Translation help Costa Pimental families

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Janet Carminati

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Jun 2, 2019, 12:16:28 PM6/2/19
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Hello,

I believe I have found the first baptism records of the Costa side of my family who settled in Napa in the late 1800's along with the Pimental family.  Several Costas married several Pimentals including my great great grandparents Jerome Sebastian Pimental and Conceicao Marie Costa.

I am having a hard time reading the names (parent's, god parents, and confirming child name) - if anyone would be willing to help decipher these records I would very much appreciate it!

The family was from Santa Cruz, Flores and the records that I believe might be the following family members are below:

3 siblings (Ermelinda, Joseph, John Costa) - the parents are Maria de Jesus Azevedo and ? Costa

Ermelinda A Costa born July 18, 1867:

Jose (Joseph) Francisco Costa born Nov 1869 (I do not have date):

Joao (John) Costa born Oct 22 1871:
2 possible Joao Costas:
or 



The generation above include the following siblings: (Conceicao, Antone, Margarida and sister in law Maria Azevedo married to the unknown first name Costa husband)

Conceicao Marie Costa born Nov 3 1861:

The older siblings are in a different book and the handwriting is much more difficult to decipher.  Can anyone tell me what row to find the year and month so I might narrow in on these family members:
page 1 of the years 1842-1857 is at the below link:

Antone Costa born 1855 (month not known)
Maria E Costa born 1850 (month not known)
Margarida Costa born 1848 (month not known)
Maria de Jesus Azevedo (sister in law) born Jan 15 1843 - not sure if also from Santa Cruz.

Thank you all for your help.  So exciting that after about 5 years I might have traced part of the family back to the Azores - and thanks to the UPEC records which are the only documents I've found listing the town which helped narrow my search!

Regards,
Janet Carminati 


Cheri Mello

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Jun 2, 2019, 12:31:39 PM6/2/19
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Hi Janet,

Your 3 "siblings" aren't siblings. They have different parents, different grands.

You need to start with just your immigrant and find his baptism and his marriage if he married there. And then go from there. Trying to build a family off of a Maria de Jesus won't work. It's too common of a name. Post what you know about your immigrant ancestor and once you are certain of that, you can go about building his family.

Here's a "how to" on how to pick words out of the records:
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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Janet Carminati

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Jun 2, 2019, 2:23:40 PM6/2/19
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Hello Cheri,
Thanks for the advice on how to work backwards. I don’t have any information on their marriages (except those that married in CA) so might be at a dead end but will keep at it! Could you please let me know what the parent and grandparents names are in the 3 records as I can’t make them out?
Thanks again,
Janet

William Seidler

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Jun 3, 2019, 4:59:24 AM6/3/19
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Below is my take on the parent and grandparent names for Ermalinda, José, and two named João.  I see no indication that they are related to each other or the family you seek.  The link you provided to a record for "Conceição" has no Conceição that I can see on that page.  The closest I see is an exposto (male foundling) named Cornelio.


Hermalinda (sp?) Born 18 Jul 1867 and baptized on 21 July 1867

Father: Francisco Jose de Machado, natural of Santo Antonio, Magdalena, Island of Pico

Mother: Maria de Jesus, natural of this parish. Parents married in this parish where they live.

Paternal grandparents: Manuel Gonçalves Ferreira and Maria? Eulalia?

Maternal grandparents: João José da Costa and Maria de Jesus

 

José: Born 20 Nov 1869 and baptized on 25 Nov 1869

Father: José Francisco Abreu

Mother: Rita Thomasia; both parents natural of this parish where they live and were married.

Paternal grandparents: Francisco Antonio Abreu and Maria de Jesus

Maternal grandparents: José Noresio? de Simas and Maria Thomasia

 

1st João: Born 21 Oct 1871 and baptized on 25 Oct 1871

Father: José Caetano Simião

Mother: Anna de Jesus Carvalho; both parents natural of this parish

Paternal Grandparents: Manuel Caetano Simião and Anna Emilia

Maternal Grandparents: João Furtado Carvalho and Ignacia de Jesus

 

2nd João: Born 15 Nov 1871 and baptized on 19 Nov 1871.

Father: Antonio Caetano Noia

Mother: Rosa de Jesus; both parents natural of this parish

Paternal grandparents: José Caetano Noia e Maria de Jesus

Maternal grandparents: José Coelho Salvador and Margarida de Jesus


I hope you find some help in this.  Hopefully following Cheri's advice you can find a more definitive record connection.


Bill Seidler

Mary Pimentel Wheeler

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Jun 3, 2019, 7:43:32 PM6/3/19
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Do you have any birth/death/marriage dates for your Jerome Sebastian Pimentel?  I have several Sebastiao Pimentels in my tree, from Flores, and many of their male children were named (first name) Sebastiao Pimentel.  I'm wondering if there is a connection somewhere?

Janet Carminati

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Jun 9, 2019, 7:57:12 PM6/9/19
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Thanks to all that replied - very helpful as I learn more about how to do effective research!

Bill - Thank you very much  for the help with the translations - really appreciate it!

Mary - I do have lots of records for Jerome Sebastian Pimental as this was my great great grandfather.  His details are:
Birth Nov 1 1855 (Flores, but not sure what village) / death June 19 1929
Marriage to Aug 9 1877 to Conceicao Marie Costa - married in Napa CA, lived in Green Valley and Wild Horse Valley in Napa/Solano counties, eventually moved to Oakland

Potential siblings to Jerome are:
Frank J Pimental (1836 - ?) Married Maria E Costa (1850 - 1905)
Sylvester Pimental (1841 - 1903) Married to two different Maries (last name unknown) and later in life to Marie de Gloria Lorenzeo (birth/death unknown) - usually his name is spelled Pimentel.  Sylvester and Maria were witnesses for marriage of Jerome and Conceicao
Manuel Sebastian Pimental (1850 - 1912)
Vincent Sebastian Pimental (1858 - May 6, 1918) - oral family history that Vincent was Jerome's brother
Marianna Pimental (~1868 - 1950) married to Manual Levy and then to Antone Costa (1855 - 1928)

Let me know if we have any overlap in the Pimental family.

thank you all for the helpful information,
Janet

Cheri Mello

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Jun 9, 2019, 8:06:10 PM6/9/19
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Janet,

There aren't too many men in the 1850s time period named Jerome. Unless someone liked the name in the village and they all used it. Let's hope not.

You have a date of birth. Go to Tombo.pt for Flores here: https://tombo.pt/i/flores

Start with the council of Lajes. Go through every village for a Jerome born around Oct/Nov of 1855. If you don't find him, go back to the council page and look in the council of Santa Cruz and go through each village there.

Good luck!
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Janet Carminati

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Jun 19, 2019, 9:24:25 AM6/19/19
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Hello all,

Mary - I have determined that I have two Manuel Sebastiao Pimentels in my line and then one Sebastiao (Antonio?) Pimentel married to Anna de Trinidade.   My great great uncle was Manuel Sebastiao Pimentel (b Oct 22 1848 d May 4 1904) married to Maria da Gloria Pimental.  Manuel's father was also Manuel Sebastiao Pimental (not sure about birth date, married to Maria de Rosario on Jan 9, 1845).  Do you have these in your line?

Could anyone can help decipher some of the names in the below records as I work to determine the relationships?

Death record Sebastiao Pimentel (bottom of pg 2)


Marriage record for Sebastiao Pimentel - this might not be correct as I cannot determine if "Pimentel" is listed (top of pg 1)
I believe the names are:
Sebastiao's parents - Joao Pimental and ? Frietas 
Anna's parents are Antonio Rosario and Maria da Trinidad


Baptism of Antonio (?)
Father - Sebastiao Antonio Pimentel (?)
Mother - Anna da Trinidad
Paternal grandparents - Joao Pimental G? and Marianna de Freitas
Maternal grandparents - Antonio ? and Maria da Trinidad


Thank you all for the assistance!
Janet

Mary Pimentel Wheeler

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Jun 25, 2019, 6:34:48 PM6/25/19
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Hello Janet and others,

Is it possible that your Jerome Sebastian Pimentel was originally named Jacinto Pimentel?  I found a Jacinto baptized in Fajazinha on, I believe, November 1 1855.  Here is the link and what I understand it to read.  Please chime in if you see it saying something else.   If this is him, knowing how he got the Sebastian middle name would be interesting to find out, but at least now we would have his parent's names.


Jacinto, son of Anthony Joze Pimentel and Anna de Jesus. 
Born on the (?) of October and baptized on the first day of November.
Paternal grandparents are Antonio Joze Pimentel and Anna de Conceicao
Maternal grandparents Manuel de Freitas and Anna de Freitas

Janet Carminati

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Jun 29, 2019, 11:38:20 AM6/29/19
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Hello Mary and others,

I believe the below link is my Jerome although would appreciate help with the name in the margin as there appears to be a Y within the name. He was born Nov (1?) in 1852 which is slightly off from his obit and gravestone. Son of Manuel Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria de Rosario also in Fajãzinha. I traced the family to that village from his nephews entry in the UPEC records. He has a younger brother Vincent and older brother Manuel. I’m still trying to determine the relation between Sylvester who I believe might be his uncle - I am having a hard time reading the handwriting of his records.

Sylvester, Jerome, Manuel & Francisco all went to wild horse valley (Napa/Sonoma border). Manuel returned to the Azores after he was naturalized, married and had a son Antonio and then died in the Azores. Antonio and his mother Maria de Gloria then immigrated to Sonoma the early 1900s.

Jerome (sp?) baptism record:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860_item1/P32.html

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!
Janet

Cheri Mello

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Jun 29, 2019, 11:58:57 AM6/29/19
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Hi Janet C,

Many older spellings have the "y" instead of the "i." So he was recorded as Jeronymo, which in modern Portuguese would be Jeronimo. Record Jeronimo in your genealogy program and make a note that he is recorded with the older spelling of Jeronymo.

You are lucky. Grandparents aren't recorded in this time period, but this priest chose to do so. Paternal grandparents: Sebastiao Antonio Pimentel and Anna de Santa Josepha (not sure about that Santa Josepha). Maternals: Manuel de Something Maia de ____ and Maria do Rosario.

Yes, you have the birth date correct. Many of our immigrant ancestors didn't know their actual birth date.

Someone else will be able to get those missing words. Cheri

Cheri Mello
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JR

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Jun 29, 2019, 3:08:38 PM6/29/19
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Page 31, Jeronymo, filho de Manoel Sebastiao Pimentel e sua mulher Maria do Rozario moradores na Fajazinha, neto paterno de Sebastiao Antonio Pimentel e sua mulher Anna da Trinadade (confirmed by marriage record), neto materna de Manoel de Freitas e Maio e sua mulher Maria do Rozario todos nats? desta fregueszia de NS do Remedios freguezia das Fajas, Ilha das Flores; born Nov 1- 1852, bap- Nov 2- 1852; Padrinho, Jeronymo das Freitas (no godmother).

 

Below is the marriage, page 35 verso:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1837-1845/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1837-1845_item1/P37.html

 

Jan 9- 1845, Fajazinha, NS dos Remedios, Manoel Sebastiao Pimentel, filho de Sebastiao de Pimentel and Anna da Trindade com Maria do Rozario, filha de Manoel de Freitas e Maio and Maria do Rozario naturaes desta parochial onde contrahentes forao baptizados (they were baptised in same parish)

 

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Janet Carminati

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Jun 30, 2019, 4:45:50 PM6/30/19
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Thank you Cheri and JR - really helpful as I work through the family names!

I think I have additional records from Jeromymo’s grandfather Sebastiao Antonio Pimentel. Would appreciate it if others can help confirm I have the names correct.


Death record Sebastiao Pimentel (bottom of pg 2)
Not sure the same person as I don’t see a wife or parent’s names listed.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-O-1840-1848/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-O-1840-1848_item1/P68.html


Marriage record for Sebastiao and Anna da Trinidad (top of pg 1)
Date Mar 21, 26 or 27 (?) 1811
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1767-1833/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1767-1833_item1/P224.html
I believe the names are:
Sebastiao's parents - Joao Pimentel and Marianna de Frietas
Anna's parents are Antonio Rosario ? and Maria da Trinidad


Baptism of Antonio - July 3 or 13, 1820
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1812-1825/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1812-1825_item1/P90.html
Father - Sebastiao Antonio Pimentel
Mother - Anna da Trinidad
Paternal grandparents - Joao Pimental G? and Marianna de Freitas
Maternal grandparents - Antonio ? and Maria da Trinidad


Thank you all!
Janet
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