved to maximize environmental homeostasis, the latter were selected to maximize economic productivity. The two cannot be maximized simultaneously. Successful strategies of climate mitigation should prioritize preservation of still extant self-sustainable natural forests for humanity to continue benefiting from their climate stabilization potential.

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Anastassia

Ugo Bardi

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Oct 14, 2021, 10:48:16 AM10/14/21
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Very interesting, but when?

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Anastassia Makarieva

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Oct 14, 2021, 11:26:08 AM10/14/21
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My apologies, indeed: Wednesday 27 October 2021, 13.00-approx. 14.00 Munich time, 15 minutes talk followed by questions
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Ugo Bardi

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Oct 14, 2021, 5:00:17 PM10/14/21
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I'll see to be there, absolutely-positively!!!

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Anastassia Makarieva

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Oct 28, 2021, 4:17:37 AM10/28/21
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Dear colleagues,

Link to my presentation yesterday at IAS-TUM is https://yadi.sk/i/hXpxwSH6DoyI-g
There was an inspiring discussion! It was great to see some of you there and even chat! Thanks Christian for your question!

The presentation was supposed to be recorded and posted online. Unfortunately, it now appears that due to technical glitches it was not.

To record this presentation for the web, I will repeat the presentation via Zoom on Saturday 30 October at 12.00 (midday) Munich time (13.00 Moscow). If some of you have time and interest, please email me and I will send you the Zoom conference details. If we are a few, we will maybe even have a discussion. Forests are growing in importance as you are reading this!

Warm regards
Anastassia

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Ugo Bardi

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Oct 28, 2021, 8:04:36 AM10/28/21
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Of course I am interested in the link!!

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Mats Almgren

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Oct 28, 2021, 10:37:25 AM10/28/21
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Dear Anastassia,
Unfortunately, I could not listen yesterday, and I cannot follow it on Saturday, but I would like to see it later on. Will it be posted on the web?

Best wishes 
Mats

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ch.klee

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Oct 28, 2021, 1:50:00 PM10/28/21
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Dear Anastassia,
certainly I would like to hear your presentation once again. Please send me the Zoom-Link!
See you on saturday; Christian

Anastassia Makarieva

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Oct 28, 2021, 4:10:29 PM10/28/21
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Dear colleagues,

our plans are shaping -- after my Zoom presentation we will have a discussion and Dr. Anna Nemchinova will brief us about her very recent research on the White Sea.

The White Sea coast of the Onega Peninsula is a scene of the action of forest biota as a natural climate control machine

Anna Nemchinova nema...@rambler.ru Centre for Independent Social Research, Russia, St. Petersburg

This is link to our Zoom conference 

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84991201469?pwd=TWRkS0JXVCtJSFlCS0JQa2FqOG00dz09 

30 October 2021, 13.00 Moscow time

We plan to have everything recorded and uploaded to youtube.

Warm regards,

Anastassia




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Pokorný Jan

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Oct 28, 2021, 4:13:54 PM10/28/21
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Great Anastassia, thanks for the link and news.

13:00 Moscow time is Midday 12:00 of our time – I will enjoy it

Best regards

Jan

Anastassia Makarieva

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Oct 30, 2021, 8:48:43 AM10/30/21
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Dear colleagues,
here is the youtube link https://youtu.be/8Rqcjdjq3Fo
for "Natural forests as climate actors".
Warm regards
Anastassia

чт, 28 окт. 2021 г. в 10:17, Anastassia Makarieva <ammak...@gmail.com>:

JUAN FERNANDO SALAZAR VILLEGAS

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Dec 9, 2021, 9:41:53 AM12/9/21
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Dear Anastassia and colleagues,

This is from a paper just published in Nature: "The global terrestrial carbon sink is increasing, offsetting roughly a third of anthropogenic CO2 released into the atmosphere each decade, and thus serving to slow the growth of atmospheric CO2". To me, this sounds like biotic regulation.


Best wishes,
Juan


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Alexander Chikunov

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Dec 9, 2021, 10:01:36 AM12/9/21
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But there are a lot of publications with the opposite statement- that "many forests became net carbon emitters now". And I'm afraid that the next statement will be - to destroy THESE "bad forests"?
It's very hard to understand and believe in the "forest biotic regulation" concept based on the CO concept of climate change. In this concept forests can only absorb-and-store or  emit CO2. 

Regards,
Alexander

Alexander Chikunov


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Helga Vierich

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Dec 9, 2021, 10:24:37 AM12/9/21
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There is a huge difference between a real forest ecosystem, developing during a process of secondary growth and species diversity, and a mere plantation of "commercially valuable timber" trees. The first is a net sequesterer, the plantations tend to be emitters of carbon. 

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