Record Help - Florencio Ferreira Drummond

[Natasha Costa]

I am stuck in regards to my ancestors brother. His name was Florencio Ferreira Drummond he was born November 7 1888 and I don't know when he died. I believe he got emancipated in 1906 (mentioned in his marriage, unsure why). He married his wife, Beatriz da Gloria Ferreira on November 28 1908 in Sao Pedro and their first baby on February 28 1909 in Sao Pedro but sadly that baby passed in March 1909. Florencio's parents were Manuel Ferreira Drummond Coelho and Lucinda Augusta Simoes de Avila. I was able to find a passport document from 1913 in which he goes to Rio de Janeiro but we don't believe he stayed because I have not found any documents for him there.

I am unsure how much more I could find but I'm hoping to try and continue as we didn't even know that this man existed until recently through my research into my genealogy. Church records stop in 1911 but I was hoping someone may know any other way to find out this kind of information.

Thanks 

[Cheri Mello]

There's lots of churches named Sao Pedro. Which island and freguesia?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[Philippe GARNIER]

Hi Natasha,

What is your link with Florencio ?

In Brasil, are you a Armond or a Drumond ?

Florencio is parent with the Armonds of Brasil. 

Abs

Philippe GARNIER

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PS : Cheri, the parish is São Pedro de Angra

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[Natasha Costa]

Im so sorry, it would be in Terceira island and the freguesia is Angra.

[Natasha Costa]

Florencio is the eldest brother of my great great grandmother, in Brazil they are Drumond (Drumonde). we don't know anything about him as this information has just simply been lost to time.  

[Philippe GARNIER]

Who is this  great great grandmother, ? The name Drumond is it her name ? I don't know in Brasil Drumond from Terceira  who is not a Armond.

Abs

Philippe

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[Natasha Costa]

her name was Bebiana (Bibiana) Ferreria Drumonde she was born june 30 1890 in rio.  

[Mandi Buckner]

Could be Ormonde?  I know a family from Terceira with that name?

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[Cheri Mello]

It's Drummond. It comes from a Scottish Immigrant. There's some history here: https://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-drummonds-connection-scotland.html?m=1

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[Philippe GARNIER]

We don't know the link beetween the Ormonde from Terceira and the Drumond from Madeira and Scotland

In Terceira, the name Drumond appears only on the 19th century after the historian Francisco Ferreira Drumond change his name de Ormonde (all his acendants) in Drumond.

I his book he says that the 1st Dormonde was descendants of the family Dutra from Fayal. Without the link with the DRumond of Madeira. And he don't give his source.

In Brasil, they are Drumond descendnats of Drumond from Madeira. But all the Ormonde/Drumonde that I know are from the family Armond. The 1st emigrated in Brasil was Francisco Ferreira Armonde and his wife Angela da Conceição Camelo,. Perhaps the great-great grandmother of Natasha is from the family of the historian ? Reason for that her name was Drumonde.

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Philippe GARNIER

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[Bill Seidler]

Hi Natasha.  Here is Florencio's wife's baptism which includes a note about the marriage to Florencio on 28 Nov 1908 and a second note about her death in São Pedro (Angra) but I am having trouble making out any date.  Anyway, it shows that his wife died in Angra and not Brazil.  The note does not mention if she was a wife or a widow at the time of death.   https://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/index.html?page=12 (#34, left side)

The 1913 passport log entry you mentioned only listed him and not his wife.  He either went alone (and possibly returned) or got the passport but never left.  Unfortunately his baptism has a note about the marriage but nothing about his death.

I did look at your great-grandmothers birth in Rio as it is available on FamilySearch.  She and Florencio definitely had the same parents which means they must have travelled between the births of their kids.  I looked and found their passport here:
https://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html?page=201.  Florencio went to Brazil at 3 months old.  It appears he returned to Terceira where he married.  Do you know if his sister and parents returned also?

You might try to get Beatriz's death record to see if it shows whether Florencio was still alive when she died.  It would be at the Civil Registry in Angra.  Here is their contact information: https://irn.justica.gov.pt/Contactos-do-Registo/Registo-Civil-de-Angra-do-Heroismo

Good luck,

Bill Seidler

[Natasha Costa]

Hello, the historian Francisco Ferreira Drumond had a younger brother named Antonio, who led to my family eventually. I found this in the Genealogias de Ilha Terceira, however, it stops with my third great grandfather, Manuel, born in 1857. 

Florencio's mother, Lucinda, and sister Bebiana returned to Terceira together(?). From what I know, Lucinda got remarried in 1898 and died on the island, but I don't know when. Bebiana stayed on the island her whole life and died there in oct. of 1944, but I don't know exactly when. 

We believe my grandmother is the last descendant from Lucinda and Manuel, but, because of Florencio, who we didn't know existed until 2 weeks ago, this may not be true anymore. As far as our family is concerned, though, my grandmother doesn't remember anything more. 

We are just trying to find any more family that may be alive from Florencio. 

[Natasha Costa]

my sister and i also found a second daughter that he had on the island as well, https://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SE-B-1909-1911/TER-AH-SE-B-1909-1911_item1/index.html?page=54 

number 62 on the bottom right

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[Bill Seidler]

You are right about Lucinda remarrying; but she went by Lucinda Simoês de Ávila.

https://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-C-1894-1902/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-C-1894-1902_item1/index.html?page=56 (#3, left side)

[Natasha Costa]

The issue is, we are having a hard time finding when Manuel, her first husband, died. We were told he died in Brazil, so it's more challenging.