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Am i the only one who is wondering how after spending over $100 Billion over the last 4 president and 18 years Nigeria can only still generate less than 3000 Megawatts of Electricity for the entire country. And that an oil producing country doesn't see the need to dedicated a refinery to produce diesel and gas for its power generation.

WTF, who are these idiots running this country?

Power generation for Toronto and its surrounding suburbs is approximately 30000 ( I repeat 30000) Megawatts not to talk about what is generated to power mega cities like York or London or Shanghai and their surburbs; how can we trust a government so inept and corrupt that it can't or refuses to address a subject matter (in this case power generation) we all acknowledge as the next major engine for change and transformation of the country and continent with the esblishment and disbursing of a diaspora bond?

This is beyond annoying...

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I feel you bro. 

Just for record purposes though:
1) I don't believe Nigeria has spent $100 billion on power over the past 18 years. The largest annual federal budget Nigeria has ever passed in NASS was the equivalent of $20 billion. Recurrent expenditure is normally circa 70%!

2) The gas used by power GENCOS doesn't necessarily have to come from refineries. It can be produced as associated gas ( with crude oil), or non associated gas direct from gas fields. Then the liquids are stripped from the gas and the lean gas is used to generate electricity. 

3) Historically gas prices had been so low in Nigeria that it was cheaper to flare associated gas ( and pay the fine) or plug and cap non associated gas discoveries. Government has finally moved the prices to something economical. There are now investors investing in gas development in Nigeria. 

4) The problem is that from final Investment decision to first gas takes time. Secondly the gas has to be transported from gas fields to generating plants through pipelines ! And the pipelines are being breached regularly

5) The socioeconomic impact of (3) is that if you increase gas price to GENCOS then the electricity price supplied to DISCOS has to go up which means the tariff paid by you and I has to go up BEFORE we even see any improvement in power supply!

That my brother is the price we have to pay rudderless leadership. No power plants were built in Nigeria from 1984 to 1999! And when OBJ faced the issue greed and corruption did not allow him to do the needful 

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Joe

Your last sentence makes my point - Nigeria and Nigerian will be better off as a whole today and in the future if the power generation issue is tackled, but as you said it is being held back by the greed of a number of stakeholders. Where there is a will there is a way, if natural gas was/is cheaper (and is that much cheaper than petrol/diesel) won't it make sense to invest in power plant that use that abundant cheap resource our country has be burning off for the last 60 years? Find a way to subsidize and guarantee investment profits, set up a series of timed payouts to the investors over an agreed upon timeline,  please lets stop making excuses and call a spade a spade power generation will make money for whoever invests in it, just look at how people invest in providing power for themselves and their business can you imagine the $billions being spent on generators and diesel yearly so individual households can have power. The issue here is about will and reaching a decision to stem out corruption the that sector of governance.

Also can you fault the delta guys for blowing up the pipes, when Deziani or whatever her name is can be steal $ billion (no accountibility built into the system), $ billions is spent to build, maintain and expand Abuja and Lagos and their communties are rife with oil spills, desease, forest and river fires and the Nigerian leaders say nothing but give themselves huge salaries and lavish official quarters, cars and servants?

This issue can be address it doesn't take 18 yrs to just build 3000 megawatt, haba?

I personally know of a technology that is scalable and can add anywhere from 50 to 1M megawatts within a period of 6 - 18 months, the key word is scalable!
 
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Anthony Momah:

Your last sentence fascinates me:  what is this  "scalable technology" that you know  that  "can add anywhere from 50 to 1M megawatts within a period of 6 - 18 months" to our energy grid - and at what cost per Megawatt?

I know of seven primary energy sources:

S/N..Source..........Nat'1 Mix (MW)..Technology..........Cost $/MW............Total Nat'l Cost ($).......Commitment/Yr ($)
1.  Hydro.................???...................???.......................???.............................???......................???
2.  Oil......................???...................???.......................???............................???......................???
3.  Gas....................???...................???.......................???............................???......................???
4.  Coal...................???...................???.......................???............................???......................???
5.  Solar..................???...................???.......................???............................???......................???
5.  Wind..................???...................???.......................???............................???......................???
6.  Biomass............???...................???.......................???.............................???......................???
7.  Nuclear...............???...................???.......................???............................???......................???
______________________________________________________________________________________
.....TOTAL...........20-60,000 MW...................................???............................???......................???
_______________________________________________________________________________________


Ultimately, as a nation, we must construct an Energy Mix, Technology and Cost Table as I have set out above, and determine how to fund the 20,000 - 60,000  MW municipal electric power deficit that we have in the country - and I am talking about both public and private funding, from both domestic and international sources.

Kindly educate us.



Bolaji Aluko


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Joe

Your last sentence makes my point - Nigeria and Nigerian will be better off as a whole today and in the future if the power generation issue is tackled, but as you said it is being held back by the greed of a number of stakeholders. Where there is a will there is a way, if natural gas was/is cheaper (and is that much cheaper than petrol/diesel) won't it make sense to invest in power plant that use that abundant cheap resource our country has be burning off for the last 60 years? Find a way to subsidize and guarantee investment profits, set up a series of timed payouts to the investors over an agreed upon timeline,  please lets stop making excuses and call a spade a spade power generation will make money for whoever invests in it, just look at how people invest in providing power for themselves and their business can you imagine the $billions being spent on generators and diesel yearly so individual households can have power. The issue here is about will and reaching a decision to stem out corruption the that sector of governance.

Also can you fault the delta guys for blowing up the pipes, when Deziani or whatever her name is can be steal $ billion (no accountibility built into the system), $ billions is spent to build, maintain and expand Abuja and Lagos and their communties are rife with oil spills, desease, forest and river fires and the Nigerian leaders say nothing but give themselves huge salaries and lavish official quarters, cars and servants?

This issue can be address it doesn't take 18 yrs to just build 3000 megawatt, haba?

I personally know of a technology that is scalable and can add anywhere from 50 to 1M megawatts within a period of 6 - 18 months, the key word is scalable!
 
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Anthony 
I feel you bro. 

Just for record purposes though:
1) I don't believe Nigeria has spent $100 billion on power over the past 18 years. The largest annual federal budget Nigeria has ever passed in NASS was the equivalent of $20 billion. Recurrent expenditure is normally circa 70%!

2) The gas used by power GENCOS doesn't necessarily have to come from refineries. It can be produced as associated gas ( with crude oil), or non associated gas direct from gas fields. Then the liquids are stripped from the gas and the lean gas is used to generate electricity. 

3) Historically gas prices had been so low in Nigeria that it was cheaper to flare associated gas ( and pay the fine) or plug and cap non associated gas discoveries. Government has finally moved the prices to something economical. There are now investors investing in gas development in Nigeria. 

4) The problem is that from final Investment decision to first gas takes time. Secondly the gas has to be transported from gas fields to generating plants through pipelines ! And the pipelines are being breached regularly

5) The socioeconomic impact of (3) is that if you increase gas price to GENCOS then the electricity price supplied to DISCOS has to go up which means the tariff paid by you and I has to go up BEFORE we even see any improvement in power supply!

That my brother is the price we have to pay rudderless leadership. No power plants were built in Nigeria from 1984 to 1999! And when OBJ faced the issue greed and corruption did not allow him to do the needful 

Joe

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On 20 Jan 2017, at 13:45, 'Anthony Momah' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Am i the only one who is wondering how after spending over $100 Billion over the last 4 president and 18 years Nigeria can only still generate less than 3000 Megawatts of Electricity for the entire country. And that an oil producing country doesn't see the need to dedicated a refinery to produce diesel and gas for its power generation.

WTF, who are these idiots running this country?

Power generation for Toronto and its surrounding suburbs is approximately 30000 ( I repeat 30000) Megawatts not to talk about what is generated to power mega cities like York or London or Shanghai and their surburbs; how can we trust a government so inept and corrupt that it can't or refuses to address a subject matter (in this case power generation) we all acknowledge as the next major engine for change and transformation of the country and continent with the esblishment and disbursing of a diaspora bond?

This is beyond annoying...

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Ultimately, as a nation, we must construct an Energy Mix, Technology and Cost Table as I have set out above, and determine how to fund the 20,000 - 60,000  MW municipal electric power deficit that we have in the country - and I am talking about both public and private funding, from both domestic and international sources.

That Prof Aluko is the Crux of the matter. 

1. Given the limitations and other demands on it, there is limited availability of public funding available for funding circa 45,000 MW of power in Nigeria 

2. Which means the bulk of the funding has to come from private funding--domestic and international. 

Are we as a people willing to pay the price required to bring private funding into the power sector? I don't believe so. And that is the conundrum a regime that came to power on populist promises has found itself 

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Joe Attueyi:

Yes, we need billions of dollars of private investment (domestic and international (including possibly a Diaspora Power Project Bond issuance)), but we cannot abandon public funding of such a critical component of national development. For example, between 2001 and 2010, we must have budgeted almost N1 trillion in capital expenditure on power:

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Clearly, what corruption did not suck from these public expenditures, INEFFICIENT deployment by unqualified personnel (working with private contractors) might have caused us this high cost of darkness.

So we must combat corruption in these expenditures, and ensure that the most qualified public officials exercise control in working with the private contractors to deploy in a liberalized, deregulated sector, while creating the right investment and forex environment for international investment.



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Anthony 
I feel you bro. 

Just for record purposes though:
1) I don't believe Nigeria has spent $100 billion on power over the past 18 years. The largest annual federal budget Nigeria has ever passed in NASS was the equivalent of $20 billion. Recurrent expenditure is normally circa 70%!

2) The gas used by power GENCOS doesn't necessarily have to come from refineries. It can be produced as associated gas ( with crude oil), or non associated gas direct from gas fields. Then the liquids are stripped from the gas and the lean gas is used to generate electricity. 

3) Historically gas prices had been so low in Nigeria that it was cheaper to flare associated gas ( and pay the fine) or plug and cap non associated gas discoveries. Government has finally moved the prices to something economical. There are now investors investing in gas development in Nigeria. 

4) The problem is that from final Investment decision to first gas takes time. Secondly the gas has to be transported from gas fields to generating plants through pipelines ! And the pipelines are being breached regularly

5) The socioeconomic impact of (3) is that if you increase gas price to GENCOS then the electricity price supplied to DISCOS has to go up which means the tariff paid by you and I has to go up BEFORE we even see any improvement in power supply!

That my brother is the price we have to pay rudderless leadership. No power plants were built in Nigeria from 1984 to 1999! And when OBJ faced the issue greed and corruption did not allow him to do the needful 

Joe

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On 20 Jan 2017, at 13:45, 'Anthony Momah' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Am i the only one who is wondering how after spending over $100 Billion over the last 4 president and 18 years Nigeria can only still generate less than 3000 Megawatts of Electricity for the entire country. And that an oil producing country doesn't see the need to dedicated a refinery to produce diesel and gas for its power generation.

WTF, who are these idiots running this country?

Power generation for Toronto and its surrounding suburbs is approximately 30000 ( I repeat 30000) Megawatts not to talk about what is generated to power mega cities like York or London or Shanghai and their surburbs; how can we trust a government so inept and corrupt that it can't or refuses to address a subject matter (in this case power generation) we all acknowledge as the next major engine for change and transformation of the country and continent with the esblishment and disbursing of a diaspora bond?

This is beyond annoying...

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For example, between 2001 and 2010, we must have budgeted almost N1 trillion in capital expenditure on power
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Question:
So where did this money go or did to improve capital expenditures?

Another evidence of BAD Governance by all the administrations combined, except for that of JONA that grew jobs and created a BOOM economy that most "educated morons" confused for MASSIVE corruptions! Same confusion took place under Shagari regime, Shagari created a BOOM economy to uplift the masses in due time, but the elites colluded with military vagabonds to destroy the 2nd REPUBLIC under Shagari setting the country back 30 years and the results we are living today, thank you Buhari and IBB.

Bring back JONA! Or a new breed of politicians to give the people GOOD Governance enough of BAD GOVERNANCE under the leadership of a Tyrant, a herdsman, a Boko Haram lover, and slaughterer of baboons and dogs, the one and only self proclaimed DEBTOR, Buhari.

Has Buhari paid his damn debt since 1999 he used in filing his presidential applications with INEC? Where did he get the money from assuming he has paid? Buhari is a thief, any doubt! Heck no! Once an OLE man always an ole man!!!

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Joe Attueyi:

By the way, here is a table of information on expenditure on power from 1999 to 2015 (rather than 2001 to 2010 given earlier) given by former Power Ministry Perm Sec Igali.  I have also included the Vanguard article entitled "Power: Obasanjo, Yar’Adua, Jonathan spent N2.74trn in 16 years" at the end of my discussion.

We can safely say that we spent anywhere from N1 trillion to N2.5 trillion on power between 1999 to 2017, to move our municipal power from 1,750 to 5,000 MW total capacity.

Expenditures on Power in Nigeria (Igali)

Year

 Appropriated

(Billion Naira)

 Released

(Billion Naira)

% Released

1999

 11.206

6.698

59.8

2000

 59.064

49.785

84.3

2001

 103.397

70.927

68.6

2002

 54.647

41.196

75.4

2003

 55.583

52.07

93.7

2004

 54.647

54.647

100.0

2005

 90.283

71.889

79.6

2006

 74.308

74.3

100.0

2007

 100

99.8

99.8

2008

 156

112

71.8

2009

 89.5

87

97.2

2010

 172

70

40.7

2011

 125

61

48.8

2012

 197.9

53.5

27.0

2013

146

49

33.6

2014

 69.8

48

 68.8

2015

 5.240

0

  0

 

1,564.575

1,001.812

64.0

 


Just to fulfil all righteousness, so that figures of public expenditure on power can be in the correct ballpark...

Bottom line?  We MUST fill the following table to move forward:


Table to Calculate the Power Cost Need of Nigeria

 

S/N

Source

National

Energy Mix (MW)

Technology

Unit Cost $/MW

Total Nat'l Cost

Commitment/Yr ($)

 

Public Funding/Yr ($)

Private Funding/Yr ($)

1

Oil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

Gas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

Coal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4

Hydro

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

Solar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6

Wind

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7

Biomass

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

Geothermal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9

Nuclear

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TOTAL

20-60,000

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


And there you have it.


Bolaji Aluko


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Joe Attueyi:

Yes, we need billions of dollars of private investment (domestic and international (including possibly a Diaspora Power Project Bond issuance)), but we cannot abandon public funding of such a critical component of national development. For example, between 2001 and 2010, we must have budgeted almost N1 trillion in capital expenditure on power:

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Clearly, what corruption did not suck from these public expenditures, INEFFICIENT deployment by unqualified personnel (working with private contractors) might have caused us this high cost of darkness.

So we must combat corruption in these expenditures, and ensure that the most qualified public officials exercise control in working with the private contractors to deploy in a liberalized, deregulated sector, while creating the right investment and forex environment for international investment.



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Power: Obasanjo, Yar’Adua, Jonathan spent N2.74trn in 16 years

ABUJA—THE Senate was told, yesterday, that the Federal Government has invested a N2.74 trillion in Nigeria’s power sector over the last 16 years (1999 to date).

The investments were made during the regimes of former President Olusegun Obasanjo; his successor, late President Umaru Yar’Adua, and President Goodluck Jonathan.

The Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Power, Ambassador Godknows Igali, and the Managing Director, Niger Delta Power Holding Company, NDPHC, Mr. James Olotu, disclosed this before a Senate Ad-hoc Committee probing the power sector from 1999 till date.

Furthermore, Olotu revealed that contrary to popular belief, the National Integrated Power Projects, NIPPs, which gulped about $8.23 billion or N1.64 trillion were actually being funded from the Excess Crude Account, rather than from ministerial provisions.

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Jonathan, Yardadua and Obasanjo

Power in military era

Speaking further, Ambassador Igali told the Senate that former military Heads of state, who ruled the country from the overthrow of former President Shehu Shagari, up to 1999, when democracy was reinstituted, crippled the power sector.

According to Igali, this is because the successive regimes not only failed to recruit the relevant engineers for 19 years, but also failed to invest in the power sector during their reigns.

He disclosed that out of the 79 power generation units, only 19 were functioning at that time, adding that no new power plant was constructed from 1991 to 1999.

He recalled that the last plant, Shiroro was built in 1991, long before the emergence of Obasanjo as president in 1999, adding that consequently, the power sector depreciated rapidly due to lack of consistent investment and funding until Obasanjo began the power reforms.

Democracy brought improvement

Igali said further: “When democracy came, the government inherited the sector that had not made capital investment for a long time and not a single engineer was recruited in 19 years. Despite the effort at investment by government, we have not been able to invest in a consistent manner in the power sector.

“Investment from government and the private sector must go up gradually but consistently, as fluctuation will not help our economic development. I do know that despite government’s effort at funding the power sector, the nation continues to experience epileptic power supply. However, it takes time to stabilise.”

He equally recalled that when Obasanjo came to power in 1999, electricity generation capacity was a mere 1,750 MW, noting that in view of the volume of investment required, the Ministry had to bring in the private sector which resulted into a reasonable improvement from what it used to be.

Funds appropriation

Igali further disclosed that despite the sector’s need, budgetary votes were seldom released fully, noting that the country cannot realise the full benefit of any investment in power unless the value chain elements – generation, transmission and distribution were also revamped.

He gave a breakdown of the appropriation and money released from 1999 to 2015 as follows:

*1999 – N11.206 billion appropriated, N6.698billion released;

*2000 – N59.064billion appropriated, N49,785 billion released;

*2001 – N103. 397 billion appropriated, N70.927 billion released;

*2002 – N54.647billion appropriated, N41.196 billion released;

*2003 – N55.583billion appropriated, N5.207billion released;

*2004 – N54.647billion appropriated, N54. 647billion released;

*2005 – N90.283 billion appropriated, N71.889 billion released;

*2006 – N74.308 billion appropriated, N74. 3 billion released;

*2007 – N100 billion appropriated, N99.8 billion released;

*2008 – N156 billion appropriated, N112 billion released;

*2009 – N89. 5 billion appropriated, N87billion released;

*2010 – N172 billion appropriated, N70 billion released;

*2011 – N125 billion appropriated, N61 billion released;

*2012 – N197. 9 billion appropriated, N53. 5billion released;

*2013- N146 billion appropriated, N49 billion released;

l2014 – N69.8 billion appropriated, N48 billion released; and,

*2015 – N5. 240billion appropriated, no money released yet.

However, he said that it was only in 2009 that the power sector witnessed a full appropriation, adding that the annual net funding shortfall ranged from 22 per cent to 67 per cent.

Intervention funds

According to Igali, about N155 billion intervention fund was released to the Ministry for the Multi-Year Tariff Order, MYTO, to cushion the effects of the shortfalls in expenditure for the power sector between 2009 and 2013.

The funds were given for a period of five years. A breakdown of the interventions funds are as follows:

*2009 – N30.8 billion;

*2010 -N43.2 billion;

*2011 – N37.0 billion;

*2012 – N11.5 billion; and,

*2013 – N32.6 billion.

Outstanding labour issues

Speaking on the defunct National Electric Power Authority, NEPA, the Permanent Secretary, who noted that every aspect of power has been sold, except for the transmission units, said that about 2,000 workers were yet to be paid off.

He noted that many who claimed to be staff of NEPA do not have valid documents, adding that parts of the proceeds from the privatisation exercise were used to settle labour claims of over 46,000 workers by the Bureau of Public Enterprises, BPE.

He said the payments were made through the office of the Accountant General of the Federation and the National Pensions Commission.

Electricity operations

Speaking on the high cost of operations in the power sector, Igali who noted that a healthy infrastructure expansion programme required continual investment, said that about “60% – 70% is the typical utility debt to equity profile. Infrastructure projects should be fully funded over a three-year budget cycle.

“Typical Capital Cost (based on a 200:1 Naira/USD exchange rate), Gas processing plant N30 – N40 billion; each Gas pipeline N12 million per inch per km; Generation N200 million per MW; Double circuit 330 kV transmission line: N85million per km; Double circuit 132 kV transmission line N80million per km; Transmission transformer N16 million per MVA; Single circuit 33 kV distribution line N6.5million per km; Single circuit 11 kV distribution line: N6million per km; and Distribution transformer N2.5million – N6 million each.”

No witch-hunting

Earlier, the Chairman of the Committee, Senator Abubakar Kyari, APC, Borno North, insisted that the exercise was not to witch-hunt anybody, but a fact finding one in the interest of Nigeria.

Expected to appear before the Committee today are the Nigerian Electricity Regulatory Commission, NERC; Bureau of Public Enterprises; BPE; Power Generating Companies, GENCOs and Power Distributing Companies, DISCOs.

It would be recalled that Senate President Bukola Saraki, had last month announced a 13-man ad-hoc Committee to carry out a holistic investigation into the management of funds appropriated to the power sector from the Olusegun Obasanjo civilian administration to date.

Senator Saraki had urged members of the committee to consider their reputation and integrity and come up with a report that would be acceptable to Nigerians. He lamented that a lot of money had been spent on the sector with no results, while Nigeria is still faced with the challenge of power supply.

The committee was also saddled with the responsibility of looking into irregularities in the unbundling of the Power Holding Company of Nigeria, PHCN and to inadvertently probe how the Obasanjo, Umaru Yar‘adua and Jonathan administrations managed funds allocated to the sector.

It was charged with the task of looking into the entire power value chain including generation, transmission and distribution with a view to identifying what the problems in the sector are.

Saraki who noted at the inauguration of the committee three weeks ago that the task before the panel is huge, had however frowned at the continued absence of regular supply of electricity despite the country’s huge investments in the sector.

Kyari, in his remarks during the inauguration detailed the nature of the investigation his committee is saddled with,saying, “ to have a close look at the entire power value chain (generation, transmission and distribution) calls for review of our policies in order to obtain optimum performances across the board.




On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 1:46 PM, 'Joe Attueyi' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Ultimately, as a nation, we must construct an Energy Mix, Technology and Cost Table as I have set out above, and determine how to fund the 20,000 - 60,000  MW municipal electric power deficit that we have in the country - and I am talking about both public and private funding, from both domestic and international sources.

That Prof Aluko is the Crux of the matter. 

1. Given the limitations and other demands on it, there is limited availability of public funding available for funding circa 45,000 MW of power in Nigeria 

2. Which means the bulk of the funding has to come from private funding--domestic and international. 

Are we as a people willing to pay the price required to bring private funding into the power sector? I don't believe so. And that is the conundrum a regime that came to power on populist promises has found itself 

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One of the problems with Nigerians is ignorance and lack of education. Chief Awolowo called them educated illiterates and I agree with him. That a Nigerian believes that $100 Billion USD was spent on power alone is mind boggling. This is why they steal and rob that country blind. They all live in an exaggerated lifestyle and think it is real. 

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There are demonstrable ways to solve this problem of power if we have the right personnel in charge. Today Nigerians waste energy, when it is available, because they don't really pay much for it. In the USA people are conditioned to turn and off power as they are needed. If you walk into a room you turn on the power in that room and as you exit you turn it off. It is a way to save on energy cost and also provide the energy companies enough to go around. I propose that private investors be brought in and let the free market take charge.


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I propose that private investors be brought in and let the free market take charge.

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This is one of the conundrums we face. 

To bring in private investors you have to make the tariffs market determined ( a/k/a increased prices) BEFORE the investments are made and consumers see increased power supply. Nigerians don't like paying for electricity talk less of paying more for less!

A government that came in on populist promises --most unrealistic-- is paralysed on how to square that circle

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Reaction: Bullshit!

Calm Response: Where is it written as presented above that "To bring in private investors you have to make the tariffs market determined ( a/k/a increased prices) BEFORE the investments are made ..." [boldface for emphasis]

What is the tariffs market? (If NOT Joe Attueyi making stuff up to display his ignorance on investments). Or better yet, give us one example of "tariffs market"? [let me assure this audience that you CANNOT give one such example, because none exist, prove me wrong!]

Joe Attueyi, you know NOTHING about "investments" or growing the economy, seriously, you, Joe Attueyi Don't know shit about investments, you know "something" about NNPC and the oil industry that is it! Period! 

I am really NOT being jovial or kidding, Joe Attueyi knows nothing about INVESTMENTS. Don't believe me let him answer my questions to demonstrate or PROVE me wrong or that he knows investments. 

Here are the TECHNICAL economic questions for WANNABE "economist": 
What is the tariffs market? Or better yet give one example of "tariffs market"? 

Stay tuned for more idiots disseminating GARBAGE (fake news) in the fora. 

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Money by itself, is counterproductive without the enabling environment and people to make it work.
But the key ingredient is appropriately trained and oriented people.

Nigerian archives are full of some of the best plans (on paper) in the world, with a common flaw: narrow and incomplete terrain assessment. But today, Nigeria's poverty is three-formed, and they are people-centered. The poverty types are centered around religion, miss-education (which they call education) and the resultant tunnel thinking, and geographic (which they still primitively call tribal) nationalism.

Three things business always requires, in the face of a clearly identified towering market potential, are:
1. Personnel
2. Enabling policy and process environments
3. Support systems.

In Nigeria, none of this is available. On the other hand, even the key item of personnel is quickly morphed into the key tool for stealing and looting without any compunction at all. That is why, when you see something that has proven itself, or an idea that shows promise, the first thing you hear from Nigerians is: "it will not work here" or "it doesn't work like that here."

This is partially because Nigerians like to talk about, and get the money, thinking that the main work is the process for getting the money, not the delivery of the promise to reality.

But then there was a time when a certain kind of behavior was common (smoking for example), and education (not the classroom euro-centric miss-educaton type) and the enabling environments were developed, delivered and monitored, with many changing that behavior.

Until these three areas are thoroughly cleared out (unlike some, who like to think delivering a poorly developed idea or item, and then modifying as you go, will work), money will be counterproductive, as it will only encourage a resistance to thinking (killing innovation and critical thinking), devalue values, and encourage looting.

Nigeria's energy policies and laws are a concatenation of half thought out concepts and mechanisms that end up destroying the originating intention and exacerbating the need. For example, the current transmission and distribution policies and systems discourage any form of production increase, because they deliberately create a bottleneck that will exclude them and make their distribution prohibitive. 

It is already known that the grid system and the generation systems as they are, have been the key avenues and tools for looting and systems degeneration. Then, we want to put another set of tens of billions of dollars into a situation that is structured to actually be a black hole in all its effects.

The unitarist approach to everything has not only clearly generated shallow thinking patterns, it has created unprecedented bottlenecks that have entrenched and empowered extremely corrupt mismanagement systems and people. 
The current grid policy presently suppresses the development of mini and micro-grids that can then be later linked to enhance distribution of surplus generated power. Currently, there is actually no place where local demand has even come close to any semblance of being fulfilled. Then there is the issue of encouraging a new terminology in our rapidly developing corruption business, the: "corruption of scale." What is the need for going from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, trying to gain by crook, when you can do it all from one central point with less effort expenditure?

For example, when a small plant (2-20 megawatts) business located in a Kano local government area generates power to distribute in that local government in Kano, for example, (the unitary centralists will tell you it's too expensive) where it can be profitable, the power does not have to go through Lagos or Maiduguri to get to Kano. Thus localities should consider their own needs first, and attract the development from leveraging private sector involvement (local and diaspora) to fill their needs. Let the local generation, transmission, distribution and marketing energies work out and fill their own needs first, and then they can think about coalescing in certain ways, based on identified needs.

However, Nigerians, especially the so-called professionals (with their heads up the anus of western systems that had been developed and morphed over decades to get to their current status) are trying to answer questions that should not concern us until we get there (you don't start trying to worry about getting ballot papers until you are eighteen years old). 

A "national" grid takes a long time to develop (based on expanding demand and expanding distribution of generating capacity) and is expensive to develop and maintain. But we want to have a grid for poorly managed, relatively small numbers of widely distributed medium level generating systems. No matter the intention of those who may be in charge, without the three ingredients in place and working well, it cannot work. It will only deepen corruption and encourage stealing.

Then we have people who would be better as technicians leading the development, establishment and management of large systems that require visionary and integrated sectors thinking. The same way a doctor does not a good hospital manager make, is the same way an engineer, does not a full electric power management sector make. Sector here is relative, in that a storefront, school, home or factory has its own power sector to manage, just as a local government, state or entire country would have theirs; it is only a matter of scale and specifics.

Then there is the issue of support systems. They want to pipe gas over hundreds of miles to some badly managed and run gas fired plants. They have not been able to manage protection of oil pipelines over shorter distances, yet they think security will not be a factor to consider. What is interesting is that they are creating severe economic, social and behavioral insecurity with all the poverty (especially desperate hopelessness) they are generating and then they expect that even the force of arms (whose finance they steal anyway) will stem the ongoing blow-back from the unrelenting poverty they create.

But the key thing is to let small geopolitical systems within the country determine their own social and economic destiny, and see the results in a shorter term. Behavior and adjustments will then be clearly located to their results. Then change or no change in Kano, will not be blamed on actions of people in Lagos or Maiduguri (who have no clue whatsoever, and don't care one way or another, what the people of the local government in Kano are experiencing) or vise-versa.

We need deeper and more critical thinking and planning before Nigeria can generate the kind of energy that will make Nigeria stronger, because the governments empower its citizens.

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I feel you bro. 

Just for record purposes though:
1) I don't believe Nigeria has spent $100 billion on power over the past 18 years. The largest annual federal budget Nigeria has ever passed in NASS was the equivalent of $20 billion. Recurrent expenditure is normally circa 70%!

2) The gas used by power GENCOS doesn't necessarily have to come from refineries. It can be produced as associated gas ( with crude oil), or non associated gas direct from gas fields. Then the liquids are stripped from the gas and the lean gas is used to generate electricity. 

3) Historically gas prices had been so low in Nigeria that it was cheaper to flare associated gas ( and pay the fine) or plug and cap non associated gas discoveries. Government has finally moved the prices to something economical. There are now investors investing in gas development in Nigeria. 

4) The problem is that from final Investment decision to first gas takes time. Secondly the gas has to be transported from gas fields to generating plants through pipelines ! And the pipelines are being breached regularly

5) The socioeconomic impact of (3) is that if you increase gas price to GENCOS then the electricity price supplied to DISCOS has to go up which means the tariff paid by you and I has to go up BEFORE we even see any improvement in power supply!

That my brother is the price we have to pay rudderless leadership. No power plants were built in Nigeria from 1984 to 1999! And when OBJ faced the issue greed and corruption did not allow him to do the needful 

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Am i the only one who is wondering how after spending over $100 Billion over the last 4 president and 18 years Nigeria can only still generate less than 3000 Megawatts of Electricity for the entire country. And that an oil producing country doesn't see the need to dedicated a refinery to produce diesel and gas for its power generation.

WTF, who are these idiots running this country?

Power generation for Toronto and its surrounding suburbs is approximately 30000 ( I repeat 30000) Megawatts not to talk about what is generated to power mega cities like York or London or Shanghai and their surburbs; how can we trust a government so inept and corrupt that it can't or refuses to address a subject matter (in this case power generation) we all acknowledge as the next major engine for change and transformation of the country and continent with the esblishment and disbursing of a diaspora bond?

This is beyond annoying...

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