Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

[Elaine]

Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela, Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family. I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated and lived in Fall River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she passes away in July 1976. They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166 Langley Street. Please help.

Please contact me if you know her or have suggestions. 

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine S,

Sao Miguel island has a freguesia (village) called CapelaS. Not Capela. There's a Capelo on the island of Faial as well. I just want to be sure that you are interested in Capelas (a freguesia), on the island of Sao Miguel, which is one of the Azores Islands. No need to state that it's in the Azores, since that is why this group exists. If it is indeed Capelas on Sao Miguel island, please confirm so we can provide the correct information.

Thanks,

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 2:34 PM Elaine <nytng...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela, Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family. I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated and lived in Fall River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she passes away in July 1976. They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166 Langley Street. Please help.

Please contact me if you know her or have suggestions. 

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[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Elaine,

Found the birth record for Guilhermina, in Capelas, Sao Miguel.  See link, right side

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P422.html

N.o 99  Guilhermina

baptized Oct 30 1887

born on  Oct 14 1887

Parents:  Francisco da Camara Salgado, laborer, and of Maria de Jesus, housewife, naturals of Capelas and residents of Pedreira Street

Paternal grandchild of:  Jose da Camara Salgado and Maria de Jesus

Maternal grandchild of: Francisco Pavao de Medeiros and Umbelina Candida de Jesus

Godparents: Manuel da Camara Salgado, married, laborers and for the Godmother the invocation our Our Lady.

 

Margaret V

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[Elaine Silvia]

As far as I know when she went back to see her sister Mary Camara it was CapelaS. 

Thank you.

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[Elaine Silvia]

Oh my goodness! Thank you so much I was looking not only for myself but my mother who just turned 82! God bless you! Merry Christmas.

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[Elaine Silvia]

My Portuguese reading is fair. Could you tell me the name of the Church.? I read something about Ponta Delgado and Our Lady.

Thank you

Elaine 

[Cheri Mello]

The church is Nossa Senhora da Apresentação. You can find a list of freguesias (villages) and their churches on the Azores GenWeb. Here they are for Sao Miguel island: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-miguel/

Generally, those who live outside the Azores only translate the word Açores to Azores. Some leave it as Açores. However, once we are researching there, we leave the island, freguesia, and church in its native language. So we leave it in Portuguese. Because saying someone is from Chapels and the church is Our Lady of the Presentations sounds like you are going to do a Power Point! :)

Also on the Azores GenWeb is a translation guide. Catholic records follow a certain format. Here are the key words. At the end is a link that will take you to translations so you can learn to bumble your way through the records too.

http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-9/

Hope you find this helpful.

Cheri Mello
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[Elaine Silvia]

Thank you again! This is all so amazing to me. I was concerned my great grandmother was adopted or an orphan.

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[Cheri Mello]

Elaine S,

Well if you have information that your ancestor was a foundling (orphaned), then Margaret found the wrong record. You need to go to this record set and look at every Guilhermina and find one without parents. https://tombo.pt/en/f/pdl04

Alternatively, if you have her immigration date, you can search the Azorean "passaportes" for her LEAVING the Azores. They state if they had parents (or not) and who they were.

https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores#PDL

Good luck!

Cheri Mello
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[JR]

This matches the findings so far. Note that Maria de Jesus (probably Camara) is her sister married Manuel Correia. See below. I sent the rese via private email. Just one more generation:

 

Ancestors of Guilhermina Camara

 

 

Generation No. 1

 

        1.  Guilhermina Camara, born 14 Oct 1887 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas.  She was the daughter of 2. Francisco da Camara Salgado and 3. Maria de Jesus.

 

Notes for Guilhermina Camara:

From Margaret V.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P422.html

 

Baptism of NS da Apresentacao das Capelas, Concelho de Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel Azores.

 

N.o 99  Guilhermina

 

baptized Oct 30 1887

 

born on  Oct 14 1887

 

Parents:  Francisco da Camara Salgado, laborer, and of Maria de Jesus, housewife, naturals of Capelas and residents of Pedreira Street

 

Paternal grandchild of:  Jose da Camara Salgado and Maria de Jesus

 

Maternal grandchild of: Francisco Pavao de Medeiros and Umbelina Candida de Jesus

 

Godparents: Manuel da Camara Salgado, married, laborers and for the Godmother the invocation our Our Lady.

 

Generation No. 2

 

        2.  Francisco da Camara Salgado, born Abt. 1848 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas.  He was the son of 4. Jose da Camara Salgado and 5. Maria Jacinta de Jesus.  He married 3. Maria de Jesus 25 Sep 1872 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas.

        3.  Maria de Jesus, born Abt. 1849 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas.  She was the daughter of 6. Francisco Pavao de Medeiros and 7. Umbelina Candida de Jesus.

 

Marriage Notes for Francisco Camara Salgado and Maria:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1870-1879_item1/P41.html

 

No-23, Sept 25- 1872, Capelas; Francisco da Camara Salgado married to Maria de Jesus, both natives of Capelas; he is 24 yrs old Campaneo; she is 23 yrs old, domestica.

       

Children of Francisco Camara Salgado and Maria are:

                          i.    Manuel, born 20 Jul 1873 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas.

 

Notes for Manuel:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P104.html

 

No- 50, Manoel, bap- 27 Jul 1873; Pad, Manoel da Camara, militar, residente na Cidade da Ponta Delgada; Madrinha, Maria Candida, moradora nesta freg, solteiros.

 

 

 

                         ii.    Maria de Jesus [Camara], born 15 May 1875 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas; married Manuel Correia Bizania 06 Feb 1896 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas; born Abt. 1876 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas.

 

Notes for Maria de Jesus [Camara]:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P172.html

 

Maria, No-37, bap- May 23- 1875, Pad, Manoel da Camara, militar, residente na Cidade da Ponta Delgada; Madrinha, Maria Candida, moradora nesta freg, solteiros.

 

Note 1- Faleceu (died) 23-12-1858 deste conservatoria da Ponta Delgada, 29-12- 1858.

 

This is most likely her sister, Maria da Camara.

 

 

Marriage Notes for Maria [Camara] and Manuel Correia Bizania:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html

 

marriage no-4; they are both 20 yrs old, single, living and baptised in Capelas.

 

        1               iii.    Guilhermina Camara, born 14 Oct 1887 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas.

 

 

On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 6:22:44 PM UTC-5, Elaine Silvia wrote:

As far as I know when she went back to see her sister Mary Camara it was CapelaS. 

Thank you.

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 5:40 PM Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Elaine S,

Sao Miguel island has a freguesia (village) called CapelaS. Not Capela. There's a Capelo on the island of Faial as well. I just want to be sure that you are interested in Capelas (a freguesia), on the island of Sao Miguel, which is one of the Azores Islands. No need to state that it's in the Azores, since that is why this group exists. If it is indeed Capelas on Sao Miguel island, please confirm so we can provide the correct information.

Thanks,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 2:34 PM Elaine <nytng...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela, Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family. I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated and lived in Fall River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she passes away in July 1976. They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166 Langley Street. Please help.

Please contact me if you know her or have suggestions. 

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[Elaine Silvia]

OMG! Thank you so much! I am so happy you found my great grandmother Guilhermina's birth certificate. My mom was in tears and said she will keep you all in her prayers. 

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[Elaine Silvia]

I spoke with my mom. Guilhermina Camara did have parents. She did say the when my great grandmother was living in the United States, her mother died and her father remarried. No one in the family remembers when. The woman was not kind to her and didn't want her around the property in Capelas.

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[Mindy Silva]

Hi Elaine, 

I have ancestors from São Miguel, but I don't see you as one of my matches. If you look on the map Cheri gave you the link for (or this color map) you can see Feteiras, where most of mine were. Do you have a gedmatch number?

Mindy Silva

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine, then what Margaret found for you is the correct Guilhermina.

Cheri Mello
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[Cheri Mello]

Mindy S,

Most of the freguesias are on the coast. So Feteiras and Capelas are on opposite sides of the island. Because they are volcanic, you'd have to either walk around (that would be a long walk....maybe a day? I don't know). Or you'd have to hike up and over to get to the other freguesia. The pinched waist area of Sao Miguel island is approximately 10 miles wide (the island is roughly 40 miles long). Where I drew this line is about 10 miles:

And we don't know yet if Elaine S. has DNA tested and with which companies. Elaine needs to test her mom. Her dad too, if he is alive, regardless of if he is Portuguese or not. Test the oldest generation first.

Cheri Mello
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[Mindy Silva]

Great information Cheri, thanks! I have a cousin that has ancestors from São Vicente. Feteiras would definitely be far from Capelas! It would also be far from São Vicente so I'll have to find out where her other ancestors were from. Good luck Elaine, and I hope you get your parents DNA tested!

Mindy

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 1:33:47 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

Mindy S,

Most of the freguesias are on the coast. So Feteiras and Capelas are on opposite sides of the island. Because they are volcanic, you'd have to either walk around (that would be a long walk....maybe a day? I don't know). Or you'd have to hike up and over to get to the other freguesia. The pinched waist area of Sao Miguel island is approximately 10 miles wide (the island is roughly 40 miles long). Where I drew this line is about 10 miles:

And we don't know yet if Elaine S. has DNA tested and with which companies. Elaine needs to test her mom. Her dad too, if he is alive, regardless of if he is Portuguese or not. Test the oldest generation first.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:13 AM Mindy Silva <m.si...@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi Elaine, 

I have ancestors from São Miguel, but I don't see you as one of my matches. If you look on the map Cheri gave you the link for (or this color map) you can see Feteiras, where most of mine were. Do you have a gedmatch number?

Mindy Silva

On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 5:34:47 PM UTC-5, Elaine wrote:

Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela, Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family. I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated and lived in Fall River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she passes away in July 1976. They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166 Langley Street. Please help.

Please contact me if you know her or have suggestions. 

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[Elaine Silvia]

I did my did my DNA with 23xme. I also have my family tree on ancestry.com under Silvia Family Tree. I used the name I was born with which is Elaine Costa.

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[Elaine Silvia]

I don't know what a gedmatch number is?

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[Elaine Silvia]

My father has passed away and my mom is ill . So there is only me.

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[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine S,

Can you send more than one sentence at a time to the list? One sentence at a time makes the group filter think you are spamming the list.

You said:

<I did my did my DNA with 23xme. I also have my family tree on ancestry.com under Silvia Family Tree.>

There are many trees named Silva Family Tree on Ancestry. And the details of the living are generally private, so you would should up in your tree as Private to others. Ancestry makes it very difficult to find someone's tree. But you can share your tree with another Ancestry member. You need either their Ancestry User ID or the email that they use for Ancestry.com. You can then "invite" others to see your tree. They have different sharing levels as well. Here's how: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Sharing-a-Family-Tree

As for 23 and Me, not many of us use that. You need to transfer to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) and My Heritage. Both are free and matching is free. The tools are $19 and $29 USD respectively. I highly recommend you transfer and get the matches to start. Different relatives are in the different databases. It's like fishing for cousins in another pond. First you need to download your raw data from 23 and Me.  https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212196868-Accessing-Your-Raw-Genetic-Data

Then email me at gfscherim at gmail.com and I will provide the upload instructions (or you can do an Internet search for "autosomal transfer company name."

You said:

< I don't know what a gedmatch number is? >

GEDMatch is a third party tool that you can use with DNA. They were just bought out by a cold-case crime lab or something. Read the Terms of Service very carefully and if you agree with everything, go right ahead. Only about 20% of each company uploads there. And now it is less because of this buy out. So if you are looking for matches, then test or transfer with the major companies. If you need to use the advanced tools at GEDMatch, then you'll have to agree.

You said:

< My father has passed away and my mom is ill . So there is only me.>

You can test your father's siblings in place of your father. As for your mom, FTDNA and My Heritage uses swabs (giant foam q-tips) which are much, much easier on the senior citizens. So test your mom with FTDNA and transfer her to My Heritage. You are in 23 and Me, so you have that covered. My non-Portuguese mom is deceased too. I swabbed her many years ago. Last night, I got a really good match for her on My Heritage. It's either one of the branches where we don't have the maiden name OR someone went off for a roll in the hay. I have only half of my mom's DNA and 25% of her grands and 12.5% of her greats, whereas she has double that on those ancestors. If I shrugged my shoulders and never swabbed my mom, I wouldn't be closing in on knocking down a brick wall. Here's how the swabs work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_ErJy8RNDQ   If you click the gear towards the lower right of the video, you will get an option for subtitles. One is in Portuguese, if you mom prefers that. The translation was done by Margaret Vicente of this list. :)

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[Elaine Silvia]

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas. I'm now searching for my great grandfather, Jose Viveiros'birth certificate . I know he was born in about 1883.and I believe he was born in Capelas but I have very little information on him to be sure. He did come to the United States to marry Guilhermina Camara. I know he died at Taunton State hospital in 1918. We have no idea about his family. This is tough. If anyone could help me find some information it would be great.
Thank you

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Elaine, if you have an approximate date of him leaving the Azores, try the Passportes Lists on the CCA site, here: https://tombo.pt/d/acores for Sao Miguel and do a search for his name. If you find him, it will list the village of birth and parent names then you can go from there. 

 

Rosemarie

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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 7:51 AM Elaine Silvia <nytng...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas. I'm now searching for my great grandfather, Jose Viveiros'birth certificate . I know he was born in about 1883.and I believe he was born in Capelas but I have very little information on him to be sure. He did come to the United States to marry Guilhermina Camara. I know he died at Taunton State hospital in 1918. We have no idea about his family. This is tough. If anyone could help me find some information it would be great.
Thank you

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