JoeBut you are not working for Federal Inland Revenue Service, how would you know more than the Executive Chairman of Federal Inland Revenue Service?Wakil Lawal-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian tax roll hits 13 million as 3 million new taxpayers enrol in 6 months
There is nothing called 'National tax register'.
Individuals ( except those in FCT) pay their taxes in the state where they reside.
Companies pay their taxes to Fed Inland Revenue Service.
The Feds don't keep a 'register' for individual tax payers. We don't run the US system
Joe
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JoeThe States' data on individual tax payers is accessible to Federal Inland Revenue and it takes no special skills for the FIRS to extrapolate the tax trends in the states to project Nigerian tax roll. I am in the United States and at least I make minimum wage, it is mandatory that I file income tax for my tax refund or payment. Unlike Nigeria where an Accountant has audacity to report losses and still beats his chest as the most valuable citizen.
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2). In Nigeria, it is true that you pay PIT only to the state government in which you reside (unless you are resident in the FCT or are a member of the Armed Forces), but within the past few years, every tax payer in Nigeria is required to have a Tax Identification Number (TIN) issued by the FIRS,
The fact of the matter is that too many elites like yourself in Nigeria find ways wittingly and unwittingly to promote indiscipline in our country by encouraging the creation and/or leaving in place too many legacy loopholes through which crooks can jump. Then when some attempts to close the loopholes are created, you cry Blue Murder under the banner of tyranny, when in fact the Developed World is the most regulated when it comes to financial and security issues
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2). In Nigeria, it is true that you pay PIT only to the state government in which you reside (unless you are resident in the FCT or are a member of the Armed Forces), but within the past few years, every tax payer in Nigeria is required to have a Tax Identification Number (TIN) issued by the FIRS,Prof Aluko,I was minded to ignore Wakil and move on because he had no idea on the subject matter and I have better things to do with my time.Since you seem to have a better idea of the workings of tax administration in Nigeria and had until recently being a salary earner in Nigeria, could you educate us on the process by which you got your TIN issued by FIRS?2. And educate us on the process by which FIRS 'regulates/ monitors' the PAYE tax table?You wrote:The fact of the matter is that too many elites like yourself in Nigeria find ways wittingly and unwittingly to promote indiscipline in our country by encouraging the creation and/or leaving in place too many legacy loopholes through which crooks can jump. Then when some attempts to close the loopholes are created, you cry Blue Murder under the banner of tyranny, when in fact the Developed World is the most regulated when it comes to financial and security issuesI am not sure where / how my discussion with Wakil veered into the excerpt above but we forumites are used to you by now. Your contributions here address not only the subject matter under discuss but serve as a tangent for you to speak to an unrelated audience on a 'remember me basis'. I have stopped falling into that trap of joining you to deviate from topics under discussion.Joe
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Joe Attueyi:
I know that you are getting out of this discussion - so I may not get a response from you, but you got your facts and question wrong on at least two counts:
(1). In the US, it is NOT only the Federal Government (Feds) through its IRS that collects personal income tax (PIT), but the state AND local governments in which the payee resides. That payment is tracked by name, residential AND social security number, the last issued ONLY by the Federal Government to every citizen either at birth or upon being granted legal residency or citizenship.
(2). In Nigeria, it is true that you pay PIT only to the state government in which you reside (unless you are resident in the FCT or are a member of the Armed Forces), but within the past few years, every tax payer in Nigeria is required to have a Tax Identification Number (TIN) issued by the FIRS, a very welcome development I daresay. Furthermore, the tax table of the country is also uniform across the country, as approved by the National Assembly, signed into law by the President and REGULATED/MONITORED by the FIRS, which is also an advising agency to the Federal government on tax matters.
So why would you ask what the Nigerian FIRS wishes to do with a national tax database, even if only as a first cut on information on PIT paid across the country state-by-state, and about compliance? Could it not use the information to advise the Federal government on PIT (roll and collection) imbalances? Or even advise states, upon acting as a clearing house for inter-state information? Does the FIRS not have the obligation or responsibility of having for example a database on FEDERAL workers paying PIT to STATES across the country? Can a state worker not become a member of the Armed Forces - or a resident of FCT - tomorrow, and should it not be possible for the FIRS be able to independently verify the tax-paying history of such a citizen? Should it not be seamlessly made possibly to also collect federal PIT from Nigerian citizens in the future - as most countries in the world do?
The fact of the matter is that too many elites like yourself in Nigeria find ways wittingly and unwittingly to promote indiscipline in our country by encouraging the creation and/or leaving in place too many legacy loopholes through which crooks can jump. Then when some attempts to close the loopholes are created, you cry Blue Murder under the banner of tyranny, when in fact the Developed World is the most regulated when it comes to financial and security issues. The TSA in Nigeria is a prime example, where there are many people fighting tooth-and-nail to discredit it and have it abolished.
So be properly guided, Joe Attueyi. I am with Wakil Lawal on this one.
And there you have it.
Bolaji Alukko
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 'Joe Attueyi' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Wakil
> I never understand why Nigerians like to argue over something they have no knowledge of. You neither live in Nigeria nor are you a tax practitioner but you want to debate tax practice?
> Unlike the US where Feds collect tax from individuals, in Nigeria the Fed Inland Revenue Service has nothing to do with personal income tax ( except for folks who reside in FCT).
> What exactly would FIRS be doing with database of individual tax payers?
> Anyway I am out of this discussion. Life is too short for non value adding discussions.
> Joe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On 29 Nov 2016, at 7:39 PM, waki...@aol.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>
>
> Joe
>
> The States' data on individual tax payers is accessible to Federal Inland Revenue and it takes no special skills for the FIRS to extrapolate the tax trends in the states to project Nigerian tax roll. I am in the United States and at least I make minimum wage, it is mandatory that I file income tax for my tax refund or payment. Unlike Nigeria where an Accountant has audacity to report losses and still beats his chest as the most valuable citizen.
>
> Wakil Lawal
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> Wakil
> I am an accountant by training. I should have basic knowledge of Nigeria's tax laws.
> The journalist reporting the chairman of FIRS may not be reporting properly what he ( thought) he heard.
> I thought you are in Nigeria? Do you pay your income tax to FIRS?
> You probably don't even pay tax!
> Joe
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> Sent from my iPhone
> On 29 Nov 2016, at 4:08 PM, waki...@aol.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Joe
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> But you are not working for Federal Inland Revenue Service, how would you know more than the Executive Chairman of Federal Inland Revenue Service?
>
> Wakil Lawal
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> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:36 am
> Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian tax roll hits 13 million as 3 million new taxpayers enrol in 6 months
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>
> There is nothing called 'National tax register'.
> Individuals ( except those in FCT) pay their taxes in the state where they reside.
> Companies pay their taxes to Fed Inland Revenue Service.
> The Feds don't keep a 'register' for individual tax payers. We don't run the US system
> Joe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On 29 Nov 2016, at 15:31, 'kayo ogunbunmi' via OkonkwoNetworks <okonkwonetworks@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Nigerian tax roll hits 13 million as 3 million new taxpayers enrol in 6 months
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> Nigerian tax roll hits 13 million as 3 million new taxpayers enrol in 6 months
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> State tax authorities have added 3, 414, 496 million new taxpayers to the national tax register under six mont...
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On Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 'Joe Attueyi' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@ googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Wakil
> I never understand why Nigerians like to argue over something they have no knowledge of. You neither live in Nigeria nor are you a tax practitioner but you want to debate tax practice?
> Unlike the US where Feds collect tax from individuals, in Nigeria the Fed Inland Revenue Service has nothing to do with personal income tax ( except for folks who reside in FCT).
> What exactly would FIRS be doing with database of individual tax payers?
> Anyway I am out of this discussion. Life is too short for non value adding discussions.
> Joe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On 29 Nov 2016, at 7:39 PM, waki...@aol.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianWorldForum@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> The States' data on individual tax payers is accessible to Federal Inland Revenue and it takes no special skills for the FIRS to extrapolate the tax trends in the states to project Nigerian tax roll. I am in the United States and at least I make minimum wage, it is mandatory that I file income tax for my tax refund or payment. Unlike Nigeria where an Accountant has audacity to report losses and still beats his chest as the most valuable citizen.
>
> Wakil Lawal
>
>
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> Wakil
> I am an accountant by training. I should have basic knowledge of Nigeria's tax laws.
> The journalist reporting the chairman of FIRS may not be reporting properly what he ( thought) he heard.
> I thought you are in Nigeria? Do you pay your income tax to FIRS?
> You probably don't even pay tax!
> Joe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On 29 Nov 2016, at 4:08 PM, waki...@aol.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianWorldForum@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Joe
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> But you are not working for Federal Inland Revenue Service, how would you know more than the Executive Chairman of Federal Inland Revenue Service?
>
> Wakil Lawal
>
>
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> Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2016 10:36 am
> Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian tax roll hits 13 million as 3 million new taxpayers enrol in 6 months
>
>
> There is nothing called 'National tax register'.
> Individuals ( except those in FCT) pay their taxes in the state where they reside.
> Companies pay their taxes to Fed Inland Revenue Service.
> The Feds don't keep a 'register' for individual tax payers. We don't run the US system
> Joe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On 29 Nov 2016, at 15:31, 'kayo ogunbunmi' via OkonkwoNetworks <okonkwonetworks@googlegroups. com> wrote:
>
> Nigerian tax roll hits 13 million as 3 million new taxpayers enrol in 6 months
>
> Nigerian tax roll hits 13 million as 3 million new taxpayers enrol in 6 months
>
> State tax authorities have added 3, 414, 496 million new taxpayers to the national tax register under six mont...
>
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