Avare: Load approach into flight plan - not working anymore?

[Oscar Charlie]

Used to be able to hit the AP button on a plate and load the approach waypoints into the flight plan. Not all plates had the data, but most did. Tried using recently, first time after switch to the new chart format. None of the platea I tried had approaches available, all of them were showing the red AP button.

Has something changed? Was the feature removed?

[Jeffrey Ross]

Oscar,

go to search and enter the airport name, you'll see the available procedures,  SIDs, STARs, and approaches, choose the appropriate one showing the correct transition point and you can add that to your flight plan.

I will admit the names do need some help identifying which is which.

Jeff

On 11/30/24 11:39 PM, Oscar Charlie wrote:

Used to be able to hit the AP button on a plate and load the approach waypoints into the flight plan. Not all plates had the data, but most did. Tried using recently, first time after switch to the new chart format. None of the platea I tried had approaches available, all of them were showing the red AP button.

Has something changed? Was the feature removed?

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[Oscar Charlie]

I have tried both the main tab FIND function, and the flight plan waypoint search function. None of them show approaches or any other procedures that can be loaded. What am I missing?

[Brian Blum]

I suspect you and Jeff aren't talking about the same thing.  You're asking about the AP button which used to transfer all of the points from an IAP straight into the flight plan, and Jeff is telling you how to find plates.

I asked your same question weeks ago and no one knew what I was talking about, either.  Apparently no one used that terrific function except you and me.  ;)

[Jeffrey Ross]

I provided instructions on including the approach waypoints into AvareX.

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[Brian 'Maverick' Blum]

I'm not seeing that.

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[Jeffrey Ross]

See my last comment, I gave you instructions for AvareX.  Based upon your screenshot you are using (legacy) Avare.

There have been multiple changes to the database that provides the data to both Avare and AvareX, we will need to check to see what changed that broke the ability to load approaches into Avare and see if it can be easily fixed without breaking the database for AvareX.

Jeff

[Brian Blum]

Got it - tried it - it works, but it's super clunky.

[John Schreiber]

This smells like the plates no longer have the geo referenced data. Is it possible to try with a previous update cycle?

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[Apps4av Support]

Nothing has changed in the obstacles code. Can you try 11.0.3 in the devices where 11.0.0 works? 

On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 11:57 AM Bradley Spatz <bradle...@gmail.com> wrote:

What are the Avare Legacy requirements for enabling the display of obstacles?  I have 2 devices (Android 12, 13; 11.0.0) where this seems to work (see attachment), but 2 others (11.0.3) where it doesn't.  On each I have:

enabled Menu/Preferences/Display: Show Obstacles

downloaded Terrain: Elevation SE and Shaded Relief SE

downloaded current Databases (which I assume includes obstacle DB)

Am I missing something, and/or are their known limitations/dependencies?  Known issue with 11.0.0 vs. newer, or with newer Android like 14, etc?

Thank you.

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[Mike Watson]

I'll be interested in this too. I am just setting up Avare legacy on a tablet and noticed the same problem. Obstacles show on my phone that has Android 14 but not showing on my tablet that has Android 13.

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[Bradley Spatz]

Well, 11.0.0 is working on those devices.  Risk if 11.0.3 doesn't work...only back-rev via side-loading (OK for me, but OS and other software trying to "help" me is the problem).

Dependency changes, e.g. GPS interface (for altitude), etc.?  Maybe not the obstacle code itself...

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[Bradley Spatz]

Actually no way to back-rev to 11.0.0; only 11.0.1 available as APK...so no thank you.

So about my questions on requirements...?

[Apps4av Support]

All you need to do is enable obstacles. 

Or try AvareX version 37.

[Bradley Spatz]

Oh I've been trying AvareX...

[Bradley Spatz]

Flew with 0.0.37 today on a short hop....obstacles (tower) worked very well.  Looks like 6 nm and 500 feet thresholds?  Might be helpful to call like traffic if close?

Traffic depiction is good and like detail upon "keypress."  Audible calls via Bluetooth worked well but miss the distance.

AvareX coming along nicely.  Thank you Blue Skies!

[Glendale flyer]

I have the same problem and, as mentioned in this thread, it appears that the approach plates are no longer geo referenced.  I thought a first this was because I had not updated my plates since the download structure change.  I reloaded SW plates and I still see red AP for all 3 RNAV approaches at KDVT.  

Was there a change to the geo referencing policy that I missed?  These plates used to be geo referenced and to be loadable with "AP".

Thanks if anyone has the answer.

Avare 11.0.3 on an Android phone.

[Brian 'Maverick' Blum]

The taxi diagrams are georeferenced, and if you overlay an IAP plate on the sectional, it's clearly georeferenced, too.

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[Glendale flyer]

How would I overlay an approach plate on the sectional? The way I used to do it was to press "AP" (green) which loaded the IAP routing to the flight plan then I could overlay the flight plan on the sectional.  I cannot do that anymore for the three RNAV approaches at KDVT.

Pressing "AP" (red) results in a pop-up message - "No approaches available for this plate".  That's not very informative given that the active plate is an RNAV.  It would be a reasonable response for pressing AP on the airport diagram.

My assumption that the plates are not geo referenced may not be correct.  What I see is a green dot on the runway symbol and a "Tag" icon center right which allows me to "geo-tag a custom plate".

[Apps4av Support]

The AP button does not function because AP database have been removed. Try AvareX if you want to load approaches in plan.

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[Glendale flyer]

I may have confused geo-tag with geo-referenced.   The local RNAV plates are clearly geo-referenced as my current gps position is shown on the plate.   My recollection is that plates also need to be geo-tagged and that was already done for the downloadable plates.

[Glendale flyer]

Thanks for confirming it no longer works.  Has Avare been abandoned in favor of AvareX?  What does AvareX offer that was not in the original version?  Can you point me to the annnouncement as I seem to have missed it.

Thanks

[Steve Blank]

Wish the approach loading still worked for classic Avare. Prefer its clearer and more intuitive UI. If we must move to X, a few suggestions for loading and viewing procedures.

Why enter airport with FIND to search cryptic procedure descriptions when Plates lists them in a pop up menu?  As in legacy, the plate view screen should have a button to insert the procedure on departure from or arrival to the related airport. We note that the clunky process using FIND inserts the procedure AFTER arrival at destination, which requires manually editing the plan. That cannot be the intended solution. 

Would also suggest that when viewing a plate, the name of that open plate be highlighted in the plate list when the list is reopened to select another plate to view (to distinguish alternatives on the pop up list).  Also, a different highlight to distinguish procedures that have been added to the flight plan. 

Also perhaps a button to rotate plate 90° to view landscape plates. 

[Robert Ohrenberg]

Are you able to load approach procedures in AvareX?  If so, how?  If it’s intuitive, it doesn’t seem intuitive to me. I can’t figure it out. 

[Robert Ohrenberg]

OBE. Did some more reading and finally figured it out. 

[Glendale flyer]

I have found no documentation but I did find a video introduction for iOS.  Very few of the features shown in that short video work on my Android phone.  E.g.

Sort the data bar - inop (scroll left right does work)

Touch an airport on the chart - nothing happens

Plates - displays nothing

Find - no response to Recent, Nearest, Nearest 2k, or nearest 4k.  Entering a search string KDVT or DVT (my base airport) does nothing.

Flight plan, actions, create - Enter a few airports and select create as entered . See rotating timer symbol but nothing else happens.

What does work - 

I can display sectional and TAC and my device position is shown correctly on those charts.

Menu opens and all listed functions can be opened

Map pan, pinch, zoom all work

Center works

Layers appear to display as selected

Chart selection works

Caliper (distance measuring tool)  works

Rubber banding - unable to test as have not been able to create a flight plan

My device is a ZTE phone (Z5156CC) that has a current system (no updates available) but does not appear to display the Android version anywhere.  AvareX is ver 0.0.39+39.

 Avare does work on this device except for the inability to load approach waypoint to the flight plan.  I entered each waypoint manually for one local RNAV.

[Apps4av Support]

When nothing works you know it's not the app.

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[Glendale flyer]

Which is why I listed the things that do work.   

When some features work, but other features that use the same hardware interface do not work, it quite likely is the app or incompatibility between the app and the OS.

[Apps4av Support]

You are missing the database likely. 

The app tries to download it but if you cancel it, it wont. It could happen by mistake. You need to download it manually now.

There are many ways to know about it. If you go to download, it will tell you, or there is a red icon on top right on the screen. You need to click it to download database.

AvareX does a lot that does not need database so its download is not enforced.  Legacy app cannot function without it so its downloaded on every restart of app when missing.

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[Glendale flyer]

There was no red icon on the downloads page.  Databases showed a green check and cycle 2413.  I had also downloaded Sectional, TAC,  IFR low,  Plates, and CSUP for SW region.  These all also showed green check and cycle 2413.

I downloaded databases again.  There were no download error messages, no red icon, and green checked cycle 2413 was shown.  There was no change to any of the inoperative features previously reported.

[Apps4av Support]

Then it's probably the phone not fast enough for X.

Try disabling weather later and tfr layer.

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[Glendale flyer]

I deselected all layers except Nav and Chrt.  It made no difference.

[Glendale flyer]

I found the Android version.  It is ver 10.  CPU is MediaTec Helio A22 4 cores 1.8 GHz.

[Apps4av Support]

App version 40 will be released soon. Try there but after uninstalling the older version.

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