Manuel Furtado (1750s-1813) & Marianna da Trindade (1750s-1823) of Vila Franca & Ponta Garca

[Cheri Mello]

To those who descend from Manuel Furtado (born c. 1750s probably Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca) and Marianna da Trindade (born c. 1750s in São Pedro in Vila Franca)...This couple had  a bunch of kids (one baptized at SMA and one baptized at S.Pedro in VFranca, with the rest born in Ponta Garca). 

I pulled the dispensations for Sao Miguel island from 1770-1775. Only 3 exist and none are Manuel and Marianna. So I checked to see if any of their kids married cousins so I could pull those dispensations. Not a single kid married a cousin! Where's a cousin when you need one? So I decided to move on to the grandkids of Manuel & Marianna. I don't have ALL the grandkids though.

If you are Manuel & Marianna descendant, can you check your database and see what you have on your branch for grandkids or great-grandkids of Manuel & Marianna? If the grandkid or great-grandkid married a cousin, I will pull the dispensation and maybe we can solve the mystery of who Manuel & Marianna's parents are. I don't have the time to research grandkids and great-grandkids all myself to figure out who married a cousin.

My time here is tricky between performances and just other stuff that comes up with traveling groups. So the sooner you can check your databases, the sooner I can make plans to pull the dispensations. It may take 2 days for retrieval, so the sooner the better.

Thanks, Cheri

[JR]

Found one, sent it to you.

JR

[Cheri Mello]

OK Ponta Garca researchers...I need you to open your genealogy programs and search for Manuel Furtado (MF) & Marianna da Trindade (MT). I need more than one descendant couple to search on. The dispensations are VERY hit and miss. There are many missing dispensations. Just because JR gave me one couple to search (they are 2nd cousins...So the line WILL go beyond MF & MT) doesn't mean that the dispensation exists anymore. The more descendants that I have, the more chances we have to figure out the parents of MF and MT. Please look. I have only today (Fri) and Tuesday to look. And that's only if I can escape from these band people! Lol I will escape, but I want to be successful in the search. Thanks, Cheri

[Altino Demelo]

I would think you have these already, but in case you don’t have your computer with you

Justina de Piedade m Eminegildo

Ponta Garca

05 Jan 1813

Antonio da Costa m Josefa de Jesus

Antonia de Trinidad m Francisco da Costa Carneiro

Ponta Garca 

14 Sept 1809

Ana de Espírito Santo m Francisco de Mello Barboza

Ponta Garca 

08 Nov 1813

Sent from my iPhone

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[Cheri Mello]

Hi Altino,

Those are the children of Manuel Furtado & Mariana da Trindade. None of the kids married their cousins, so there's no dispensation to pull. So I'm after the grandkids. I don't have ALL the grandkids in my computer. So I need a GRANDCHILD who hopefully married a cousin. Maybe a GREAT-GRANDCHILD. The kids did not marry cousins. Rats!  Cheri

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[Cheri Mello]

Good news and bad news.

Good:

Looks like there are more dispensations in the early 1800s than the 1700s. Gaps still exist though.

Bad:

Ok, the one grandkid that JR gave me has no dispensation because there's a gap of missing records.

I can go back to the archive on Tuesday, but I need more of you to check your genealogy programs for Manuel Furtado & Marianna da Trindade.

Thanks, Cheri

[JR]

I just you this with Pedigree chart:

Manuel de Melo Barbosa and Maria Julia Joaquina Linhares received dispensation account related in third degree. They married 26 Nov 1854. Manuel is son of  Ana Rosa ES and Francisco de Melo Barbosa; Ana is filha de Manuel Furtado and Mariana da Trindade.

JR

[Elaine Mello]

My grandparents were cousins, but got married here in the US, so there wouldn't be anything back in the Azores for them (presumably),

Antonio Mello (b1889) was a great grandson through Ana de Espírito Santo through Antonio De Mello Barboza (b 1819) and my grandmother Maria Lima (b 1890) was a great granddaughter of Ana through Manoel De Mello Barboza (b 1829) via his daughter Francisca Roza De Mello (b 1854).  Unless that was tracked back home at some point even though they got married in the States.

Elaine

 

[Cheri Mello]

The Catholic Church required the dispensations. My greats had a dispensation in New Bedford, Massachusetts. But, in America, it was just a side note in the marriage book. I don't know that dispensation packets exist. I took pictures of the ones in the Azores and will upload in a week or 2. Cheri

[brownat68]

Cheri,

Did you ever find Manuel and Mariana's parents?

Todd

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[Cheri Mello]

Hi Todd,

Nope, not yet. They HAD to be SOMEONE'S godparents! Something!

Cheri

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[Terri Santos]

Not sure if you had this info already or not Cheri. 

I found this today and wondered if it could be the death records for your Manuel Furtado and Marianna da Trindade.

I think Marianna's is right....but with the one for Manuel, it says his wife's name was Marianna da Piedade. Did you find her name as such anywhere on the childrens records?

well...take a look and see.....

Obito for Marianna da Trindade

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848_item1/P56.html

Obito for Manuel Furtado (husband of Marianna da Piedade)
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848_item1/P23.html

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Terri,

I'm not at home and can't quite read them on my cell, but I do know I have their deaths. Manuel died at the Santa Casa de Misercordia in Vila Franca. Mariana da Trindade died in R. Quente. Neither of the deaths mentioned their parents (many deaths don't mention the parents). It's trying to find their parents. The pages in the marriage book are missing. We can use Y-DNA to help with Manuel. I need to find someone. Using autosomal or Family Finder is going to be a little tougher. A lot of endogamy to deal with. Cheri

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[JR]

I am pretty sure, as Cheri said that Manuel and Mariana married circa 1774, in Sao Pedro, Vila Franca, about one before they married. Those records in that time period are missing:

In VFSP casamentos, pages 153-170 are missing and they cover period April- 1770 to April- 1777

Found all the Manuel's and Mariana's in the respective time period of their approximate birthdates. The problem is there is no link or piece of evidence that could tie them to definitive parents. For Manuel, Furtado is too common (many Manuel's) and Mariana could be the daughter of at least three different sets of parents in VFSP. If Mariana had stayed in VFSP, it would be possible through siblings to establish her parentage. But they went from Sao Pedro, to Matriz, to Ponta Garca.

JR

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[Cheri Mello]

Yep, and I looked at all the godparents too of their kids. I think each was different and no one seemed to be related.  I think I may have 3 or 4 possible candidates for Mariana. For Manuel, it will have to be DNA for sure.

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