Re: [TalkNigeria] An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

[Abraham Madu]

History does not record any people conquering the Igbo just as it does not record the Igbo conquering any other ethnic groups. They have lived their lives in peace with all their neighbors from time immemorial and still do even now. But that does not mean that they cannot be provoked to fight. There is an Igbo song that goes like this:

 

Onye akpana agụ aka n’ọdụ

 

Ma Ọ dị ndụ

 

Ma Ọ nwụrụ anwụ ooooooooooooo!

Onye akpana Agụ aka n’ọdụ, HO! HA!

 

Translated it is a warning not to provoke a lion to a fight at all costs. The unsaid implication is that the fight would end badly for the provocateur.

 

 

 

 

Ikwerre people ought to understand that they could be Ikwerre and Igbo at the same time. Just as Imo, Enugu, Anambra, etc., people are both Igbo and Wawa, Ijekebee, etc. people. It need not be mutually exclusive.

 

 

 

 

My two pennies advise.

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Obiajụlụ Adụba

 

Boston, Massachusetts

 

May 7, 2018

On ‎Monday‎, ‎May‎ ‎7‎, ‎2018‎ ‎08‎:‎50‎:‎12‎ ‎AM, Baduba54 badu...@aol.com [TalkNigeria] <TalkN...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

Since the middle of the Nigerian Civil War, some misinformed Ikwerre young people have been trying to convince Nigerians and particularly the Igbo that Ikwerre is not Igbo. So far they this campaign has not won any converts to their cause. Some Ikwerre political leaders have noticed and are straddling the line between Ikwerre is/is not Igbo.

The reason for the failure to win converts is primarily because there is no significant physical, cultural, religious, language or other distinguishing features between an Igbo and an Ikwerre. If Mr. Okala, the journalist/preacher stands beside Mr. Okala, the soccer goal keeper, nobody could tell who Ikwerre is and who Igbo is. On the other hand one could tell who is Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa if three people are standing together.

The reason for pushing the separation of Ikwerre from Igbo is based on short sighted leadership. Ikwerre people reap the benefits of being Igbo without the responsibility such membership demands. When the president counts his appointments he would usually count Mr. Rotimi Amaechi as Igbo. When the Ijaw or Ogoni people name the governors of Rivers State they include Mr. Amaechi and Mr. Wike as Igbo governors. And this is proper because they win their elections with the support of mainland Igbo in Rivers state.

My Ikwerre brethren must understand the risk in the dangerous game being played. The most important group of Nigerians they must convince to accept Ikwerre as an ethnic group distinct from Igbo is the Igbo. They are better off not winning this fight. So should push only so far.

The day they succeed in convincing the Igbo that they are not Igbo, it will open a variety of opportunities most of which will be to the detriment of Ikwerre people.

Ikwerre population in Rivers State is about 1 million. Mainland Igbo living in Rivers State is equal to or more than the total population of Ikwerre. They could form other alliances such as with both Ijaw and Ogoni and other ethnic units not as hostile to mainland Igbo as Ikwerre is trying to become. We know what happens when two married old friends divorce: former friends become current enemies and try to destroy each other. It could happen when Ikwerre divorces Igbo.

The mainland Igbo have the economic resources to take over PH when allied to other PH residents not Ikwerre or could just abandon Ikwerre people to their faith among their usually not friendly neighbors.

History does not record any people conquering the Igbo just as it does not record the Igbo conquering any other ethnic groups. They have lived their lives in peace with all their neighbors from time immemorial and still do even now. But that does not mean that they cannot be provoked to fight. There is an Igbo song that goes like this:

Onye akpana agu aka n’odu

Ma O di ndu

Ma O nwuru anwu

Translated it is a warning not to provoke a lion to a fight at all costs. The unsaid implication is that the fight would end badly for the provocateur.

Ikwerre people ought to understand that they could be Ikwerre and Igbo at the same time. Just as Imo, Enugu, Anambra, etc., people are both Igbo and Wawa, Ijekebee, etc. people. It need not be mutually exclusive.

My two pennies advise.

Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba

Boston, Massachusetts

May 7, 2018

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"The man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Ozodi Osuji,

If you please, tell this audience the Igbo names that I gave to my children. It's not that I would be breaking any law had I chosen to give any of my children an Igbo name. But the simple fact is that none of my children has an Igbo name except in Dr. Osuji's widest imagination. Please mention the Igbo names that I gave to my children. 

I'm waiting,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Monday, 7 May 2018, 20:46:16 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

     Although I had resolved not to enter this infernal debate on whether Ikwerre is Igbo or is not Igbo, I must, however, say that I agree with Ben Aduba’s write up.

     I simply accept that Ikwerre is Igbo and do not listen to Emeka Okala’s efforts to prove to his self that he is not who he is. 

     Mr. Okala reminds me of mixed race people (and I know a lot on that subject since my three children could pass for white) who try to convince themselves that since they contain both white and black that they are not black. The fact is that an iota of African blood in you makes you black in the USA and you would be treated as black; thus, trying to deny your reality is futile.

      Mr. Okala argues that he is not Igbo but some of his Ikwerre folks taught me Igbo. I speak Port Harcourt Igbo taught me by Ikwerre folks at my secondary school, Anglican Grammar School, Gborokiri, Port Harcourt. Those men were the proudest Igbo in the entire world.  My best friends in the USA are Ikwerre and they are always correcting my halty Igbo, teaching me to speak in good Igbo.

      Whatever made Mr. Okala to deny his Igboness is his personal issue. The man claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names.  This is cognitive conflict at work; it is kind of like what W.E.B Dubois called the divided soul of the Negro American, a man who cannot make up his mind as to whether he is African or white hence lives in conflict, is paralyzed and unproductive.

     Mr. Okala, last summer when I was in London I nearly called you to meet up but on second thoughts decided against it. I will be in London during this summer (from now on, I will divide my time, live part of the year in my beloved Albion gland and the other part in my equally beloved Alaska...I usually stay at Kensington, near Holland Park).

    Mr. Okala, maybe we should meet up this summer?

    I have taken note of those Yorubas who encourage Mr. Okala to deny his Igboness; I have accepted that they are bent on dividing Igbos to conquer them. However, in the world of politics they are like children for they are not up to the task of fighting politically savvy Igbos.

 

Ozodiobi Osuji

May 7, 2018

[Joseph Onuorah]

That figures! Now it all makes sense.
Joe.
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On Mon, 5/7/18, Philip Achusim eze...@yahoo.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: [TalkNigeria] An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren
To: "ozodi osuji" <ozodi...@gmail.com>, "Chukwuemeka Okala" <reu...@yahoo.co.uk>
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Date: Monday, May 7, 2018, 9:44 PM


 










Yea. An honest person has nothing to hide. As Igbo as I am,
guess what names my children gave my great grandchildren?
Amir and Amira. Those are not Igbo names but they are Igbo.
I admit this because I am honest. Ok. Rev Okala, what are
your children’s names. Be honest, if you can. If you
can’t, remember who I am. You lie you die. 


And
I amEzeana Igirigi
Achusim Odi-Isaa Nwa Dim Orioha AKA
Onyeukwu Sent from
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Monday, May 7, 2018, 7:52 PM, ozodi osuji
<ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:Although I would rather not get
enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a
picture of you and your family members at Facebook with
their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography.
Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide.
Cheers, ozodiobi
On Mon, May
7, 2018, 2:36 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

"The
man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name
and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr. Ozodiobi
Osuji

Comment:Ozodi Osuji,If you please, tell this

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Ozodi,

Did you read Emeka Obiandu's "The Amaechi / Nwodo Clash"? I doubt it because the piece explains how Igbo names got to Ikwerre land (on humans and on non- humans). As much as Emeka Obiandu's piece is a combination of various convincing information / arguments posted on the forums by Emeka Okala over the years, the fact that the various convincing information / arguments are in a piece, makes Emeka Obiandu's piece a teachable piece. I will be disappointed in you (as an academic) if you read the piece and still claim that Ikwerre is Igbo because Ikweere people bear Igbo names. What of other South-South ethnic nationalities mentioned by Emeka Obiandu that bear Igbo names? Why don't Igbos lay claim to these ethnic nationalities as you people lay claim to Ikwerre? Can it be that it is Igbo's thirst for Port-Hacourt that clouds Igbo's reasoning hence the claim of Ikwerre is Igbo despite obvious evidences to the contrary? Enquiring minds cannot but wonder.

Ayo Ojutalayo

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 3:46 PM, ozodi osuji

<ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

     Although I had resolved not to enter this infernal debate on whether Ikwerre is Igbo or is not Igbo, I must, however, say that I agree with Ben Aduba’s write up.

     I simply accept that Ikwerre is Igbo and do not listen to Emeka Okala’s efforts to prove to his self that he is not who he is. 

     Mr. Okala reminds me of mixed race people (and I know a lot on that subject since my three children could pass for white) who try to convince themselves that since they contain both white and black that they are not black. The fact is that an iota of African blood in you makes you black in the USA and you would be treated as black; thus, trying to deny your reality is futile.

      Mr. Okala argues that he is not Igbo but some of his Ikwerre folks taught me Igbo. I speak Port Harcourt Igbo taught me by Ikwerre folks at my secondary school, Anglican Grammar School, Gborokiri, Port Harcourt. Those men were the proudest Igbo in the entire world.  My best friends in the USA are Ikwerre and they are always correcting my halty Igbo, teaching me to speak in good Igbo.

      Whatever made Mr. Okala to deny his Igboness is his personal issue. The man claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names.  This is cognitive conflict at work; it is kind of like what W.E.B Dubois called the divided soul of the Negro American, a man who cannot make up his mind as to whether he is African or white hence lives in conflict, is paralyzed and unproductive.

     Mr. Okala, last summer when I was in London I nearly called you to meet up but on second thoughts decided against it. I will be in London during this summer (from now on, I will divide my time, live part of the year in my beloved Albion gland and the other part in my equally beloved Alaska...I usually stay at Kensington, near Holland Park).

    Mr. Okala, maybe we should meet up this summer?

    I have taken note of those Yorubas who encourage Mr. Okala to deny his Igboness; I have accepted that they are bent on dividing Igbos to conquer them. However, in the world of politics they are like children for they are not up to the task of fighting politically savvy Igbos.

 

Ozodiobi Osuji

May 7, 2018

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Abraham Madu <abraha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi"   - By Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

As a matter of principle, I strictly keep my lovely family from the inferno of cyber debate. But because I'm dealing with a world of gullible human beings who may swallow your lies hook, line and sinker without verification, I'm, on this one-off occasion, constrained to make an exception to this principle - just to shame the devil.

Ozodi Osuji, God has given me four lovely children and they are in the following order, Niki, Blessing, Grace and Chinumezi.

Please tell me which one of the above is Igbo? Absolutely none! So, why do you lie? Lord have mercy!

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 01:53:11 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 2:36 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Bantu Nebu,

What you are saying is that Emeka, the Ikwerre man, has an Igbo child called Chinumezi, is that so? Just as Nnamdi Azikwe had a Yoruba son called Bamidele?

Ayo Ojutalayo

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On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 12:35 AM, Nebukadineze Adiele

<nebuka...@aol.com> wrote:

• ......God has given me four lovely children and they are in the following order, Niki, Blessing, Grace and Chinumezi. Please tell me which one of the above is Igbo? Absolutely none! So, why do you lie? (
  Emeka Reuben Okala).
  
  

The obvious liar here is Emeka Reuben Okala because there is no sane and honest Nigerian on these forums who would not identify Chinumezi as an Igbo name. Your depraved indifference to facts, with respect to your denial of Ikwere's Igboness, is becoming a mental health malady. How you could brazenly assert that that Chinumezi is not an Igbo name shows clearly that your rationality, over this specific matter, is now doubtful. 

My regret is the attitude of most Igbos over this matter. It is shameful that some Igbo's either do not give a damn about this matter or they have stupidly bought into the false narrative -- that we are trying to force some Ikwere into being Igbo. An example of what I am talking about is Ozodinobi Osuji's cowardice in abandoning this subject matter once you called him a liar, even though he was not the liar, you are. 

Osuji was supposed to take you to school, but he bailed out, as if it is none of his business. This attitude was why Igbos were successfully massacred in 1966 by Nigerians. When the killing started in Ibadan, "detribalized" dumb Igbo officers, instead of fighting back, ran away to take care of themselves individually or to invoke their Awusa friends. Had they fought back, the killings would not have been as wide spread as they turned out and Nigerian history would not have followed the trajectory of a civil war. Above all, either Eastern Nigeria or a Republic of Biafra would be standing today. 

If I were Ironsi, there was no way that I was following Danjuma and his fellow murderous thugs out of that building in compliance to their mutiny -- all of us (including Danjuma and his fellow killers) would have perished in that building by my detonating grenades. That would have sent the message to Awusa that Igbo was not going to stand idle and take it. 

Osuji was correct that Chinumezi is an Igbo name but once the lying Okala 'opened eyes' on him, he buckled -- as did Igbo officers in Ibadan on July 29, 1966 -- instead of finishing off Okala. The same shameful behavior goes on everyday here, for these Igbos don't want to be called "Inyanmiri", "Igbo tribalists", etc by dishonest Nigerians who, through Okala's madness, are displaying their tribalism and Igbophobia. 

Tufiakwa!

Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.

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Subject: Re: [TalkNigeria] An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

Chinumezi sounds Igbo to me. Chi in igbo is God, nu is hear, mezi means what is good? I am not an expert on Igbo, but have a hunch that the name means, God please hear what is good for me or God please do what is good for me? I am done with this subject. Good luck. Ozodiobi

[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"Chinumezi sounds Igbo to me. Chi in igbo is God, nu is hear, mezi means what is good? I am not an expert on Igbo, but have a hunch that the name means, God please hear what is good for me or God please do what is good for me?"  -  Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Fa ... fa... fawul!

Fail, Fail, Fail, FAIL!

Ozodi Osuji, Chinumezi is a pure Ikwerre name that has got nothing to do with the interpretation that you hazarded above in Igbo. I can bet that even your faceless, crafty, Liar-brother by the fake name of Nebukadineze Adiele doesn't know the meaning. Why? Because he is neither Ikwerre nor understands the rich Ikwerre Language. It will take him to put a call to his Ikwerre cousins in Nigeria for him to know the meaning of Chinumezi. This is the simple truth.

I wish you well,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"Bantu Nebu,

What you are saying is that Emeka, the Ikwerre man, has an Igbo child called Chinumezi, is that so? Just as Nnamdi Azikwe had a Yoruba son called Bamidele?"  -  Ayo Ojutalayo

Comment:

Point of correction:

My dear friend Ayo,

The name Chinumezi has got NOTHING to do with Igbo. It's purely Ikwerre name. And I can say without fear of contradiction that Nebukadineze Adiele does not know the meaning of Chinumezi. Believe me, no Igbo discussant on these fora knows the meaning. Ozodi Osuji hazarded the meaning in Igbo Language but failed woefully. It WILL take Nebukadineze Adiele to put a call to his Ikwerre cousins in Nigeria for him to know the meaning. Take it or leave it. 

Have a good one brother,

[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"Bantu Nebu,

What you are saying is that Emeka, the Ikwerre man, has an Igbo child called Chinumezi, is that so? Just as Nnamdi Azikwe had a Yoruba son called Bamidele?"  -  Ayo Ojutalayo

Comment:

Point of correction:

My dear friend Ayo,

The name Chinumezi has got NOTHING to do with Igbo. It's purely Ikwerre name. And I can say without fear of contradiction that Nebukadineze Adiele does not know the meaning of Chinumezi. Believe me, no Igbo discussant on these fora knows the meaning. Ozodi Osuji hazarded the meaning in Igbo Language but failed woefully. It WILL take Nebukadineze Adiele to put a call to his Ikwerre cousins in Nigeria for him to know the meaning. Take it or leave it. 

Have a good one brother,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 06:01:05 BST, Ayo Ojutalayo <ayooju...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"Your parents named you Chukwuemeka and baptized you Reuben. So, how did you get to Niki or Blessing or Grace? Are they yet to be baptized? Oyibo brainwashed you to the extent that you don’t have African names for your children except for the youngest that has an African name that is obviously Igbo?"  -  Philip Ezeana Igirig Achusim

Comment:

Imagination, no doubt, is a common denominator with you all - be you Nebukadineze Adiele, Ozodi Osuji, Ben Aduba, Philip Ezeana Igirigi Achusim, Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye, Nwachukwu, Patrick Nwakuba, Colins Ezebuihe, Prison Number, Abraham A. Madu, et al. You imagine something in your mind and stand on the pedestal of that imagination to make your far reaching conclusions without proper investigation. Too Bad!

Who tells you that Reuben is my baptismal name? You just imagined that and brazenly asserted it without investigation.

FYI, the name Reuben belongs to my dad of blessed memory. All of us - his male children use Reuben as our middle names. Sometimes I write my name as Chukwuemeka Reuben-Okala. I'm Emeka, the son of Reuben, the son of Okala, the son of Eluke of Rumuji in Odegnu in Ikwerre ethnic nationality of Nigeria. This is my family tree which no man born of a woman can redefine - no matter how they try.

You also imagine that because your then Catholic denomination ( you now worship USELESS, DIMWIT and POWERLESS dim orioha and odi issa) baptise innocent children, therefore every other Christian denomination baptise children. No, we don't! We of the United Pentecostal Church (UPC) denomination baptise only grown-ups according to Acts 2:38. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."  Because innocent babies cannot repent of sins, therefore they need no baptism until they grow up.

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 06:29:09 BST, Philip Achusim eze...@yahoo.com [NaijaObserver] <NaijaO...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Rev Okala:

You are addressing mostly Africans here. You were being technical here, I suppose. I hope it is like me saying that my children are named Christopher or Ruth? He is really Christopher Ibe Achusim and she is Ruth Chinyere Achusim. You just opened another can of worms. 

Your parents named you Chukwuemeka and baptized you Reuben. So, how did you get to Niki or Blessing or Grace? Are they yet to be baptized? Oyibo brainwashed you to the extent that you don’t have African names for your children except for the youngest that has an African name that is obviously Igbo? 

Chei. My children’s mothers are Americans. But everyone of the children has an African name. (I did not say wives because I am not Ayo) Who among those on the forums does not have an African name for their children? None. They are proud of their African heritage. Look. Some Yoruba don’t even give Oyibo names to their children. Every name is Yoruba. If I was not baptized, I would not have been named Philip. I am yet to find out what Philip means. Oyibo does not even know. Because they have Philip, Phillip and Phillips. Tall, taller and tallest? I don’t know. 

Emeka nwa Okala. If your kids don’t have African names, get them African names. The names don’t have to be Igbo. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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On Monday, May 7, 2018, 9:57 PM, Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi"   - By Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

As a matter of principle, I strictly keep my lovely family from the inferno of cyber debate. But because I'm dealing with a world of gullible human beings who may swallow your lies hook, line and sinker without verification, I'm, on this one-off occasion, constrained to make an exception to this principle - just to shame the devil.

Ozodi Osuji, God has given me four lovely children and they are in the following order, Niki, Blessing, Grace and Chinumezi.

Please tell me which one of the above is Igbo? Absolutely none! So, why do you lie? Lord have mercy!

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 01:53:11 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 2:36 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"The man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Ozodi Osuji,

If you please, tell this audience the Igbo names that I gave to my children. It's not that I would be breaking any law had I chosen to give any of my children an Igbo name. But the simple fact is that none of my children has an Igbo name except in Dr. Osuji's widest imagination. Please mention the Igbo names that I gave to my children. 

I'm waiting,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed.. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"...Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary."  -  Nebukadineze Adiele

Comment:

"My dear friend Ayo,

The name Chinumezi has got NOTHING to do with Igbo. It's purely Ikwerre name. And I can say without fear of contradiction that Nebukadineze Adiele does not know the meaning of Chinumezi. Believe me, no Igbo discussant on these fora knows the meaning. Ozodi Osuji hazarded the meaning in Igbo Language but failed woefully. It WILL take Nebukadineze Adiele to put a call to his Ikwerre cousins in Nigeria for him to know the meaning. Take it or leave it."  -  By Emeka Reuben Okala

And there you have it! (Apologies Prof. Bolaji Aluko).

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 06:40:14 BST, 'Nebukadineze Adiele' via Corporate Nigeria <corporat...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Polygamist Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary. I don't care what Okala calls himself, I know that Ikwere is Igbo and that he married an Igbo woman from Ogba, Rivers state. Whenever Okala's delusions of grandeur wears off, he will be ashamed for having made himself a jack ass through his years of lying over this matter.  

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

My dear Emeka,

Thank you very much. Even though it has been established that bearing Igbo name or Yoruba name does not make one Igbo or Yoruba (Zik's son, Bamidele, for example), I now know that Chinumezi is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning.

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Bantu Nebu,

The Nebu that we know on these forums would have given the meaning with as much pumposity as he could muster if Chinumezi were an Igbo name. Once again, Emeka Okala has made a mess of you and your ilk. We will not allow you to Igbonize Chinumezi the way Igbo Pastors and teachers used to Igbonize Ikwerre names in the days gone by, when Igbo colonised minority ethnic nationalities in the then Eastern Nigeria.

Ayo Ojutalayo

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On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:06 AM, Nebukadineze Adiele

<nebuka...@aol.com> wrote:

Hehehehehe, sometimes you make people laugh, and the source of the laughter is the possibility that you genuinely believe the things you say on this specific matter. If I state the meaning of Chinumezi, you would claim that I called my cousins and they fed me the answer. I am not going to give you the pleasure of making that accusation, so I leave you with believing whatever your heart desires. One thing is certain: Chinumezi is an Igbo name and I know what it means -- as do most Igbos, once translated into central Igbo

Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.

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Subject: Re: [TalkNigeria] An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Nebu and Emeka:

I am sometimes quite bewlidered by your arguments.

Nebu - could you PLEASE put a call to your Ikwerre cousins to see whether there is ANOTHER meaning to Chinumezi besides the Igbo interpretation that you might give it?

Emeka - do you UNDERSTAND Igbo sufficiently to deconstruct Ikwerre words in a manner that MIGHT make them sound Igbo to an Igbo person?

I have this feeling that you are both right and both wrong in many respects.   I know enough of French (which I studied in secondary school for five years and got an A3) and English (A1) that if a Frenchman does not know the English language and an Englishman does not know the French language, each may think that they are speaking entirely different languages, when in fact they are related.  And words like "poisson" (in French), meaning "bird" and poison in English would mean entirely different things.  They are called "false cognates', and I suspect that there are many of those in Ikwerre and Igbo.

QUOTE

https://www.thoughtco.com/faux-amis-a-1371225

This alphabetical list (newest additions) includes hundreds of French-English false cognates, with explanations of what each word means and how it can be correctlytranslated into the other language. To avoid confusion due to the fact that some of the words are identical in the two languages, the French word is followed by (F) and the English word is followed by (E).

....

Abus (F) vs Abuse (E)

     Abus (F) can mean abuse, excess, or injustice.

     Abuse (E) = abus, while verbal abuse is des injures or insultes.

.....

Attendre (F) vs Attend (E)

     Attendre (F) à means to wait for: Nous avons attendu pendant deux heures - We waited for two hours.
     Attend (E) is translated by assister (see above): I attended the conference - J'ai assisté à la conférence.

.....

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And there you have it.  There seem to be a lot of false and semi-false cognates between the Ikwerre and Igbo languages.  That may be where some problem lies.

Bolaji Aluko

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Nebukadineze Adiele <nebuka...@aol.com> wrote:

Hehehehehe, sometimes you make people laugh, and the source of the laughter is the possibility that you genuinely believe the things you say on this specific matter. If I state the meaning of Chinumezi, you would claim that I called my cousins and they fed me the answer. I am not going to give you the pleasure of making that accusation, so I leave you with believing whatever your heart desires. One thing is certain: Chinumezi is an Igbo name and I know what it means -- as do most Igbos, once translated into central Igbo

Nebukadineze Adiele
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Subject: Re: [TalkNigeria] An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ayo:

This Chinuemezi matter is like an Englishman telling a Frechman that "Francois" sounds English to him, because the English call people "Francis"  when in fact both have Latin roots

Haba!

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What does Francis mean?

Francis

image: http://cdn.thinkbabynames.com/img/play.png

 ▼ as a boys' name is pronounced FRAN-sis. It is of Latin origin, and the meaning of Francis is "frenchman". English form of Italian Francesco (Late Latin Franciscus; see Frank). France was originally the kingdom of the Franks. Saint Francis of Assisi (12th century) is remembered as the gentle giant who delighted in God's works as revealed by nature. He was originally named Giovanni, the Italian form of John, but got the nickname Francis because his father had taught him French as a boy. Frances is the feminine form. Musician Francis Sinatra, also known as Frank; philosopher Sir Francis Bacon; composer Franz Josef Haydn; King Francois I of France; playwright Ferenc Molnar; French president Francois Mitterrand; film director Francis Ford Coppola; "Star Spangled Banner" author Francis Scott Key; football players Fran Tarkenton, Franco Harris.

Variations

VARIANTS Chico, Curro, Ferenc, Feri, Ffransis, Fran, Francisque, Franco▲, Francesco, Franche, Franchesco, Franchesko, Franchot, Francisco, Franciscus, Franciskus, Franciszek, Franco▲, Francois, Franio, Frank▼, Frankie▼, Franko, Frann, Frannie, Frans, Fransisco, Frants, Frantz, Franz, Franzel, Franzen, Franzi, Franzin, Frasco, Frascuelo, Frasquito, Paco, Pacorro, Panchito, Pancho, Paquito, Proinsias

RELATIONS VIA FERENC, FRANCO, FRANK Franc, Franck, Francke, Franky

FEMININE FORMS Frances, Jancis

Read more at http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Francis#WtVkeiJLgo6oOBue.99

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[Abraham Madu]

I now know that Chinumezi/Chiumezie /Chiumezuoke/Chiumezuo is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning.

 

"...Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi/Chiumezie/Chiumezuo/ Chiumezuo. is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary."  -  Nebukadineze Adiele

 

 

Ayo Ojutalayo

Chinụalụmụọgụ Achebe.

Chimezie.

Chinasa.

Chinasaokwu.

Umezue.

Umezuoke.

“Chiumezie.”

Chi-umezuoke.

Umehie!

Here is Igbo alphabets: a b gb d e f g gh h I ị j k l m n ṅ o ọ p kp r s sh t u ụ v w y z ch gw kw nw ny.

Can Rev. Chukwuemeka Reuben Ọkala publish Ikwerre alphabets here too?

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Ya gazie.

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[Abraham Madu]

I now know that Chinumezi/Chiumezie /Chiumezuoke/Chiumezuo is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning.

 

"...Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi/Chiumezie/Chiumezuo/ Chiumezuo. is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary."  -  Nebukadineze Adiele

 

 

Ayo Ojutalayo

Chinụalụmụọgụ Achebe.

Chimezie.

Chinasa.

Chinasaokwu.

Umezue.

Umezuoke.

“Chiumezie.”

Chi-umezuoke.

Umehie!

Here is Igbo alphabets: a b gb d e f g gh h I ị j k l m n ṅ o ọ p kp r s sh t u ụ v w y z ch gw kw nw ny.

Can Rev. Chukwuemeka Reuben Ọkala publish Ikwerre alphabets here too?

Ya kpọtụba!

Ya gazie.

Ụmụ nne Abrahamụọgụ Aṅụsịobi Madụ.

On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎12‎:‎28‎:‎56‎ ‎AM, Philip Achusim eze...@yahoo.com [IgboEvents] <IgboE...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Rev Okala:

You are addressing mostly Africans here. You were being technical here, I suppose. I hope it is like me saying that my children are named Christopher or Ruth? He is really Christopher Ibe Achusim and she is Ruth Chinyere Achusim. You just opened another can of worms. 

Your parents named you Chukwuemeka and baptized you Reuben. So, how did you get to Niki or Blessing or Grace? Are they yet to be baptized? Oyibo brainwashed you to the extent that you don’t have African names for your children except for the youngest that has an African name that is obviously Igbo? 

Chei. My children’s mothers are Americans. But everyone of the children has an African name. (I did not say wives because I am not Ayo) Who among those on the forums does not have an African name for their children? None. They are proud of their African heritage. Look. Some Yoruba don’t even give Oyibo names to their children. Every name is Yoruba. If I was not baptized, I would not have been named Philip. I am yet to find out what Philip means. Oyibo does not even know. Because they have Philip, Phillip and Phillips. Tall, taller and tallest? I don’t know. 

Emeka nwa Okala. If your kids don’t have African names, get them African names. The names don’t have to be Igbo. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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On Monday, May 7, 2018, 9:57 PM, Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi"   - By Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

As a matter of principle, I strictly keep my lovely family from the inferno of cyber debate. But because I'm dealing with a world of gullible human beings who may swallow your lies hook, line and sinker without verification, I'm, on this one-off occasion, constrained to make an exception to this principle - just to shame the devil.

Ozodi Osuji, God has given me four lovely children and they are in the following order, Niki, Blessing, Grace and Chinumezi.

Please tell me which one of the above is Igbo? Absolutely none! So, why do you lie? Lord have mercy!

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 01:53:11 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 2:36 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"The man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Ozodi Osuji,

If you please, tell this audience the Igbo names that I gave to my children. It's not that I would be breaking any law had I chosen to give any of my children an Igbo name. But the simple fact is that none of my children has an Igbo name except in Dr. Osuji's widest imagination. Please mention the Igbo names that I gave to my children. 

I'm waiting,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed.. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

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[Abraham Madu]

Emeka nwa Okala. If your kids don’t have African names, get them African names. The names don’t have to be Igbo. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎12‎:‎28‎:‎56‎ ‎AM, Philip Achusim eze...@yahoo.com [IgboEvents] <IgboE...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Rev Okala:

You are addressing mostly Africans here. You were being technical here, I suppose. I hope it is like me saying that my children are named Christopher or Ruth? He is really Christopher Ibe Achusim and she is Ruth Chinyere Achusim. You just opened another can of worms. 

Your parents named you Chukwuemeka and baptized you Reuben. So, how did you get to Niki or Blessing or Grace? Are they yet to be baptized? Oyibo brainwashed you to the extent that you don’t have African names for your children except for the youngest that has an African name that is obviously Igbo? 

Chei. My children’s mothers are Americans. But everyone of the children has an African name. (I did not say wives because I am not Ayo) Who among those on the forums does not have an African name for their children? None. They are proud of their African heritage. Look. Some Yoruba don’t even give Oyibo names to their children. Every name is Yoruba. If I was not baptized, I would not have been named Philip. I am yet to find out what Philip means. Oyibo does not even know. Because they have Philip, Phillip and Phillips. Tall, taller and tallest? I don’t know. 

Emeka nwa Okala. If your kids don’t have African names, get them African names. The names don’t have to be Igbo. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Monday, May 7, 2018, 9:57 PM, Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi"   - By Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

As a matter of principle, I strictly keep my lovely family from the inferno of cyber debate. But because I'm dealing with a world of gullible human beings who may swallow your lies hook, line and sinker without verification, I'm, on this one-off occasion, constrained to make an exception to this principle - just to shame the devil.

Ozodi Osuji, God has given me four lovely children and they are in the following order, Niki, Blessing, Grace and Chinumezi.

Please tell me which one of the above is Igbo? Absolutely none! So, why do you lie? Lord have mercy!

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 01:53:11 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 2:36 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"The man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Ozodi Osuji,

If you please, tell this audience the Igbo names that I gave to my children. It's not that I would be breaking any law had I chosen to give any of my children an Igbo name. But the simple fact is that none of my children has an Igbo name except in Dr. Osuji's widest imagination. Please mention the Igbo names that I gave to my children. 

I'm waiting,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Non, Monsieur le General!

Poisson is fish and oiseau is bird in French.

You can take that to the bank.

Au revoir!

Bolaji Aluko

[Abraham Madu]

I now know that Chinumezi/Chiumezie /Chiumezuoke/Chiumezuo is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning.

 

"...Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi/Chiumezie/Chiumezuo/ Chiumezuo. is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary."  -  Nebukadineze Adiele

 

 

Ayo Ojutalayo

Chinụalụmụọgụ Achebe.

Chimezie.

Chinasa.

Chinasaokwu.

Umezue.

Umezuoke.

“Chiumezie.”

Chi-umezuoke.

Umehie!

Here is Igbo alphabets: a b gb d e f g gh h I ị j k l m n ṅ o ọ p kp r s sh t u ụ v w y z ch gw kw nw ny.

Can Rev. Chukwuemeka Reuben Ọkala publish Ikwerre alphabets here too?

Ya kpọtụba!

Ya gazie.

Ụmụ nne Abrahamụọgụ Aṅụsịobi Madụ.

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Okala:

Why did you wait until your last born to give your child an African name? Are you sorry to be an African? I bet your wife prevailed on you to name your last born Chinumezi, an Igbo name. Relax my man.. Igbo haters do have Igbo names. Besides you, a celebrated and certified Igbo hater GEJ goes by Azikiwe. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

Ebele Nkọ?

Ya kpọtụba!

Ya gazie.

Ụmụ nne Abrahamụọgụ Aṅụsịobi Madụ.

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Okala:

Why did you wait until your last born to give your child an African name? Are you sorry to be an African? I bet your wife prevailed on you to name your last born Chinumezi, an Igbo name. Relax my man.. Igbo haters do have Igbo names. Besides you, a celebrated and certified Igbo hater GEJ goes by Azikiwe. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"I have this feeling that you are both right and both wrong in many respects.   I know enough of French (which I studied in secondary school for five years and got an A3) and English (A1) that if a Frenchman does not know the English language and an Englishman does not know the French language, each may think that they are speaking entirely different languages, when in fact they are related.  And words like "poisson" (in French), meaning "bird" and poison in English would mean entirely different things.  They are called "false cognates', and I suspect that there are many of those in Ikwerre and Igbo."  -  Prof. Bolaji Aluko

Comment:

Bolaji,

I can understand your ambivalence. This is because you don't speak the Ikwerre language at all and your knowledge of the Igbo language is at best on the kindergarten level. So, I can excuse you.

You see, Nebukadineze Adiele speaks Igbo as his mother tongue, but knows practically NOTHING of the Ikwerre language. But because he strenuously, albeit in futility, wants to hoodwink his audience into believing in his spurious claim that Ikwerre is a part of the Igbo ethnic nationality, he craftily tries to pretend to understand the Ikwerre language.

As an Ikwerreman, I speak the Ikwerre language as my mother tongue. And because of the influence of the Igbo on the collective life of my people and a good number of the minority areas in the defunct Eastern Nigeria, I speak the Igbo language. 

Against this backdrop, if I speak some words in Ikwerre language, it would sound in the hearing of the Igbo who knows NOTHING about the Ikwerre language what the French word 'poisson' would sound in the hearing of the Englishman that speaks no French and, the wrong interpretation the Frenchman who doesn't speak English language would give the English word 'poison' - which was why Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji failed woefully in his attempt to explain the meaning of the rich Ikwerre name that I gave to my son. The same failure awaits Nebukadineze Adiele, though he is in a vantage position because of his Ikwerre cousins. Given his craftiness, he must have since consulted his Ikwerre cousins by now, but would pretend not to have done so hitherto.

By the way, Chinumezi is the little boy you gave a token of gift in a dollar bill the day you visited my home in London. He is no longer a little boy as he's now a young man pursuing a course of study (Computer Engineering) in the Uni.

Bottom-line: Since I have a command of both languages - Ikwerre and Igbo, it goes without saying that I'm right and Nebukadineze Adiele, who apparently is suffering from acute poverty of knowledge of the Ikwerre language is wrong. And it clearly shows!

And there you have it! (Apologies Bolaji Aluko)

Emeka Reuben Okala

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[Ishola Williams]

Prof,You wrote that "poisson" is "bird".This why I did ask you to check your dictionaries.

No bank will aceppt words.Please sir send me a cheque.

Merci M.le Prof.iw

[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"You know something? Maybe you are not of Ikwerre..."  -  Philip Ezeana Igirigi Achusim

Comment:

Is that what your USELESS and DIMWIT dim orioha and odi-issa that you have sold your God-given life to told you? You are entitled to your opinion. And there's nothing anyone can do about that.

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 13:21:35 BST, Philip Achusim eze...@yahoo.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Okala:

You know something? Maybe you are not of Ikwerre and therefore not Igbo. You do not reason as an Igbo. Before Nebu told you that he knows the meaning of Chinumezi, what makes you think that his Ikwerre cousin had not already told him the meaning? 

Look here. Instead of arguing whether Chinumezi is Igbo or not, why not debate the name Ikwerre? What does Ikwerre mean in Igbo and is there another meaning of Ikwerre in Okala’s Ikwerre. The name Ikwerre is Igbo, just as Osun is Yoruba. If the name Ikwerre is Igbo, don’t people seem stupid to argue that folks who call Ikwerre their heritage homeland are not Igbo. Of course if you migrated to Ikwerre you are not Igbo and you are not from Ikwerre. Igbo migrated to everywhere, including Lagos. That they own Lagos does not make them Yoruba. At Christmas time they troop home to Igboland. Okala with Igbo name came to Ikwerre without a name. Took on all Igbo names and got baptized Reuben. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"Even though it has been established that bearing Igbo name or Yoruba name does not make one Igbo or Yoruba (Zik's son, Bamidele, for example), I now know that Chinumezi is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning."  -  Ayo Ojutalayo

"This Chinu[e]mezi matter is like an Englishman telling a Frechman that "Francois" sounds English to him, because the English call people "Francis"  when in fact both have Latin roots"  -  Prof Bolaji Aluko

 Anu meka,

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Nebu:

Interesting!  For the sentences

) Gwere iwai ka wuya arisi -- Ikwere dialect

Were ego ga zuta uraisi -- Central Igbo

Take this money to purchase some rice -- English

Here are the Yoruba equivalent;;

Gba owo yi, ko lo ra iresi wa

You can see that Ikwerre iwai, Yoruba's owo and Igbo's ego - all meaning money - have a relationship.  In Bini language, igho is money, closest to Igbo.  The sentence sounding of Ikwerre is even closer to Yoruba than to Igbo!

What about your third sentence

iii) Kwo ta lam na zu ukwu erum ala, hashiam mu eji ukwum gama -- Owere dialect

Kama ikwo mu n'azu ka ukwu mu n'eruta n'ala, hapu mu ka m'ji ikwu mu na aga -- Central Igbo

Instead of lifting me on your back with my legs dragging on the ground, let me off, 

Yoruba would say

Kaka ko gbe mi s'ehin ki ese mi ma wo n'ile, kuku ja mi sile

Which has some subtle hint with Igbo.

There may be better Yoruba translations than mine, particularly in different dialects.

My point is that language ALONE  cannot be used to identify or de-identify nationality.   Those people who self identify as Igbo (ie Owere, Orlu, Nkwerre, etc)  and Ikwerre all speak Igboid languages, but if Ikwerre do not self-identify as Igbo, they should not be so villified.

The other day, I gave a whole litany of Igala and Yoruba words and sentences which were virtually identical and outrageously similar.  But no Yoruba would dare say that Igala are Yoruba, or vice versa.

As to Umu or Rumu during my early 70s sojourn in the PH area,. I mentioned that all these discussions have confused me, and I no longer remember.  I don't have the letters of IT appointment, but I intend to ask from one family that I knew there then and was close to what their remembrance was.  The only problem is that I now know that they are from Bayelsa (actually Ogbia heritage, from Oloibiri), when at that time, there was no Bayelsa, and all were from Rivers State.

We shall see.

Bolaji Aluko

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018, Nebukadineze Adiele <nebuka...@aol.com> wrote:

Bolaji,

Let me reiterate that there is no Ikwere word that is not Igbo. The analogy you drew with English and French languages is not relevant whatsoever, what should be relevant is, say, Australian English and American English. Ikwere speaks Igbo with a dialect that might be problematic, but not totally unintelligible, to other Igbos -- the same thing applies to Nsuka Igbo speakers, Ika Igbo speakers, Abiriba Igbo speakers, Onicha (Onitsha) Igbo speakers, etc. Proximity minimizes the difficult with understanding these different dialects among Igbos. For example, an Owere person would understand Ikwere speaker easier than would, say, an Nnewi person. Conversely, an Nnewi speaker would understand an Ika Igbo speaker easier than would an Owere person. 

I will not address the Chinumezi meaning because Okala has injected his silly way of deflection by prejudicing, even you, that I need my Ikwere cousins' interpretation for an Igbo name. What I will do, instead, is to make one or two Ikwere sentences and write their equivalences in Central Igbo. I will also make one Owere sentence and its Central Igbo equivalent.

(i) Gwere iwai ka wuya arisi -- Ikwere dialect

Were ego ga zuta uraisi -- Central Igbo

Take this money to purchase some rice -- English

(ii) Dikne be kpu n'onu, nwernu nhne o me -- Ikwere dialect.

Dike akpu n'onu nwere ihe oma ona eme -- Central Igbo

A warrior/powerful person often hailed by words of mouth must be doing something positive.

(iii) Kwo ta lam na zu ukwu erum ala, hashiam mu eji ukwum gama -- Owere dialect

Kama ikwo mu n'azu ka ukwu mu n'eruta n'ala, hapu mu ka m'ji ikwu mu na aga -- Central Igbo

Instead of lifting me on your back with my legs dragging on the ground, let me off, so that I walk on my feet -- English.

From the above, you can see the role dialects play in Igbo language. An Nsuka person would definitely not understand the Owere dialect in the above sentence on the first instance. Would it be appropriate for Owere people to assert that Owere is a distinct ethnic nationality from Igbo on account of the above? Why is it appropriate for an Ikwere to claim a distinct ethnic nationality from Igbo based on the same factor? You have to bear in mind that no such similarity exists between Igbo language and any of the languages of others in that neighborhood. In other words, while one might occasionally find Igbo words in Ogoni or in Ijo sentences, there is absolutely no Ikwere sentence that is not made of Igbo words; there is no Ikwere cultural practice that is not of Igbo's too. 

Bolaji, with all due respect, we are not going to allow this conversation to be simplified to this degree -- of Okala uttering an Igbo word and claiming it as Ikwere word, and then we are made to defend it or cite its Igbo equivalent, else Ikwere is not Igbo. Equally, it is intellectually unacceptable to apply the differences or similarities between English and French languages to this topic -- it is not relevant. 

By the way, Okala posed a question to you the other day that I was looking forward to your answering. He asked if you saw Umumasi, Umuokoro, Umuigbo or their current Rumu incarnates of today when you were in Port Harcourt in the early 1970s. I was so delighted in expecting your answer because Okala just impeached his position with those questions if you answered truthfully. Until the early 1980s, those towns went by their Umu-XYZ names, but Okala actually does not know that even as of today. A few years ago, I sent a link of Art works documented of his hometown by G. J. Jones in the 1940s through the 1960s. The name of his hometown was written as Umuji in Ikwere, Igbo land of Southeastern Nigeria. Okala kept silent in shock after viewing the works. I repeatedly asked him to deny that was his hometown but he ignored me instead of admitting the truth. Unfortunately, that web site has been pulled down (possibly by Ikwere-is-not-Igbo creeps); I regret not having photographed or cloned it, but here is the link that no longer functions http://mccoy.lib.siu.edu/jmccall/jones/ikwerri.html

Meka o!

Nebukadineze Adiele
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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"Most Nigerians that I know usually give their children a first name and a middle name. Usually one of the names would be a Nigerian name. If we have the other names of Mr. Okala's children we could solve this riddle. I do not subscribe to the notion that Mr. Okala waited till his last born before realizing that he is a Nigerian and that somehow his identity should be reflected in the names of his beloved kids."  -  Dr. Ben Aduba

Comment:

Dr. Aduba, 

Let's start with you. Display the two names of all of your children first and I will do the same for my children immediately.

Meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

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On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 14:48:31 BST, 'Baduba54' via Corporate Nigeria <corporat...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Most Nigerians that I know usually give their children a first name and a middle name. Usually one of the names would be a Nigerian name. If we have the other names of Mr. Okala's children we could solve this riddle. I do not subscribe to the notion that Mr. Okala waited till his last born before realizing that he is a Nigerian and that somehow his identity should be reflected in the names of his beloved kids.

Aduba

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Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 9:16 am
Subject: Re: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

"Even though it has been established that bearing Igbo name or Yoruba name does not make one Igbo or Yoruba (Zik's son, Bamidele, for example), I now know that Chinumezi is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning."  -  Ayo Ojutalayo

"This Chinu[e]mezi matter is like an Englishman telling a Frechman that "Francois" sounds English to him, because the English call people "Francis"  when in fact both have Latin roots"  -  Prof Bolaji Aluko

 Anu meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 06:40:14 BST, 'Nebukadineze Adiele' via Corporate Nigeria <corporate-nigeria@ googlegroups.com> wrote:

Polygamist Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary. I don't care what Okala calls himself, I know that Ikwere is Igbo and that he married an Igbo woman from Ogba, Rivers state. Whenever Okala's delusions of grandeur wears off, he will be ashamed for having made himself a jack ass through his years of lying over this matter.  

Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.

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Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 1:01 am
Subject: Re: [TalkNigeria] An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

Bantu Nebu,

What you are saying is that Emeka, the Ikwerre man, has an Igbo child called Chinumezi, is that so? Just as Nnamdi Azikwe had a Yoruba son called Bamidele?

Ayo Ojutalayo

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

1. Niki Chinulekwna

2. Blessing Eknunwemgbe

3. Grace Chinyere (Igbo name given to her by my wife - her mum)

4. Chnumezi Nikolaos

Meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 15:21:06 BST, Baduba54 badu...@aol.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

1. Richard Chukwudi
   
2. Onyeka Elizabeth
3. Uzoamaka Nwanneka
4. Chioma, Nneka
5. Obiajulu Amalachukwu

Aduba

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 10:05 am
Subject: Re: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

"Most Nigerians that I know usually give their children a first name and a middle name. Usually one of the names would be a Nigerian name. If we have the other names of Mr. Okala's children we could solve this riddle. I do not subscribe to the notion that Mr. Okala waited till his last born before realizing that he is a Nigerian and that somehow his identity should be reflected in the names of his beloved kids."  -  Dr. Ben Aduba

Comment:

Dr. Aduba, 

Let's start with you. Display the two names of all of your children first and I will do the same for my children immediately.

Meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 14:48:31 BST, 'Baduba54' via Corporate Nigeria <corporate-nig...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Most Nigerians that I know usually give their children a first name and a middle name. Usually one of the names would be a Nigerian name. If we have the other names of Mr. Okala's children we could solve this riddle.. I do not subscribe to the notion that Mr. Okala waited till his last born before realizing that he is a Nigerian and that somehow his identity should be reflected in the names of his beloved kids.

Aduba

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Subject: Re: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

"Even though it has been established that bearing Igbo name or Yoruba name does not make one Igbo or Yoruba (Zik's son, Bamidele, for example), I now know that Chinumezi is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning."  -  Ayo Ojutalayo

"This Chinu[e]mezi matter is like an Englishman telling a Frechman that "Francois" sounds English to him, because the English call people "Francis"  when in fact both have Latin roots"  -  Prof Bolaji Aluko

 Anu meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 10:34:35 BST, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ayo:

This Chinuemezi matter is like an Englishman telling a Frechman that "Francois" sounds English to him, because the English call people "Francis"  when in fact both have Latin roots

Haba!

QUOTE

What does Francis mean?

Francis

image: http://cdn.thinkbabynames.com/img/play.png

 ▼ as a boys' name is pronounced FRAN-sis. It is of Latin origin, and the meaning of Francis is "frenchman". English form of Italian Francesco (Late Latin Franciscus; see Frank).. France was originally the kingdom of the Franks. Saint Francis of Assisi (12th century) is remembered as the gentle giant who delighted in God's works as revealed by nature. He was originally named Giovanni, the Italian form of John, but got the nickname Francis because his father had taught him French as a boy. Frances is the feminine form. Musician Francis Sinatra, also known as Frank; philosopher Sir Francis Bacon; composer Franz Josef Haydn; King Francois I of France; playwright Ferenc Molnar; French president Francois Mitterrand; film director Francis Ford Coppola; "Star Spangled Banner" author Francis Scott Key; football players Fran Tarkenton, Franco Harris.

Variations

VARIANTS Chico, Curro, Ferenc, Feri, Ffransis, Fran, Francisque, Franco▲, Francesco, Franche, Franchesco, Franchesko, Franchot, Francisco, Franciscus, Franciskus, Franciszek, Franco▲, Francois, Franio, Frank▼, Frankie▼, Franko, Frann, Frannie, Frans, Fransisco, Frants, Frantz, Franz, Franzel, Franzen, Franzi, Franzin, Frasco, Frascuelo, Frasquito, Paco, Pacorro, Panchito, Pancho, Paquito, Proinsias

RELATIONS VIA FERENC, FRANCO, FRANK Franc, Franck, Francke, Franky

FEMININE FORMS Frances, Jancis

Read more at http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Francis#WtVkeiJLgo6oOBue.99

UNQUOTE

Bolaji Aluko

Shaking his head

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Ayo Ojutalayo <ayooju...@yahoo.com> wrote:

My dear Emeka,

Thank you very much. Even though it has been established that bearing Igbo name or Yoruba name does not make one Igbo or Yoruba (Zik's son, Bamidele, for example), I now know that Chinumezi is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning.

Ayo Ojutalayo

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 2:25 AM, 'Chukwuemeka Okala' via AfricanWorldForum

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"...Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary."  -  Nebukadineze Adiele

Comment:

"My dear friend Ayo,

The name Chinumezi has got NOTHING to do with Igbo. It's purely Ikwerre name. And I can say without fear of contradiction that Nebukadineze Adiele does not know the meaning of Chinumezi. Believe me, no Igbo discussant on these fora knows the meaning. Ozodi Osuji hazarded the meaning in Igbo Language but failed woefully. It WILL take Nebukadineze Adiele to put a call to his Ikwerre cousins in Nigeria for him to know the meaning. Take it or leave it."  -  By Emeka Reuben Okala

And there you have it! (Apologies Prof. Bolaji Aluko).

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed.. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

Polygamist Ayo,

"The man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr.. Ozodiobi Osuji

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

Dr. Ben Aduba,

There is no sane human being that does not imagine. Every human being imagines. And that's fine. The problem with you guys is that you treat your fellow human being based absolutely on the figment of your imagination of him/her as opposed to what they are really made of. You imagine that he is XYZ and without any scintilla of verification, you assert publicly that he is XYZ, even when the person has got no closest of the attribute/s  that you've mischievously and wrongly assigned to him/her. This is what I mean. Catch my point?

Meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 15:50:10 BST, 'Baduba54' via ZikProject <zikpr...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Mr. Okala'

You wrote

Imagination, no doubt, is a common denominator with you all - be you...

At lease with Ben Aduba, you are right. A person who is without imagination is likely to be lost. I imagine a lot of things and because I could visualize them I sometime realize them. Of course I have had to pay some expensive costs for poor imaginations.

Aduba 

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

Ozodiobi Osuji,

I called you a liar when you brazenly stated on these platforms that the names of my children as you saw them on Facebook are Igbo names. That was a FAT lie. Even after debunking your spurious claim, you still insist barefacedly on your lie. What do you call that?

You have on several occasions requested for my friendship on Facebook and on all of the occasions I turned you down. I will do the same if you turn the hands of the clock. 

Why did I refuse you?

The reason is simple! You don't no boundaries. Facebook is a different platform altogether. My Facebook audience are totally at variance with my e-group audiences. I use Facebook for a different purpose. My Facebook friends are across the globe. They are not mainly Nigerians. And I can see your desire to carry the Ikwerre/Igbo war to Facebook and ruin the main purpose of my mission there - which was why I blocked you.

I did the same to Zubie Ekwueme who infiltrated my Facebook wall mainly to post obscene and other nasty images - an eyesore to my good friends across the globe who visit my wall. I blocked him totally.

Because you've talked of meeting me at my church - preferably during our mid-week Bible Study, I will wait for you. And will welcome you warmly at the Church, anytime any day.

Yes, we speak in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. We will pray for you and you might receive it. Who knows?

For now let me call it a response.

Meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 16:16:03 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Emeka: I had asked you if we could meet up this summer. You did not respond to me and instead went on to tell me how I am imagining things, telling lies, when I said that I had seen a picture of you and your family members at Facebook celebrating something and thought that some of the names of your children are Igbo. You denied that fact despite its evident truth. Notwithstanding, I still plan to drop by your United Pentecostal Church service in July. One of my friends is a minister of UPC and once invited me to his church service; I went and I was surprised by folks speaking in tongues when the say that the Holy Spirit has taken hold of their minds. I want to see how you folks in the UK do it, speak in tongues. My Christian denomination is Anglican (Episcopal, as we call it in the USA). Is the below address still correct? I will likely attend the Wednesday evening meeting (which I am guessing is bible study?).  My phone number is (907) 310-8176. You can also reach me at Facebook’s Messenger and WhatsApp. Cheers, Ozodiobi Osuji

 

East London Fellowship

Pastor	Rev Emeka Okala
Times	Wednesday 7:30pm - 9:00pm Sunday 1.00pm - 4.30pm
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On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 6:50 AM, Baduba54 <badu...@aol.com> wrote:

Mr. Okala'

You wrote

Imagination, no doubt, is a common denominator with you all - be you...

At lease with Ben Aduba, you are right. A person who is without imagination is likely to be lost. I imagine a lot of things and because I could visualize them I sometime realize them. Of course I have had to pay some expensive costs for poor imaginations.

Aduba 

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

My People:

Not a single one of my five children has a single non-Yoruba name.   For example, my first son is

    Oluwaseye Bamidele Ajibola

Aduba, I notice that after your second child, you got more Igbo? Was that after the British assisted Nigeria in defeating Biafra?  You did not mind their 400 years of enslavement of Africa?

Just asking....

Bolaji Aluko

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"I just visited Facebook; it says that you requested my friendship and that I accepted it  in July of last year. I am the one who accepted your request."  -  Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Ozodi,

No, it's the other way round. And you know it. And I've given you my reason for refusing your requests.

Meka,

 

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 17:29:42 BST, Ozodi Osuji ozodi...@yahoo.ca [NigerianID] <NigerianI...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Emeka:

Do not play games with a person who is computer savvy. I just visited Facebook; it says that you requested my friendship and that I accepted it  in July of last year. I am the one who accepted your request. It would not have entered my mind to seek friendship with you (what would I do with it given your fundamentalist Christian orientation). A while ago, I tried to block and unfriend you and hope it takes. Apparently, you are like many Nigerian pastors, given to lying. I do not hobnob with liars. Good bye, Ozodiobi

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 8:13 AM, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Emeka:

I do not request any ones friendship at Facebook. I have the maximum 5000 folks that Facebook allows, all requested my friendship.. As we speak, I have hundreds of persons requesting friendship with me, waiting for me to confirm their requests. I did not request your friendship. I must have accepted your friendship request since I see your posts at Facebook. If you did not request it and I confirmed it please unfriend me; in fact, I will unfriend you so right away. I am now convinced that something is the matter with you. You are a liar and project your lying tendencies to folks. I did not call you a liar, you called me a liar yet the four names you provided are Igbo names (in my view, anyway). I am done with you, for I do not deal with self negating folks. Good luck.  Ozodiobi

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Ozodiobi Osuji,

I called you a liar when you brazenly stated on these platforms that the names of my children as you saw them on Facebook are Igbo names. That was a FAT lie. Even after debunking your spurious claim, you still insist barefacedly on your lie. What do you call that?

You have on several occasions requested for my friendship on Facebook and on all of the occasions I turned you down. I will do the same if you turn the hands of the clock. 

Why did I refuse you?

The reason is simple! You don't no boundaries. Facebook is a different platform altogether. My Facebook audience are totally at variance with my e-group audiences. I use Facebook for a different purpose. My Facebook friends are across the globe. They are not mainly Nigerians.. And I can see your desire to carry the Ikwerre/Igbo war to Facebook and ruin the main purpose of my mission there - which was why I blocked you.

I did the same to Zubie Ekwueme who infiltrated my Facebook wall mainly to post obscene and other nasty images - an eyesore to my good friends across the globe who visit my wall. I blocked him totally.

Because you've talked of meeting me at my church - preferably during our mid-week Bible Study, I will wait for you. And will welcome you warmly at the Church, anytime any day.

Yes, we speak in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. We will pray for you and you might receive it. Who knows?

For now let me call it a response.

Meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 16:16:03 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Emeka: I had asked you if we could meet up this summer. You did not respond to me and instead went on to tell me how I am imagining things, telling lies, when I said that I had seen a picture of you and your family members at Facebook celebrating something and thought that some of the names of your children are Igbo. You denied that fact despite its evident truth. Notwithstanding, I still plan to drop by your United Pentecostal Church service in July. One of my friends is a minister of UPC and once invited me to his church service; I went and I was surprised by folks speaking in tongues when the say that the Holy Spirit has taken hold of their minds. I want to see how you folks in the UK do it, speak in tongues. My Christian denomination is Anglican (Episcopal, as we call it in the USA). Is the below address still correct? I will likely attend the Wednesday evening meeting (which I am guessing is bible study?).  My phone number is (907) 310-8176. You can also reach me at Facebook’s Messenger and WhatsApp. Cheers, Ozodiobi Osuji

 

East London Fellowship

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Times	Wednesday 7:30pm - 9:00pm Sunday 1.00pm - 4.30pm
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On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 6:50 AM, Baduba54 <badu...@aol.com> wrote:

Mr. Okala'

You wrote

Imagination, no doubt, is a common denominator with you all - be you...

At lease with Ben Aduba, you are right. A person who is without imagination is likely to be lost. I imagine a lot of things and because I could visualize them I sometime realize them. Of course I have had to pay some expensive costs for poor imaginations.

Aduba 

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"Your parents named you Chukwuemeka and baptized you Reuben. So, how did you get to Niki or Blessing or Grace? Are they yet to be baptized? Oyibo brainwashed you to the extent that you don’t have African names for your children except for the youngest that has an African name that is obviously Igbo?"  -  Philip Ezeana Igirig Achusim

Comment:

Imagination, no doubt, is a common denominator with you all - be you Nebukadineze Adiele, Ozodi Osuji, Ben Aduba, Philip Ezeana Igirigi Achusim, Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye, Nwachukwu, Patrick Nwakuba, Colins Ezebuihe, Prison Number, Abraham A. Madu, et al. You imagine something in your mind and stand on the pedestal of that imagination to make your far reaching conclusions without proper investigation. Too Bad!

Who tells you that Reuben is my baptismal name? You just imagined that and brazenly asserted it without investigation.

FYI, the name Reuben belongs to my dad of blessed memory. All of us - his male children use Reuben as our middle names. Sometimes I write my name as Chukwuemeka Reuben-Okala.. I'm Emeka, the son of Reuben, the son of Okala, the son of Eluke of Rumuji in Odegnu in Ikwerre ethnic nationality of Nigeria. This is my family tree which no man born of a woman can redefine - no matter how they try.

If you please, tell this audience the Igbo names that I gave to my children. It's not that I would be breaking any law had I chosen to give any of my children an Igbo name. But the simple fact is that none of my children has an Igbo name except in Dr. Osuji's widest imagination. Please mention the Igbo names that I gave to my children.. 

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

Thank you Ozodi.

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 18:33:52 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, emeka  this he said she said is going to lead us to anywhere. Let us leave it at that. Cheers ozodiobi

Aduba 

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[ojigwe48]

Each of all Emeka Okala's children names bear an Igbo name. He/they merely modified the names with the insertion of "n" or a strange vowel. Also, note that Igbo ladies named Nkechi go by the nickname: Nki or Niki.

Oke Osisi 

"Common Sense, Uncommon Knowledge"

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Subject: Re: Ben Aduba: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

You can bet he paid real dowry to get near that Igbo darling. When he was courting her, Ikwerre was Igbo. When he paid the hefty dowry Ikwerre was Igbo. As always, he did not show continued gratitude to her as Igbo,  he ought to have remained for ever grateful. How do you think he got that balding forehead? She knocked sense into his head with frying pan regularly. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa 

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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On Tuesday, May 8, 2018, 7:15 PM, 'Nebukadineze Adiele' via Corporate Nigeria <corporat...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Yes o, Mazi Nwachukwu, this is the typical Igbo looking Chukwuemeka Okala and his beautiful Igbo wife, yet the ekwensu resident inside of him, for which he became a born-again-Christian and thinking that the ekwensu would go away, continues to make him reject himself. 

I don't know why some of you are shocked that he did not give his children African names. Chukwuemeka Okala's mind is that of an obedient slave boy who thinks that white people are God's angels sent to come and enlighten African people. Okala once bragged on these forums that his children have never been to Nigeria, in the manner that there is something wrong with going to Nigeria and or inferior in having Nigeria-centric children. I dressed him down and bragged about frequently taking my children to Nigeria, and after some folks joined me in condemning him over his colonial mentality, he tried to spin the matter away from his perfidious utterance without ever admitting his error. 

As if that was not bad enough, he wrote an essay, which he first read to his white women widows-filled church, with chutzpah. In that essay, Chukwuemeka Okala finished off our African ancestors of less than 200 years ago -- I guess that speech fetched him lots of tithes from white folks. I am still chagrined whenever I remember Okala's summation of our ancestors of not too long ago in these harsh and hostile words:

• African ancestors ...... were obviously the early men of history. They were very primitive and undoubtedly backward. They were very close to nature and mingled comfortably or uncomfortably with wild creatures of the bush and dangerous spirits of the world. Their homes were heavily surrounded by the bush. Our ancestors’ homes were mostly made of huts of dried mud and thatch. They used latrines dug in the surrounding bushes as toilets. In some cases where no latrines were dug, our ancestors made use of the plain land in the bush to ease themselves. They did not go to school and knew nothing about formal Western or Eastern education. But they had commonsense. Without being pretentious or derogatory, our ancestors were, objectively speaking, practical bushmen......In a nutshell, our ancestors were synonymous with ignorance. (Emeka Reuben Okala, Ancestral Spirits - the cause of Africa's socio-economic and technological backwardness, Fri Feb 18, 2005, 10:54 AM) 
  

A man who could describe his ancestors in such demeaning words before a white audience is worse than an Uncle Tom. When Okala is not rejecting being Igbo, he is rejecting being Nigerian (through insulating his children from anything Nigerian) and he is rejecting his African ancestry (through belittling his ancestors before a white audience and then to have had the audacity to post such a vileness on the internet). The Nigerian Bantus who egg him on, to rejecting his Igboness, are also egging him on to poo-pooing our collective ancestry. 

Make Okala go siddon, o jare!

Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.

-----Original Message-----
From: africanherald <africa...@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 5:45 pm
Subject: Ben Aduba: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

So, this is Emeka Okala, an Igbo that denies his Igboness.  He may not want Dr. Osuji to visit his church.  He should be afraid of exposure.  Osuji's exposure of him. Including his lies.

Nawaoooh!!!

Nwachukwu

-----Original Message-----
From: ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com>

Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 10:22 am
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Ben Aduba: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

 

Emeka: I had asked you if we could meet up this summer. You did not respond to me and instead went on to tell me how I am imagining things, telling lies, when I said that I had seen a picture of you and your family members at Facebook celebrating something and thought that some of the names of your children are Igbo. You denied that fact despite its evident truth (as shown by the four names you just wrote, they are all Igbo names). Notwithstanding, I still plan to drop by your United Pentecostal Church service in July. One of my friends is a minister of UPC and once invited me to his church service; I went and I was surprised by folks speaking in tongues when they say that the Holy Spirit has taken hold of their minds. I want to see how you folks in the UK do it, speak in tongues. My Christian denomination is Anglican (Episcopal, as we call it in the USA). Is the below address still correct? I will likely attend the Wednesday evening meeting (which I am guessing is bible study?).  My phone number is (907) 310-8176. You can also reach me at Facebook’s Messenger and WhatsApp. Cheers, Ozodiobi Osuji

 

East London Fellowship

Pastor	Rev Emeka Okala
Times	Wednesday 7:30pm - 9:00pm Sunday 1.00pm - 4.30pm
Venue	Woodgrange Baptist Church 345 Romford Road London E7 8AA

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On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 6:30 AM, Baduba54 <badu...@aol.com> wrote:

At least one pure Igbo name surfaces in Okala's children. I know that if we have details the truth would emerge. Accountants know that the devil is in the details.

Aduba

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Chukwuemeka Okala' via Corporate Nigeria <corporate-nigeria@ googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Ben Aduba: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

1. Niki Chinulekwna

2. Blessing Eknunwemgbe

3. Grace Chinyere (Igbo name given to her by my wife - her mum)

4. Chnumezi Nikolaos

Meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 15:21:06 BST, Baduba54 badu...@aol.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianWorldForum@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:

1. Richard Chukwudi
   
2. Onyeka Elizabeth
3. Uzoamaka Nwanneka
4. Chioma, Nneka
5. Obiajulu Amalachukwu

Aduba

-----Original Message-----
From: Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk>

Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 10:05 am
Subject: Re: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

"Most Nigerians that I know usually give their children a first name and a middle name. Usually one of the names would be a Nigerian name. If we have the other names of Mr. Okala's children we could solve this riddle. I do not subscribe to the notion that Mr. Okala waited till his last born before realizing that he is a Nigerian and that somehow his identity should be reflected in the names of his beloved kids."  -  Dr. Ben Aduba

Comment:

Dr. Aduba, 

Let's start with you. Display the two names of all of your children first and I will do the same for my children immediately.

Meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 14:48:31 BST, 'Baduba54' via Corporate Nigeria <corporate-nigeria@ googlegroups.com> wrote:

Most Nigerians that I know usually give their children a first name and a middle name. Usually one of the names would be a Nigerian name. If we have the other names of Mr. Okala's children we could solve this riddle.. I do not subscribe to the notion that Mr. Okala waited till his last born before realizing that he is a Nigerian and that somehow his identity should be reflected in the names of his beloved kids.

Aduba

-----Original Message-----
From: Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk>

Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 9:16 am
Subject: Re: Nebukadineze Adiele: An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

"Even though it has been established that bearing Igbo name or Yoruba name does not make one Igbo or Yoruba (Zik's son, Bamidele, for example), I now know that Chinumezi is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning."  -  Ayo Ojutalayo

"This Chinu[e]mezi matter is like an Englishman telling a Frechman that "Francois" sounds English to him, because the English call people "Francis"  when in fact both have Latin roots"  -  Prof Bolaji Aluko

 Anu meka,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 10:34:35 BST, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ayo:

This Chinuemezi matter is like an Englishman telling a Frechman that "Francois" sounds English to him, because the English call people "Francis"  when in fact both have Latin roots

Haba!

QUOTE

What does Francis mean?

Francis

image: http://cdn.thinkbabynames.com/ img/play.png

 ▼ as a boys' name is pronounced FRAN-sis. It is of Latin origin, and the meaning of Francis is "frenchman". English form of Italian Francesco (Late Latin Franciscus; see Frank).. France was originally the kingdom of the Franks. Saint Francis of Assisi (12th century) is remembered as the gentle giant who delighted in God's works as revealed by nature. He was originally named Giovanni, the Italian form of John, but got the nickname Francis because his father had taught him French as a boy. Frances is the feminine form. Musician Francis Sinatra, also known as Frank; philosopher Sir Francis Bacon; composer Franz Josef Haydn; King Francois I of France; playwright Ferenc Molnar; French president Francois Mitterrand; film director Francis Ford Coppola; "Star Spangled Banner" author Francis Scott Key; football players Fran Tarkenton, Franco  Harris.

Variations

VARIANTS Chico, Curro, Ferenc,  Feri, Ffransis, Fran, Francis que, Franco▲, Francesco, Franc he, Franchesco, Franchesko, Fr anchot, Francisco, Franciscus,  Franciskus, Franciszek, Franc o▲, Francois, Franio, Frank▼,  Frankie▼, Franko, Frann, Frann ie, Frans, Fransisco, Frants,  Frantz, Franz, Franzel, Franze n, Franzi, Franzin, Frasco, Fr ascuelo, Frasquito, Paco, Paco rro, Panchito, Pancho, Paquito , Proinsias

RELATIONS VIA FERENC, FRANCO, FRANK Franc, Franck, Francke,  Franky

FEMININE FORMS Frances, Jancis

Read more at http://www.thinkbabynames.com/ meaning/1/Francis# WtVkeiJLgo6oOBue.99

UNQUOTE

Bolaji Aluko

Shaking his head

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Ayo Ojutalayo <ayooju...@yahoo.com> wrote:

My dear Emeka,

Thank you very much. Even though it has been established that bearing Igbo name or Yoruba name does not make one Igbo or Yoruba (Zik's son, Bamidele, for example), I now know that Chinumezi is an Ikwerre name. If it were an Igbo name, Ozodi would not have needed to be guessing the meaning.

Ayo Ojutalayo

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On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 2:25 AM, 'Chukwuemeka Okala' via AfricanWorldForum

<africanworldforum@ googlegroups.com> wrote:

"...Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary."  -  Nebukadineze Adiele

Comment:

"My dear friend Ayo,

The name Chinumezi has got NOTHING to do with Igbo. It's purely Ikwerre name. And I can say without fear of contradiction that Nebukadineze Adiele does not know the meaning of Chinumezi. Believe me, no Igbo discussant on these fora knows the meaning. Ozodi Osuji hazarded the meaning in Igbo Language but failed woefully. It WILL take Nebukadineze Adiele to put a call to his Ikwerre cousins in Nigeria for him to know the meaning. Take it or leave it."  -  By Emeka Reuben Okala

And there you have it! (Apologies Prof. Bolaji Aluko).

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed.. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

Polygamist Ayo,

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 6:57 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi"   - By Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

As a matter of principle, I strictly keep my lovely family from the inferno of cyber debate. But because I'm dealing with a world of gullible human beings who may swallow your lies hook, line and sinker without verification, I'm, on this one-off occasion, constrained to make an exception to this principle - just to shame the devil.

Ozodi Osuji, God has given me four lovely children and they are in the following order, Niki, Blessing, Grace and Chinumezi.

Please tell me which one of the above is Igbo? Absolutely none! So, why do you lie? Lord have mercy!

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 01:53:11 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 2:36 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"The man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr.. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Ozodi Osuji,

If you please, tell this audience the Igbo names that I gave to my children. It's not that I would be breaking any law had I chosen to give any of my children an Igbo name. But the simple fact is that none of my children has an Igbo name except in Dr. Osuji's widest imagination. Please mention the Igbo names that I gave to my children. 

I'm waiting,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

My Ikwerre brethren must understand the risk in the dangerous game being played. The most important group of Nigerians they must convince to accept Ikwerre as an ethnic group distinct from Igbo is the Igbo. They are better off not winning this fight. So should push only so far.

The day they succeed in convincing the Igbo that they are not Igbo, it will open a variety of opportunities most of which will be to the detriment of Ikwerre people.

Ikwerre population in Rivers State is about 1 million. Mainland Igbo living in Rivers State is equal to or more than the total population of Ikwerre. They could form other alliances such as with both Ijaw and Ogoni and other ethnic units not as hostile to mainland Igbo as Ikwerre is trying to become. We know what happens when two married old friends divorce: former friends become current enemies and try to destroy each other. It could happen when Ikwerre divorces Igbo.

The mainland Igbo have the economic resources to take over PH when allied to other PH residents not Ikwerre or could just abandon Ikwerre people to their faith among their usually not friendly neighbors.

History does not record any people conquering the Igbo just as it does not record the Igbo conquering any other ethnic groups. They have lived their lives in peace with all their neighbors from time immemorial and still do even now. But that does not mean that they cannot be provoked to fight. There is an Igbo song that goes like this:

Onye akpana agu aka n’odu

Ma O di ndu

Ma O nwuru anwu

Translated it is a warning not to provoke a lion to a fight at all costs. The unsaid implication is that the fight would end badly for the provocateur.

Ikwerre people ought to understand that they could be Ikwerre and Igbo at the same time. Just as Imo, Enugu, Anambra, etc., people are both Igbo and Wawa, Ijekebee, etc. people. It need not be mutually exclusive.

My two pennies advise.

Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba

Boston, Massachusetts

May 7, 2018

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Monsieur le General:

Your correction was convoluted, that is why I did not understand it.  But I now see that I "gbe won fun'ra" inadvertently.

Apologies!

[Ishola Williams]

Prof Oyinbo repete! iw

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Emeka Reuben Okala:

First please convey my congratulations to Chinumezi for his achievements since I gave him the fat dollar bill(s), and to his parents for guiding him this far.

As to my ambivalence, I must confess that we have taken this language differentiation matter as an indicator of ethnographic identification between the Igbo and Ikwerre a little too far.  It may have risen to intellectual malpractice.  

My surprise "discovery" of the intense similarity between the Igala and Yoruba languages, yet no one would say that  the Igala are Yoruba or vice versa really highlights the barrenness of the exercise.

There is no identifying Igbo, Yoruba or Fulani DNA marker.  To the best of my knowledge, there is no common ancestor that the Igbo claim that would make it look as if a disclaimer of Igbo nationality is a renunciation of family blood.  Even the Yoruba who claim an Oduduwa progenitor is cast more along royal households rather than common ancestry.

So why the angst, except for high testosterone levels?

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Nebu:

The Igala-Yoruba language matter is not just words, but clauses, phrases and sentences that qualify to make one a dialect of the other.

 

ÍGÁLÁÀ	YORÙBÁ	ENGLISH	IGBO
ábíá	ajá	dog	nkita
ábuké	abiké	hunch-back	mkpumkpu
áchichi	eṣiṣi	house-fly	ijiji
áféjú	afó ̣jú	a blind person	Onye isi
èlìká	òrùká	ring	Mgba-aka, ola nkpisi aka
éwẹ	ẹyẹ	bird	nnunu
ìgbí	ìgbín	snail	Ejuna, ejune, eju
ìlàwò	ìràwò ̣	star	kpakpando
óchúù	oṣù	moon	onwa
òlùgbẹ	òngbẹ	thirst	Akpiri po nku, Akpiri nkwu, mmiri ogugu
éjóò	ejò	snake	agwo
óc̣hẹ	ọṣẹ	soap	ncha
ówé ̣	ọyé ̣	harmattan	uguru
úkó ̣	ikó ̣	cough	ukwara
úchu	iṣu	yam	ji
òtòótólō	tòlótòló	turkey	torotoro
òkékété ̣	kétékété ̣	donkey	Inyinya ibu
ólu	orun	sleep	Ula, ura
ólù	orùn	Sun	Anwu, anyanwu
óṃa	ọmọ	son/daughter	nwa
ó ̣jó ̣	ó ̣jó ̣ (ijó)̣	day; day-time	e

 

Shared Names of Parts of the Body

For one to properly understand and appreciate the factors that fostered the evolution of Yorùbá, Ìtshèḳ írí and Ígálá languages, J.W. Spencer explains that “Language is subject to slow change… In other words, if a group of people speaking the same language divides… and there is, for generations, little communication, then,…the language habits of the divergence will only be such as to result in what we call a dialect difference. The two groups will be able to communicate, but with increasing difficulty. If the separation remains over a much longer period, then the result will ultimately be the development of distinct languages.” The commonalities between Ígáláà and Yorùbá languages, a few of which are shown above, did not occur by sheer coincidence; rather, they affirm the common ancestry of the two peoples whose languages are referred to as ‘kindred’ languages. (See Ìfè;̣ Ábejúkolo Ìfè). In the light of the foregoing, it is safe to conclude that the Igala-Yoruba contact in ancient times was not a meeting of two different ethnic groups but, rather, of an erstwhile, homogeneous entity that parted in the present-day Ìfè Ḍistrict area north-east of the Igala Kingdom over two thousand years back. It was a prolonged co-habitation of relatives, kith and kin who lived together and spoke the same language up to the point of their migration and separation. Following the separation, each group has been left with a memento of shared language, residues of which generously abound in their respective tongues till date. The point needs to be stressed that the vocabulary items shared by the Igalaa and Yoruba did not result from linguistic adoption, as is the case with the under-mentioned foreign languages whose loan-words exist in numbers in the Igala vocabulary.

Shared Clauses and Sentences

 

ÍGÁLÁÀ	YORÙBÁ	ENGLISH
Ùwẹ ajòkwúta má m’omi-í	Ìwọ ajòkúta má mu omi.	You eat stone and do not drink water
D’ọwó ̣ k’ō.̣	F’ọwó ̣ k’ọ.	Touch him/her/it.
Fà mí m’óla	Fà mí m’ára	Bring me close to yourself
Du ló; du wá.	Gbé lọ; gbé bò ̣	Carry go; bring come.
D’ùjẹñwu wá.	Mú ónjẹ wá	Bring the food.
Gbà k’é ̣ jẹ.	Gbà k’ó jẹ	Take it and eat it.
Ébi ákpa mí.	Ebiń pa mí	I am hungry
Íye mi d’ebi kpa mí	Ìyá mi f’ebi pa mí.	My mother starved me.
Ólu fù mí mú.	Oruń mú mi	English Column: I fell asleep (Lit. Sleep arrested me).
Éjú k’ì m’ẹnẹ…	Ojú tó m’ẹni	The eyes that recognize someone.
Ù lí má kpàí éjú mi méjì	Mo rí wọn kpèḷ ú ójú mi méjì	I saw them with my two eyes.
Úná jō mi-í	Ina jó mi	It was fire that burned me.
Óla mií yā ṅ	Ara mi ò yá	I am

Yet the Igala are not Yoruba or vice versa.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS:. I have brought examples from all over the world - England, Ireland, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Nigeria - on this recurring argument but you keep dismissing them because you are fixated on one single narrative. That is not a sign of intellectual curiosity or integrity, not of an open mind.

 Wednesday, May 9, 2018, Nebukadineze Adiele <nebukadineze@aol too.com> wrote:

• My surprise "discovery" of the intense similarity between the Igala and Yoruba languages, yet no one would say that  the Igala are Yoruba or vice versa really highlights the barrenness of the exercise. (Ex-VC Aluko)
  

The above is so incongruous an analogy (relative to the matter of Igbo/Ikwere) that it merits being labelled an intellectual malpractice. What you discovered is that some Igala words mean the same thing or sound the exact way as their Yoruba counterparts. Linguists explain that common occurrence easily -- words' borrowing from an ethnic group that lacked the words for such things. 

For example, the entire world, except Japan, had no word for tsunami, so the world borrowed it from Japanese.  Hausa has no word for bread, so they disfigured the English word into "burodi" for bread (don't hold me on the spelling, Forrest Gump Abba Gumel would do so childishly without this disclaimer). If time permitted, I would have listed English words that were altered into becoming Hausa words, yet no sane person would claim that such a phenomenon is similar to what exists between Igbo and Ikwere. Bottom-line, there is nothing earth-shattering in your discovering that some Igala words mean the same thing in Yoruba as do Yoruba ones -- may be Igala borrowed from Yoruba or vice versa. There is no sentence of Igala's that is Yoruba, that clearly shows that Igala is a different language from Yoruba.

With Ikwere, there is not a sentence in Ikwere that is not a dialect of Igbo language, so your injecting this your discovery (of Igala words that are Yoruba's also) was designed to mislead, misinform, to not amuse and enlighten -- values that you used to append to your signature years ago. Above all, Ikwere was always Igbo until 1967, and till today, the claim that Ikwere is not Igbo is not universal withing the Ikwere population -- you Bantus keep ignoring these obvious facts.

The best solution is that Yorobo folks should butt out of this conversation and allow Igbo and Ikwere to settle their family feud. As my Owere people say, ugwuo mmanu na nwanne ya wu arighi mma ya onye ozo (an feud between two siblings usually becomes a bonding matter between one of the siblings and an interloper). That simply implies that siblings should never let an outsider into their quarrels because nefarious and vicious outsiders will always inflame and prolong the enmity/feud. Yoroba has a history of doing this to Igbo and we must reject it now before it becomes another Biafra war.  

Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.

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Subject: Re: [TalkNigeria] An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Aduba;

You should know that the term "clever" is a derogatory term to use for a person over ten years old, not to talk of over sixty, and so I reject it.

I have taken part in various discussions about our Nigerian peoples on these forums for over two decades now not to get under anybody's or group's skin, but to seek for greater understanding among us, and to offer other stories to the single but separate ones that many of us were reared with and on, many from childhood.  Growing up, I did not know about the vicious gulfs of arrogance and resentment that existed among our peoples, until the June 12 crisis of 1993, when they became in full display, when I had to retreat to learn more about us.   It was an epiphany. I also found that they had metastssized more with Diaspora Nigerians than with those at home, some kind of Rip Van Winkle effect.

So let me be clear:. I am not being 'clever.". Yes, I may express opinions that you and others don't agree with, but they are not capricious, and subject to modulation and change based on new information.  Even Nebu admits that I strive to study on the issues that I comment on, and I provide references, even though for strange unknown reasons, he dismisses all of them as irrelevant, as he sticks to his single story.

It is your right not to take me serious, but please don't mislead others. Yes, to inform, enlighten, educate, teach, express a point of view, to entertain, to amuse and to learn remain my hackneyed aims in participating in these forums, but I strive to do all of those with wisdom. On the Igbo-Ikwerre issue, I am serious.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018, Baduba54 <badu...@aol.com> wrote:

Mr. Aluko is a clever man. His interest in Ikwerre is/is not Igbo is for his personal entertainment. But he appears to be getting in the skin of some readers when he stokes the fire between the two ethnic groups. If you allow Mr. Aluko into you skin he will settle in.

I read his input into this subject for my own entertainment. Were ya ka egwu. Do not take him too seriously. He already conducted a non-scientific survey and published the result. So he knows the truth.

Aduba

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"Clever" on its own is not derogatory."being clever by half" is according to thhe English spoken by the Queen of Gb and not by Ekiti and Anambra peoples.

Take this to te CBN.iw

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Joe Attueyi <topc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

You should know that the term "clever" is a derogatory term to use for a person over ten years old, not to talk of over sixty, and so I reject it.

Prof Aluko

This is a new one for me. Clever as a derogatory term. Can you kindly provide references? I like to learn everyday 

Joe

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Joe Attueyi and GIW:

Both of you - and I - live and learn every day.

Clever:. superficially skillful, witty, or original in character or construction; facile:It was an amusing, clever play, but of no lasting value.

Yes, one of several meanings,

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/clever

 but context matters.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS:. "Clever by half" is an obvious trickery that explodes in one's face!

[Abraham Madu]

Did I not tell you guys that Nebu, as Igbo, dwarves folks with his intellectual superiority. Igbo are too modest to say it, so I say it because I am ordained to call a spade a spade no matter whose ass is put to shame. Go back and read what Nebu wrote. He took Bolaji to the shed for some spanking. I could hear Bolaji screaming in pain all the way here in Chicago. Mind you, Bolaji grew up and schooled in Igboland. But Igboness, Igbocrity, you have to born with it. Gbam! Gbam!! Gbam!!! Need I say more? 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎May‎ ‎10‎, ‎2018‎ ‎07‎:‎01‎:‎29‎ ‎AM, Philip Achusim eze...@yahoo.com [IgboEvents] <IgboE...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Did I not tell you guys that Nebu, as Igbo, dwarves folks with his intellectual superiority. Igbo are too modest to say it, so I say it because I am ordained to call a spade a spade no matter whose ass is put to shame. Go back and read what Nebu wrote. He took Bolaji to the shed for some spanking. I could hear Bolaji screaming in pain all the way here in Chicago. Mind you, Bolaji grew up and schooled in Igboland. But Igboness, Igbocrity, you have to born with it. Need I say more? 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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On Wednesday, May 9, 2018, 4:32 PM, 'Nebukadineze Adiele' via Corporate Nigeria <corporat...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

• My surprise "discovery" of the intense similarity between the Igala and Yoruba languages, yet no one would say that  the Igala are Yoruba or vice versa really highlights the barrenness of the exercise. (Ex-VC Aluko)
  

The above is so incongruous an analogy (relative to the matter of Igbo/Ikwere) that it merits being labelled an intellectual malpractice. What you discovered is that some Igala words mean the same thing or sound the exact way as their Yoruba counterparts. Linguists explain that common occurrence easily -- words' borrowing from an ethnic group that lacked the words for such things. 

For example, the entire world, except Japan, had no word for tsunami, so the world borrowed it from Japanese.  Hausa has no word for bread, so they disfigured the English word into "burodi" for bread (don't hold me on the spelling, Forrest Gump Abba Gumel would do so childishly without this disclaimer). If time permitted, I would have listed English words that were altered into becoming Hausa words, yet no sane person would claim that such a phenomenon is similar to what exists between Igbo and Ikwere. Bottom-line, there is nothing earth-shattering in your discovering that some Igala words mean the same thing in Yoruba as do Yoruba ones -- may be Igala borrowed from Yoruba or vice versa. There is no sentence of Igala's that is Yoruba, that clearly shows that Igala is a different language from Yoruba.

With Ikwere, there is not a sentence in Ikwere that is not a dialect of Igbo language, so your injecting this your discovery (of Igala words that are Yoruba's also) was designed to mislead, misinform, to not amuse and enlighten -- values that you used to append to your signature years ago. Above all, Ikwere was always Igbo until 1967, and till today, the claim that Ikwere is not Igbo is not universal withing the Ikwere population -- you Bantus keep ignoring these obvious facts.

The best solution is that Yorobo folks should butt out of this conversation and allow Igbo and Ikwere to settle their family feud. As my Owere people say, ugwuo mmanu na nwanne ya wu arighi mma ya onye ozo (an feud between two siblings usually becomes a bonding matter between one of the siblings and an interloper). That simply implies that siblings should never let an outsider into their quarrels because nefarious and vicious outsiders will always inflame and prolong the enmity/feud. Yoroba has a history of doing this to Igbo and we must reject it now before it becomes another Biafra war.  

Nebukadineze Adiele
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Emeka Reuben Okala:

First please convey my congratulations to Chinumezi for his achievements since I gave him the fat dollar bill(s), and to his parents for guiding him this far.

As to my ambivalence, I must confess that we have taken this language differentiation matter as an indicator of ethnographic identification between the Igbo and Ikwerre a little too far.  It may have risen to intellectual malpractice.  

My surprise "discovery" of the intense similarity between the Igala and Yoruba languages, yet no one would say that  the Igala are Yoruba or vice versa really highlights the barrenness of the exercise.

There is no identifying Igbo, Yoruba or Fulani DNA marker.  To the best of my knowledge, there is no common ancestor that the Igbo claim that would make it look as if a disclaimer of Igbo nationality is a renunciation of family blood.  Even the Yoruba who claim an Oduduwa progenitor is cast more along royal households rather than common ancestry.

So why the angst, except for high testosterone levels?

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

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Dear All

I put together the attached to engage you to further highlight or identify the appropriate Ikwerre words, phrases, etc based on the initial work of my compatriot Professor Bolaji Aluko for the IGALAA, YORUBA, IGBO languages. There are still some holes due to my limited knowledge of the Ogbakiri and Apara dialects. 

Your edits and suggestions are most welcome.

Nkalam Anuu Mekao, Mekao

O. Geoffrey Okogbaa

 

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Eyin agba naa le so pe "Pele l'ako pele l'obo".

The way a word is used can have a negative or a positive connotation. Clever in "Mr. Aluko is a clever man. His interest in Ikwerre is/is not Igbo is for his personal entertainment"  has a negative connotation. In this instance, it does not matter what the Dictionary meaning of "Clever" is.

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On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 8:50 am, eobiandu <eobi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

By far the best reasoned and presented contribution on this subject, Mr Osuji towers head and shoulders above the likes of Nebukadineze and Nwachukwu whose stock in trade is to denigrate and abuse. Nebukadineze, in his usual gutter style called me names for the way I addressed Dr Nwachukwu because, in his view I do not know who Dr Nwachukwu is. Well well well - Dr Nwachukwu, by his response did not exactly paint a picture of a himself as a respectful person and therefore deserving of respect. He seemed to have s closed mind from which insults and needless derision flee out. Ordinarily, Dr Nwachukwu may well be an ‘important person’ as Nebukadineze wants me to believe, but I never count myself lucky for interacting with someone who sets out to ridicule me. Im sorry but on this occasion, Neachukwu made himself ‘banana’ and as the saying goes, ‘If you make yourself banana, monkey will certainly eat you’.  And so he was eaten. 

Mr Osuji, without doubt has demonstrated extraordinary self-respect in his presentation, such that it is difficult to fault him and it is absolutely delightful to read his piece. He is a person with whom you could have an argument over something, disagree with him and yet both of you can remain good friends. In my experience, I must admit that it is far easier to throw insults like Nebukadineze than to be circumspect and graceful like Mr Osuji. Meekness, they say, is to possess the strength of a lion but also the self-restrain not to use it like a lion. So I urge the Nebukadinezes of this Forum / world to borrow a leaf from Mr Osuji as I remind them that the warehouse from which they get their supply of foul language is a 24 hour open access, drive-through and not on the exclusive preserve of a gated community. Some of us simply choose not to go there. 

Not only has Mr Osuji been self-respecting in his contribution, he has also not derogated anyone - Emeka Okala or his Ikwerre people. Even his advise to my good friend and brother Nyedikne Okala is both measured and in good faith. For the avoidance of doubt, I certainly do not agree with the main thrust of his thesis that Ikwerre should consider themselves Ibos (Igbos- apologies Nwachukwu) and return for the greater good of the greater Igbo race. Yet he is someone with whom I can strike and sustain a good relationship. He has been constructive rather than polemical. For this I salute Mr Osuji. You and millions of Ndigbo of your disposition can forever claim moral as well as intellectual superiority over the Nebukadinezes of this world who are fast becoming an endangered species. 

But there’s one thing that bothers me about this Forum, majority of whose members are undoubtedly decent and responsible individuals who do not deserve these daily doses of free-flying insults and the reckless deployment of the most extreme of foul languages by a tiny section of its membership. As an ‘accidental visitor’ I have been able to resist Nebukadineze’s attempt to drag me down the sewers, his usual place of abode. However, I feel for other members of the Forum, most of who just want to engage in exchange of ideas and in a civilised and unpolluted environment. Are there no rules of engagement here and if there are what are the requisite sanctions? Just wondering ...

Good morning

Emeka Obiandu

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018, 10:11 pm, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

AN OPEN LETTER TO REV. CHUKWUEMEKA OKALA, MA.

Emeka:

      It seems to me that in pursuit of your thesis that Ikwerre is

not Igbo you do not mind telling lies.

      As we all know, Igbo has many dialects. I am from Owerri. I

barely understand Onitsha Igbo. I do not understand Abriba Igbo at

all; you might as well be speaking French if you speak Abriba Igbo to

me.

    Because Igbo has many dialects, some of them understandable to

all Igbos, I assumed that Ikwerre is a dialect of Igbo that many Igbos

do not understand just as I do not understand Abriba Igbo.

      In response to you, I wondered out loud why if you are not Igbo

you have Igbo name. My senior brother’s name is Chukwuemeka, the same

as your name. I further asked why you gave your children Igbo names.

    You responded to my inquiry by telling me that I have wild

imagination and are lying when I said that your children have Igbo

names; you asked me to provide the names of your children to prove

that I am correct and if I could not do so then, as you said, I am a

liar.

    I replied to you by saying that at Facebook I had seen you and

your family members with Igbo names. I did not provide your children’s

names because it was not my business to do so. I did provide the names

of my daughter and two boys.

    You proceeded to tell us the names of your four children. You

gave us three of them with their English names and the last one with

an apparent Igbo name.

    I said that the name you assigned to your last child seems Igbo.

You disputed that the Igbo name of the last daughter was Igbo.

    Aduba remarked that most people in our neck of the woods tend to

have English as well as African names (for example, my Christian name

is Thomas but my grandmother called me Ozodiobi). Mr. Aduba proceeded

to provide us with the names of his five children, their English and

Igbo names attached.

    You responded by giving us the four Igbo names of your four

children (twisted to make them seem non-Igbo).

    As far as I was concerned the name imbroglio was over. I wrote

and said that I would visit your church when I visit London this July

and asked you if the address of your church which you have on Facebook

is still correct? I just wanted to know where I am coming to. I had no

ulterior motives in asking you for the correct address of your church.

    You went ballistic saying that I invaded your privacy by lifting

what you told the world is your church’s address at Facebook and

publishing it in my response to you. You said that I lack decorum and

went on and on saying abusive stuff about me. I chose to let it pass.

That was yesterday. But I notice that the name calling is continuing.

      I did not consciously say anything to hurt you. I assumed that

churches want the public to know about them and attract people to

them. That was why I did not see anything wrong providing your

church’s address (your picture is on it...I assumed that you already

have your picture at Nigerian Internet forums...as I do).

    You went on to tell the world that I requested your friendship at

Facebook and that you rejected me.  I was flabbergasted by that

statement. I did not request your friendship. (I blocked and

unfriended you yesterday).

      I have the maximum 5000 allowed friends at Facebook and have,

may be, another 1000 requesting my friendship.

      Occasionally, I go to my Facebook page and see if some people

have dropped me as their friends (the type of stuff I post at Facebook

and at my website: www.centerformindscience.org would not appeal to

typical Nigerians so some of them drop me); if a couple has dropped me

I go to the waiting list asking me for acceptance and confirm their

request.

      Last July, I saw your name and picture as one of those on the

que asking for me to confirm their request for friendship and I

clicked confirm so we have been Facebook friends since last July.

      Thereafter, I see the pictures you post at Facebook. Generally,

your posting relates to your church and what is going on in it.

      When people post activities going on at their church at Facebook

they want the entire world to see them; they are not hiding them.

      If I had known that you did not want your Igbo sparring friends

at Nigerian Internet forums to see your activities at your Church, I

would not have posted your church’s address at a Nigerian forum.

    I know full well that many of the folks at Nigerian internet

forums are criminals; such persons generally go by made up names; they

have been known to try stealing from people; they tried to steal from

my daughter (my two sons were advised about them and they have been

waiting for them to call them and try to steal from them and since

both are computer savvy get them arrested and jailed).

      I am aware that some folks abuse information that they gather

from Nigerians at Nigerian internet forums. I can therefore understand

your leeriness sharing personal information with them. Therefore, one

can say that I made a mistake in presenting the address of your

church. For that I apologize.

      Be that as it may, I do not believe that you have the right to

call me abusive names (liar, lacking in decorum and other such names).

      Generally, I allow these things to not bother me. My feedback

to you is that as a minister of God you should not call folks names

that they construe as abusive. Not every person has my level of

understanding to know that a person can only feel insulted if he feels

that he can be insulted; if one does not feel that other people can

insult one they cannot insult one even if they call one seeming

degrading names. People with positive self-esteem do not give a damn

what other people call them. As you know, many folks at Nigerian

internet forums have called me every negative name they can muster but

those names are water off my skin. But some people do feel angry when

called put down names and fight back. If you keep calling people

negative names some of them will fight with you, so do not call any

one negative name. This is my one penny advice for you.

      Regarding your desire not to be associated with Igbos, that is

your right. Many Americans are ashamed of America. Facebook was

started by Mark Zuckerberg and his computer geek friend, Eduardo

Severin (Mark studied psychology at Harvard). The computer geek friend

actually wrote the program that runs Facebook (he too is a

billionaire...just as Paul Allen, the cofounder with Bill Gates of

Microsoft is in the background but a Billionaire...Steve Wosniak

cofounded Apple computer with Steve Jobs and is in the background,

also a billionaire); he renounced his American citizenship and now

lives at Singapore. It is a free world so you are free to see you as

you want to be seen.

    My best friend is called Kelechi Wami; he lives at Los Angeles,

California and is Ikwerri. He attended Baptist High school at Port

Harcourt. A brilliant chap; we met at U of O and UCLA. He is as proud

of his Igboness as, say, Chukwuma Agwunobi.  The point is that many

Ikwerris see themselves as Igbos.

      As you probably are aware, or should be aware, Fulanis have now

embarked on ethnic cleansing. They are killing off Christians in the

Middle Belt with the intention of taking over their lands and

converting what is left of them to Islam. Theophelous Danjuma (the guy

who killed Aguiyi Ironsi) is asking his fellow Middle Belt folks to

arm themselves and fight with the Fulani hordes.

      In time, the Fulanis will start killing Igbos. Despite your

negation of your Igbo people they will kill you, for they see you as

Igbo. Your Yoruba friends, who encourage you to deny your Igbo people,

will cooperate with the Fulanis when they kill you; in case you need

reminding, remember that they cooperated with Hausas when they killed

3.5 million Igbos during the Nigerian civil war.

      You know about my incessant descriptions of Igbos untoward

behaviors. That notwithstanding, Fulanis see me as Igbo and will kill

me when they start killing Igbos. Those are simply facts.

      Therefore, Emeka, it is in your and my self-interest to identify

as Igbos and work for Igbos good rather than deny our heritage. I am

committed to correcting perceived Igbo negative behaviors but that

does not detract from the fact that I am an Igbo.

      I am proud to be Igbo; you, too, ought to be. Pride in ones

people should not lead to looking down on any one; I do not look down

on other Nigerians, for all of us are equal children of God.

Cheers,

Ozodiobi Osuji

May 9, 2018

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Emeka Reuben Okala:

>

> First please convey my congratulations to Chinumezi for his achievements

> since I gave him the fat dollar bill(s), and to his parents for guiding him

> this far.

>

> As to my ambivalence, I must confess that we have taken this language

> differentiation matter as an indicator of ethnographic identification

> between the Igbo and Ikwerre a little too far.  It may have risen to

> intellectual malpractice.

>

> My surprise "discovery" of the intense similarity between the Igala and

> Yoruba languages, yet no one would say that  the Igala are Yoruba or vice

> versa really highlights the barrenness of the exercise.

>

> There is no identifying Igbo, Yoruba or Fulani DNA marker.  To the best of

> my knowledge, there is no common ancestor that the Igbo claim that would

> make it look as if a disclaimer of Igbo nationality is a renunciation of

> family blood.  Even the Yoruba who claim an Oduduwa progenitor is cast more

> along royal households rather than common ancestry.

>

> So why the angst, except for high testosterone levels?

>

> And there you have it.

>

>

> Bolaji Aluko

>

>

> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018, 'Chukwuemeka Okala' via AfricanWorldForum

[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Bantu Nebu continues to throw sand at Emeka Obiandu who has shown himself to be more civil and of better intellect. Nebu does not want to accept the fact that the once colonised people of SS (colonised by Igbo) are free for ever.

Ayo Ojutalayo

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On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 3:40 AM, 'Nebukadineze Adiele' via Corporate Nigeria

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Emeka Obiandu is a sick man, a cunning creep, and a crooked born-again. He is an example of what Jesus called hypocrites who would never see the kingdom of heaven because they fake piety in the day time but only to commit murder, adultery, sodomy, and pedophilia at night; they steal from the poor to add to the much they already have.

Jesus had to be staring at Emeka Obiandu when uttered those words because Obiandu proved him correct by whining about insults while every sentence he constructed in his epistle of evil contained insults directed at Nebukadineze and or at Dr Nwachukwu. For Obiandu's information, Dr Nwachukwu is the Ekwueme 1 of Igbo land, which means that since Obiandu is an Igbo of Ikwere without a title, he must shake Dr Nwachukwu's hand with his two hands while on one knee. 

In showering praises on Ozodinobi Osuji, Emeka Obinadu exposes the shallowness of his murky mind to all. Osuji's letter to Eemka Okala was of a personal nature and its contents ought to be between him and Okala. Were Obiandu intellectually and socially sophisticated, he would not have commented on that letter -- it was not a part of the debate, it was Osuji's way of clarifying his position and suing for peace between the two of them. What business of Obiandu's is Osuji's letter to Okala, for crying out loud? 

This charlatan of a hungry assistant pastor, Emeka Obindu, thinks that we are the widows to whom he wrote a pamphlet, whose launching was chaired by Okala and attended by less than 10 people -- those on this mailing list saw the pictures of the launching when Okala posted it last year. Emeka Obiandu is sweet talking Osuji because he read Osuji indicate a desire to visit London in the Summer. Since he is coming with some dollars, Obiandu is positioning himself into bringing Osuji to his cultist church should Okala insist on not dealing with Osuji. 

I've got a message for you, Emeka Obiandu: Ozodionobi Osuji will not be purchasing that your yeye pamphlet of yours because he only reads books written by white people. Also, forget about him donating any money to your pseudo cult that you pass off for a church because a cactus plant has just enough water to make a person forget thirstiness, not enough to quench it. If you think that Osuji is change his mind an dsay that Ikwere is not Igbo, you'd better stop fooling yourself becaus he would not do that. Above all, whe it is time for you Mbiara-mbiara Ikwere to exit our Igbo territory, and head back to from wherever your ancestors crashed into our territory, Osuji will not save you despite your borderline worshiping of him.  

Emeka Obinadu, you are a hypocrite, an intellectual midget, and a hustler whose stock in trade is insults, even though you pretend to disdain insults. You have insulted Dr Nwachukwu and Nebukadineze more than we have insulted you, yet you are in a lamentation like a sissy over our having supposedly insulted you. 

Get thee behind me, you Satan of small London! 

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Dan,

In the spirit of honesty?

Ayo Ojutalayo

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On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Dan Obi

<daku...@icloud.com> wrote:

In the spirit of honesty, my children’s names are  :

Chidiebere 

Ijeoma

Kelechi  ( aka Ibuanyidanda)

Uchenna.

I don’t have grand children yet.

I have however listed their names and my kids have agreed.

Amaraegbu

Akobundu - as first name. It is Kelechi’s middle name . Ibuanydanda is a nick name I gave him.

Munachiso

Ukachi

Aguzie

Duru 

And in the same spirit;

I am 

Eberechukwu Akusobi. 

People call me Dan and at work, 

I am known as Obi.

Over to you, Chukwuemeka, Okala.

Dan

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On May 7, 2018, at 9:58 PM, Philip Achusim <eze...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Reuben Okala:

If you don’t give us your children’s names, it means you are not honest. If you give us anything but their Igbo names, you lie before a traditional priest, and you die. Which do you choose? 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa 

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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On Monday, May 7, 2018, 8:47 PM, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

In the spirit of honesty, my children are: Ije, Obi and Kele.

Ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Philip Achusim <eze...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yea. An honest person has nothing to hide. As Igbo as I am, guess what names my children gave my great grandchildren? Amir and Amira. Those are not Igbo names but they are Igbo. I admit this because I am honest. Ok. Rev Okala, what are your children’s names. Be honest, if you can. If you can’t, remember who I am. You lie you die. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa 

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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On Monday, May 7, 2018, 7:52 PM, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 2:36 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"The man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Ozodi Osuji,

If you please, tell this audience the Igbo names that I gave to my children. It's not that I would be breaking any law had I chosen to give any of my children an Igbo name. But the simple fact is that none of my children has an Igbo name except in Dr. Osuji's widest imagination. Please mention the Igbo names that I gave to my children. 

I'm waiting,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Monday, 7 May 2018, 20:46:16 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

     Although I had resolved not to enter this infernal debate on whether Ikwerre is Igbo or is not Igbo, I must, however, say that I agree with Ben Aduba’s write up.

     I simply accept that Ikwerre is Igbo and do not listen to Emeka Okala’s efforts to prove to his self that he is not who he is. 

     Mr. Okala reminds me of mixed race people (and I know a lot on that subject since my three children could pass for white) who try to convince themselves that since they contain both white and black that they are not black. The fact is that an iota of African blood in you makes you black in the USA and you would be treated as black; thus, trying to deny your reality is futile.

      Mr. Okala argues that he is not Igbo but some of his Ikwerre folks taught me Igbo. I speak Port Harcourt Igbo taught me by Ikwerre folks at my secondary school, Anglican Grammar School, Gborokiri, Port Harcourt. Those men were the proudest Igbo in the entire world.  My best friends in the USA are Ikwerre and they are always correcting my halty Igbo, teaching me to speak in good Igbo.

      Whatever made Mr. Okala to deny his Igboness is his personal issue. The man claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names.  This is cognitive conflict at work; it is kind of like what W.E.B Dubois called the divided soul of the Negro American, a man who cannot make up his mind as to whether he is African or white hence lives in conflict, is paralyzed and unproductive.

     Mr. Okala, last summer when I was in London I nearly called you to meet up but on second thoughts decided against it. I will be in London during this summer (from now on, I will divide my time, live part of the year in my beloved Albion gland and the other part in my equally beloved Alaska...I usually stay at Kensington, near Holland Park).

    Mr. Okala, maybe we should meet up this summer?

    I have taken note of those Yorubas who encourage Mr. Okala to deny his Igboness; I have accepted that they are bent on dividing Igbos to conquer them. However, in the world of politics they are like children for they are not up to the task of fighting politically savvy Igbos.

 

Ozodiobi Osuji

May 7, 2018

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Abraham Madu <abraha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

History does not record any people conquering the Igbo just as it does not record the Igbo conquering any other ethnic groups. They have lived their lives in peace with all their neighbors from time immemorial and still do even now. But that does not mean that they cannot be provoked to fight. There is an Igbo song that goes like this:

 

Onye akpana agụ aka n’ọdụ

 

Ma Ọ dị ndụ

 

Ma Ọ nwụrụ anwụ ooooooooooooo!

Onye akpana Agụ aka n’ọdụ, HO! HA!

 

Translated it is a warning not to provoke a lion to a fight at all costs. The unsaid implication is that the fight would end badly for the provocateur.

 

 

 

 

Ikwerre people ought to understand that they could be Ikwerre and Igbo at the same time. Just as Imo, Enugu, Anambra, etc., people are both Igbo and Wawa, Ijekebee, etc. people. It need not be mutually exclusive.

 

 

 

 

My two pennies advise.

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Obiajụlụ Adụba

 

Boston, Massachusetts

 

May 7, 2018

On ‎Monday‎, ‎May‎ ‎7‎, ‎2018‎ ‎08‎:‎50‎:‎12‎ ‎AM, Baduba54 badu...@aol.com [TalkNigeria] <TalkN...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

Since the middle of the Nigerian Civil War, some misinformed Ikwerre young people have been trying to convince Nigerians and particularly the Igbo that Ikwerre is not Igbo. So far they this campaign has not won any converts to their cause. Some Ikwerre political leaders have noticed and are straddling the line between Ikwerre is/is not Igbo.

The reason for the failure to win converts is primarily because there is no significant physical, cultural, religious, language or other distinguishing features between an Igbo and an Ikwerre. If Mr. Okala, the journalist/preacher stands beside Mr. Okala, the soccer goal keeper, nobody could tell who Ikwerre is and who Igbo is. On the other hand one could tell who is Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa if three people are standing together.

The reason for pushing the separation of Ikwerre from Igbo is based on short sighted leadership. Ikwerre people reap the benefits of being Igbo without the responsibility such membership demands. When the president counts his appointments he would usually count Mr. Rotimi Amaechi as Igbo. When the Ijaw or Ogoni people name the governors of Rivers State they include Mr. Amaechi and Mr. Wike as Igbo governors. And this is proper because they win their elections with the support of mainland Igbo in Rivers state.

My Ikwerre brethren must understand the risk in the dangerous game being played. The most important group of Nigerians they must convince to accept Ikwerre as an ethnic group distinct from Igbo is the Igbo. They are better off not winning this fight. So should push only so far.

The day they succeed in convincing the Igbo that they are not Igbo, it will open a variety of opportunities most of which will be to the detriment of Ikwerre people.

Ikwerre population in Rivers State is about 1 million. Mainland Igbo living in Rivers State is equal to or more than the total population of Ikwerre. They could form other alliances such as with both Ijaw and Ogoni and other ethnic units not as hostile to mainland Igbo as Ikwerre is trying to become. We know what happens when two married old friends divorce: former friends become current enemies and try to destroy each other. It could happen when Ikwerre divorces Igbo.

The mainland Igbo have the economic resources to take over PH when allied to other PH residents not Ikwerre or could just abandon Ikwerre people to their faith among their usually not friendly neighbors.

History does not record any people conquering the Igbo just as it does not record the Igbo conquering any other ethnic groups. They have lived their lives in peace with all their neighbors from time immemorial and still do even now. But that does not mean that they cannot be provoked to fight. There is an Igbo song that goes like this:

Onye akpana agu aka n’odu

Ma O di ndu

Ma O nwuru anwu

Translated it is a warning not to provoke a lion to a fight at all costs. The unsaid implication is that the fight would end badly for the provocateur.

Ikwerre people ought to understand that they could be Ikwerre and Igbo at the same time. Just as Imo, Enugu, Anambra, etc., people are both Igbo and Wawa, Ijekebee, etc. people. It need not be mutually exclusive.

My two pennies advise.

Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba

Boston, Massachusetts

May 7, 2018

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Ozodi,

You forgot to apologize for bringing Emeka Okala and his wife's picture to the forums from facebook without their consent.

Ayo Ojutalayo

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> Emeka Reuben Okala:

>

> First please convey my congratulations to Chinumezi for his achievements

> since I gave him the fat dollar bill(s), and to his parents for guiding him

> this far.

>

> As to my ambivalence, I must confess that we have taken this language

> differentiation matter as an indicator of ethnographic identification

> between the Igbo and Ikwerre a little too far.  It may have risen to

> intellectual malpractice.

>

> My surprise "discovery" of the intense similarity between the Igala and

> Yoruba languages, yet no one would say that  the Igala are Yoruba or vice

> versa really highlights the barrenness of the exercise.

>

> There is no identifying Igbo, Yoruba or Fulani DNA marker.  To the best of

> my knowledge, there is no common ancestor that the Igbo claim that would

> make it look as if a disclaimer of Igbo nationality is a renunciation of

> family blood.  Even the Yoruba who claim an Oduduwa progenitor is cast more

> along royal households rather than common ancestry.

>

> So why the angst, except for high testosterone levels?

>

> And there you have it.

>

>

> Bolaji Aluko

>

>

> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018, 'Chukwuemeka Okala' via AfricanWorldForum

[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Mazi,

I did not know that "ten attempts" is now the limit on a subject. Incidentally, I am yet to reach the limit. Is the "ten attempts" the reason for not apologizing for saying Bolaji was "clever"?

Ayo Ojutalayo

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Mr. Ojutalayo,

Are you still on this subject? We have all said what is in our minds. If after ten attempts you have not said all you know, then...

Aduba

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Mazi,

What has this got to do with this Yoruba who "blindly" supports a Fulani President? And what has it got to do with this Yoruba asking Igbo Ozodi to apologize to Ikwerre Emeka for bringing Emeka and wife's picture to the forum from facebook?

You probably need Ola's counsel more than me because I have not complained of racism or ethnicity.

Ayo Ojutalayo

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On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Baduba54

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Mr. Ojutalayo,

You may benefit from this lesson from the esteemed Mr. Kassim:

• A tribalist has no legs to stand on when he or she complains of racism!
  
  Bye,
  
  Ola
  

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My Prof,

The de-Igbonization of the Ikwere man is one of the aftermaths of the Civil War. When divide et magiste was fashionable, it sailed through. But such is no longer the case. It is more than forty years after the Civil War. Today's Ikweres mostly do not suffer the socalled dizziness from the war (apologies to Prof Angulu Onwuejeogwu) any more. This rhetoric is rather outdated. Ikweres are part and parcel of Ohaneze Nigbo, including the youth wing. Igbos have no common origin neither have they exact languages. There is a central Igbo language that every Igbo understands even if he can't speak. There is a common culture. Ikweres share in all this. I am yet to see an Ikwere man who speaks Ikwere but can't speak Igbo. That rhetoric my Prof, is expired.

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On Saturday, May 12, 2018, 2:19:48 PM EDT, Philip Achusim eze...@yahoo.com [NaijaObserver] <NaijaO...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ayo:

If the photo was on Facebook, why can’t it make it to the forums? 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa 

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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On Friday, May 11, 2018, 5:23 AM, Ayo Ojutalayo <ayooju...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ozodi,

You forgot to apologize for bringing Emeka Okala and his wife's picture to the forums from facebook without their consent.

Ayo Ojutalayo

  

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On Saturday, May 12, 2018, 2:19:48 PM EDT, Philip Achusim eze...@yahoo.com [NaijaObserver] <NaijaO...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ayo:

If the photo was on Facebook, why can’t it make it to the forums? 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa 

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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called put down names and fight back.. If you keep calling people

negative names some of them will fight with you, so do not call any

one negative name. This is my one penny advice for you.

      Regarding your desire not to be associated with Igbos, that is

your right. Many Americans are ashamed of America. Facebook was

started by Mark Zuckerberg and his computer geek friend, Eduardo

Severin (Mark studied psychology at Harvard). The computer geek friend

actually wrote the program that runs Facebook (he too is a

billionaire...just as Paul Allen, the cofounder with Bill Gates of

Microsoft is in the background but a Billionaire...Steve Wosniak

cofounded Apple computer with Steve Jobs and is in the background,

also a billionaire); he renounced his American citizenship and now

lives at Singapore. It is a free world so you are free to see you as

you want to be seen..

>> You forgot your secondary school french..It is been a long time sir.iw

>> caginam <cag...@yahoo.com>; udeamauche <udeam...@yahoo.com>; ige..leye

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“An honest person has nothing to hide. As Igbo as I am, guess what names my children gave my great grandchildren? Amir and Amira.”......DiaperMan Ezeana.

Ezeana is lying. His children and grandkids names I know, none is Amir or Amira.

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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On May 7, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Philip Achusim <eze...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yea. An honest person has nothing to hide. As Igbo as I am, guess what names my children gave my great grandchildren? Amir and Amira. Those are not Igbo names but they are Igbo. I admit this because I am honest. Ok. Rev Okala, what are your children’s names. Be honest, if you can. If you can’t, remember who I am. You lie you die. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa 

Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu 

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On Monday, May 7, 2018, 7:52 PM, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 2:36 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"The man [Emeka Okala] claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names."  -  Dr. Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

Ozodi Osuji,

If you please, tell this audience the Igbo names that I gave to my children. It's not that I would be breaking any law had I chosen to give any of my children an Igbo name. But the simple fact is that none of my children has an Igbo name except in Dr. Osuji's widest imagination. Please mention the Igbo names that I gave to my children. 

I'm waiting,

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

 

On Monday, 7 May 2018, 20:46:16 BST, ozodi osuji <ozodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

     Although I had resolved not to enter this infernal debate on whether Ikwerre is Igbo or is not Igbo, I must, however, say that I agree with Ben Aduba’s write up.

     I simply accept that Ikwerre is Igbo and do not listen to Emeka Okala’s efforts to prove to his self that he is not who he is. 

     Mr. Okala reminds me of mixed race people (and I know a lot on that subject since my three children could pass for white) who try to convince themselves that since they contain both white and black that they are not black. The fact is that an iota of African blood in you makes you black in the USA and you would be treated as black; thus, trying to deny your reality is futile.

      Mr. Okala argues that he is not Igbo but some of his Ikwerre folks taught me Igbo. I speak Port Harcourt Igbo taught me by Ikwerre folks at my secondary school, Anglican Grammar School, Gborokiri, Port Harcourt. Those men were the proudest Igbo in the entire world.  My best friends in the USA are Ikwerre and they are always correcting my halty Igbo, teaching me to speak in good Igbo.

      Whatever made Mr. Okala to deny his Igboness is his personal issue. The man claims not to be Igbo and has Igbo name and gave his children Igbo names.  This is cognitive conflict at work; it is kind of like what W.E.B Dubois called the divided soul of the Negro American, a man who cannot make up his mind as to whether he is African or white hence lives in conflict, is paralyzed and unproductive.

     Mr. Okala, last summer when I was in London I nearly called you to meet up but on second thoughts decided against it. I will be in London during this summer (from now on, I will divide my time, live part of the year in my beloved Albion gland and the other part in my equally beloved Alaska...I usually stay at Kensington, near Holland Park).

    Mr. Okala, maybe we should meet up this summer?

    I have taken note of those Yorubas who encourage Mr. Okala to deny his Igboness; I have accepted that they are bent on dividing Igbos to conquer them. However, in the world of politics they are like children for they are not up to the task of fighting politically savvy Igbos.

 

Ozodiobi Osuji

May 7, 2018

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Abraham Madu <abraha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

History does not record any people conquering the Igbo just as it does not record the Igbo conquering any other ethnic groups. They have lived their lives in peace with all their neighbors from time immemorial and still do even now. But that does not mean that they cannot be provoked to fight. There is an Igbo song that goes like this:

 

Onye akpana agụ aka n’ọdụ

 

Ma Ọ dị ndụ

 

Ma Ọ nwụrụ anwụ ooooooooooooo!

Onye akpana Agụ aka n’ọdụ, HO! HA!

 

Translated it is a warning not to provoke a lion to a fight at all costs. The unsaid implication is that the fight would end badly for the provocateur.

 

 

 

 

Ikwerre people ought to understand that they could be Ikwerre and Igbo at the same time. Just as Imo, Enugu, Anambra, etc., people are both Igbo and Wawa, Ijekebee, etc. people. It need not be mutually exclusive.

 

 

 

 

My two pennies advise.

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Obiajụlụ Adụba

 

Boston, Massachusetts

 

May 7, 2018

On ‎Monday‎, ‎May‎ ‎7‎, ‎2018‎ ‎08‎:‎50‎:‎12‎ ‎AM, Baduba54 badu...@aol.com [TalkNigeria] <TalkN...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

Since the middle of the Nigerian Civil War, some misinformed Ikwerre young people have been trying to convince Nigerians and particularly the Igbo that Ikwerre is not Igbo. So far they this campaign has not won any converts to their cause. Some Ikwerre political leaders have noticed and are straddling the line between Ikwerre is/is not Igbo.

The reason for the failure to win converts is primarily because there is no significant physical, cultural, religious, language or other distinguishing features between an Igbo and an Ikwerre. If Mr. Okala, the journalist/preacher stands beside Mr. Okala, the soccer goal keeper, nobody could tell who Ikwerre is and who Igbo is. On the other hand one could tell who is Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa if three people are standing together.

The reason for pushing the separation of Ikwerre from Igbo is based on short sighted leadership. Ikwerre people reap the benefits of being Igbo without the responsibility such membership demands. When the president counts his appointments he would usually count Mr. Rotimi Amaechi as Igbo. When the Ijaw or Ogoni people name the governors of Rivers State they include Mr. Amaechi and Mr. Wike as Igbo governors. And this is proper because they win their elections with the support of mainland Igbo in Rivers state.

My Ikwerre brethren must understand the risk in the dangerous game being played. The most important group of Nigerians they must convince to accept Ikwerre as an ethnic group distinct from Igbo is the Igbo. They are better off not winning this fight. So should push only so far.

The day they succeed in convincing the Igbo that they are not Igbo, it will open a variety of opportunities most of which will be to the detriment of Ikwerre people.

Ikwerre population in Rivers State is about 1 million. Mainland Igbo living in Rivers State is equal to or more than the total population of Ikwerre. They could form other alliances such as with both Ijaw and Ogoni and other ethnic units not as hostile to mainland Igbo as Ikwerre is trying to become. We know what happens when two married old friends divorce: former friends become current enemies and try to destroy each other. It could happen when Ikwerre divorces Igbo.

The mainland Igbo have the economic resources to take over PH when allied to other PH residents not Ikwerre or could just abandon Ikwerre people to their faith among their usually not friendly neighbors.

History does not record any people conquering the Igbo just as it does not record the Igbo conquering any other ethnic groups. They have lived their lives in peace with all their neighbors from time immemorial and still do even now. But that does not mean that they cannot be provoked to fight. There is an Igbo song that goes like this:

Onye akpana agu aka n’odu

Ma O di ndu

Ma O nwuru anwu

Translated it is a warning not to provoke a lion to a fight at all costs. The unsaid implication is that the fight would end badly for the provocateur.

Ikwerre people ought to understand that they could be Ikwerre and Igbo at the same time. Just as Imo, Enugu, Anambra, etc., people are both Igbo and Wawa, Ijekebee, etc. people. It need not be mutually exclusive.

My two pennies advise.

Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba

Boston, Massachusetts

May 7, 2018

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On May 14, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Dan Obi <daku...@icloud.com> wrote:

 What Chukwuemeka Okala did with telling us his children’s names was give us the English translations of those two names - Ngozi ( Blessing) and Amara ( Grace).

Dan

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On May 8, 2018, at 2:25 AM, Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"...Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary."  -  Nebukadineze Adiele

Comment:

"My dear friend Ayo,

The name Chinumezi has got NOTHING to do with Igbo. It's purely Ikwerre name. And I can say without fear of contradiction that Nebukadineze Adiele does not know the meaning of Chinumezi. Believe me, no Igbo discussant on these fora knows the meaning. Ozodi Osuji hazarded the meaning in Igbo Language but failed woefully. It WILL take Nebukadineze Adiele to put a call to his Ikwerre cousins in Nigeria for him to know the meaning. Take it or leave it."  -  By Emeka Reuben Okala

And there you have it! (Apologies Prof. Bolaji Aluko).

Emeka Reuben Okala

London, UK

"Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God."

On Tuesday, 8 May 2018, 06:40:14 BST, 'Nebukadineze Adiele' via Corporate Nigeria <corporat...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Polygamist Ayo,

You are entitled to your simplistic interpretation, but the point I made was that Chinumezi is an Igbo name, despite Okala's dishonesty to the contrary. I don't care what Okala calls himself, I know that Ikwere is Igbo and that he married an Igbo woman from Ogba, Rivers state. Whenever Okala's delusions of grandeur wears off, he will be ashamed for having made himself a jack ass through his years of lying over this matter.  

Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.

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Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 1:01 am
Subject: Re: [TalkNigeria] An Open Letter To My Ikwerre Brethren

Bantu Nebu,

What you are saying is that Emeka, the Ikwerre man, has an Igbo child called Chinumezi, is that so? Just as Nnamdi Azikwe had a Yoruba son called Bamidele?

Ayo Ojutalayo

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• ......God has given me four lovely children and they are in the following order, Niki, Blessing, Grace and Chinumezi. Please tell me which one of the above is Igbo? Absolutely none! So, why do you lie? (
  Emeka Reuben Okala).
  
  

The obvious liar here is Emeka Reuben Okala because there is no sane and honest Nigerian on these forums who would not identify Chinumezi as an Igbo name. Your depraved indifference to facts, with respect to your denial of Ikwere's Igboness, is becoming a mental health malady. How you could brazenly assert that that Chinumezi is not an Igbo name shows clearly that your rationality, over this specific matter, is now doubtful. 

My regret is the attitude of most Igbos over this matter. It is shameful that some Igbo's either do not give a damn about this matter or they have stupidly bought into the false narrative -- that we are trying to force some Ikwere into being Igbo. An example of what I am talking about is Ozodinobi Osuji's cowardice in abandoning this subject matter once you called him a liar, even though he was not the liar, you are. 

Osuji was supposed to take you to school, but he bailed out, as if it is none of his business. This attitude was why Igbos were successfully massacred in 1966 by Nigerians. When the killing started in Ibadan, "detribalized" dumb Igbo officers, instead of fighting back, ran away to take care of themselves individually or to invoke their Awusa friends. Had they fought back, the killings would not have been as wide spread as they turned out and Nigerian history would not have followed the trajectory of a civil war. Above all, either Eastern Nigeria or a Republic of Biafra would be standing today. 

If I were Ironsi, there was no way that I was following Danjuma and his fellow murderous thugs out of that building in compliance to their mutiny -- all of us (including Danjuma and his fellow killers) would have perished in that building by my detonating grenades. That would have sent the message to Awusa that Igbo was not going to stand idle and take it. 

Osuji was correct that Chinumezi is an Igbo name but once the lying Okala 'opened eyes' on him, he buckled -- as did Igbo officers in Ibadan on July 29, 1966 -- instead of finishing off Okala. The same shameful behavior goes on everyday here, for these Igbos don't want to be called "Inyanmiri", "Igbo tribalists", etc by dishonest Nigerians who, through Okala's madness, are displaying their tribalism and Igbophobia. 

Tufiakwa!

Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.

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Sent: Mon, May 7, 2018 11:31 pm

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Chinumezi sounds Igbo to me. Chi in igbo is God, nu is hear, mezi means what is good? I am not an expert on Igbo, but have a hunch that the name means, God please hear what is good for me or God please do what is good for me? I am done with this subject. Good luck. Ozodiobi

On Mon, May 7, 2018, 6:57 PM Chukwuemeka Okala <reu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"Although I would rather not get enmeshed in this unending argument, I recall seeing a picture of you and your family members at Facebook with their names, Igbo names given your new ikwerre orthography. Tell us their names. An honest person has nothing to hide. Cheers, ozodiobi"   - By Ozodiobi Osuji

Comment:

As a matter of principle, I strictly keep my lovely family from the inferno of cyber debate. But because I'm dealing with a world of gullible human beings who may swallow your lies hook, line and sinker without verification, I'm, on this one-off occasion, constrained to make an exception to this principle - just to shame the devil.

Ozodi Osuji, God has given me four lovely children and they are in the following order, Niki, Blessing, Grace and Chinumezi.

Please tell me which one of the above is Igbo? Absolutely none! So, why do you lie? Lord have mercy!

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