Avare & Stratus3

[Andrew Sarangan]

Last few times I flew, I had Avare working with the Stratus3. Then I upgraded Avare from the previous version (not sure which one I had) to the current version. Now I am not receiving any data from Stratus. The wifi is connected and the SSID is correct. There used to be a I/O tab on Avare, but that is gone now. I see no messages showing on the Tools tab. I could downgrade my Avare, but I am not sure how. Any ideas?

[John W SBA]

You may want to check that Android's Background Data is turned on, and
that Power Saving is turned off.

[Andrew Sarangan]

I think I figured it out. The "Open ADSB" mode on the Stratus was off. Either another pilot did this, or perhaps it got reset by itself. The problem is that you need an iOS tablet to access the configuration. I had to borrow an iPad, install the Stratus Horizon Pro app, and the turn on the Open ADSB mode. If you don't have an iPad you will be out of luck. I hope this information helps someone else in the same situation. 

[Bruce & Alice Brooks]

I have the Stratus 3i also and had to buy a “parts only” iphone 6 (works on wifi only) just to enable Open Mode.  The 3i will stay in Open Mode through power cycles but if one of my partners using FF uses it, it will switch and stay there until Open Mode is set again. If you go the route I did be sure the i-thingy you get supports IOS-12 which is needed for the Stratus Horizon Pro app.

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[Andrew Sarangan]

So are you saying that Foreflight will automatically switch off Open Mode? I thought it had to be intentionally switched off through the Horizon Pro app.

On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 11:58:06 PM UTC-4, kona...@bbkona.com wrote:

I have the Stratus 3i also and had to buy a “parts only” iphone 6 (works on wifi only) just to enable Open Mode.  The 3i will stay in Open Mode through power cycles but if one of my partners using FF uses it, it will switch and stay there until Open Mode is set again. If you go the route I did be sure the i-thingy you get supports IOS-12 which is needed for the Stratus Horizon Pro app.

 

From: apps4a...@googlegroups.com [mailto:apps4a...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 7:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [Apps4Av] Avare & Stratus3

 

I think I figured it out. The "Open ADSB" mode on the Stratus was off. Either another pilot did this, or perhaps it got reset by itself. The problem is that you need an iOS tablet to access the configuration. I had to borrow an iPad, install the Stratus Horizon Pro app, and the turn on the Open ADSB mode. If you don't have an iPad you will be out of luck. I hope this information helps someone else in the same situation. 

 

On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 8:28:59 PM UTC-4, John W SBA wrote:

You may want to check that Android's Background Data is turned on, and
that Power Saving is turned off.

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[Bruce & Alice Brooks]

In my experience with my partners when they open FF it requires them switch to proprietary mode where it will stay until I switch it back to open mode.

 

From: apps4a...@googlegroups.com [mailto:apps4a...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 7:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Apps4Av] Avare & Stratus3

 

So are you saying that Foreflight will automatically switch off Open Mode? I thought it had to be intentionally switched off through the Horizon Pro app.

 

On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 11:58:06 PM UTC-4, kona...@bbkona.com wrote:

I have the Stratus 3i also and had to buy a “parts only” iphone 6 (works on wifi only) just to enable Open Mode.  The 3i will stay in Open Mode through power cycles but if one of my partners using FF uses it, it will switch and stay there until Open Mode is set again. If you go the route I did be sure the i-thingy you get supports IOS-12 which is needed for the Stratus Horizon Pro app.

 

From: apps4a...@googlegroups.com [mailto:apps4a...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 7:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [Apps4Av] Avare & Stratus3

 

I think I figured it out. The "Open ADSB" mode on the Stratus was off. Either another pilot did this, or perhaps it got reset by itself. The problem is that you need an iOS tablet to access the configuration. I had to borrow an iPad, install the Stratus Horizon Pro app, and the turn on the Open ADSB mode. If you don't have an iPad you will be out of luck. I hope this information helps someone else in the same situation. 

 

On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 8:28:59 PM UTC-4, John W SBA wrote:

You may want to check that Android's Background Data is turned on, and
that Power Saving is turned off.

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[Eric Jessen]

I installed a 3i and was never able to get it to work with Avare.  If you do get a 3/3i, I strongly recommend that you password protect the wifi.  This can be set in Horizon pro, and will prevent some FF user walking across the ramp from accidently resetting the 3/3i back to proprietary mode.

[J Mena]

I've had success with Avare (latest update)  working with Stratus 3i multiple times, First, I open Avare on my tablet and then connect Wifi stratus3i, then I'll open Fltplan Go - external connections- GDL90 mode, close Fltplan Go, and I'm up and running.  In Avare preferences external WiFi Port 4000 - GPS Position Source - all Available.  

[Andrew Sarangan]

Are you suggesting that Fltplan Go is able to switch the Stratus from proprietary mode to the open mode? 

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[J Mena]

Seems like it, last week I took a solo flight and worked perfectly, this was at 7 am, 2 days later around 2 pm decided to try the very same procedures with my flight instructor connecting his iPad first to the Stratus3i, Avare connected fine.  I fly tomorrow morning let me know if there is something you would like me to try different.

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[Bruce & Alice Brooks]

Let us know if you see any FIS-b weather messages from the Stratus 3i along with gps and traffic.

 

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[Andrew Sarangan]

That is good to know. If Fltplan Go can force Stratus to switch modes, then Avare should also be able to do it, no?

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[J Mena]

That's a good question, my knowledge is pretty limited when it comes to software, maybe the developer could come up with a way to switch modes like Fltplan Go 

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[J Mena]

Only had limited time to dig deep into Avare today, the Gps and traffic still works fine, but couldn't bring up FIS-B weather messages, I'll try again on Wednesday 

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[Andrew Sarangan]

I tried connecting to the Stratus3 today using Fltplan Go, and it kept saying "no connection". Avare also had no connection. The wifi was clearly connected. Just a bit earlier in the day, my friend was able to connect to it with foreflight, and it worked. So it doesn't seem Fltplan Go is able to switch to GDL90 mode.

[Peter Gustafson]

All, FWIW I reached out to the Stratus people about 6 months ago asking for some links to api documentation that might allow us to implement the connection switch.  I received NO response.

I personally think that the way this is configured is very clearly intended to continue to make FF appear (artificially) to be the superior product.  They can advertise compatibility of hardware (addressing their biggest detractors criticism), essentially fooling people into investing in their product. But they implemented it so their (business partner) FF always "just works", and anything else constantly needs to do time wasting and costly workarounds.

Stratus variants still receive a "no go" recommendation from me until they address this.

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[Bruce & Alice Brooks]

I agree with you 100%!  I got duped into installing the Stratus ESG/3i combo in my plane and now use a StratuX box.  I do not recommend Apperreo/Stratus to anyone.

 

Their support sux too.

 

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All, FWIW I reached out to the Stratus people about 6 months ago asking for some links to api documentation that might allow us to implement the connection switch.  I received NO response.

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[Eric Jessen]

+1, you can not sip the Coolaid, they will tip the cup up and you will end up drinking it all.

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[Andrew Sarangan]

I have a Stratux, which I offered to leave it in our club airplane so that both FF users and other users can access. But the FF users insist that Stratus is better, so my offer was declined. Yes, the coolaid description is very appropriate. 

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[Barrett Thompson]

Fwiw, I sent the following email to Brian Babik (Appareo rep for my region) and copied their Support and Solutions email addresses. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, they say...

Hello Brian. I wanted to share with you and your team some frustrations and negative feelings I, and quite a few others, have been having towards Appareo, and specifically with regards to the GDL-90 Open ADS-B mode implementation on the Stratus 3i. The forum thread I've forwarded is just one example. I purchased a Stratus 3i at Oshkosh earlier this year after talking with reps at your booth, as I already had an ESG installed in my plane. I was sold on adding the 3i for better ADS-B In reception, less cockpit clutter, and effortless integration with any EFB that used the GDL-90 protocol. But quite honestly, I share the same sentiments expressed below - I feel like I was tricked into buying it based on promises that have turned out to be much more hassle and difficulty than was presented to me. Instead, I haven't gotten much out of the product besides disappointment, and I continue to use the Stratux that I built several years ago as it integrates seamlessly into my cockpit. My attempts to talk with Appareo's support team have been either dismissive or altogether ignored, and I'm hearing more and more people with similar experiences. As people continue to ask for word-of-mouth recommendations for ADS-B equipment, these interactions and lack of service and support lead me to recommend that people steer clear of Appareo/Stratus products. The Open ADS-B mode is a great idea and certainly represents what could be a move in the right direction, but it seems there still needs to be an attitude shift before it could actually be considered a viable feature. I truly hope you guys can use these criticisms constructively and take steps towards a better solution.

Barrett

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[Eric Jessen]

It's pretty hard to get an 800lb gorilla off his a$$.  I applaud the effort, but don't get your hopes up.

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[Peter A. Gustafson]

:) Keep at it!  That was great.

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[Andrew Sarangan]

I ran across the iflyGPS forum where they claim their latest version will force Stratus3 to switch to GDL90 mode. So Stratus must be providing this information to third party software. So why not to Avare?

https://www.iflygps.com/Support/Forum/forumid/28/postid/38796/scope/posts

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[t v]

Hi Andrew and everyone.

From everything I know, others will chime in later,  the developer  of  Stratus3 did not provide  sufficient information to make it work, read some of the above posts.

I do not think Reverse engineering is something that should be done, even when possible, if they do not want other apps to interface with them, and give them the information needed, I do not think it's worth dealing with.

My hope is that some of the Avare users make decisions on what to purchase / use based on the how open to the market the manufacturer is.

There is no denying that some manufacturers seem to have the majority control over the market and they will do what they think it's best for them, until they find out that it is not, and then they will change their minds? TV

[John W SBA]

> iflyGPS f... latest version will force Stratus3 to switch to GDL90

Hopeful news. Maybe they'll finally respond to the Avare Dev Team's
inquiries.

> Stratus...providing this information... So why not to Avare?

Maybe because Avare is too much competition for FF. ;)

Seriously tho, if it actually works that's no guarantee StratuS supplied
the info. From what I've read here and in regard to other apps, it
seems to me far more likely that the app developer managed to discover a
way to do it. If so, it seems quite unlikely that 3rd party developer
would be interested to share how it was done. Based on past attempts by
3rd party devs to work with StratuS, it's likely FF will issue a
software update in conjunction with a Stratus firmware update to disable
any 3rd party capability.

All that said, thanks for reporting this hopeful news. Please keep us
posted on anything else you learn of. Maybe there's a chance that
StratuS owners who don't choose FF won't have to sell their StratuS at a
loss and buy a StratuX. Seems to me that more people would buy StratuS
if it were truly open and compatible.