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Thank you, Eddie! I had indeed overlooked the scanning service of the ÖNB!
I already know Ulrich's contribution on Hammer & Glocke. For those interested, it's a single page of text on p. 290, with five pages of images (six catalog entries) on pp. 291-295. It's a great introduction.
Malcolm asked about the Rechenbuch from 1535 I mentioned:
Erhard von Ellenbogen: Rechenbuch auff Preussische müntze mas und
gewichte auff der linien und federn seer bequem mit wenig worten
viel begriffen zu dem gmeinen handel und scharffer Rechnung
verfertiget.
The title page says 1535, the bibliographic info in the library
catalog adds: Gedruckt zu Wittemberg durch || Joseph Klug.|| 1536.
Identifiers: VD16 ZV 24230
https://nbn-resolving.org/urn/resolver.pl?urn=urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00028787-0
The arithmetic problem including blind dice is on f. 70v - 71r
(there's no original pagination).
The same digitization is available via the Munich library and
Google Books:
https://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00028787/image_80
https://books.google.de/books?id=5a2QaqIsLz8C&pg=PP80&dq=%22blinde+w%C3%BCrffel%22&hl=de#v=onepage&q=%22blinde%20w%C3%BCrffel%22&f=false
The text of the problem reads:
Item es waren 4 bierseuffer im Nobis krug/ 3 meilen fur der Hellen/ vnd ein iglicher het ein hauffen voll biergleser fur im/ einer mehr denn der ander/ vnd hetten auch blinde würffel/ vnd spielten vmb die gleser/ ina solcher weis/ warff iglicher einen wurff/ vnd die andern setzten alle ire gleser auff/ Vnd wer kein aug het/ muste dem andern so viel gleser geweren/ als er zuuor hatte/ Vnd der erst hub an/ denn er het am meisten gleser/ vnd da iglicher einen wurff gethan hette/ hette keiner augen/ vnd hetten sich die gleser gleich vnter sie geteilet/ Ist die frage/ wie viel behilt iglicher gleser/ Du must von ersten wissen/ wie viel iglicher gehabt hat/ So addir die erste zal zu der letzten/ wird 5 der vierden hauff/ welche zal duplir/ und nim 1 wider weg/ wird 9 des dritten hauffen/ welche zal aber duplir/ vnd nim auch das 1 weg/ wird |7 des andern hauffen/ Vnd duplir auch die |7. vnd nim das eine weg/ wird 33 des ersten grausamen bierseuffers hauffen/
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Nu mustu nach des ersten verwerffen/ zu iglichen seuffer so viel addin/ als er zuuor hat/ vnd von des ersten sum subtrahirn etc.
Facit 1 1/3 last/ das ist 16 gleser nach bier recht.
Jonas
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Dear Thierry,
Wow! There is some frightening knowledge in this group. I had not before appreciated that the English term for the collection of money in the centre of many of these games, 'pool' may have originated as 'chicken'. Mind, I don't quite get why a chicken was the French choice. Perhaps the French were interpreting the English term 'pool' which sounds like 'poule'. I think it more likely to be the other way round though.
This is certainly a
game which may have been played by soldiers across the
continent in the 16th and 17th centuries.
I don't completely accept the term Farinet as being due to the dice being mainly white - perhaps it is a British think but for whiteness I would think chalk.
This is really great stuff though.
Thanks Thierry and Jonas. Would you mind if I wrote something about this for the magazine of the Sealed Knot Society - Britain's largest re-enactment group - please? Are there images that come to mind?
Keep safe and well,
Malcolm
I have replied to Jonas separately, and thought also to here, but it seems not. This is all wonderful stuff.
Keep safe and well,
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Thank you very much, Thierry, this is informative (and
delightful)!
I'm particularly happy about the description in the Encyclopédie. Do you know of any other descriptions of the gameplay, besides the German "pachten" rules from 1791?
Included in two collections, both published in the same year:
- Taschenbuch zum geselligen Vergnügen, Leipzig
1791, pp. 214-215.
https://books.google.de/books?id=-_V2s03MbUwC&pg=PA214
- Der angenehme Gesellschafter,
Gräz 1791, pp. 72-75.
https://books.google.de/books?id=fygPiVhRZUoC&pg=PA72
There's a discussion of the probabilities with 6 "Schimmelwürfel" from 1792, but it contains no input on how a game with these dice would be played. https://books.google.de/books?id=SmxEAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA695 (pp. 695-700, the second half of the treatise starting on p. 689)
Yours
Jonas
Le 31 oct. 2020 à 19:04, Jonas Richter <jric...@gwdg.de> a écrit :Thank you very much, Thierry, this is informative (and delightful)!
I'm particularly happy about the description in the Encyclopédie. Do you know of any other descriptions of the gameplay, besides the German "pachten" rules from 1791?
FERME, s.f. Il y a deux jeux qui portent le nom de ferme: l'un de cartes, l'autre de dés. (…) On se sert dans ce jeu de six dés, dont chacun n'est marqué que d'un côté, depuis un point jusqu'à six ; en sorte que le plus grand coup qu'on puisse faire après avoir jeté les six dés dehors du cornet, est de vingt-un points. (…) Le jeu de la ferme est un jeu de compagnie fort divertissant pour ceux qui ont le dé heureux. Il y a d’autres manières de jouer à ce jeu, comme quand un des joueurs devient fermier, c’est à dire se charge de la ferme ou poule.
RENTILLA. Se llama tambien cierta especie de juego, que se hace con seis dados, los quales tienen cada uno, por sola una cara, su cifra ò señal, de uno, dos, tres, quatro, cinco y seis, en que cumplen todos juntos el número de veinte y un puntos. El modo de jugar se reduce à barajar los dados primero en la mano, y despues echarlos en la mesa, y segun el número que pinta, se saca de tantos de la polla; pero si la suerte saliere en blanco (que por zumba llaman camisa) se pone un tanto para aumento de la renta: y si llegasse el lance de descubrirse los veinte y un puntos, lo gana todo, y mas el premio que se condicionasse por razon del remáte, lo qual sucede cuando la mesa es rentéra : advirtiendo, que quando llegare el caso de ser mas los puntos que los tantos que han quedado, el excesso es en favor de la polla: y si echasse el dado preciso ò iguál à lo que hai en la polla, tambien la remáta.
En el juego de la rentilla, es quando de todos los seis dados, que se echan (que con otros tantos se juega) salen todos sin pintar, porque no tienen pintas mas que por una de las caras.
arenillas. antiq. Especie de dados, que solo tienen puntos por una cara, subiendo de uno hasta seis, como los que se usan en el juego de la rentilla. Tesserae lusoriae vel aleatoriae. covarr. Tes.
arenillas, son unos dados que no tienen puntos en más de una cara, y van por su orden : uno, dos, tres, etc. Y dixéronse assí, quasi arrenglillas, porque van a rengle en los puntos.
e) eine besondere würfelart bildet der blinde würfel ‘ein nur auf einer seite beaugter würfel, von denen sechs ein spiel bilden’ (anders des zufalls blinde würfel, s. unter 3 b): darpei het man (im jahre 1469) ein spil mit 6 plinten würfeln (Nürnberg, ende d. 15. jhs.) städtechron. 11, 457; auff der rasselbanck, da man etwa um zinengefäsz oder anders mit blinden würffeln spielet theatrum diabol. (1569) 513b.
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The Swiss Museum of Games’ library has a copy of Reisinger’s book. I can check.
Ulrich
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Hi,
Reisinger doesn’t say anything about the early history of these dice. He mainly illustrates the different dice he found in the Bell&Hammer games as well as the hammers and the cards.
Cheers
Ulrich
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Hello Jonas.
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I don't know whether shameless self-publicity is legitimate, but my second book on Roberts Bros the games-makers has now come out.
Games-Makers 2 the Empire: Roberts Bros. of Gloucester 1890 -
1957, volume II is not as large as volume I for obvious reasons,
but still has some 340 pages including mostly images of products
from the company and their associated companies.

Volume I (Games-Makers to the Empire: Roberts Brothers of Gloucester, 1890 - 1957) (550 pages) is still available.

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Thank you.
It should be available through decent bookshops and is online at the vendor I don't like to mention.
Keep safe,
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Thank you Mark,
'Invaluable' may be a slight exaggeration, though.....
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Mark, please, could we get the table of contents ?
Thanks in advance
Odile (Lyon, France)
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Dear Odile,
Hope this helps.
Volume I:
Chapter 1: Introduction 1
Chapter 2: Tips and Wrinkles for the Collector and Researcher 7
Chapter 3: Piladex 11
Chapter 4: Early History 18
Chapter 5: Card Games 23
Chapter 6: Ludo & Snakes and Ladders 33
Chapter 7: The Tiny Tot(s) Series 49
Chapter 8: Games Listing 55
Addenda: 195
Appendix 1: Text of the Article in ‘Industrial Gloucestershire’ (1904) 199
Appendix 2: Text of the Article in the Stationer, Printer and Fancy Goods
Trader (1908) 201
Appendix 3: Text of the Article in the Gloucestershire Chronicle (1910) 203
Appendix 4: Article in the Toy Trader and Exporter, 1947 207
Appendix 5: Alphabetical Listing of Known Products 211
Appendix 6: Avon Series 219
Appendix 7: Original Documentary Evidence and
Ephemera 219
Index
Select Bibliography
Games Rules Images
Colour Illustrations
Volume II:
Acknowledgements
Introduction
Chapter 1: Games Listing 1
Chapter 2: Motor Tour, Motor Racing and Motoring 197
Chapter 3: Avon Series 219
Chapter 4: Eclipse Series 225
Chapter 5: Faulkner & Co. Ltd. 227
Chapter 6: Ordish & Co. Ltd. 233
Chapter 7: Woolley & Co. Ltd. 237
Chapter 8: Uncertain Publishers.
Games possibly by Roberts Brothers 249
Chapter 9: Local Memories 259
Appendix 1: Article in The Gloucestershire Chronicle,
27 October, 1923, page 8 261
Appendix 2: Article in the Gloucester Journal,
28th October, 1948, page 14 265
Appendix 3: Gajra or Gejra Series 267
Appendix 4: Funeral of Harry Owen Roberts, 1929 269
Appendix 5: Funeral of John Owen Roberts, 1935 277
Appendix 6: Title Page and Informational Text from the
Catalogue thought to be 1950 293
Appendix 7: Some Items other than games from Catalogues 297
Appendix 8: Updated List of lines manufacture by Roberts Bros. 313
Appendix 9: Catalogue entries for ‘New Lines’ 325
Bibliography: 329
Corrigenda to 2013 Volume: 333
Addenda plates: 339
Index
I am also attaching a couple of sample page spreads, to give you an idea of what it looks like.
Keep safe,
Malcolm
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I regret that I have not issued either book as a pdf or ebook.
Sorry, Fatih.
Keep safe,
Malcolm
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