Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I have been proofreading the Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge Deaths for 1800--1911 and have found many Sao Miguel people in the there. Here are a few: 

3 Feb 1800 Mariana, hours old daugh of Antonio da Costa Venancio of S. Miguel & Ana Emilia de Bettencourt

10 Jul 1881 Francisco, 4 mos son of Jose Boaventura Pimentel & Beneranda de Jesus Pinheiro both of S. Miguel

30 Aug 1881 Margarida de Jesus, 77 years old wife of Joao Machado Pereira Barreios, Parents Antonio Francisco & aria de Jesus native of Sao Miguel

16 Mar 1882 Maria, 9 mos. dau of Victorino de Medeiros Caio Serrado & Libania de Jesus of S. Miguel

17 Apr 1883 Margarida, dau of Jose Ventura & Vennanda de Jesus of S. Miguel

There are more and may be more in earlier records. I don't really know why these Sao Miguel people were in Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge but you might want to check the records! 

Rosemarie

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[nancy jean baptiste]

So interesting! I have a line from there!

Nancy Jean

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[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Great find, Rosemarie.   It would be interesting to figure out the reason!

Debbie

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[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I know, why would they go to Santo Amaro? I didn't check the marriage index to see if they married there but who knows? 

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[Rosemarie Capodicci]

OK, I found a marriage for Antonio da Costa Venancio, 1874, Image #2 Santo Amaro. He is from Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel and the son of Elias da Costa Venancio & Mariana de Jesus. Hope someone has him in their tree!! 

 

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[William Seidler]

Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great grandfather was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a few months later, then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I then lost track of him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit said she was still married.

Bill Seidler

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another! 

Rosemarie

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Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great grandfather was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a few months later, then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I then lost track of him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit said she was still married.

Bill Seidler

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[Margaret Vicente]

Rosemarie,

 

There is historical evidence as to why.  To give you a general idea:

 

The Liberal war or The War of the Two Brothers during 1830-1832.

 In 1832, the island of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria were for Miguelist’s [Miguel, the King’s brother] opposed King Pedro, who was in Brazil, while England sat in the throne of Portugal.  Upon King Pedro’s arrival on the island of Terceira and after winning a final battle to take control of Sao Miguel, the island was then flooded by the Kings’ troops from the islands to the West; many of these may have been given incentives by the King to occupy, and so they did.  They also brought over to the island their sweethearts, marrying them while still in the service.  For all those that stayed, some of their children returned to their father’s particular island and started the cycle all over. Also in 1832 the King Pedro, dismantled the religious orders and nationalized their properties and land with the intent to pass it on to the people, however the majority were too poor to afford any of it and it fell through after his death 1834. 

 

From 1800 – to 1880:  WORK

1 - There was the cultivation and great exportation of the Oranges from Ponta Delgada to England.  Many Açorianos from the islands to the West, moved to Sao Miguel occupying all kinds of services, including women.

2 – The construction of the Port of Ponta Delgada – saw another influx

 

Many didn’t travel by their own means in cases like the Landowners with property locations in various islands.  Dr. Ernesto do Canto is a good example I can site.  A few like him would transport their ‘good hands’ back and forth.  Some single ones would end up marrying and started a new life in the respective island.

 

Hope this helps.

Margaret v

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[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Wow, thank you so much, Margaret! How interesting to learn a little more about what was happening on the islands. 

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[George Medeiros]

I was just thinking about people living in the Azores traveling between the islands and wondering how common that travel took place. Recently I found that one of my greats

parents may have lived on Faial in Pedro Miguel. I notice when people are doing research, especially, those who are new at end don’t take into consideration that one family member left one island to marry another on different island. My surname is Medeiros and I have a friend also a Medeiros. My most recent Medeiros side is from Fenais de Ajuda, Riberia Grande and Arrifes, Sao Miguel but my friend’s Medeiros line is from Terceira. So we just dismissed any common ancestors at least in recent times. 

Anyway I found this very interesting  about the death records. George Medeiros

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[Rosemarie Capodicci]

It always astounds me how much they went back and forth between islands. I even found some greats marrying on Terceira when the groom was from Calheta and the bride from Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge!! Why would they take a boat to Terceira to get married, I'll never know but it's really a question I've asked myself. 

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[Cheri Mello]

I guess it's time to reread the Guill book! Thanks for the historical background, Margaret.

I know that Terceira had the military base and so those that served there may have brought a girl back to their native island.

I also know that the Flores people have Sao Miguel ancestry - from DNA. I don't know that it's in the early 1800s and I don't know anyone who has made the connection yet. I kinda thought that the Flores and Sao Miguel thing was from the 1700s, but maybe not. Definitely needs more investigation.

Cheri Mello
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[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

So interesting, Margaret!   I knew there should be a reason.  :)

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