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jomi...@sbcglobal.net

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Jul 9, 2019, 8:23:22 PM7/9/19
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I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there somewhere to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in English)?

Thanks,
Josephine Miguel

Cheri Mello

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Jul 9, 2019, 8:25:48 PM7/9/19
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Try this: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

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Jul 9, 2019, 10:23:53 PM7/9/19
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That’s awesome, Cheri!

Kathy Cardoza

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Jul 9, 2019, 10:28:41 PM7/9/19
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Cheri ….. and everyone else

The link you gave, Cheri, is for the OLD, out-of-date Azores GenWeb. Rootsweb is the home for that old site that was inaccessible for so long, forcing me to relocate it and now is online but still not accessible to me for editing or deleting. PLEASE everyone …… do not use that site. It is NOT current. Instead, this is the current site and address for the page Cheri wanted to direct you to:


Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/

Kathy

JOSEPHINE MIGUEL

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Jul 10, 2019, 4:47:03 PM7/10/19
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Cheri,
Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?

Josephine

Cheri Mello

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Jul 10, 2019, 4:48:35 PM7/10/19
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Josephine,

A group of villages (freguesias) belong to a council (concelho - similar to a U.S. County).
Cheri Mello
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Rosemarie Capodicci

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Jul 10, 2019, 5:25:29 PM7/10/19
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Josephine, Councelho is like our County in the US. 

Rosemarie
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


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jomi...@sbcglobal.net

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Jul 10, 2019, 9:59:12 PM7/10/19
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Thank you Rosemarie. That helps it make sense.


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Josephine, Councelho is like our County in the US. 

Rosemarie
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:47 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL <jomi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Cheri,
Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?

Josephine

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Try this: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:23 PM jomi...@sbcglobal.net <jomi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there somewhere to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in English)?

Thanks,
Josephine Miguel

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jomi...@sbcglobal.net

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Jul 10, 2019, 9:59:12 PM7/10/19
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Thanks, I understand.  I'm quite sure I located Jacinto Miguel on page 0094, passenger number 309.  Am I reading the date correctly, as 1882 April 1 ??


On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 1:48:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
Josephine,

A group of villages (freguesias) belong to a council (concelho - similar to a U.S. County).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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Cheri,
Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?

Josephine

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Try this: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:23 PM jomi...@sbcglobal.net <jomi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there somewhere to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in English)?

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Josephine Miguel

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Margaret Vicente

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Jul 10, 2019, 10:14:07 PM7/10/19
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Yes, that’s the right date.  April 1st 1882.  Passenger # 369 he’s travelling with his wife.  Also note his brother Manuel is # 370, also travelling with wife and son.

 

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jomi...@sbcglobal.net

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Jul 11, 2019, 4:12:26 PM7/11/19
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Then that answer brings up a couple more questions.  Is his wife counted on the same line, or is she signed in with her own Passenger Number?  I looked through several pages and never found her name, nor did I see her name mentioned on his line. I was able to make out all information up to Occupation, Destination, etc.  Next, what does the date April 1st indicate?  I had prior information that their ship Monarch's sailing date was March 28, 1882.

Thank you so much for your help.
-Josephine Miguel

Cheri Mello

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Jul 11, 2019, 4:36:29 PM7/11/19
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Headings on that passaporte for that time period:
DATE (year month day) - of registration
Name
Parents
Age
Status (married, single, widowed)
Native of (council & freguesia = kinda like a U.S. county and village)
Occupation
People that are accompanying
Pieces of luggage (I think)
Type of ship? It says Vapor
Name? Not sure of this
Next one is either the name of the navigation company or something
Destination: Sandwich (that's what they called the Hawaiian islands back then)
Observations: No one has any

Here's an article on the Monarch from www.YourIslandRoutes.com by Melody Lassalle. Since the Monarch arrived July 2 and was 57 days at sea, then it had to leave May 6. http://www.yourislandroutes.com/ships/monarch.shtml
Cheri Mello
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JOSEPHINE MIGUEL

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Jul 11, 2019, 9:24:26 PM7/11/19
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Ah, that helps a great deal. I look forward to getting the hang of this...one day. Tell me, does anyone feel at risk being in the sites that say “not secure”?
Thanks again,
Josephine 

Sent from Jo's iPhone. 

jomi...@sbcglobal.net

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Jul 14, 2019, 5:06:03 PM7/14/19
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Thank you, Margaret,

Yes, I did mean Passenger #369 - my input of #309 was a typo.  Thank you for your sharp eye in noticing his brother Manuel as #370.  Originally I was not aware the wife's name and age were shown on the same line.

The column that states Occupation (re: Passport list 1882) I cannot make out the letters to arrive at the Portuguese word for their occupations, so that I can translate from there.  I would appreciate any help from anyone who can.

Thanks to all,
Josephine


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