Bluecoins

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Zdravím, jsem dlouholetým uživatelem anMoney. Provedl jsem dlouhodobý průzkum vhodných aplikaci a potvrzují předešlý příspěvek, že aplikace Bloucoins se jeví jako vhodný nástupce. Provedl jsem export dat z anMoney, upravil je dle požadavků Bluecoins a importoval do aplikace. Nebylo to jednoduché je třeba provést řádu úprav, ale výsledek je dobrý.
Aplikace Bloucoins má v podstatě všechny funkce námi oblíbené aplikace anMoney, ale neumí otevřít více než jednu knihu.
Oslovil jsem dopisem podporu s žádostí o sdělení jaký bude další vývoj.
O odpovědi budu informovat.

[Rick Jones]

Hi (sorry I can't reply in Czech!)

Good to hear you've found Bluecoins a suitable replacement. In my case I have a lot of inter-account transfers and many categories/sub-categories. I also use both sets of classifications available in anMoney. I was unable to properly import existing transactions, using either QIF or CSV, which was a sticking point.

If I really had to move to Bluecoins, I think I would just have to freeze my data in anMoney, and make a CSV archive, then start afresh with current opening balances, It would still lack many features I rely on, although it does have some things anMoney doesn't, such as dual-currency within a transaction, and external events (although it looks like SMS will fall foul of new Android permissions).

I posted my issues in the Bluecoins forum, and got a considered response from the developer. One thing I hadn't been able to see in Bluecoins was future projections, but apparently is does do it. I think that's a case of getting used to a different paradigm.

[Manuel Costa]

I am currently using AnMoney and Blucoins at the same time ... I know I have double work, but I believe that sooner or later we will have to leave AnMoney.

At Bluecoins, I chose to start from scratch, only with the current balances and created all the recurring transactions ... until now the thing works in an acceptable way ...

[Andrew Vevers]

I've spent a good week going over all the current offerings (around 15 or so), and have found BlueCoins to NOT be the closest to AnMoney. For me, it's My Budget Book - and I have had a few emails with the developer as to how it can mirror some of the functionality so it's good to know that the guy is still responsive.

My Budget Book doesn't (and won't for a good while yet) do split transactions, but it does a lot of stuff that anMoney does. It might be that I need to reformat split transactions after I export to CSV format, to allow MBB to import it successfully, but right now I am still not moving off anMoney until I absolutely have to!

[Sylvain Bouju]

Yes, I think too that this is the good method, and that is the way I have switched, many many years ago, from "MaTirelire" (Palm OS) to anMoney ! ;)

Sylvain Bouju

[Octavio Sampaio,]

Hello guys,

I also tried Bluecoins, but it can´t import from gif files ( a format date problem, accepts only MM/dd/yy, and I work with DD/mm/yy ). I´ve just upgraded my Samsung 9+ to Android 9, and for the first time, when I returned from a trip to Europe ( using euros and CHF ), I had a problem with the exchange rates, and also importing some gif files in this currency to my MSmoney. ( it returns with a memory(?) problem, that certainly was not the issue). I manually had to transfer the transactions from one program to another. I don´t know if this will be a recurring problem, but till now everything is working fine with AnMoney. I´ll give a try with My Budget, and will post here my impressions. 

[Gary Reger]

Does My Budget Book accept CSV imports from anMoney successfully ?

[Octavio Sampaio,]

I didn't see any import manner and so I discard it.

[Octavio Sampaio,]

And Money Wis3, anyone tried it?

[Andrew Vevers]

At first glance it did for me although I haven't gone through the thousands of entries I have. If you have "simple" entries in anMoney, and not much in the way of split payments or transfers, you might be OK. For me - I know that I need to do some work on the CSV file to get MBB to accept it properly. 

[Andrew Vevers]

Yes - but not for long. Too expensive to just remove ads (I wouldn't use the online functionality). Looks good, though.

[Petr Tajovsky]

Hello Octavio,

I have just tried MoneyWiz3. Export from anMoney to CSV, import to Wiz3. Working well, no issues. Wiz3 shows similar items like anMoney in the list of transactions and it is configurable what you want to see there.

I have more books in anMoney and it seems you can have only one in Wiz3. There is some mention of multiple databases, but I did not try yet.

I also tried only the simple book from anMoney for export. Just two accounts, no split transactions. But they have different currencies and transfers between them were imported correctly.

I will try using Wiz3 for some time together with anMoney, but so far it looks pretty good.

[Andrew Vevers]

I've just seen there is a "Standard" option (non-subscription) in Money Wiz 3, which is £4.59 ($6) for a one-off payment. I had no idea. Now I am interested again...

[Andrew Vevers]

Petr - "I have more books in anMoney and it seems you can have only one in Wiz3." - Money Wiz 3 supports multiple groups - would a group represent a collection of anMoney books?

[Petr Tajovsky]

Hello Andrew,

I think groups in Wiz3 correspond to account type in anMoney. Like Bank accounts, Credit Cards, Cash and so on.

I don't want total sum of all my books, I need them independent.

But yes, except of the sum, groups could be used as books, you are right.

I am juat trying to import another of my books to Bluecoins and it needs much more CSV modifications than Wiz3

[Andrew Vevers]

I haven't looked in any depth at MW3, but will do with great interest, now that I don't need to pay £40 each year!

[Andrew Vevers]

OK I might have been a little hasty about Bluecoins. Having spent a few hours with it it's clearly got a lot more going for it than I'd realised so in fairness here are my latest findings.

I couldn't get used to the fact that it doesn't open up with today's transactions, but effectively it does, as long as you don't manually enter future dated transactions. Instead, add reminders and let those be added into your list on the day they're due. Anmoney allows you to have future transactions enter your list at any time in advance that you choose; BC doesn't, sadly. Nevertheless I can get used to this change.

- the recurring functionality is excellent and comprehensive
- it supports payees as a "names" field which has auto fill. if you change one instance it doesn't affect the others unlike anM so it's more loosely coupled in BC. There's a way round this, so not a deal breaker
- autofill is excellent
- bulk processing is excellent
- calendar functionality is excellent - this is what allows you to forecast future balances up to the defined monthly period (based on the user defined "last day of the month")
- it apparently imports QIF (which threw a java exception) and, with work, CSV (which worked).
- it properly supports split transactions
- it has a recycle bin from where you can restore accidentally deleted transactions - superb.
- it's actively updated

Certainly looking good so far... and I am finding it is quicker to get around than Money Wiz 3, which is what I am keen on - get in, entries added, get out.

[Ignacio Perez]

One of the strengths of anMoney is the flexibility you have to create budgets: you can budget any amount on irregular periods.  For instance, in a given category you can budget U$100 in march, U$20 in june and U$210 in november without any hassle. You can´t do that in BC, you have to stick to equal amounts with a given periodicity.

[Octavio Sampaio,]

Hello guys

Here are some first impressions of Bluecoins.

I finally managed to import to Bluecoins in a qif mode, ( attention with the date format -MM/dd/yyyy). In AnMoney I export all my accounts to XXXX.qif, with the initial date Jan,1/19 and final date Feb,25/19. After that, I import to Bluecoins. The result, after having to map all accounts ( previously added to Bluec), I had to map also the Beneficiaries. It worked very well ( as told by the app), but the result was not so interesting. 

First of all, I have two bank accounts ( with different names), but the app merges them. Another thing, I have many transactions in different currencies, and apparently, Bluecoins have a base currency and did not understand the other ones ( I had to manually change the currencies). The problem is that I put all currencies in different wallets, and again the app merges them all in just one. 

There is a special section for credit cards, and I spent time registering mines. Again you can´t determine the credit card currency. Again I was stuck by this matter. I thought this probably was a Standard procedure, so I bought the Premium app to see what´s different. Till this moment I didn´t see anything different that proves one better than the other. I didn´t think I can get my money back. I´ll try to put my first impressions in Play store and see the answers from the developers.

[Octavio Sampaio,]

I´m also trying MOBILIS. The only thing it did very well was importing my entire bank account to the app. The other accounts, I tried .csv, but are encountering some difficulties. Nevertheless, it seems to me better than Bluecoins. Has anyone given it a chance?

[Ignacio Perez]

I'd like to hear a litlle bit more about it, being paid I'd like to be sure it is a worthy alternative

[Ignacio Perez]

Another problem with Bluecoins is the way it handles labels. I postged this on the bluecoins forumns today:

I've been able to import 30.000+ transactions. Categories &labels are not being imported correctly: for instance I've a Category Auto, subcategory Gasolina (In QIF it is Auto:Gasolina) I have two labels KIA and Duster. Transactions are imported with two new categories Auto:Gasolina/KIA and Auto:Gasolina/Duster. This means that I've 140+ categories now and no labels. 

[Octavio Sampaio]

The only interesting thing is that it have a web desktop app also. So, if it fits your needs you don't have to use MSMoney any more.

Octavio
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[Fredrik Blomqvist]

The main reason I've given up (for now) on switching to Bluecoins is that it doesn't support custom budgeting. E.g. if I have annual, semi-monthly, etc. bills/costs that I want to budget, it is currently not possible. In anMoney, you can choose custom for a budget category which allows you to specify an amount for each month (and it's possible to leave them as 0). Furthermore, if I have an annual bill, it's budgeted correctly, which was not the case in Bluecoins last time I checked. I think Bluecoins will become the replacement one day if a lot more work is put into it, but for now, it feels quite unpolished/lacks certain features still. It's gotten a lot better in the past year or so, but still has ways to go (e.g. the interface feels clunky imo). Tbh, if anMoney stopped working with some version of Android (currently on Pie/9 and so far so good) I'll just do what someone else mentioned and either have an older Android device solely for the purpose of running anMoney, or try to get it running in an emulator on my computer (in an easy-to-use fashion). I'd hope that a replacement (e.g. Bluecoins) is ready in 4-5 years, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not. As a developer myself, I've been tempted to start developing a copycat version for years now, but I don't have much experience in Java or Android development, so it would be a slow start, and I'm sure it'd take quite a while to get a simpler version going. I think the best solution is to create an open source project and then work from there (assuming that someone would be willing to lay the groundwork on it of course). Maybe even a Patreon to fund development (I would happily contribute ~$10/month), which could be a good incentive (assuming it would yield perhaps $200-300/month). I just feel that the Bluecoins developer, although talented, does not understand what made anMoney great.

[Ignacio Perez]

Hi all,

That's exactly the same feature that's lacking, that has made me to stick with anMoney even though on Pi 9 it is beginning to crash.  I experienced a new crash today, while checking on my budget and trying to see all transactions on a certain category. 

Also importing transactions to Bluecoins correctly is a pin in the a**:, categories/labels are not imported a new category **QIF** is created that is not practical. in the past the developer respondend rather quickly but now I posted a couple of requests on the forum and I´ve had no reaction ina a week or so.

It's a pity anMoney is no longer there

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[Mauricio Alejandro Vázquez]

That is exactly what I believe. We must put together a fundraising project and open it to the market. I join, but we need to make it viable.

[Petros Lufeli]

I'm trying Expense IQ, seems to be close to anMoney. Imported my QIF file accurately (has about 10000 entries in 3 accounts). Also has split transactions and cloud sync. Presentation is decent, but seems to be lacking a few reports like net worth/ forecast. Usual reports like spending by category, payee etc are included. Budgets, recurring bills/transactions

[Octavio Sampaio]

Following Petros' suggestion I installed Expense IQ and it seems very interesting. However I managed to import many accounts by qif, I'm having trouble with exporting qif filed to import in my desktop Money. The file is therebut the transactions are not showing in Money. The split transactions are ok, but you don't have space to add notes for each one( as AnMoney). Still not sure what to do....

Octavio
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Em ter, 2 de abr de 2019 7:40 AM, Petros Lufeli <drpl...@gmail.com> escreveu:

I'm trying Expense IQ, seems to be close to anMoney. Imported my QIF file accurately (has about 10000 entries in 3 accounts). Also has split transactions and cloud sync. Presentation is decent, but seems to be lacking a few reports like net worth/ forecast. Usual reports like spending by category, payee etc are included. Budgets, recurring bills/transactions

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[Petr Tajovsky]

I have also tried Expense IQ quickly. Looks good, but there is a disadvantage for people spending in more currencies. The application allows accounts in different currencies, but then it cannot combine them in reports. If I buy some groceries for Eur and some for Czk, it will show only the ones bought for Czk in Daily Expenses and Expense by Category overview. Otherwise the application looks really good. Just a bit expensive, 50 Eur for lifetime licence.

[Octavio Sampaio]

I forgot to say that  I bought my expense IQ with a really good discount. I paid for the app 10 euros with my Google credits. I think the offer will last  to 4 more days . If you are thinking in use the app I suggest that you make it quickly and get the huge discount life time. 

I'll keep posting here my impressions

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[Fredrik Blomqvist]

This is why I love anMoney, it handles different currencies superbly.

[Ignacio Perez]

it doesn't allow to budget different amounts per period either. looks like you only can budget the same fixed amount every month

[phogi ace]

Does anyone have a workflow for importing from anMoney into Bluecoins? In short, how did you import? The more detail, the better. What should one watch out for?

What tweaks did you have to do to the csv export from anMoney?

I only have single currency, but do have split transactions and of course transfers between accounts.

[MARK L]

I've done it using a straightforward .csv file exported from ANM. It didn't handle categories/subcategories very well, but I didn't follow the spreadsheet format recommended by Bluecoins, as below

https://www.bluecoinsapp.com/import-guide/

I was going to give this a trial, and as the first attempt gave good results, using the formatting above should be 100% successful,as the only thing that didn't import in well was the sub/categories. I used MS Office to manipulate the .CSV file, which only takes a few minutes to reassign/delete the columns and put them in the correct order before importing into Bluecoins.

[MARK L]

Splits will not import well, BTW

[Andrew Vevers]

And this is the single biggest reason why I've not already shifted to BC. My AM file is full of splits. I'm sure there will be a way to manipulate the CSV but I suspect it will take some time!

[MARK L]

I think splits will have to be manipulated manually in BC after importing.
However, the developers are extremely helpful, and may provide you with a solution at the import stage.

[Andrew Vevers]

Good to know. Thanks Mark.

[phogi ace]

Thanks. I just realized that anMoney exports splits as individual transactions when you select the split option. I think this is acceptable for old transactions.

[phogi ace]

It doesn't look like Bluecoins allows for multiple books like anMoney.