Alphabetizing Portuguese Surnames

[Gerri Martin]

I am sure this has been discussed before, but no matter how I searched I could not find an answer. I am working to "clean up" my family tree. I want to be consistent with surnames. I have some de Bettencourts for example showing under de, some under Bettencourt. I am tempted to ignore the de when alphabetizing, but my big stumbling block is my own maiden name. We went by De Salles.  Always under the letter D. I am thinking of not using the de for index purposed unless I know for sure the family used it in America - De Costa, De Freitas, De Salles etc. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Gerri Martin

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Gerri,

We don't alphabetize under the "de da do dos das," etc stuff. But as you said, it may be part of your legal name if you live in Canada or America. I'm a Mello. My cousin in Canada is a DeMelo. That's his legal name. My genealogy program has a "Sort by" field so I can file him under the Ms and search for him under the Ms.

Or you can do it Portuguese style and alphabetize by first name. Which my genealogy program allows me to do.

By a genealogy program, I mean a fully-featured program that lives on your computer. Not one of the limited web-based tree. You can't do these things on web based sites.

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 6:15 PM 'Gerri Martin' via Azores Genealogy <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I am sure this has been discussed before, but no matter how I searched I could not find an answer. I am working to "clean up" my family tree. I want to be consistent with surnames. I have some de Bettencourts for example showing under de, some under Bettencourt. I am tempted to ignore the de when alphabetizing, but my big stumbling block is my own maiden name. We went by De Salles.  Always under the letter D. I am thinking of not using the de for index purposed unless I know for sure the family used it in America - De Costa, De Freitas, De Salles etc. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Gerri Martin

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[Gerri Martin]

Thanks. That is what I thought. I use Family Tree Maker.

[Leonor Bertoni]

I use FTM and just make the de, do, da, etc. part of their first name this way it's still there but I don't have to remember how I entered each person as.

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Thanks. That is what I thought. I use Family Tree Maker.

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[Richard Francis Pimentel]

This is the method I use and suggest. My Genealogy program allows me to enter other names such as AKA. That way I can enter the first name and the de, do, da dos as the first name and the just the last name under the last name. I can also enter an AKA name with the last name with the de, do, dos, da  that way I can search both ways I can look for “Mello or de Mello” both will be there. This program is great also for the never ending name change that woman have You have a woman using Maria de Jesus in one record, Maria da Conceicao in another and Maria Soares in yet another All name will be in the search list.  As Cheri said use a top line stand alone genealogy program as you cannot do this in the on-line programs.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

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[Liz Migliori]

What is that program

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[Cheri Mello]

Yes, I put my names as:

Given: Manuel de

Last: Mello

Some programs don't separate out the given and the last (or surname). In that case, you use slashes: Manuel de /Mello/. I don't remember which genealogy program you have to do that with. Maybe an older one?

Legacy asks for Given and Surnames:

RootsMagic asks for Given and Surnames:

I don't have Family Tree Maker installed on this computer and I'm not a Mac user, so I don't know what the Add a Person field looks like there.

Liz, Rick and I are "TMG Refugees." Our program (The Master Genealogist, aka TMG) is no longer published. A couple of guys in Australia are supposed to be working on a replacement for it (it's been 5 years already)!!!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I used to have to use the slashes to separate the names in Family Tree Maker. I am not sure about the latest edition of Family Tree Maker.

 

Rick

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