Filomena Martins. Joao Correia de Bettencourt and Margarida, Maria, and Olinda

[Deb McCabe]

 I am hoping group members might be able to help me with two topics.

 

 

Questions:  Does anyone know anything about the families below?  Did the two sisters, Filomena and Margarida,  marry the same man or are these different men?  How should I proceed?

 

• The NEPS site for Feteira, Faial lists my grandfather's sister:   Filomena (1870 Feteira, Faial - 1955 Feteira, Faial), daughter of Jose Francisco Martins and Virginia Emilia. 
• The NEGHS site includes a marriage record for Filomena and her spouse, Joao Correia, of Pico.  The couple was married in 1891 in New Bedford.   Per the marriage cert, Joao is the son of "Manuel C." and "Francisca J. " Filomena's parents' names agree with the info in the first bullet.
• Filomena had a younger sister, Margarida Martins (1875 Feteira, Faial - death ?)  Margarida was married in New Bedford, MA to Joao Correia de Bettencourt (1866 Sao Joao, Pico - death ?) They had two daughters, Maria (1900 Feteira, Faial - death ?) and Olinda(date ?, Feteira, Faial - death ?)
• The NEHGS site includes a marriage record for Margarida and Joao in New Bedford in 1896.  This Joao is the son of Manuel Correa (sp error?) Bettencourt and Francisca Josefa.  
• It looks like both Joao's have parents wtih the same given names.  Thus my question about whether they are one in the same man.

Questions:  Would the NEPS note below suggest that there is more information available than what is shown on NEPS?  If so, how would I go about acquiring it?

• The NEPS page for Margarida's father-in-law, Manuel Correia de Bettencourt, has the following note at the bottom of the page.  NOTA: Qualquer interessado neste ramo, poderá fazer as suas pesquisas através do site de genealogia do NEPS, da Universidade do Minho, onte consta umavasta ascendência deste casal.

Thanks for taking the time to read this e-mail and for any help you might be able to provide. 

 

Deb

 

When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!

[lunamarc]

I came across this and need to correct the fact that Joao is NOT Jose. It is like saying John is Joseph. My Great Grandfather is Jose, not Joao. I tried to fix this on the CITCEM site as I noted it was there incorrectly but it just wouldn't let me. I know it's been a while since this was posted so I hope you have that worked out by now. ;)

[Bill Seidler]

I don’t know this family but was bored so decided to do some detective work.  Here are my results:

I believe they married brothers.  Filomena married João and Margarida married José.  These brothers are from São João, Lajes, Pico:

José’s baptism bottom left http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875_item1/P192.html

João’s baptism bottom right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1860-1875_item1/P103.html

Margarida and José returned to Faial, Margarida’s home and had a daughter, Maria, in 1900.  Her baptism may have originally reported and incorrect father’s name.  It seems to have two pen-and-ink corrections: one changing the birth month to March on page 2, line 2 and one changing the father’s name from João to José on the third line.  My belief is that NEPS transcribed João but José was the correct one which would explain the confusion.  

Maria’s baptism: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903_item1/P130.html (bottom right continuing on next page)

They had another daughter Olinda that gave the correct father’s name from the start.  Both of these baptisms indicate the parents were married in New Bedford.  

Olinda’s baptism: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1896-1903_item1/P180.html (bottom left)

Also, if you have access to New Bedford’s marriage logs, you can see that in 1891 Filomena married João and in 1896 Margarida married José.

I hope this helps.

Bill Seidler

[Maria Luna]

Awesome work. Thanks for sharing. How do I get the marriage logs? Is this readily available?

Also, I do know that Margarida had many more children. I believe the first was Ursula and possibly born shortly after their marriage, before going back. My have been what prompted them to go 'home'. I have not been able to find anything on an infant birth. Any tips on finding this? 

Maria

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[Bill Seidler]

They are available on Ancestry.com and on Familysearch.org.  Ancestry.com transcribed and indexed José as João in the 1996 record.  An unfortunate coincidence with the initial error on his daughter's baptism in 1900.  If you open the document though, it clearly says José.  Familysearch.org did index it correctly as José.

Bill

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