Re: Fwd:

[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

There is no substitute to our CHV in  India. Life long  general secretary of AIBEA. If more pensioners die then our leader will sign ☢️ the updation settlement.A very good leader with very good ambition.

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On 14-Sep-2022 6:46 PM, "Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi" <doctordh...@gmail.com> wrote:

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From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 2:43 PM
Subject:
To: bank officers <aibo...@gmail.com>, satish arora
<skar...@gmail.com>, Manohar lal Arora <mlaro...@gmail.com>,
Siddalingappa A K <sid_...@yahoo.co.uk>, Vedavyasa Acharya
<acharyav...@gmail.com>, <aib...@gmail.com>, ALL INDIA BANK
OFFICERS Confederation <aiboc...@gmail.com>, Rakesh Verma - Jt.
Secy. UPBEU, Hathras <abrk...@gmail.com>, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi
<doctordh...@gmail.com>, K R BUNKAR <k.r.bun...@gmail.com>,
<bms...@gmail.com>, <bhardwaj....@gmail.com>, Deep Kr. Bajpai -
VP, UPBEU <absa...@gmail.com>, Banwari Lal Maheshwari
<jagdish...@gmail.com>, Lal Chand - Federal Bank
<lalch...@gmail.com>, LakshmanRao Kantamsetti
<contac...@gmail.com>, harish chandra
<harishcha...@gmail.com>, <dbc2...@gmail.com>, Danendra Jain
<dkjai...@gmail.com>, Faujdar Dubey <faujda...@gmail.com>, Dau
Dayal Varshney <varsh...@gmail.com>, federal bank employees union
aluva <fbe...@gmail.com>, <tks.el...@sansad.nic.in>,
<editorinchief....@gmail.com>, <fbo...@gmail.com>, Kedar
Shah - Farrukhabad <kedar...@gmail.com>, A.K. Kool - Faizabad
<koolar...@gmail.com>, Thomas Franco <ngcf...@gmail.com>, madan
lal Gupta <mlge...@gmail.com>, <gsno...@gmail.com>,
<gsnob...@gmail.com>, Rana Pratap Singh - GS, ABEU (U.P.)
<ranaps...@gmail.com>, yadvinder gupta <sbpa...@yahoo.com>,
Nagabushana Rao Gurram <gnbr...@gmail.com>, <hasmu...@gmail.com>,
harinarayana sarma nandivada <nhns...@aol.com>, Prabhakar Hebbar
<prabs...@gmail.com>, Prashant Sharma - Meerut
<ibeum...@gmail.com>, <kdkhe...@gmail.com>, K.N. Kaushik -
Lalitpur <k.n.ka...@gmail.com>, VISHWANATH NAIK Kedoor
<kevi...@gmail.com>, lalitajoshi03 <lalita...@gmail.com>,
llguptasaurabh <llgupta...@gmail.com>, <mrgoc...@yahoo.com>,
Madan Ji Upadhyay - UPBEU, Allahabad <madanup...@yahoo.com>,
Sundaram Nagarajan <snagar...@gmail.com>, <nobwc...@gmail.com>,
Sunil Ojha <soj...@gmail.com>, Pradip Biswas
<pradi...@yahoo.co.in>, Y P Singh - President, AIABECC
<yps...@gmail.com>, KUMAR ARVIND <presiden...@gmail.com>,
<rssha...@gmail.com>, singh raminder <raminder...@gmail.com>,
YVS Rao <yellamr...@gmail.com>, Thani Kachalam
<tkac...@gmail.com>, K.K. Tiwari <kktiwa...@rediffmail.com>,
Vinayak T <vinay...@gmail.com>, <saran...@gmail.com>, UPENDRA
KUMAR <upendr...@gmail.com>, Venugopal Cheriyachanaseril
<ceey...@gmail.com>


फोरम आफ बैंक पेंशनर एक्टिविस्टस्
Forum of Bank Pensioner Activists
PRAYAGRAJ
न त्वहं कामये राज्यं  न स्वर्गं नापुनर्भवम्।
कामये दुःखतप्तानां प्रणिनामार्तिनाशनम्॥
           ।। धन्य: अस्मि भारत्वेन ।।


Sister Nirmala Sitharaman,
Hon'ble Finance Minister,
GOI, New Delhi

Respected Sister,


         BANKS PENSION REVISION

                 MAKE IT HAPPEN
                             OR
                DECLINE IT, MAM !

The Bank Pensioners, having full faith in you and belief in your
words, have been waiting for a long time for "one rank-one pension" in
Banking, who are now suffering from the fear that some grave untoward
incident may happen to them in days to come. They are apprehensive,
IBA's linger on policy and the unions' hostile approach against
Pensioners can disturb their apple cart, distort the RBI pension
revision methodology & shatter the long-standing aspiration of
pensioners to get justifiable revision as in RBI.

It is the "Amrit-kaal" of India's freedom. The vision of the Hon'ble
Prime Minister and the dedication of the people will make India free
from fear, hunger, diseases etc. and will make it a developed country
in the world. It's the dream to resurrect to the status of ancient
'Vishwa Guru.' This is the dream of the people of this great nation,
which must come true.

You are well aware of the plight of Bank Pensioners. By going a step
ahead, you have strengthened the sagging morale and confidence of the
pensioners, instilled new hope, expressed sympathy on the plight of
the pensioners and appreciated their contributions. Told the
executives not to  ignore and leave pensioners on their own condition.
You also told your desire to the executives that you want the ideal
situation of One Rank-One Pension in Banks as in Defense Sector. It
all were the dreams that we saw live in your words.

But, it is two year since you said & intervened, no progress is
visible in pension revision matter. Even after your intervention, no
any outcome, is a matter of concern for the pensioners. Nothing is
clear what's the Banks, the IBA and the DFS executives are thinking
and doing in this regard, though the matter is quite simple & clear.

The Government has updated Reserve Bank's pension till 31.10.2012 with
effect from 1.3.2019. The same decision is to be taken by the
Government in respect of other Banks. But, the IBA is not giving it's
formal proposal to the Government. It's somewhat unbelievable and
unbecoming as well that your intervention and advices are not adhered
to!

It is pertinent to mention here that the Pension Settlement in
Reserve Bank was done in 1990 and on the same basis, the Pension
Settlement of other banks on the same terms was done on 29.10.1993.
Since pension in Reserve Bank was implemented from 1.1.1986, hence
Pension in other banks was also brought into effect from 1.1.1986.
Now, other Bank Pensioners aspire and entitle to pension revision with
effect from 1.3.2019, as of RBI, but is in a state of indecisiveness.

Cause of justice warrants, Bank Pensioners are given their due even at
this belated stage. No more- no less, but equality! The RBI Pension
Scheme is the bed-rock of Banks Pension Scheme. The revision may
please be done strictly on RBI line to avoid any conflict in this
regard and served the cause of justice.

We seek your further indulgence in the matter with a request to please
tell the authorities below to move effectively to resolve this problem
at their earliest. Please lend your support to ensure justice and no
more sufferings on this count.

Respectful Regards


(J. N. Shukla)
National Convener
14.8.2022
9559748834

Copt to:

Dr. Bhagwat Karad,
State Finance Minister
GOI, New Delhi

Kindly do something to resolve this issue.

[Dorai Krishnamurthy]

CHV may be the brain behind the affidavit of IBA

Dorai K

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[S.R. Rajaraman]

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

Does anybody know who is taking decisions in respect of pensioners issues.  Banks direct us to IBA saying it is industry wise settlement. IBA says it acts according to specific mandate of Banks. There are 12 Banks and 12 Bank boards. How is that  all these diffarent Bank Boards can give similar mandate to IBA? Are they leaving decision making to IBA? Then how it can be called  specific mandate?

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022, 09:46 S.R. Rajaraman <srraj...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

Sir, I B A has issued a circular  about its legal status and clearly mentioned that it functions according to the banks instructions. IBA is bankers broker. I don't understand why the union LEADERS are approaching the IBA again and again  for a settled agreement when banks are refusing to implement. The Government in its reply  to  the petitioner of Bank of Baroda (Madras High Court Case ) said that the bank has to provide funds to pay PENSION. Neither the banks nor the unions are approaching the Government to solve the issue and bank also not replying. If the trade unions are really interested in the welfare of its employees  then they will approach the Government and solve the issue. Our unions Leaders are more powerful than US president Because of their ego PENSIONER'S are suffering. Explaining about an elephant to a blind man

On 20-Sep-2022 6:55 PM, "Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi" <doctordh...@gmail.com> wrote:

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From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 11:32 AM
Subject:
To: bank officers <aibo...@gmail.com>, Manohar lal Arora
<mlaro...@gmail.com>, Siddalingappa A K <sid_...@yahoo.co.uk>, ALL
INDIA BANK OFFICERS Confederation <aiboc...@gmail.com>, Vedavyasa
Acharya <acharyav...@gmail.com>, <aib...@gmail.com>, satish
arora <skar...@gmail.com>, KUMAR ARVIND
<presiden...@gmail.com>, <bhardwaj....@gmail.com>,
Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi <doctordh...@gmail.com>, K R BUNKAR

<k.r.bun...@gmail.com>, <bms...@gmail.com>, Pradip Biswas
<pradi...@yahoo.co.in>, Deep Kr. Bajpai - VP, UPBEU

<absa...@gmail.com>, Banwari Lal Maheshwari

<jagdish...@gmail.com>, LakshmanRao Kantamsetti
<contac...@gmail.com>, <dbc2...@gmail.com>, Danendra Jain

<dkjai...@gmail.com>, Faujdar Dubey <faujda...@gmail.com>, Dau
Dayal Varshney <varsh...@gmail.com>, federal bank employees union
aluva <fbe...@gmail.com>, <tks.el...@sansad.nic.in>,

<fbo...@gmail.com>, Kedar Shah - Farrukhabad <kedar...@gmail.com>,

A.K. Kool - Faizabad <koolar...@gmail.com>, Lal Chand - Federal
Bank <lalch...@gmail.com>, Thomas Franco <ngcf...@gmail.com>,

madan lal Gupta <mlge...@gmail.com>, <gsno...@gmail.com>,
<gsnob...@gmail.com>, Rana Pratap Singh - GS, ABEU (U.P.)
<ranaps...@gmail.com>, yadvinder gupta <sbpa...@yahoo.com>,

Nagabushana Rao Gurram <gnbr...@gmail.com>, Abhishek Gupta
<agup...@gmail.com>, harish chandra <harishcha...@gmail.com>,

harinarayana sarma nandivada <nhns...@aol.com>, Prabhakar Hebbar

<prabs...@gmail.com>, <hasmu...@gmail.com>, Prashant Sharma -
Meerut <ibeum...@gmail.com>, Rakesh Verma - Jt. Secy. UPBEU, Hathras
<abrk...@gmail.com>, <kdkhe...@gmail.com>, Madan Ji Upadhyay -
UPBEU, Allahabad <madanup...@yahoo.com>, K.K. Tiwari
<kktiwa...@rediffmail.com>, K.N. Kaushik - Lalitpur
<k.n.ka...@gmail.com>, lalitajoshi03 <lalita...@gmail.com>,

llguptasaurabh <llgupta...@gmail.com>, <mrgoc...@yahoo.com>,

<nobwc...@gmail.com>, Sundaram Nagarajan <snagar...@gmail.com>,
VISHWANATH NAIK Kedoor <kevi...@gmail.com>, Sunil Ojha
<soj...@gmail.com>, Y P Singh - President, AIABECC
<yps...@gmail.com>, RS Sharma <rssha...@gmail.com>, singh raminder

<raminder...@gmail.com>, YVS Rao <yellamr...@gmail.com>,

Thani Kachalam <tkac...@gmail.com>, Vinayak T

<vinay...@gmail.com>, <saran...@gmail.com>, UPENDRA KUMAR
<upendr...@gmail.com>, Venugopal Cheriyachanaseril
<ceey...@gmail.com>


फोरम आफ बैंक पेंशनर एक्टिविस्टस्
Forum of Bank Pensioner Activists
PRAYAGRAJ
न त्वहं कामये राज्यं  न स्वर्गं नापुनर्भवम्।
कामये दुःखतप्तानां प्रणिनामार्तिनाशनम्॥
           ।। धन्य: अस्मि भारत्वेन ।।

UFBU, BANKS, IBA, DFS,
RETIREES' UNIONS,
ALL THEY WANT MC SINGLA
SLP QUASHED IN SUPREME COURT
TO GET RID OF PENSION REVISION!

Indifferent attitude of UFBU unions regarding pension updating, inept
handling of Pensioner Unions, conspiracy of Banks-IBA- DFS alliance,
the sympathetic statements and assurances of the Hon'ble Finance
Minister proving to be meaningless and hollow, the courts accepting
the facts, evidences & circumstances, but still instead of giving the
verdict, the petitioner being again directed to represent to the
management - something it is like handing the goat back to the
butcher- these are some of the circumstances which raise one question
after another as to how many hurdles and difficulties a lone
pensioner, that too at the slack of his age, is facing to get his
right & entitlement?


1986 and today 2022, we are aware of an age. The banking trade union
era has also crossed 76. Went from the era of court proceedings to the
era of bilateral talks and the situation now is strange. Earlier the
stubbornness of the management used to push the unions in the courts
and today the management and unions together are pushing the
employees, officers, pensioners to the courts.


Unions were formed to fight the management. The Bankmen never imagined
that they would one day have to fight with a coalition of
Management-Unions. Obviously, the Bankmen have neither the machinery
nor the resources to fight against this almighty alliance. There is
also no time to mobilize effective mechanisms and resources for this.
The unions did not remove any of the distortions, whether it was in
pension or in wage pacts. Someone stood alone in the courts and fought
for them. Though someone fought alone, but the benefits reached to all
similarly place Bankmen.


Even today people are embroiled in courts at various places. All the
cases are for common causes, but the fight has been alone. People are
standing outside being a spectator. No one is ready to come forward
and help. It's a pity when we see M.C. Singla's SLP pending in the
Supreme Court, which is purely for pension revision demand, no
pensioner Union, i.e. AIBPARC-AIBRF, is ready to go ahead and implead
itself as an interested party even though they have substantial
economic potential. If the economic capacity is weak, then on their
appeal, pensioners are ready to contribute lakhs of rupees. Knowing
all this, their standing at a distance is like standing away of the
operating Unions/ UFBU and saying:

“The long pending demand of
pension updation is to be
fulfilled and surely to be
achieved, but it will take
some time as we are
surrounded by adversity."


We asked the one question to UFBU that if this SLP is rejected in the
Supreme Court then how will they get the demand for pension revision
fulfilled? We have asked the same question to the Honorables of
AIBRF-AIBPARC. As is well known, the highheadedness of leaders of
these organizations make them feel disgraced  to answer the big
questions from the ordinary Bankmen. Here, we find AIBRF & AIBPARC
along with UFBU, IBA, DFS, MOF standing clubbed in the Supreme Court
against SLP in question. Their motive is one and only one to get SLP
quashed to get rid of pension revision for ever.

पेंशन अपडेटिंग को लेकर आपरेटिंग यूनियनों की बेरुखी, पेंशनर यूनियनों का
नाकारापन, बैंकों-आईबीए गठजोड़ के षडयंत्र, डी.एफ.एस. की बंद आंखें और
सिले ओठ,  बेमतलब और खोखला साबित होते माननीय वित्तमंत्री के हमदर्दिया
बयान एवं आश्वासन, अदालतों की तारीख पर तारीख, तथ्यों को स्वीकार करते,
सही मानते फिर भी फैसले देने के बजाय याची को फिर से प्रबंधन को
प्रतिवेदन करने के निर्देश -कुछ वैसा ही है, जैसे बकरे को फिर से कसाई के
हाथ सौंपना- आदि ये कुछ ऐसे हालात हैं, जो एक के बाद एक सवाल खड़ा करते
हैं कि एक किता पेंशनर को, वह भी अपनी उम्र की ढलान पर, अपना अधिकार पाने
के लिए कितनी  बाधाओं और मुश्किलों का सामना करना पड़ रहा है?

1986 और आज 2022, हम एक उम्र से वाकिफ हैं। बैंकिंग ट्रेड यूनियन का दौर
भी 76 पार कर चुका है। अदालती कार्यवाइयों के दौर से तौबा करते
द्विपक्षीय वार्ता के दौर में आये और अब जो स्थिति है वह विचित्र है।
पहले मैनेजमेंट का हठ यूनियनों को अदालतों में ढकेलता था और आज मैनेजमेंट
और यूनियनें मिल कर कर्मचारियों, अधिकारियों, पेंशनरों को अदालतों में
ढकेल रहीं हैं।

मैनेजमेंट से लड़नें के लिए यूनियनें बनीं थीं। बैंककर्मियों ने कभी सोचा
भी नहीं था कि उन्हें एक दिन मैनेजमेंट-यूनियनों के गठबंधन से लड़ना
होगा। जाहिर है, इस गठबंधन के खिलाफ लड़ने के लिए बैंककर्मियों के पास न
तंत्र है और न संसाधन। इसके लिए कारगर तंत्र और संसाधन जुटाने का समय भी
नहीं है। पेंशन हो या वेतन/सेवा शर्तों का समझौता, जितनी भी विकृतियां
आईं, उसे यूनियनों ने दूर नहीं किया। उनको लेकर कोई अकेला अदालतों में
खड़ा हुआ और लड़ा। लाभ तो सबको मिला, लेकिन लड़ा कोई अकेले।

आज भी लोग अदालतों में जगह-जगह उलझे हुए हैं। सब प्रकरण कामन हैं, पर लड़
कोई अकेला रहा है। लोग बाहर खड़े तमाशबीन बने हुए हैं। कोई आगे आकर मदत
करनें को तैयार नहीं होता। अफ़सोस तो तब होता है, जब हम पाते हैं कि
सर्वोच्च न्यायालय में विचाराधीन एम.सी. सिंगला की SLP, जो विशुद्ध रूप
से पेंशन रिवीजन की मांग को लेकर है, कोई पेंशनर यूनियन, अर्थात
AIBPARC-AIBRF, आगे बढ़कर खुद को एक इंटरेस्टेड पार्टी के रूप में
इम्प्लीड होने को तैयार नहीं है, जबकि उनके पास पर्याप्त आर्थिक क्षमता
है। आर्थिक क्षमता कमजोर है तो उनकी अपील पर लाखों रुपया पेंशनर्स योगदान
करने को तैयार हैं। यह सब जानते हुए, उनका दूर खड़े रहना वैसा ही है,
जैसे UFBU यूनियनें दूर खड़ी हैं और कहतीं हैं:

"पेंशन अद्यतनीकरण की लंबे समय से
लंबित मांग को पूरा किया जाना है और
निश्चित रूप से हासिल किया जाना है,
लेकिन इसमें कुछ समय लगेगा क्योंकि
हम प्रतिकूल परिस्थितियों से घिरे हुए हैं।"

UFBU से हमनें यही सवाल पूछा कि यदि सर्वोच्च न्यायालय में यह SLP निरस्त
हो जाती है तो वे पेंशन  रिवीजन की मांग कैसे हासिल करेंगे? यही सवाल
हमनें AIBRF-AIBPARC के मान्यवरों से भी पूंछा है। जैसा सर्वविदित है, इन
संगठनों का गुरूर इतना ऊंचा है कि वे सामान्य बैंककर्मियों के बड़े
सवालों का जवाब देना अपनी तौहीन समझते हैं। यहां हम UFBU सहित AIBRF व
AIBPARC को  IBA, DFS, MOF के साथ SLP के विरुद्ध सर्वोच्च न्यायालय में
एकजुट खड़े पाते हैं। उनका मकसद सिर्फ और सिर्फ पेंशन रिवीजन की मांग से
हमेशा के लिए छुटकारा पाने के लिए एसएलपी को रद्द करवाना है !

( J. N. Shukla)
National Convener
20.9.2022
9559748834

[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

[kds nair]

Who is interested in the constitution of IBA?We want updation.So we have to pressurise individual banks to give mandate to IBA to initiate process for the same.

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[Rajamani Srinivasan]

Pension Rules Must Be Interpreted In Favour Of Employee When More Than One Interpretation Is Possible : Supreme Court'

https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/supreme-court-pension-rule-interpretation-employee-favour-state-of-rajasthan-vs-o-p-gupta-2022-livelaw-sc-785-209922

[Paul Wilson]

Have they ever done it other than making such observation? 

Paul

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 10:16 Rajamani Srinivasan <sraja...@gmail.com> wrote:

Pension Rules Must Be Interpreted In Favour Of Employee When More Than One Interpretation Is Possible : Supreme Court'

https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/supreme-court-pension-rule-interpretation-employee-favour-state-of-rajasthan-vs-o-p-gupta-2022-livelaw-sc-785-209922

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[Krishnamurthy V]

Age shall bring maturity to the writers.  IBA is legal, an agent body appointed by bankers. Trade Union provisions are allowing such bodies to negotiate and discuss with the collective body of the trade unions also. 

In fact, many are holding the feet of Madam Nirmala Sitraraman, as though she is the goddess of grants. She bluffs that she has directed IBA. High powers are the biggest DRAMA

 companies. 

Can we take a decision that WE WILL NOT VOTE TO THE PARTIES WHO ARE REFUSING TO SUPPORT OUR DEMAND FOR PENSION REVISION?  WE CAN APPROACH, MPS AND MLAs of your local charter and submit to him, that we will boycott the PARTIES or MEMBERS , if they do not support our demand, 500 MPs, we can approach in their hometown. ASK them sign a memorandum and hand it over to us. 

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[Srinivasan Badri]

sir, It is for the court to consider 

 Every  judgement  is dependent on the circumstances of the  case.  It may  not be tagged  though  a very authentic  observation.

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

Mr.Krisnamurthy

Has FM passed any directions to the IBA and Unions not to discuss updation? In parliament she said if IBA sends a proposal it will be discussed. The same govt has sanctioned OROP to defense personnel and approved proposal submitted by RBI and Nabard boards for Updation. She has also approved family pension proposal submitted by IBA that too with 6 months prior date.

Does our unions have any clarity on Updation formula and addressing 100% DA issue of pre 2002 retirees? Has any serious discussion started between IBA and Unions? Why should we blame FM, if AIBEA chief himself says that there are no funds for updation, without disclosing cost details. If IBA refuses to have any discussion Unions can directly approach FM, Start agitations and simultaneously approach judiciary also. RBI pension regulations also did not have provision for updation.  Unions have to take up updation issue seriously with IBA and ensure that a proposal is sent to  DFS for their consideration. IF  we expect that union leaders  to relax at their AC office and FM should come to their doors and hand over updation letter, that just will not happen. Like RBI, Nabard employees and retirees, our leaders also should work hard for updation instead of blaming FM.

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[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

Sir regarding UPDATION of PENSION why  UFBU. and IBA are giving two answers to one ❓ question. Retirees demand is updation of pension. For this they say  no UPDATION clause in pension regulations and there is no funds to revise the pension . There is no necessity neither to the unions nor  to IBA to say that there is no funds to revise pension, simply they can say that there is no UPDATION clause in pension regulation. All are playing with the life of pensioners. We cannot see this type of UNION leaders anywhere. It is the fate of bank employees.

Shame to say about unions in BANK

On 14-Sep-2022 6:50 PM, "Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi" <doctordh...@gmail.com> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 2:54 PM
Subject:
To: bank officers <aibo...@gmail.com>, satish arora
<skar...@gmail.com>, Manohar lal Arora <mlaro...@gmail.com>,
Siddalingappa A K <sid_...@yahoo.co.uk>, Vedavyasa Acharya
<acharyav...@gmail.com>, <aib...@gmail.com>, ALL INDIA BANK
OFFICERS Confederation <aiboc...@gmail.com>, Rakesh Verma - Jt.
Secy. UPBEU, Hathras <abrk...@gmail.com>, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi
<doctordh...@gmail.com>, K R BUNKAR <k.r.bun...@gmail.com>,

<bms...@gmail.com>, <bhardwaj....@gmail.com>, Deep Kr. Bajpai -

VP, UPBEU <absa...@gmail.com>, Banwari Lal Maheshwari

<jagdish...@gmail.com>, Lal Chand - Federal Bank
<lalch...@gmail.com>, <md....@bankofbaroda.com>, Office of Tejasvi
Surya <con...@tejasvisurya.in>, <c...@iba.org.in>, CHAIRMAN SBI
<chai...@sbi.co.in>, <chai...@iba.org.in>,
<cmd...@indianbank.co.in>, LakshmanRao Kantamsetti
<contac...@gmail.com>, harish chandra
<harishcha...@gmail.com>, <d...@iba.org.in>,

<dbc2...@gmail.com>, Danendra Jain <dkjai...@gmail.com>, Faujdar
Dubey <faujda...@gmail.com>, Dau Dayal Varshney

<varsh...@gmail.com>, <ed....@bankofbaroda.com>, <sec...@nic.in>,

<fbo...@gmail.com>, Kedar Shah - Farrukhabad <kedar...@gmail.com>,

A.K. Kool - Faizabad <koolar...@gmail.com>, Thomas Franco
<ngcf...@gmail.com>, federal bank employees union aluva
<fbe...@gmail.com>, madan lal Gupta <mlge...@gmail.com>,

<gsno...@gmail.com>, <gsnob...@gmail.com>, Rana Pratap Singh - GS,
ABEU (U.P.) <ranaps...@gmail.com>, yadvinder gupta
<sbpa...@yahoo.com>, Nagabushana Rao Gurram <gnbr...@gmail.com>,

<governo...@nic.in>, Abhishek Gupta <agup...@gmail.com>,
<hasmu...@gmail.com>, harinarayana sarma nandivada

<nhns...@aol.com>, Prabhakar Hebbar <prabs...@gmail.com>,

Prashant Sharma - Meerut <ibeum...@gmail.com>, Madan Ji Upadhyay -
UPBEU, Allahabad <madanup...@yahoo.com>, <kdkhe...@gmail.com>,
VISHWANATH NAIK Kedoor <kevi...@gmail.com>, K.N. Kaushik - Lalitpur

<k.n.ka...@gmail.com>, lalitajoshi03 <lalita...@gmail.com>,

llguptasaurabh <llgupta...@gmail.com>, <mosfi...@nic.in>,
<m...@pnb.co.in>, <mrgoc...@yahoo.com>, Sundaram Nagarajan
<snagar...@gmail.com>, <nobwc...@gmail.com>, Sunil Ojha
<soj...@gmail.com>, Pradip Biswas <pradi...@yahoo.co.in>, Y P Singh
- President, AIABECC <yps...@gmail.com>, KUMAR ARVIND
<presiden...@gmail.com>, <rssha...@gmail.com>, singh raminder

<raminder...@gmail.com>, YVS Rao <yellamr...@gmail.com>,

Thani Kachalam <tkac...@gmail.com>, K.K. Tiwari
<kktiwa...@rediffmail.com>, Vinayak T <vinay...@gmail.com>,

<saran...@gmail.com>, UPENDRA KUMAR <upendr...@gmail.com>,

<ufbu...@gmail.com>, Venugopal Cheriyachanaseril

<ceey...@gmail.com>


फोरम आफ बैंक पेंशनर एक्टिविस्टस्
Forum of Bank Pensioner Activists
PRAYAGRAJ
न त्वहं कामये राज्यं  न स्वर्गं नापुनर्भवम्।
कामये दुःखतप्तानां प्रणिनामार्तिनाशनम्॥
           ।। धन्य: अस्मि भारत्वेन ।।

"Congratulations and best wishes.
Hoping, your stay in Prayagraj will
be pleasant and enjoyable.
Praying, May Maa Ganga wash
away all your sins and malices.."
(10.9.2022)

“The long pending demand of
pension updation is to be
fulfilled and surely to be
achieved, but it will take
some time as we are
surrounded by adversity."

(10.9.2022)


PRAYAGRAJ, Sept.10:
"I am Allahabad, the cornerstone of the Bank Employees Movement. I am
the State of first 'Bank Employees Union', which has written the
document of the bank employees' movement of the country. I am the
Founding State Organization of AIBEA. I am Uttar Pradesh, it is our
habit to live lazily. My morning is Banaras. I am Sham-e-Awadh of
Lucknow. I am Ayodhya, I am Kashi and I am Mathura of Sanatana. Once
we included Uttarakhand. I am the 'resolution' of 1964 of 'Bilaterizm'
in Banking on which 11 stairs have been established so far. I am
today's Prayagraj. I am the confluence of the Ganga-Yamuna and the
invisible Saraswati. I am the penance place of Maharishi Bharadwaj
Muni. I am the abode of the twelfth Madhavas. I am the Oxford of the
East. I am the epicenter to shake the foundation of British rule. I am
a witness to the indomitable courage of Azad Chandra Shekhar, who
martyred himself with his last bullet, making the soil of Prayag
bloody with his blood, every particle of it became the message of the
revolutionaries of the country. I am the land of respect."

Friends, Venkatachalam might not be aware of the rich and long
heritage of Allahabad or UP. He is inspired by shoe city Agra only.
Hope, he notes that Allahabad is unforgettable land for nation and
people and the undersigned is proud to be of Allahabad.

That is why having come to know that he was coming to Prayagraj, we
wrote in the first paragraph of our mail dated 10.9.2022 addressed to
him as under :

"Congratulations and best wishes. Hope your stay in Prayagraj will be
pleasant and enjoyable. Praying, May Maa Ganga wash away all your sins
and malices.."

Allahabad had to be mentioned a little as above, because
Venkatachalam, while speaking in an event organized in his
'Mahima-Mandan'/ 'glorification' mentioned 'Allahabad' in sarcasm.
Those who have no history are jealous of the others history. Those who
have no pride are jealous of the pride of others. And, those who don't
know his father, they suffer from the guilt of having no father. In
English it is called something like bastards. Sarcasm on Allahabad is
like that for them.

It was his anguish, which he did not hesitate to express, about the
issues of bank pensioners and working bankers.

The wound was fresh. Our mail arrived at 9.37 on 10.9.2022, when he
was swinging in imaginations, as to how was he going to be
felicitated. The English and Hindi versions of this mail have already
been circulated. If you haven't  read it, read it first so that the
whole situation can be understood properly.

Here, it is necessary to mention two important developments of the
recent past as an example.The first incident was Venkatachalam's
address at the Maha Gujarat Bank Employees Union, Ahmedabad in which
he cursed the bank pensioners for more than 14 minutes and the second
incident was the general body meeting of all Pensioner Unions of
Ahmedabad in the same Ahmedabad city on 28.8.2022. A 48-minute speech
by Bandlish addressing Pensioners totally go ridiculing Pensioners.
Here we shall not comment on their speeches again, for we have already
done that. All we would like to say is that on these occasions both of
them cursed the bank pensioners badly, thrashed them for going to
courts, social media, funding propositions and ridiculed seniors,
super seniors in unbecoming terms and terminologies. They were
trampling the pensioners like IBA, management's lawyer.

We thought that he would repeat the same thing in Allahabad also and
there was befitting arrangement to repulse any such attempt, but by
the grace of God, such an opportunity did not come and no untoward
incident happened. If the pensioners were to be blamed  anyway, there
was potential of 'Rang Mein Bhang'. He might had it realized and
feared it too. Or, it may be that the changing scenarios around
pension have forced him to change his earlier views and take up a new
role. He is known for changing colour more better than chamelians.

Speaking in his "Mahima-Mandan" program, without naming anyone, he
said something like this in relation to our day to day VOICE in the
the pensioners' issues:

“The long pending demand of pension updation is to be fulfilled and
surely to be achieved, but it will take some time as we are surrounded
by adversity.

"In order to eliminate discrimination in fund management of pension
funds, which are not giving the actual benefit of pension, restoration
of old pension in place of NPS is the last resort and we have to fight
for that too."

He was quite cool & composed. Was it real or a strategic ploy, it will
be too early to comment upon. But, he didn't repeat Ahmedabad. Same
way he appeared in Lucknow on 11th September.

WARNING:

All Activists, Bank Employees - working and retired, their Groups,
Associations etc. should not go by the above quoted statement of
Venkatachalam. Bankmen be careful. He is the man to make such
statements from time to time to reduce the tension and distress. This
may be an attempt to divert Bankmen attention. He is in deep despair,
under stress, because every day he is being exposed and his
credibility is being eroded, his empire is trembling. He is running
away from reality. He has become "kimkartavya-vimoorh". He is not
hesitant to deceive even his henchmen. All his words are bundles of
lies. He is trying to please the angry and aggrieved working and
retired Bankmen with false assurances. He has no explanation for his
failures. He has run away from the struggle and knows that he is not
in a position to achieve anything. All his organizations are crumbling
& fighting a war of supremacy among themselves. The bigger the fund in
the union, the bigger the fight. He is engaged in protecting himself
by engaging all others in beast f his people head logging.

Yes, We Will Win. It's our tag-line. Continue your dedicated
endeavours that will never go waste. Defeat their divisive approach by
all force. Stick to RBI revision. Fight back the dogmatism of funding,
hold the pragmatism of revision.

(J. N. Shukla)
National Convener

12.9.2022
9559748834

[Mani B]

Dated 27th September 2022

Mail No.2/2022/UFBU / HI

From

N.R. Ayyappan

Ex Syndicate Bank

Now Canara Bank 

9443045758

nochur....@gmail.com

To

Mr. C.H. Venkatachalam

General Secretary

A I B E A 

Mr. Sanjeev K Bandlish

General Secretary

N C B E

Mr. O P  Sharma

General Secretary

I N B E F

Mr. Manmohan Das

General Secretary

N O B W

Dear Leaders, 

This has reference to your Circular dated 24-09-2022 signed by Leaders of Four Unions, namely the  AIBEA, NCBE, INBEF and NOBW with Main Title as "Discussions with IBA on Residual Issues".

Referring to your Paragraph 14- Titled as "Improvement in Medical Insurance Scheme and Reduction in Premium for Retirees" 

Your statement read as " The IBA has informed that the process of Renewal for the ensuing period 2022-23 has already been completed" - 

WHAT does this Mean? Was the Renewal Process  Discussions held ONLY Between the IBA and the National Insurance Company  ? 

Your statement further read as "but would continue it's efforts to fine- tune of the policy which will result in reduction in premium" - 

WHAT efforts are YOU going to take for FINE-TUNE the Policy  ? 

The Premium has SKY ROCKETED to an Exorbitant Level and Now YOU are going to FINE TUNE the Policy ! HOW  ? 

Instead of allowing the National Insurance Company to QUOTE such HIGH PREMIUM, without Valid Documentary Evidences ( as to presume so, since no such records are published for the perusal of the insured members) , YOU should have ENSURED proper verification of the Claim Experience in Rupees and the ICR, before Releasing the Renewal Premium. 

HOW ARE YOU going to FINE TUNE the Policy  ? You are, talking about this FINE TUNING for Quite some time !!!! SPELL OUT for the RETIREES to Know Details of your "OPERATION FINE TUNING". 

Your statement further read as  "OUR Suggestion for option to Retirees to include their parents by paying additional premium would be taken up with the Insurance Company" 

There was a Caption of a Sinking Ship seriously storing water in the Lower Deck, for the Passengers to take bath, while the SHIP continued to SINK in the Ocean and the fate of all Passengers in the ship was on the verge of a Disaster by way of drowning in the Sea. Dear Leaders, Your suggestion of Providing a Health cover for the Parents of Retirees is one such action. The Retirees , all Senior and Super Senior Citizens,  many of them are perhaps on the verge of their Last leg of Life Cycle living in unbearable Distress, Depression and Mental Agony. You seem to be Either Enjoying by "heart and soul" hurting the sentiments of the Old Generation or You seem to be lacking  the sense called "Application of Mind". 

Decide Yourself and Option is YOURS. 

With regard to your suggestion of inclusion of Parents of Retirees, perhaps most of whom are presently living in Heaven may be Viewed only as YOUR TIRELESS EFFORTS in Trying to procure MORE PREMIUM INCOME for the Insurance Company than Doing Justice to Your Own Colleagues who worked in the Banking Industry. 

You seem to have made a Suggestion for Graded Bed Charges  Presumably to give More Monetary Benefit to the Insurance Company

You seem to have made a Suggestion for Capping for Certain Diseases, Presumably to give More Monetary Benefit to the Insurance Company. 

You seem to have made a Suggestion to Bring out certain Diseases out of the scheme, with Coverage through Additional Premium, Presumably to give More Monetary Benefit to the Insurance Company. 

You never seemed to have Taken  Up the Issue of Providing the LEGITIMATE OPTION to choose a Single Person Policy by a Retiree whose Spouse is Alive, presumably to Ensure More Premium Income to the Insurance Company. 

You never seemed to have Taken  up the Issue of Providing a suitable Super Top Up Policy for those Financially Weaker Retirees, thus forcing them to buy a  Minimum Base cover of Rs.3 Lakhs whether it is Possible or not. Such a Discrimination is to be Presumed as your Intention to Ensure More Premium Income to the Insurance Company. 

You always seemed to keep  "QUITE"  without initiating any Sincere and  Constructive action plan well in advance, to Ensure that all Changes in Policy conditions and Premium Revision are Released by the Insurance Company THREE MONTHS ahead as per Policy Contract. Thus it is to presume that You Ensured in NOT providing an opportunity  for the Retirees to Look for alternate Policies.  Thus, it is to presume that, You ENSURED all the Retirees are staying back with the IBA Policy due to paucity of time even to think about alternate options, thus Ensuring the Insurer is not Losing their Premium Income. 

Right from the Year 2015 onwards, the Insurance Company was INCREASING  THE PREMIUM in an Exorbitant Level , Quoting a HIGH ICR in certain "Percentages". YOU NEVER seemed to have Taken  any Serious Efforts to Check the Genuineness of the High Claim as Reported by the Insurance Company in a "Percentage Basis" and thus the Renewal Premium was Hiked Every Year presumably WITHOUT any Objection or Resistance from Your Side. 

With DUE RESPECT and LOVE to our Brothers and Sisters who are still in Service in various Banks, YOU are to ANSWER HOW a Premium+gst of Rs.19730/- For a Sum Insured Cover of Rs.3 Lakhs and a Premium + gst of Rs.26060/-  For a Sum Insured Cover of Rs. 4 Lakhs is DECIDED  ? It is Not a Secret that, under Each Employee, the Number of Persons covered are a Total of SIX PERSONS, which in the normal course include TWO Senior Citizen Persons in the same Age Group as We the Retirees, thus their Health Conditions could be similar to us. NOT OVER, it seems the Serving Employees are Given the Privilege of 100% Domiciliary Treatment Benefit, means Each Employee CAN make CLAIMS without any Hospital Admission upto Rs.3 Lakhs by Award Staff and Rs.4 Lakhs by Officer cadre. Doubt remain as, HOW an Insurance Company Can Manage this, unless they Indulge in  apportion of Premium from the Retiree's Policy to the Serving Employee's Policy  ?  If it was done, Can't  it be PRESUMED as a MISAPPROPRIATION and MANIPULATION of the PREMIUM Collected from the RETIREES? 

DOUBTS Arise, Since neither the Insurance Company nor the IBA and Your Team under UFBU are coming Forward with the TRUTH Behind the Reporting of ICR in a Transparent manner and with clarity. It is to presume that, The Insurance Company is HIKING the Premium Every Year, under the guise of certain ICR RATIO. It is to be presumed that, such Hiking cannot Happen WITHOUT Your Knowledge, Consent and Go ahead Green Signal. 

You are supposed to HELP the Retirees who are Your Own Colleagues, by Providing the Health Insurance Scheme in an affordable manner. 

Your Action, presumably resulting in Helping the Insurance Company to EARN MORE PREMIUM INCOME, through Your suggestion Like an Insurance Cover for the PARENTS of the RETIREES, provided at an ADDITIONAL PREMIUM by the Retirees, could be Presumed as a suggestion from you perhaps with an Ulterior Motive of Helping the Insurance Company ? And are the Retirees to presume that such ILLOGICAL suggestions from you could be with an eye on certain Monetary Benefits from the  Insurance Company  ?🤔. 

Thank You

Yours Truly

N.R. Ayyappan

9443045758

nochur....@gmail.com

Forwarded as received

Bala

[ganpat dhond]

Thanks . You have rightly hit the issue and addressed the same to negotiating unions.

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[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

There is no Union in the world like UFBU worrying about PENSIONERS because most of the retirees are living more than 70 years. For the past 10 years they are calculating actuaries for pension but still not able to get the answer for it. In banks union leaders use the weapon of transfer on employees by using there influence.Because of this employees are not questioning the leaders. Luckily  unions have no power to transfer the retirees otherwise in one night they transfer all retirees to another world. Employees in service fear of TRANSFER  and due to this they never raise their voice against UNIONS.

    12 bps may be a historic one in the banking industry. Unions may help the management to include the clause that pension will be paid only upto the age of 70 only. They got every right to alter PENSION REGULATIONS whenever they like. This wil solve the problems of PENSIONER'S, pensioners need not think about pension revision. This gives more mental relief to the UNIONS and PENSIONERS.

Long live.    BANK UNIONS 

Don't Live Long.     PENSIONER'S

On 28-Sep-2022 6:19 PM, "Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi" <doctordh...@gmail.com> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 11:50 AM
Subject:
To: Vedavyasa Acharya <acharyav...@gmail.com>,
<aib...@gmail.com>, bank officers <aibo...@gmail.com>, Manohar lal
Arora <mlaro...@gmail.com>, Siddalingappa A K
<sid_...@yahoo.co.uk>, ALL INDIA BANK OFFICERS Confederation
<aiboc...@gmail.com>, Rakesh Verma - Jt. Secy. UPBEU, Hathras
<abrk...@gmail.com>, satish arora <skar...@gmail.com>,
Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi <doctordh...@gmail.com>,

<bhardwaj....@gmail.com>, K R BUNKAR
<k.r.bun...@gmail.com>, Deep Kr. Bajpai - VP, UPBEU

<absa...@gmail.com>, Banwari Lal Maheshwari

<jagdish...@gmail.com>, Pradip Biswas <pradi...@yahoo.co.in>,
Lal Chand - Federal Bank <lalch...@gmail.com>, LakshmanRao

Kantamsetti <contac...@gmail.com>, harish chandra

<harishcha...@gmail.com>, Debasish Mukherjee
<mumb...@rediffmail.com>, <dbc2...@gmail.com>, Danendra Jain

<dkjai...@gmail.com>, Faujdar Dubey <faujda...@gmail.com>, Dau

Dayal Varshney <varsh...@gmail.com>, federal bank employees union
aluva <fbe...@gmail.com>, <tks.el...@sansad.nic.in>,

<fbo...@gmail.com>, Kedar Shah - Farrukhabad <kedar...@gmail.com>,
A.K. Kool - Faizabad <koolar...@gmail.com>, Thomas Franco

<ngcf...@gmail.com>, madan lal Gupta <mlge...@gmail.com>,
<gsno...@gmail.com>, <gsnob...@gmail.com>, yadvinder gupta
<sbpa...@yahoo.com>, Rana Pratap Singh - GS, ABEU (U.P.)
<ranaps...@gmail.com>, Abhishek Gupta <agup...@gmail.com>,
Nagabushana Rao Gurram <gnbr...@gmail.com>, harinarayana sarma

nandivada <nhns...@aol.com>, Prabhakar Hebbar

<prabs...@gmail.com>, <hasmu...@gmail.com>, Prashant Sharma -

Meerut <ibeum...@gmail.com>, Madan Ji Upadhyay - UPBEU, Allahabad

<madanup...@yahoo.com>, <kdkhe...@gmail.com>, K.K. Tiwari
<kktiwa...@rediffmail.com>, K.N. Kaushik - Lalitpur
<k.n.ka...@gmail.com>, VISHWANATH NAIK Kedoor <kevi...@gmail.com>,
lalitajoshi03 <lalita...@gmail.com>, llguptasaurabh
<llgupta...@gmail.com>, <mrgoc...@yahoo.com>, Sundaram Nagarajan

<snagar...@gmail.com>, <nobwc...@gmail.com>, Sunil Ojha

<soj...@gmail.com>, Y P Singh - President, AIABECC
<yps...@gmail.com>, KUMAR ARVIND <presiden...@gmail.com>, RS
Sharma <rssha...@gmail.com>, YVS Rao <yellamr...@gmail.com>,
singh raminder <raminder...@gmail.com>, Thani Kachalam
<tkac...@gmail.com>, Vinayak T <vinay...@gmail.com>,

<saran...@gmail.com>, UPENDRA KUMAR <upendr...@gmail.com>,
<ufbu...@gmail.com>, Venugopal Cheriyachanaseril
<ceey...@gmail.com>


फोरम आफ बैंक पेंशनर एक्टिविस्टस्
Forum of Bank Pensioner Activists
PRAYAGRAJ
न त्वहं कामये राज्यं  न स्वर्गं नापुनर्भवम्।
कामये दुःखतप्तानां प्रणिनामार्तिनाशनम्॥
           ।। धन्य: अस्मि भारत्वेन ।।

IT WAS DHARNA,
NOT A CROW-CROWDS


Dear Bro/Sister Pensioners,


√PLEASE AVOID CONFUSION.

√IDENTIFY MAIN ISSUES
CORRECTLY.

√DEBATE ON FUND POSITION IS UNDESIRABLE, HENCE AVOID.

√NO REVISION CLAUSE IS
BASELESS IBA-UFBU EXCUSE

√PENSIONERS & WORKING
PENSIONERS ISSUES ARE:

√PENSION, D.A. & PERIODICAL
PENSION REVISION

✓✓DISCIPLINED  &  SERIOUS
      A C T I O N S   N E E D E D


There are some basic things that every responsible bank pensioner and
working bank employees should take as a precautionary note. The
biggest need is to avoid self confusion and save others. Confusion is
a big garbage, which creates infection among us, makes our thinking
ill. Present facts and figures responsibly. Do not share any post
without reading and without its official authenticity. One more thing,
those who issue the post must give their name, place and mobile
number.

Secondly, the identification of the issues is important, not the
interpretation. It should be understood that in few words the nature
of demands is easy to understand. From the point of view of counting
the number of issues, one should avoid making the same issue as many
issues. For instance, on the lines of RBI, pension revision and
reforms is a full-fledged subject. It contains 100% DA. Neutralization
and central pension reforms are covered, including the issue of
equality.

In fact the followings are the four major demands of bank pensioners:

✓ Pension Revision & reforms on RBI On      Line.

✓ Minimum health insurance at the cost      of the bank.

✓ Other benefits including pension on
    Special Allowance.

✓ Pension option to the Retirees.

What is the need to convert these four demands into fourteen demands?
These demands are clear, precise and complete.

Two videos of 9 and 11 minutes have been seen related to the sit-in
Dharna of AIBPARC on September 26, 2022. Some photographs have also
come. The effort was big. AIBPARC considers itself as a big
organization. Many other organizations were supporting the dharna.
Accordingly, the number of participants should have been bigger.

Secondly, seeing as if it was something like crow-crowds, everyone
seemed eager to stand up and go back just performing the rituals.
Somebody is speaking from Dias, but people were not listening to him.
People were seen standing & gossiping.

The enthusiasm of giving video bytes was amazing. Everyone was driving
in his own gear. If someone was talking about a pension fund of 3.25
lakh crores, then otherone was telling that there would be a burden of
3/4 thousand crores on pension revision, then someone was telling the
income of the pension funds. Somebody said, the current pension fund
is capable of pension revision. These things had no logical basis and
were not even necessary. Somebody was saying that the pension fund is
ours. These are all baseless things. In case of dharnas,
demonstrations, rallies, strikes usually the General
Secretary/President of the organizing organization/s gives a press
release or video byte. The rest listen to them calmly. The issues of
dharnas, demonstrations, rallies are very clear and they are measured
and precise. Here everyone seemed to be a jurist, chartered
accountant, economist and skilled politician, but none a trade
unionist.

Pensioners are entitled only to pension, D.A. and pension revision
from time to time.The fund is a managerial arrangement and since it is
the regulatory obligation of the banks to keep the fund serviceable
for pension, they conduct actuarial calculation of pension funds on
31st March every year to maintain it relative to the current pension
liabilities and in the fund.The shortfall is given by the banks from
their profit and loss account.

The most unfortunate scene showed that on the call of a local, New
Delhi, organization some of its people went with the intention of
opposing this dharna by tying black ribbon. There was a demand of this
organization that AIBPARC should announce its severance with AIBOC and
UFBU in this dharna. This organization is victims of it's failures,
runs in frustration. It does not tolerate the success of others.
Probably no one took notice of their black ribbon protest and these
people too remained silent.

It was a dharna in the name of pensioners. To cooperate or not to
cooperate was a matter of the discretion of the other organisations.
Organizations like AIBRWA, FBPA, MISSION KUBER, NOBW, AIBOA, BMS and
others gave their moral support, cooperation and participated. AIBRWA
General Secretary RS Sharma also addressed the dharna. But, going in
dharna by tying black ribbon in protest was a lousy act. It was the
goodwill of the organizers that they did not thrash & flush such
people out.

Big events are needed in Delhi. Relay hunger Dharna should be the next
step. Unless there are long drawn programs, the solution to the
problem will remain a distant dream. AIBPARC should seriously consider
this and fix a program of relay hunger Dharna lasting for a long time
and all organizations should actively participate and cooperate in it.

(J. N. Shukla)
National Convener

28.9.2022
9559748834

[Mani B]

Tweet by Retd IB GM Bhuthalingam in IBPARA today 

Dear Chandru and Kuppuswamy

I have been thinking on the following lines for a long time and I really don't know the feasibility.The burning issue is t.he astromical increase in the IBA health insurance premium.Whatwver small reimbursement the corporate office gave is also withdrawn.Several postings are seen in various groups on discussions with insurance company's where the premia quoted is less like On HYD CBI PNB the recent decision of Federal Bank etc I also don't know the catch Our IBPARA has huge member base and should be able to sit across with a few insurance companies.i am certain some attempts can be made.Our bank and insurance companies are advocating and justifying reasons stating claim to premium ratio etc .if so how some others are able to strike a deal.we are apprehending that to woo new customers some trick istaking place 

and we don't want to be caught between the devil and deep sea You are all experienced in this to tackle this as in most cases the premium is two months pension and close to one and a half months pension goes away in tax.pl enlighten

Bala

[Sampath AK]

Regards
Sampath

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: R Veera Raghavan <veer...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 7:39 AM
Subject: Re:
To: Vijayaraghavan S <arti...@gmail.com>
Cc: A C Srinivasan <saic...@gmail.com>, Veera Viyaya Raghavan <pkv...@yahoo.com>, Sampath AK <ak.sa...@gmail.com>, Hemalatha Bhandari <hemalathab...@gmail.com>, Ethugiri Sreeram <yadu...@gmail.com>, pelapur venugopal <prve...@yahoo.com>

This is not correct news. Even as this message provides a web link to a source, that source material does not back up this message.

No "All India Tax Payers' Organization" has been formed (under orders of the supreme court) with any powers of granting or withholding approval to any scheme of free electricity, free water or loan waivers, as this WhatsApp report says.

As the news item carried by National Herald (to which a web link is provided by this message) says, all that the supreme court did was to decide to 

"set up an expert group comprising members from the government, Opposition parties, Niti Aayog, Election Commission, Finance Commission and Reserve Bank of India (RBI) to study the impact of freebies being announced by political parties during elections on the economy."

Regards.

RVR

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 20:02 Vijayaraghavan S <arti...@gmail.com> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vijaya Lakshmi <vijayap...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 11:47 PM
Subject:
To: <deepap...@gmail.com>, <arti...@gmail.com>
Cc: <vpsva...@gmail.com>

The Supreme Court yesterday decided to set up a committee to form an All India Association of Taxpayers, which will be the largest association in the world.

  No government, however ruling, can announce free electricity, free water, free distribution or loan waivers for their implementation without the approval of this body.
  Since the money belongs to our tax payers, taxpayers should have the right to monitor its use.
  Political parties will continue to lure the public with free distribution of votes, as it benefits them.  Before any scheme is announced, the government should get the approval of this organization by giving its blueprint.  This should also apply to the salaries and other fringe benefits of MPs and MLAs.
  Is democracy limited to voting?  What rights do we taxpayers have after that?
  Taxpayers should also have the right to hold MPs, MLAs responsible and take disciplinary action against them for obstructing the functioning of Parliament.  They are all "servants", paid for by taxpayers.
  Any 'freebies' like Right to Recall should be implemented soon.
  If you agree please reach out to as many people as possible.  To do this, share the post.
  Send it to at least 10 of your friends.
  Please share this message to go viral.  🙏

  https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/sc-forming-panel-to-examine-issue-of-freebies-by-political-parties-is-burial-by-committee-experts


Sent from my iPhone

[Niranjan Cn]

Sirs,

Please define what is meant by updation you are referring with an example for taking the discussion forward.  Without knowing what updation means - no meaning in discussion.

Niranjan

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[Narayanan Venkateshwaran]

Dear Sir

Your basic is now fixed.Updation is increase in basic

For we pensioners it is supposed to increase after every bipartite settlement done for service employees

Increase in basic happens when basic is raised by some percentage.It also occurs when DA merger is done as per settlement

This stands denied for us 

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[kandala ashok]

With reference to the Webinar of IBA on GMIS, it is suggested that a transcript of it may kindly be provided for the benefit of those who may not be able to comprehend the proceedings.

Ashok Kandala

504, Jagannadh Residency

Mangapuram colony

Shvajipalem

Visakhapatnam-530017

Mob: 9491304684

Alt   : 8309604023

[mohan p]

Dear sir,

Proceedings in IBA webinar held, was on a question and answer method.

Please see the link for the above for information.(recorded version)

https://youtu.be/wd8GElWBKOg

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[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

PENSION UPDATION of retirees is included in 12 BPS and slowly they will dragon to 13 BPS . This is just like operation sucess but pensioners died. They may say pensioners NEVER listen to us and they left the world without seeing UPDATION of pension. and  PENSIONERS are unlucky. 

On 09-Oct-2022 7:51 PM, "Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi" <doctordh...@gmail.com> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 8:36 AM
Subject: Fwd:
To: Siddalingappa A K <sid_...@yahoo.co.uk>, Manohar lal Arora
<mlaro...@gmail.com>, Vedavyasa Acharya
<acharyav...@gmail.com>, <aib...@gmail.com>, Rakesh Verma - Jt.
Secy. UPBEU, Hathras <abrk...@gmail.com>, Deep Kr. Bajpai - VP,
UPBEU <absa...@gmail.com>, A.K. Kool - Faizabad
<koolar...@gmail.com>, Rana Pratap Singh - GS, ABEU (U.P.)
<ranaps...@gmail.com>, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi
<doctordh...@gmail.com>, <bhardwaj....@gmail.com>, K R
BUNKAR <k.r.bun...@gmail.com>, Banwari Lal Maheshwari

<jagdish...@gmail.com>, Lal Chand - Federal Bank

<lalch...@gmail.com>, federal bank employees union aluva
<fbe...@gmail.com>, LakshmanRao Kantamsetti <contac...@gmail.com>,
harish chandra <harishcha...@gmail.com>, Venugopal
Cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com>, Debasish Mukherjee
<mumb...@rediffmail.com>, <dbc2...@gmail.com>, Danendra Jain

<dkjai...@gmail.com>, Faujdar Dubey <faujda...@gmail.com>, Dau

Dayal Varshney <varsh...@gmail.com>, <tks.el...@sansad.nic.in>,

<fbo...@gmail.com>, Kedar Shah - Farrukhabad <kedar...@gmail.com>,

Thomas Franco <ngcf...@gmail.com>, madan lal Gupta
<mlge...@gmail.com>, yadvinder gupta <sbpa...@yahoo.com>,
Nagabushana Rao Gurram <gnbr...@gmail.com>, Abhishek Gupta
<agup...@gmail.com>, harinarayana sarma nandivada
<nhns...@aol.com>, <hasmu...@gmail.com>, Prabhakar Hebbar

<prabs...@gmail.com>, Prashant Sharma - Meerut
<ibeum...@gmail.com>, Madan Ji Upadhyay - UPBEU, Allahabad

<madanup...@yahoo.com>, <kdkhe...@gmail.com>, K.N. Kaushik -
Lalitpur <k.n.ka...@gmail.com>, VISHWANATH NAIK Kedoor
<kevi...@gmail.com>, lalitajoshi03 <lalita...@gmail.com>,
llguptasaurabh <llgupta...@gmail.com>, <mrgoc...@yahoo.com>,
Sunil Ojha <soj...@gmail.com>, Y P Singh - President, AIABECC
<yps...@gmail.com>, RS Sharma <rssha...@gmail.com>, singh raminder

<raminder...@gmail.com>, YVS Rao <yellamr...@gmail.com>,
Thani Kachalam <tkac...@gmail.com>, K.K. Tiwari
<kktiwa...@rediffmail.com>, Vinayak T <vinay...@gmail.com>,
<saran...@gmail.com>, UPENDRA KUMAR <upendr...@gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 8:31 AM
Subject:
To: <ufbu...@gmail.com>, ALL INDIA BANK OFFICERS Confederation
<aiboc...@gmail.com>, chv.aibea <chv....@gmail.com>,
<ncbe...@gmail.com>, Sundaram Nagarajan <snagar...@gmail.com>,
bank officers <aibo...@gmail.com>, <gsno...@gmail.com>,
<gsnob...@gmail.com>, KUMAR ARVIND <presiden...@gmail.com>,
<aibob...@gmail.com>, Pradip Biswas <pradi...@yahoo.co.in>




फोरम आफ बैंक पेंशनर एक्टिविस्टस्
Forum of Bank Pensioner Activists
PRAYAGRAJ
न त्वहं कामये राज्यं  न स्वर्गं नापुनर्भवम्।
कामये दुःखतप्तानां प्रणिनामार्तिनाशनम्॥
           ।। धन्य: अस्मि भारत्वेन ।।

OPEN LETTER TO:

SRI S.K.BANDLISH,
CONVENER,UFBU
& CONSTITUENT UNIONS:


Will you, Bro. Bandalish, and your coterie explain on what grounds you
all have been beating the drums about the paucity of funds for Pension
Revision, when the IBA affidavit in Hon'ble Supreme Court in M. C.
Singla case does not mention the paucity of funds at all as the reason
for not giving pension updation? IBA in its affidavit has clearly
stated that pension revision cannot be claimed as there is no
"updation clause" in the Pension Regulations, 1995.

Why don't you expose the falsification of IBA and state that the
original/amended clause 35(1) of the Pension Regulations, 1995 is
there from the first day of the pension coming into force and has been
complied with? Why don't you ask from IBA, whether clause 35(1) exists
or has been repealed from the Regulations, 1995? If repealed, please
ask them to furnish the details of the Gazette notification.

If it has not been repealed, it is for all lawful purposes as in the
Regulations, 1995, existing and stand effective. Also, if RBI, CCSR
has no meaning in the context of our Pension Scheme, why are they
mentioned in the Pension Regulations, 1995?

The deep silence of you people regarding the Supreme Court case is a
matter of deep concern to the pensioners. By doing this all the unions
of the United Forum have stood in favor of IBA.

Even earlier, we have had sent an open letter to you regarding the
concerns of the pensioners, urging to take the Supreme Court matter
seriously and persue pension revision case, on which none of you have
taken any action.

Our question remains unanswered even today that if Singla's appeal in
the Supreme Court is dismissed, what will be the fate of pension
revision?

However, now it is clear that you all want to distance yourselves from
Singla case and give free passage to IBA to go unopposed in appeal in
Supreme Court and IBA is now bent upon throwing dust in the eyes of
Supreme Court and says that there is no updation clause in the
Regulations, 1995.There is no whereabouts of the Committee Report and
you guys have remained in companionship with the IBA.

Pensioners are unaware of your strategy in this regard. None amongst
you revealed anything.  Apparently, whatever is visible that confirms
that let what may come, you would remain with IBA.

It's very obnoxious stand, as a trade union with far reaching
ramifications & irreparable consequences affecting large contingent of
retired fraternity. We once again appeal to please review your stand
in this regard and take necessary steps to guard the interest of
pensioners.

Greetings,

(J. N. Shukla)
National Convener

7.10.2022
9559748834

[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

It is high time that all banks must' be privatised to save the banks from the hands of inefficient leaders and all UNION leaders must be necked out in the interest of employees . Then all banks will earn more profits and employees wil also get bonus and pension will be revised automatically without the consent of unions if pension is not revised automatically Government intervens and solve the issues. 

Bank UNIONS are inefficient  if the employees  invest the union subscription in bank  all employees will get few lakhs of amount at the time of retirement. All retired employees have paid subscription to their unions till the retirement but to day the same unions say they are not for retirees. 

On 28-Oct-2022 6:31 AM, Venugopal Cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com> wrote:

<aibo...@gmail.com>, satish arora
<skar...@gmail.com>, Siddalingappa A K <sid_...@yahoo.co.uk>,

Vedavyasa Acharya <acharyav...@gmail.com>, <aib...@gmail.com>,

Manohar lal Arora <mlaro...@gmail.com>, ALL INDIA BANK OFFICERS
Confederation <aiboc...@gmail.com>, KUMAR ARVIND
<presiden...@gmail.com>, <aibob...@gmail.com>,
<bhagwa...@sansad.nic.in>, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi
<doctordh...@gmail.com>, <bhardwaj....@gmail.com>, Deep
Kr. Bajpai - VP, UPBEU <absa...@gmail.com>, Banwari Lal Maheshwari
<jagdish...@gmail.com>, K R BUNKAR <k.r.bun...@gmail.com>, Lal
Chand - Federal Bank <lalch...@gmail.com>, Pradip Biswas
<pradi...@yahoo.co.in>, <md....@bankofbaroda.com>, Office of Tejasvi
Surya <con...@tejasvisurya.in>, <c...@iba.org.in>, Prasad C N
<cn_pr...@yahoo.com>, LakshmanRao Kantamsetti
<contac...@gmail.com>, harish chandra
<harishcha...@gmail.com>, Debasish Mukherjee

<mumb...@rediffmail.com>, <dbc2...@gmail.com>, Danendra Jain
<dkjai...@gmail.com>, Faujdar Dubey <faujda...@gmail.com>,

<tks.el...@sansad.nic.in>, federal bank employees union aluva
<fbe...@gmail.com>, <sec...@nic.in>, <fbo...@gmail.com>, Kedar Shah -
Farrukhabad <kedar...@gmail.com>, A.K. Kool - Faizabad
<koolar...@gmail.com>, madan lal Gupta <mlge...@gmail.com>,
<gsno...@gmail.com>, <gsnob...@gmail.com>, Rana Pratap Singh - GS,
ABEU (U.P.) <ranaps...@gmail.com>, yadvinder gupta

<sbpa...@yahoo.com>, Nagabushana Rao Gurram <gnbr...@gmail.com>,

<hasmu...@gmail.com>, Rakesh Verma - Jt. Secy. UPBEU, Hathras
<abrk...@gmail.com>, harinarayana sarma nandivada
<nhns...@aol.com>, Prabhakar Hebbar <prabs...@gmail.com>,
Prashant Sharma - Meerut <ibeum...@gmail.com>, <i...@nic.in>, Madan Ji
Upadhyay - UPBEU, Allahabad <madanup...@yahoo.com>, Nandakumar c.j
<cjn...@gmail.com>, <kdkhe...@gmail.com>, K.K. Tiwari
<kktiwa...@rediffmail.com>, K.N. Kaushik - Lalitpur
<k.n.ka...@gmail.com>, lalitajoshi03 <lalita...@gmail.com>,

llguptasaurabh <llgupta...@gmail.com>, <mrgoc...@yahoo.com>,

Sundaram Nagarajan <snagar...@gmail.com>, <nobwc...@gmail.com>,
Thomas Franco <ngcf...@gmail.com>, VISHWANATH NAIK Kedoor
<kevi...@gmail.com>, Sunil Ojha <soj...@gmail.com>, Y P Singh -

President, AIABECC <yps...@gmail.com>, RS Sharma
<rssha...@gmail.com>, singh raminder <raminder...@gmail.com>,
YVS Rao <yellamr...@gmail.com>, Thani Kachalam

<tkac...@gmail.com>, Vinayak T <vinay...@gmail.com>, Dau Dayal
Varshney <varsh...@gmail.com>, <saran...@gmail.com>, UPENDRA
KUMAR <upendr...@gmail.com>, Venugopal Cheriyachanaseril
<ceey...@gmail.com>

On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 at 21:36, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi <doctordh...@gmail.com> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>

Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:55 PM
Subject:
To: bank officers <aibo...@gmail.com>, satish arora

<skar...@gmail.com>, Siddalingappa A K <sid_...@yahoo.co.uk>,
Vedavyasa Acharya <acharyav...@gmail.com>, <aib...@gmail.com>,
Manohar lal Arora <mlaro...@gmail.com>, ALL INDIA BANK OFFICERS
Confederation <aiboc...@gmail.com>, KUMAR ARVIND
<presiden...@gmail.com>, <aibob...@gmail.com>,

<bhagwa...@sansad.nic.in>, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi
<doctordh...@gmail.com>, <bhardwaj....@gmail.com>, Deep
Kr. Bajpai - VP, UPBEU <absa...@gmail.com>, Banwari Lal Maheshwari
<jagdish...@gmail.com>, K R BUNKAR <k.r.bun...@gmail.com>, Lal
Chand - Federal Bank <lalch...@gmail.com>, Pradip Biswas
<pradi...@yahoo.co.in>, <md....@bankofbaroda.com>, Office of Tejasvi
Surya <con...@tejasvisurya.in>, <c...@iba.org.in>, Prasad C N
<cn_pr...@yahoo.com>, LakshmanRao Kantamsetti
<contac...@gmail.com>, harish chandra
<harishcha...@gmail.com>, Debasish Mukherjee

<mumb...@rediffmail.com>, <dbc2...@gmail.com>, Danendra Jain
<dkjai...@gmail.com>, Faujdar Dubey <faujda...@gmail.com>,

<tks.el...@sansad.nic.in>, federal bank employees union aluva
<fbe...@gmail.com>, <sec...@nic.in>, <fbo...@gmail.com>, Kedar Shah -
Farrukhabad <kedar...@gmail.com>, A.K. Kool - Faizabad
<koolar...@gmail.com>, madan lal Gupta <mlge...@gmail.com>,
<gsno...@gmail.com>, <gsnob...@gmail.com>, Rana Pratap Singh - GS,
ABEU (U.P.) <ranaps...@gmail.com>, yadvinder gupta

<sbpa...@yahoo.com>, Nagabushana Rao Gurram <gnbr...@gmail.com>,

<hasmu...@gmail.com>, Rakesh Verma - Jt. Secy. UPBEU, Hathras
<abrk...@gmail.com>, harinarayana sarma nandivada
<nhns...@aol.com>, Prabhakar Hebbar <prabs...@gmail.com>,
Prashant Sharma - Meerut <ibeum...@gmail.com>, <i...@nic.in>, Madan Ji
Upadhyay - UPBEU, Allahabad <madanup...@yahoo.com>, Nandakumar c.j
<cjn...@gmail.com>, <kdkhe...@gmail.com>, K.K. Tiwari
<kktiwa...@rediffmail.com>, K.N. Kaushik - Lalitpur
<k.n.ka...@gmail.com>, lalitajoshi03 <lalita...@gmail.com>,

llguptasaurabh <llgupta...@gmail.com>, <mrgoc...@yahoo.com>,

Sundaram Nagarajan <snagar...@gmail.com>, <nobwc...@gmail.com>,
Thomas Franco <ngcf...@gmail.com>, VISHWANATH NAIK Kedoor
<kevi...@gmail.com>, Sunil Ojha <soj...@gmail.com>, Y P Singh -

President, AIABECC <yps...@gmail.com>, RS Sharma
<rssha...@gmail.com>, singh raminder <raminder...@gmail.com>,
YVS Rao <yellamr...@gmail.com>, Thani Kachalam

<tkac...@gmail.com>, Vinayak T <vinay...@gmail.com>, Dau Dayal
Varshney <varsh...@gmail.com>, <saran...@gmail.com>, UPENDRA
KUMAR <upendr...@gmail.com>, Venugopal Cheriyachanaseril
<ceey...@gmail.com>

फोरम आफ बैंक पेंशनर एक्टिविस्टस्
Forum of Bank Pensioner Activists

       (AN ASSOCIATE OF AIBRWA)

                   PRAYAGRAJ
न त्वहं कामये राज्यं  न स्वर्गं नापुनर्भवम्।
कामये दुःखतप्तानां प्रणिनामार्तिनाशनम्॥
           ।। धन्य: अस्मि भारत्वेन ।।

WHERE THERE IS STRONG WILL,
THERE IS VICTORY......


The problems faced by the bank employees are so many that it is
becoming difficult to decide which problem to start with. One thing is
clear that there is no substitute for organization. It is important to
save the organization at all costs. The organization itself determines
the course of struggle and reform.

Organizations have institutional importance. No organization is wrong,
it's stated objectives are welfare. When the organization deviates
from the stated objectives, problems arise and it arises out of
deviant, incompetent and dishonest leadership. The command of any
institution or organization should never be in the hands of dishonest
and unscrupulous persons. The problems of the bankmen is the
leadership of the unions to be in the wrong hands.

The bankmen associated with the organization, are also responsible for
this situation. They chose the wrong men as their leader. The failures
of the leaders, their mistakes and corrupt practices were not
constantly ignored but stamped to be right. Gradually the leadership
became obstinate and so autocratic. Today leaders have become Gods in
themselves. They have been proving wrongs as right and people are
silent in fear. This situation creates authoritarian tendencies among
the leaders. A chain of sycophants has been formed from bottom to top.
The supreme leader of the organization is the octopus and the
sycophants are his paws. The octopus is holding the organization with
its claws.

We have reiterated this point many times that earlier people were
afraid of the management, then unions were formed, leaders became
leaders and the organization became a security cover. Today the bank
employees are afraid of their leaders, not the management. Bankmen
remain silent on the wrong actions and decisions of the leaders
because they fear to be cut off by pointing accusing fingers at the
leaders. People are also seeing that those who do such audacity, the
leaders eliminate them with the help of management.

Secondly, when the difference between the union leader and the
management is erased or eloped, the union leader & management becomes
one inseparable, then the backbone of the union is broken and  the
management acts arbitrarily, harasses and resorts to terror tricks.

For example, the chemistry of Union and management of Central Bank of
India has to be seen. There was no movement in this bank for decades.
There was management-union alliance and give & take culture. Union
become non-existent.  Today, taking advantage of this very weakness,
the management has come down on arbitrariness. Central Bank UNION
never thought to revamp and rejuvenate Union, left it to spineless
yesmen. Management doesn't count President and General Secretary of
the Union. Both are retired. Despite two days of strike, the
management did not budge. And, now the leaders are taking Bankmen of
entire banking on strike to tackle CBI management. In one-day strike
in coming November, the main issue is the Central Bank. In circular
listed problems/ banks are secondary. Leaders are failed to deal & fix
the issues in Central Bank. Notable information is that these two
leaders, President & General Secretary of AICBEF are the General
Secretary & Secretary of AIBEA. Bankmen under AIBEA may draw the
conclusion of their fate. When they are failing in Central Bank, how
they can deliver results at Industry level? They are bad coins trying
to redeem their value. One of them has been in exercise to divide
AIBEA unions, create waring factions simply to retain controlling
position. The question is natural to arise, had there been Central
Bank like problem in PNB, UBI, BOB etc AIBEA would have taken all
India strike decision? Our answer is simple NO.

Netaji being beaten brutally like this and the management pulling his
lungi is like a scene from South pictures.

The ostrich is inexplicably infamous that in the event of a storm, it
buries its head in the sand. There is a continuous storm in the banks
and the bank employees are living 365x24 days with their heads buried
in the sand. In the 10th Settlement, a Special Allowance was carved
out by deducting the Basic Pay,  excluding it from the calculation of
other benefits including pension. No employee, officer inquired,
raised query. No resentment, no protest. Demand of restoring of old
pension is attention diverting trick. Same Unions are engaged in
sterilization of old pension!

In the 11th Settlement, the demand was made to merge the Special
Allowance with the Basic Pay, but on the occasion of the Settlement,
the Special Allowance was increased to 16.4%. Pension reduced from 50%
to 41.8%. Then there was no outrage, no protest among Bankmen.

To question leaders is blasphemy.. To question wrongs is treated as
anti- union act. Under this guise, not only today's generation but
generations to come will also bear the brunt. The discussions and
deliberations have come to end. Don't read otherwise, whatever Netaji
says is only truth.

Even today 6 lakh officers/employees in banks are eligible for old
pension. They too will retire tomorrow, will be called pensioners.
Pension optees participate in meetings, conferences, but do not raise
any question on sterilization of pension or non-revision of pension.
Why? Will they not need pension and pension revision?

DA is on the verge of extinction, but no one raises question. No
question on bonus/ ex-gratia while in Rails it continues. The workload
has become unbearable. Bankmen are working till 7/8 PM at night. The
time of customer service is expanded. We will not say anything on the
comparative position of salary and service facilities. Bank employees
may look what are the salaries or facilities in Central, State
employees, Railways and other public enterprises. There is a lot of
risk and accountability in the banking business, it goes without
saying anything.

After all what is the way?

How much more will the bank workers be beaten?
And, how much will they be exploited?

How will they break free from the grip of the octopus?

Will they be able to save their Unions?

Or, will they continue to surrender?


It's time for self-defense,
to protect self-respect,

Gotta stand..

Change is always painful,
If you want to be free from
ills, you have to bear the pain!


BANKMEN MUST RISE UP!

They should ask their local leaders,
till when will they wipe the shoes of big leaders?

They should ask  big leaders,
how long will they do the brokerage
of IBA ??


History is written even for cowards. Bankmen have been fighters. They
achieved a lot by fighting, but today the future of all bank workers
is in danger due to the betrayal of one or two leaders.


If telling the truth is rebellion, then that is right, we are rebels.
We call for defiance and boycott of strikes.

The organization is asking sacrifice and fight to survive.

The organization is demanding the return of leaders like Prabhatkar,
Parwanaji, Tarakeswarji etc.

Today, there are brokers not leaders in organizations who are
swallowing up the organization. Push the brokers out, this is the
first need to save the organization.

(J. N. Shukla)
National Convener

26.10.2022
9559748834

[Venugopal Cheriyachanaseril]

[Subbaraman R]

You are 100% correct. Employees/Retirees may be ready for agitation but not the shivering leaders and that is why now, alas,  they are now instructing the Retirees to appeal to the Prime Minister for Pension Revision/Updation. Next move may be to prostrate before the FM, who knows their plan of action ? Forget revision/updation and be happy with what you get now. 

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[Jose Tk]

Almost correct.Now the bank employees are slaves to the unions and their leaders. Retired employees of banks are also treated like slaves by the retired bank emploees' unions/associations. I requested to AIBPARC  leaders many time to add the SBT VRS retirees' demand for 5 year notional service as per section 29(5 ) of Pension Regulation Act to  their demand list submitted to IBA and FM. But their Kerala leader Shri.Sreekumar told that it is not possible because  VRS retirees of SBT accepted  the terms of VRS scheme. All of us opted for pension instead of CPF,  even there is no clear clause for pension updation periodically. But we demand,  also  AIBPARC  demand for pension updation? The AIBPARC leaders are cheating SBT VRS retirees.

On Friday, October 28, 2022, Subbaraman R <rsra...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are 100% correct. Employees/Retirees may be ready for agitation but not the shivering leaders and that is why now, alas,  they are now instructing the Retirees to appeal to the Prime Minister for Pension Revision/Updation. Next move may be to prostrate before the FM, who knows their plan of action ? Forget revision/updation and be happy with what you get now. 

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[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

The only UNION against its own retired employees in the 🌎🌍 world is BANK EMPLOYEES UNION . We ashamed to say that we are retired from bank 😂😂😂😂

On 22-Oct-2022 10:25 PM, "Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi" <doctordh...@gmail.com> wrote:

politicians are busy looters. no time.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 5:49 PM <vrsivaram...@yahoo.in> wrote:
>
> PENSION UPDATION of retirees is included in 12 BPS and slowly they will dragon to 13 BPS . This is just like operation sucess but pensioners died. They may say pensioners NEVER listen to us and they left the world without seeing UPDATION of pension. and  PENSIONERS are unlucky.
>

> On 09-Oct-2022 7:51 PM, "Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi" <doctordh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>

> Date: Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 8:36 AM
> Subject: Fwd:

> To: Siddalingappa A K <sid_...@yahoo.co.uk>, Manohar lal Arora
> <mlaro...@gmail.com>, Vedavyasa Acharya
> <acharyav...@gmail.com>, <aib...@gmail.com>, Rakesh Verma - Jt.
> Secy. UPBEU, Hathras <abrk...@gmail.com>, Deep Kr. Bajpai - VP,
> UPBEU <absa...@gmail.com>, A.K. Kool - Faizabad
> <koolar...@gmail.com>, Rana Pratap Singh - GS, ABEU (U.P.)
> <ranaps...@gmail.com>, Dr.Dhananjaya Bhupathi
> <doctordh...@gmail.com>, <bhardwaj....@gmail.com>, K R
> BUNKAR <k.r.bun...@gmail.com>, Banwari Lal Maheshwari
> <jagdish...@gmail.com>, Lal Chand - Federal Bank
> <lalch...@gmail.com>, federal bank employees union aluva
> <fbe...@gmail.com>, LakshmanRao Kantamsetti <contac...@gmail.com>,
> harish chandra <harishcha...@gmail.com>, Venugopal
> Cheriyachanaseril <ceey...@gmail.com>, Debasish Mukherjee

> <mumb...@rediffmail.com>, <dbc2...@gmail.com>, Danendra Jain

> <dkjai...@gmail.com>, Faujdar Dubey <faujda...@gmail.com>, Dau
> Dayal Varshney <varsh...@gmail.com>, <tks.el...@sansad.nic.in>,

> <fbo...@gmail.com>, Kedar Shah - Farrukhabad <kedar...@gmail.com>,

> Thomas Franco <ngcf...@gmail.com>, madan lal Gupta
> <mlge...@gmail.com>, yadvinder gupta <sbpa...@yahoo.com>,
> Nagabushana Rao Gurram <gnbr...@gmail.com>, Abhishek Gupta
> <agup...@gmail.com>, harinarayana sarma nandivada
> <nhns...@aol.com>, <hasmu...@gmail.com>, Prabhakar Hebbar

> <prabs...@gmail.com>, Prashant Sharma - Meerut

> <ibeum...@gmail.com>, Madan Ji Upadhyay - UPBEU, Allahabad
> <madanup...@yahoo.com>, <kdkhe...@gmail.com>, K.N. Kaushik -
> Lalitpur <k.n.ka...@gmail.com>, VISHWANATH NAIK Kedoor
> <kevi...@gmail.com>, lalitajoshi03 <lalita...@gmail.com>,

> llguptasaurabh <llgupta...@gmail.com>, <mrgoc...@yahoo.com>,

> Sunil Ojha <soj...@gmail.com>, Y P Singh - President, AIABECC
> <yps...@gmail.com>, RS Sharma <rssha...@gmail.com>, singh raminder
> <raminder...@gmail.com>, YVS Rao <yellamr...@gmail.com>,

> Thani Kachalam <tkac...@gmail.com>, K.K. Tiwari
> <kktiwa...@rediffmail.com>, Vinayak T <vinay...@gmail.com>,

> <saran...@gmail.com>, UPENDRA KUMAR <upendr...@gmail.com>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: jagat niwas Shukla <jagat.n...@gmail.com>

> Date: Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 8:31 AM
> Subject:

> To: <ufbu...@gmail.com>, ALL INDIA BANK OFFICERS Confederation
> <aiboc...@gmail.com>, chv.aibea <chv....@gmail.com>,
> <ncbe...@gmail.com>, Sundaram Nagarajan <snagar...@gmail.com>,
> bank officers <aibo...@gmail.com>, <gsno...@gmail.com>,
> <gsnob...@gmail.com>, KUMAR ARVIND <presiden...@gmail.com>,
> <aibob...@gmail.com>, Pradip Biswas <pradi...@yahoo.co.in>
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>
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> फोरम आफ बैंक पेंशनर एक्टिविस्टस्
> Forum of Bank Pensioner Activists

> PRAYAGRAJ
> न त्वहं कामये राज्यं  न स्वर्गं नापुनर्भवम्।
> कामये दुःखतप्तानां प्रणिनामार्तिनाशनम्॥
>            ।। धन्य: अस्मि भारत्वेन ।।
>
>

> (J. N. Shukla)
> National Convener

> 7.10.2022
> 9559748834
>
>

[kushal mukhoti]

"Pension updation process is not like plucking mangoes from the tree." Who said this and when?

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

So they do not want to touch the tree and leave it as it is.

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

We must mote that at the time of signing Memorandum of agreement in July 2020 IBA had firmly rejected updation, citing huge costs and UFBU closed the matter stating that we have demanded details of pensioners from IBA.

A positive change happened only after FM advised the IBA chairman and MDs in an open meeting during Nov 2020.  After that FM, in reply to a member's question said if a proposal  is received from IBA it will be considered.

We have nothing personal against CHV or any Union leader.

But instead of every 3 months coming on the face book and saying that cost is high

IBA and UFBU need to come out with actual cost data of various Updation formulas which does not take more than 15 days.

CHV said UFBU. IBA. Govt all are in favour of Updation. The

Sanctioning updation is a different matter, that comes later.

What is preventing IBA and UFBU from  deciding a formula and collecting cost data and making a decision, which does not take more than 2-3 months.

Always talking about cost without discussion  does not help pensioners irrespective of the fact that whether IBA is positive or not.

[Narayanan Venkateshwaran]

Mr.CHV in his key note address had stated that last bipartite settlement cost was rs.8000/ crores and family pension raise made recently cost whopping rs.18000 crores.How come?

It makes it evident that for each bulk outflow a corpus is created to earn that much of interest income.

This implies the fund is being treated as perpetual which  need not be.Fund needs to serve only old scheme pensioners and not beyond that..Hence it is not logical to continue the fund to eternity  

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[Prasad C N]

Dear sir,

Can you provide detailed reasons with instances and facts for your thinking and feelings.  You were an Officer at the time of your retirement. Why should you depend on Unions and its leaders.

Thanking you,

With regards,

Prasad C N

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

Rs.8000 crores  is the actual cost. So what is the actual cost of Family pension Improvement?.

Rs. 20000 crores is provision spread over 5 years. Provision is a as per statutory requirement. CHV said Updation requires .100,000 crore provision. Without deciding the formula for updation, Cost we do not know how he arrived at that figure.

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[Ramakrishnan S]

Chv is making fool of everybody. Useless fellow. Even if Iba wants to make pension improvement,  this fellow will try to block it

 When govt pays pension, it is not out of any profit made. Since pension is a social welfare measure, it is none of chv, s business to talk about profit of banks. The government  is capable of absorbing the loss, if any. 

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

Updation case SLP 5561/2016 in SC. Next hearing date . Likely to be listed on 02.01.2023

[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

It seems our leader is very very fond of mangoes. In his speech he always brings mangoes. Let all leaders enjoy by eating mangoes. If  they  are sugar patients then they  cannot eat it 

Like this   when it is not possible for them to solve the issues of PENSIONER'S , and if they are really trade union leaders they must give way to others who can solve the issues of PENSIONER'S.

I think in my view even to GOD the calculations of actuaries may be more difficulty because our leaders are doing the same work for many years. 

UNIONS  UNITY.    ZINDABAD ZINDABAD

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[Prasad C N]

Dear sir,

You deserve full  appreciation for having inside information from IBA. CHV must also be really powerful, because even retired officers are also expecting workmen union to help them ignoring their own organisation, to which they were paying subscription till retirement.

Thanks,

With regards,

Prasad C N

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

I think some positive development with regard to updation will happen. Whether it is updation, improvement, 100% DA only or just merger of DA@6352, and when it will happen, only UFBU and IBA knows. We will come to know about this on the day when they sign the agreement.

AIBRF and AIBPARC  do not know anything about this but are waiting in the wings to take credit. But I firmly believe whatever improvement that is going to happen would not have been possible without the initiative of Hon. FM.

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[Narayanan Venkateshwaran]

Dear Sir 

I donot fail to see the sarcasm in your writing.I am a small fry to have access to IBA

My jottings are based on the inference from what is happening around.l

I donot have fascination for any organisation or its leader.It is a harsh reality  now that BPS is the IN THING for any favourable settlement for pensioners, and working employees representatives are the negotiators.

In the said context I had mentioned certain  apparent fallacies in approach of  IBA /Union in provision of fund.

As a leader of a retirees commune it would have been nice gesture on your part if  my views had been corrected diplomatically rather than showing outright discontent

Sorry

With regards

Narayanan

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[Prasad C N]

Dear Shri Narayanan,

I was not referring to your write up.  

Thanks, a Million. 

With regards,

Prasad C N

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[JSOMA SHEKARA]

UFBU In its letter  dated 05.11.2022 to IBA mentioned that, unabated inflation, price rise, real wages of Officers and employees eroded and requested IBA to suitably update remuneration package. But there was no mention of pensioners.

UFBU should note that inflation, price rise equally affects pensioners also. particularly pre 2002 pensioners whose basic pension has not been revised even once.

Will UFBU keep up its promise of resolving updation issue before XII BPS talks?

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[R Balaji]

why only pre 2002 retirees ?

updation must be done for all till last settlement retirees

R BALAJI

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[Niranjan Cn]

Sirs.  Why only present?  Future retirees interest also be taken care.   Correct sir ..

Niranjan

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[vrsivaram...@yahoo.in]

CHV says so many stories. He says no money no funds to revise pension and further says there is no updation clause in the settlement. Why he is giving two answers to one ❓ question . Let him say there is no UPDATION clause in pension settlement. Or let him say no money no funds.. Then who is providing fund to wave loans of willful defaulters. Whethe UNIONS are providing funds to banks. 

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