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Toni Lima

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I am researching my Grand parents Joao (John) Barcelos Lima and his wife Virginia Conceicao. They immigrated from the island of Terceira to the United States in 1920 settled in New Bedford and moved to Santa Clara, California some time in the 1930s. I believe they were from Sao Mateus but i am so new to this I am not sure how to proceed. Any assistance would be wonderful.

Cheri Mello

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Hi Toni L,

Since you have the freguesia (Sao Mateus), you *might* be able to search the Azores Government Vital Records if you have a date or range:

https://tombo.pt/f/agh13

If that doesn't work, alternatives exist. Just ask.

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Cheri Mello
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I am researching my Grand parents Joao (John) Barcelos Lima and his wife Virginia Conceicao. They immigrated from the island of Terceira to the United States in 1920 settled in New Bedford and moved to Santa Clara, California some time in the 1930s. I believe they were from Sao Mateus but i am so new to this I am not sure how to proceed. Any assistance would be wonderful.

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Bill Seidler

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Hello Toni and welcome to the group. I took a quick look and found some things that might help get you started.

I believe this is your grand parents passport log entries when they left Terceira

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P127.html (#589 and #590 on right side)

#589 confirms that this João Barcelos Lima is from São Mateus and I was able to find his baptism:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899_item1/P122.html (#36 bottom right continuing on next page)

Passport #590 says his wife Virginia Conceição de Lima is from Ribeirinha. Unfortunately after a quick scan I did not find a Virginia baptized in Ribeirinha around that time frame (that doesn't mean it is not there; I could have missed it)

This couple, along with their first child Maria, arrived in Providence aboard the SS Roma on 1 Feb 1920 to join his father Joao Lima at 77 Davis Street in New Bedford and last lived in São Mateus where their contact was his mother Maria do Amparo. They had a few more kids in New Bedford and by the 1940 census were living in Santa Clara, California. If you have Ancestry.com or can visit a library to access it there is much more information on this couple.

Bill Seidler

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Bill,

I am in awe of both your ability to ferret these out and your willingness to help new searchers. You made it possible to get me started last year and I am so grateful for that. Thank you again.

Debbie

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Toni,I sent you some info directly to your email.

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Here is Virgina's birth in Ribeirinha

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Antoinette Lima

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I cant thank you enough for sending these! so very very grateful to you

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Antoinette Lima

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Bill, Thank you so much for the links, I am so overwhelmed with the outpouring of greetings and assistance from this group. I am so very grateful for all of your help!

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Bill Seidler

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Thank you Joe, I guess I didn't go back far enough. Parents names on this baptism match the parents name on her 1951 California Death Index listing (though he date of birth on the death index is way off, as often seems to be the case)

Here is link to the record Joe provided: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P151.html

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Thank you again Bill, Yes the birth and death dates are very wrong but according to the Cemetery where she is buried the says date should have been 1952, so they also have noted that difference too.

I do have a question that perhaps you have the answer to. Virginia, on her immigration papers and my father's birth certificate she lists her last name as Conceicao and according to other documents including her birth certificate it is Machado..is there a reason for that?

Very confusing.

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This naming of the women issue is why it is so helpful to have the baptismal and marriage records. Women generally had their first name and a religious name, but didn’t use their father’s surname. So Thera are tons of Anna de Jesus or Maria da Conceçao names out there.

Here is a list from Wikipedia of names added to Maria:

Religious predicates (often honouring one of the Virgin Mary's denominations):

Catholic devotion festivities: Maria da Conceição (referring to Our Lady of Conception), Maria das Dores (Our Lady of Sorrows), Maria da Assunção (Assumption of Mary), Maria da Natividade (Nativity of Mary).
A place of a Marian apparition: Maria de Fátima(Fátima), Maria de Lurdes (Lourdes), Maria de la Salete (La Salette), Maria Aparecida (common in Brazil, after Aparecida), Maria Nazaré(Nazareth).
A virtue or a nature element (many of which have lost religious associations nowadays): Maria do Céu (Heaven or Sky), Maria da Luz(Light), Maria do Mar (Sea), Maria da Graça(Grace).
The name of a saint: Maria de São José (after Saint Joseph).

I found my Anna de Jesus on her marriage record listing her fathers surname, Aguiar.

Debbie

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1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii, Hawaii

2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro, California

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Hi Toni, glad I could help.

Dates of birth recorded in US records often differ from home country records because they are often given by people who don't know the actual birth date. If you search this group's archive you might find some very good posts from Cheri Mello about reliability of primary source records (such as a birth date at the time birth) compared to secondary source records (such as a birth date at the time of death).

Debbie's explanation of devotional names is very thorough. Confusing these names with a mother's surname in US records is not uncommon. It happened on my grandfather's death certificate (mother's maiden name listed as "de Jesus" or "Dejesus". In further research you may also find that women sometimes change their devotional names. I have an ancestor that was Rosa dos Anjos on her first marriage but Rosa da Conceição on her second marriage.

The only death date I see for Virginia is from the California Death Index, 6 Sep 1951. She has two listing in the Social Security Death index; one with Machado spelled correctly and the other spelled Virginia MacHadeo Lima, with a different SSN. Both are missing the death date and both have the same birth date (16 Sep 1897) and both have the same parents' names. I would contact Santa Clara county to get her death certificate. It cost me $20 to get my grandfather's from Orange County. The death certificate, if like my grandfather's will give funeral home and burial information. The death certificate should give a certain date of death. Maybe there was a delay in her burial or her grave was relocated in 1952.

I hope this is helpful.

Bill Seidler

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Just to correct my post. It is the Social Security Application and Claims Index that has two entries for her as described in my post. She is not listed in the Social Security Death Index that I can find. This seems very odd to me.

Bill

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Hi Tony,

See after I have in my data base and may books about your Grand Parents João de Barcelos Lima and Virginia da Conceição.

https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira

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Philippe Garnier

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Database

Books

c.c. married with

n. : borne (nascido)

b. : baptized

f. : dead (falecido)

Person : n

Father of n : n*2

Mother of n : n*2 + 1

Gráfico Ahnentafel para João de BARCELOS de LIMA

Primeira Geração

1. João de BARCELOS de LIMA (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.c. Virginia da Conceição filha de Francisco MACHADO RODRIGUES e de Gertrudes Augusta do Coração de Jesus.

Segunda Geração

2. João de BARCELOS de LIMA (n. 1874, São Mateus- Terceira), « trabalhador », c.(30-04-1891, São Mateus- Terceira) c. sua parente, « impedimento do quarto grau mixto de terceiro de consanguinidade collateral », Maria do Amparo (n. 05-01-1875, b. 24-01-1875, f. 26-09-1940, São Mateus- Terceira), « de profissão domestica »

Terceira Geração

4. José de BARCELOS de LIMA (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(29-07-1851, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Luciana de Jesus (n. São Mateus - Terceira), ou Luciana Candida (casamento de João, batismo de Manoel-1854)

6. Francisco José BRASIL (n. São Mateus - Terceira), « homem maritimo », c.c. Tomasia Ludovina (n. São Mateus - Terceira), « moradores na canada nova do Biscoutinho, à Prainha d'esta dita freguezia »

Quarta Geração

8. Manoel de Barcelos de Lima (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(16-12-1816, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Aldina do Carmo (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

10. José da Costa Nogueira (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(16-10-1814, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Mariana Joaquina (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

12. Sebastião José BRASIL (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(16-07-1841, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria Joaquina (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

14. Leonardo MACHADO (n. 21-02-1816, b. 29-02-1816, São Mateus- Terceira) c.(13-06-1850, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria das Dores (n. 01-09-1830, b. 08-09-1830, São Mateus- Terceira), ou Maria Clara (casamento de Tomasia)

Quinta Geração

16. Mateus José de LIMA (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(22-12-1771, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Antonia Caetana (n. 21-08-1750, b. 30-08-1750, São Mateus- Terceira) .

18. Miguel José BRASIL (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(19-01-1783, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Gertrudes Rosa (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

20. José da COSTA NOGUEIRA (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(04-10-1779, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Vicência Mariana (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

22. Antônio de Sousa (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(10-12-1787, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Catarina Antonia (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

24. Vicente José Brasil (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(17-09-1809, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria Vitorina (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

26. Francisco Leal Silveira (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(04-11-1810, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria Joaquina (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

28. Mateus MACHADO FORTUNA (n. São Bento - Terceira) c.(02-06-1799, São Bento - Terceira) c. Mariana Inácia (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

30. João FERREIRA SERPA (n. São Pedro de Angra - Terceira) c.(21-01-1822, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria Candida (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

Sexta Geração

32. Bernardo Antônio REAL (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(28-08-1740, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Ana do Rosario (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

34. José de Barcelos e Barbara da Conceição (Vol. I, § 3.7.3.1.2.5) .

36. Bento José e Rita Francisca (Vol. I, § 3.6.13.2.5.1.3)

38. Manoel de SOUSA (n. Ilha São Jorge) c.(11-10-1751, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Antonia de Jesus (n. 14-06-1728, b. 21-06-1728, São Mateus- Terceira) .

40. Antônio da COSTA (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(29-11-1739, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Flora do Rosario (n. São Pedro de Angra - Terceira), ou Flora Maria (casamento de Josefa Mariana, Joaquina)

42. Alexandre PEREIRA (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.( 2-05-1749, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria Josefa (n. São Bartolomeu - Terceira)

44. João de Sousa (n. São Pedro de Angra - Terceira) c.(11-09-1751, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Joana Antonia (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

46. Caetano FERREIRA BORBA and Antonia Maria (Vol. II, § 9.1.4.1.8.1)

48. Miguel José BRASIL é impresso como #18 à página 2.

49. Gertrudes Rosa é impresso como #19 à página 2.

50. Pedro Correia Lobão (n. N. S. do Rosario do Topo - Ilha São Jorge) c.(15-04-1776, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Isabel Inácia (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

52. Antônio Leal (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(02-03-1785, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Joaquina Inácia (n. São Mateus - Terceira), ou Joaquina Narcisa (casamento de Francisco)

54. Antônio de SOUSA é impresso como #22 à página 2.

55. Catarina Antonia é impresso como #23 à página 2.

56. Antônio VIEIRA FORTUNA (n. São Bento - Terceira) c.(21-12-1766, São Bento - Terceira) c. Rosa Mariana (n. São Bento - Terceira)

58. Antônio MACHADO de AVILA e Maria de Jesus (cf. Vol. V, F § 3.1.1.2.3

60. Joaquim Ferreira (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(22-01-1787, São Pedro de Angra - Terceira) c. Ana Joaquina (n. São Pedro de Angra - Terceira)

62. José Correia Brasil (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(16-11-1799, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria do Carmo (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

Sétima Geração

64. Manoel RODRIGUES REAL (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(13-01-1715, São Pedro de Angra - Terceira) c. Maria da Conceição (n. São Pedro de Angra - Terceira)

66. Pedro RODRIGUES (n. N. S. das Candeias - Ilha São Miguel) c.(06-01-1716, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Sebastiana de Jesus (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

76. Jorge de SOUSA (n. Ilha São Jorge).

78. Bartolomeu FERREIRA MACHADO (n. Cabo da Praia - Terceira) c(2).(03-02-1720, N. S. da Conceição de Angra - Terceira) c. Ana do Rosario (n. N. S. da Piedade - Ilha do Pico)

80. Alexandre da COSTA (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.( ) c. Maria NOGUEIRA.

81. Maria NOGUEIRA (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

82. Mateus LUIS and Francisca dos Anjos (Vol. III, Manoel de Ponte Cardoso § 4.3.3.3)

84. Silvestre PEREIRA (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(02-11-1707, Santa Luzia de Angra - Terceira) c. Joana de Jesus (n. Fonte Bastardo - Terceira), ou Joana do Rosario (casamento de Vicência)

86. João da COSTA (n. São Bartolomeu - Terceira) c.(03-06-1717, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Esperença de Jesus (n. Porto Judeo - Terceira)

88. Guilherme de Sousa (n. Agualva - Terceira) c.(24-01-1722, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria da Conceição (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

90. Antônio Ferreira dos Santos (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(08-08-1723, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Luzia da Conceição (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

100. Pedro CORREIA LOBÃO and Maria PEREIRA.

102. João Machado (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(15-06-1734, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Inês Catarina de Bettencourt (n. N. S. da Guadalupe - Ilha Graciosa)

104. Manoel LEAL and Inês da Conceição

106. Manoel SILVEIRA and Josefa Maria de Santa Rosa (Vol. III, Manoel de Ponte Cardoso, § 6.3.3.5.5.9.5)

112. Antônio VIEIRA FORTUNA e Isabel da Visitação (Vol. III, Aleixo Pacheco de Lima, § 1.8.1.4.2.7.10)

114. Luis MACHADO e Catarina da Conceição (Vol. I, § 2.2.6.2.9.5)

120. Manoel Ferreira Serpa (n. São Mateus - Terceira), , já viúvo de Madalena da Conceição c.(16-02-1750, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Catarina Antonia (n. São Mateus - Terceira) , já viúva de Antônio Pereira

122. Manoel Silveira (n. N. S. do Rosario das Velas - Ilha São Jorge) c.(13-01-1757, N. S. da Conceição de Angra - Terceira) c. Antonia Rosa (n. Santa Luzia de Angra - Terceira)

124. Sebastião CORREIA BRASIL e Antonia Mariana (Vol. I, § 3.7.3.3.3.4)

126. João de BARCELOS e Josefa Mariana (Vol. I, § 3.7.3.1.2.5)

Oitava Geração

128. Manoel RODRIGUES (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.( ) c. Luzia da Cruz.

129. Luzia da Cruz (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

130. Francisco NUNES BARRETO (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(15-09-1687, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Maria da Conceição (n. São Pedro de Angra - Terceira)

132. Simão RODRIGUES (n. N. S. das Candeias - Ilha São Miguel) c.( ) c. Maria TRAVASSOS.

133. Maria TRAVASSOS (n. N. S. das Candeias - Ilha São Miguel)

134. Mateus PEREIRA and Barbara RODRIGUES (Vol. IV, § 3.8.9.3.2)

156. Manoel FERREIRA ROMEIRO and Simoa da COSTA (Vol. II, § 8.5.4.1.5)

158. Francisco VIEIRA and Domingas ALVERNAZ.

176. Manoel VAZ da ILHA e Francisca de AVILA (Vol. IV, A § 3.8.7.5.1)

178. João de Lima Sodre (n. São Mateus - Terceira), « lavrador », já viúvo de Maria da Conceição, c.(26-06-1684, São Pedro de Angra - Terceira) c. Luzia Dias (n. N. S. da Conceição de Angra - Terceira)

180. Francisco Fernandes (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(08-01-1690, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Ana Vieira (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

182. Francisco Pereira (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.(18-08-1697, São Mateus- Terceira) c. Francisca Rodrigues (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

204. Pedro MACHADO (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.( ) c. Catarina da Conceição.

205. Catarina da Conceição (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

206. Gabriel PEREIRA (n. N. S. da Guadalupe - Ilha Graciosa) c.( ) c. Maria de BETTENCOURT.

207. Maria de BETTENCOURT (n. N. S. da Guadalupe - Ilha Graciosa)

244. Baltazar da Silva e Ana Silveira.

246. João Machado e de Maria de Jesus.

Nona Geração

260. Francisco NUNES BARRETO (n. São Mateus - Terceira) c.( ) c. Maria FERREIRA.

261. Maria FERREIRA (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

262. João de LIMA SODRE é impresso como #178 à página 8.

263. Maria da Conceição (n. São Mateus - Terceira)

358. Francisco de AZEVEDO and Isabel DIAS.

360. Antônio FERNANDES e Maria da MOTA (Vol. V, F § 2.3.3.1.1)

362. João Rodrigues da Costa and Maria VIEIRA

364. Manoel HOMEM and Filipa PEREIRA

14. Geração

Gráfico Ahnentafel para Virginia da Conceição

Primeira Geração

1. Virginia da Conceição (n. 28-03-1893, b. 16-04-1893, Ribeirinha - Terceira) c.c. João de BARCELOS de LIMA filho de João de BARCELOS de LIMA e Maria do Amparo.

Segunda Geração

2. Francisco MACHADO RODRIGUES (n. 1840, Ribeirinha - Terceira), ou Machado André (batismo de Virginia), c.(01-10-1887, Ribeirinha - Terceira) c. sua parente, « segundo grao de consanguinidade collateral », Gertrudes Augusta do Coração de Jesus (n. 1860, São Bartolomeu - Terceira)

Terceira Geração

4. André MACHADO RODRIGUES (n. São Bartolomeu - Terceira) c.(22-07-1839, Ribeirinha - Terceira) c. Francisca Eugénia (n. Ribeirinha - Terceira)

6. Manoel RODRIGUES (n. São Bartolomeu - Terceira) c.(02-02-1845, São Bartolomeu - Terceira) c. Teodora Augusta do Coração de Jesus (n. 12-10-1824, b. 24-10-1824, São Bartolomeu - Terceira).

Quarta Geração

8. José RODRIGUES (n. São Bartolomeu - Terceira), « mansebo », c.(22-06-1801, São Bartolomeu - Terceira) c. Francisca Joaquina (n. São Bartolomeu - Terceira)

10. Francisco VAZ BORBA (Vol. IV, D § 1.5.1.1.2.1.3 and Vol. V, E § 2.1.4.2.4.1.1.4) and Maria de Jesus (cf. Vol. IV, D § 1.9.8.7.2.2, and Vol. III, Aleixo Pacheco de Lima, § 1.8.1.4.5.4.1)

12. José RODRIGUES e Francisca Joaquina é impresso como 8 e 9 à página 1.

14. Francisco Machado Rodrigues (n. Santa Barbara - Terceira) c.(19-09-1814, São Bartolomeu - Terceira) c. Josefa Mariana (n. Santa Barbara - Terceira), ou Josefa Rosa (batismo de Teodora)

Quinta Geração

28. Mateus MACHADO COTA e Antonia Josefa Mariana (Vol. V, A § 1.1.5.6.3.1.2.3.1.2.1)

30. Manoel NUNES e Rosa Antonia (Vol. V, A § 1.1.5.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.2)

20. Geração

Antoinette Lima

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Thank you Bill,

yes I agree with you, I need to get a copy of Virginia's death certificate. I have never been able to find her in the Social Security death index, the date I had assumed was her birth date was 1901 from her gravestone, but according to Joao's naturalization records (thank you Joe M.), all of her immigration records and my father's birth records shows that she was born in 1893..and stayed that way on the census records till 1940 when she had gotten a few years "younger", the grave also shows 9/6/1951 as her death date, but when I contacted the cemetery they said their records shows it as 1952.

I'm thinking the children did this from memory which sometimes is not a good thing, unfortunately I have no one left to contact with first hand information.

Again thank for all your help

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Afternoon Philippe,

I can't thank you enough for the information you shared from your database, what a wonderful thing to do! I see you have many books on Teceria genealogy, which do you this is the best for my family and is there any that have been translated into English?

Thank you again

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Antoinette,

I think that the only people that appear in the Social Security Death Index are the ones who had the benefit paid out on them. If no benefit was collected, then they don't appear. That's what I seem to remember.

Cheri

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Thank you Cheri,

I was wondering about that, she may not have even applied for one, she as far as I know she never worked outside of the house.

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She didn't have to work. If she applied for her husband's she may have a SSA-9638. Scroll down to section 3 here:

http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-6.html#previous-photo

It's almost a $30 gamble though. But if it has that one piece of information you are after, it is worth it.

You can also try the Social Security Application and Claims Index. That's a newer database (been out about a couple of years) and it comes closer in time than the SSDI. It's on Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, your local library probably has it.

Cheri

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My aunt did not work but collected under her Husbands name. I found her by using his SS number.

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Thank you for the great article and information , I did check with our local library and they do have Ancestry there. Thank you so very much.

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I had never considered that, I need to remember that Social Security rules have changed a lot since then.

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Hi Tony,

As you can see in my message, it's not difficult to read because all data are in abbreviation :

c.(date, parish) c. = casado com, or married with. and so on. All the abbreviations are translated at the beginning of all books.

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Best regards

Philippe Garnier

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