The Table and Refs below show the list of countries [big, small or raggedy] that practice voting abroad. The Billion Dollar Question is: Why Not Nigeria? Besides, if the Nigerian Diaspora Community is so resourceful and able to be the target of Govt Bond, why is enfranchisement a problem?
Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting
There are various known cases (E.g. parliamentary and presidential elections in Ghana in 2008) where, despite there being some kind of constitutional or legal provisions making voting from abroad possible, it has not materialized due to the lack of the political, legislative, financial or administrative agreement required for it to be regulated or organized. This provides evidence of the increasing relevance of external voting on the political and electoral agenda in several regions of the world, as well as of the polemics involved in debates on its relevance and feasibility and the varied complexities of decision making.
Countries where external voting provisions exist but are still to be implemented
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“”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””
Joseph Mayton [From refugees to those on business overseas, all expats should have the chance to engage with their democracy at election time. A British citizen living overseas chats to a Conservatives Abroad worker registering voters for the 2010 general election in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: Jasper Juinen/Getty]
Theguardian - Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT First published on Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT
As someone who has voted while living outside my native country, I find it disconcerting that around 100 countries worldwide don’t allow their citizens this same right. Unsurprisingly, a vast majority of those that bar citizens from casting a ballot are developing countries, including Morocco, Egypt, Turkey, Armenia and Botswana. It needs to change.
It’s not difficult to see why some countries don’t allow citizens residing abroad to vote. Lebanon, for example, has some 12 million citizens living outside the country compared with only around 4 million inside – so in theory absentee voters could determine the outcome of any election. Meanwhile in Egypt, where one party has ruled for three decades, it’s widely believed that citizens living abroad would be less likely to support the status quo.
That aside, though, there is an important principle at stake: all citizens should have equal rights, regardless of where they happen to be at election time. Maria Gratschew, co-author of a handbook, Voting from Abroad, argues that “external voting is highly relevant to the many people who are travelling or working around the globe”. It is also pertinent, she writes, for “refugees and others who may be forced to live outside their country of origin due to political circumstances and who wish to participate in any democratic transition from authoritarian rule or violent conflict”.
A case in point is Sudan, where a referendum on north-south separation is due to be held next year. The question of external voting is extremely relevant, especially considering the UNCHR’s statistics of hundreds of thousands of southern Sudanese currently residing outside the country due to fears of violence if they return. By having a chance to vote, the refugees and those in exile would be able to play a direct role in the future of their native land.
Elsewhere, Turkey is in the middle of drafting new legislation that will allow any citizen living abroad to cast a vote. This follows a ruling by the European court of human rights ruled that forcing people to travel long distances to vote is a violation of the European convention on human rights. In today’s globalised world, where millions of people live outside their country of origin, it makes sense to allow them to vote from wherever they happen to be. Think of it this way. As a citizen of any of the 115 or so countries that allow people to vote from abroad, what would be your reaction if you weren’t given the opportunity to cast a ballot? It would be angering, frustrating and confusing. You would feel deprived of a say in your country’s future.
Mexico, Iraq and Mali are countries that have in the past few years allowed citizens living abroad to vote – and this highlights a further difficulty. It cost Mexico about $27m and the first Iraqi experience of external voting ended up costing about $92m, according to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. That’s a price that many countries simply cannot afford.
Giving citizens the opportunity to vote, wherever they may be living, can have positive results that go beyond participation in choosing their leaders. It results in more direct association and belief in their native country.
Here in Cairo, Egyptians living abroad have been demanding the chance to cast ballots, with those residing in the US being the most vocal. While they undoubtedly want a chance to vote against the ruling National Democratic party – which, for the past 30 years has shown an unwillingness to support its people politically, socially and economically – there is a caveat that must be heard, and one that transcends the Egyptian situation.
By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.
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The Table and Refs below show the list of countries [big, small or raggedy] that practice voting abroad. The Billion Dollar Question is: Why Not Nigeria? Besides, if the Nigerian Diaspora Community is so resourceful and able to be the target of Govt Bond, why is enfranchisement a problem?
In the apt words of Joseph Mayton, in his Guardian article: “”Voting abroad is every citizen's right”” [see full-text below], ”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””…….Unquote! Take care. JUI
Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting
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There are various known cases (E.g. parliamentary and presidential elections in Ghana in 2008) where, despite there being some kind of constitutional or legal provisions making voting from abroad possible, it has not materialized due to the lack of the political, legislative, financial or administrative agreement required for it to be regulated or organized. This provides evidence of the increasing relevance of external voting on the political and electoral agenda in several regions of the world, as well as of the polemics involved in debates on its relevance and feasibility and the varied complexities of decision making.
Countries where external voting provisions exist but are still to be implemented
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Voting abroad is every citizen's right
“”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””
Joseph Mayton [From refugees to those on business overseas, all expats should have the chance to engage with their democracy at election time. A British citizen living overseas chats to a Conservatives Abroad worker registering voters for the 2010 general election in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: Jasper Juinen/Getty]
Theguardian - Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT First published on Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT
As someone who has voted while living outside my native country, I find it disconcerting that around 100 countries worldwide don’t allow their citizens this same right. Unsurprisingly, a vast majority of those that bar citizens from casting a ballot are developing countries, including Morocco, Egypt, Turkey, Armenia and Botswana. It needs to change.
It’s not difficult to see why some countries don’t allow citizens residing abroad to vote. Lebanon, for example, has some 12 million citizens living outside the country compared with only around 4 million inside – so in theory absentee voters could determine the outcome of any election. Meanwhile in Egypt, where one party has ruled for three decades, it’s widely believed that citizens living abroad would be less likely to support the status quo.
That aside, though, there is an important principle at stake: all citizens should have equal rights, regardless of where they happen to be at election time. Maria Gratschew, co-author of a handbook, Voting from Abroad, argues that “external voting is highly relevant to the many people who are travelling or working around the globe”. It is also pertinent, she writes, for “refugees and others who may be forced to live outside their country of origin due to political circumstances and who wish to participate in any democratic transition from authoritarian rule or violent conflict”.
A case in point is Sudan, where a referendum on north-south separation is due to be held next year. The question of external voting is extremely relevant, especially considering the UNCHR’s statistics of hundreds of thousands of southern Sudanese currently residing outside the country due to fears of violence if they return. By having a chance to vote, the refugees and those in exile would be able to play a direct role in the future of their native land.
Elsewhere, Turkey is in the middle of drafting new legislation that will allow any citizen living abroad to cast a vote. This follows a ruling by the European court of human rights ruled that forcing people to travel long distances to vote is a violation of the European convention on human rights. In today’s globalised world, where millions of people live outside their country of origin, it makes sense to allow them to vote from wherever they happen to be. Think of it this way. As a citizen of any of the 115 or so countries that allow people to vote from abroad, what would be your reaction if you weren’t given the opportunity to cast a ballot? It would be angering, frustrating and confusing. You would feel deprived of a say in your country’s future.
Mexico, Iraq and Mali are countries that have in the past few years allowed citizens living abroad to vote – and this highlights a further difficulty. It cost Mexico about $27m and the first Iraqi experience of external voting ended up costing about $92m, according to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. That’s a price that many countries simply cannot afford.
Giving citizens the opportunity to vote, wherever they may be living, can have positive results that go beyond participation in choosing their leaders. It results in more direct association and belief in their native country.
Here in Cairo, Egyptians living abroad have been demanding the chance to cast ballots, with those residing in the US being the most vocal. While they undoubtedly want a chance to vote against the ruling National Democratic party – which, for the past 30 years has shown an unwillingness to support its people politically, socially and economically – there is a caveat that must be heard, and one that transcends the Egyptian situation.
By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.
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''''Diasporan Nigerians will be better placed to do all that you say we have not done if we are given a voting right and political participation. You appear not to know that any effort any group of Nigerian Diasporans try to make to suggest workable policies to ensure steady electricity or infrastructure development or any of the things you say we have failed to do whether through engaging government policy makers at the Federal, State or Local Government levels get frustrated by those in Nigeria who would rather remain in darkness than have a Nigerian diasporan successfully initiate and implement a policy for steady power supply or infrastructural development. ..............Nigerians in the Diaspora who long to make a difference do so and they are not sometimes even acknowledged even when the ideas are sometimes stolen and poorly tried. The best way for Nigerian Diasporans to make a difference is for them to be given voting rights and participation.....''''.........Unquote Dr MacDonald Mopho!
Joe Onuroah,You really like to get things mixed up, don't you?Diasporan Nigerians will be better placed to do all that you say we have not done if we are given a voting right and political participation.You appear not to know that any effort any group of Nigerian Diasporans try to make to suggest workable policies to ensure steady electricity or infrastructure development or any of the things you say we have failed to do whether through engaging government policy makers at the Federal, State or Local Government levels get frustrated by those in Nigeria who would rather remain in darkness than have a Nigerian diasporan successfully initiate and implement a policy for steady power supply or infrastructural development. Some Diasporans who went to Nigeria to work with the noble intention of making a difference returned back with stories of how they were carefully frustrated and forced out. I read some of them in these fora only last year.You probably have not made any effort either by sending policy recommendations based on direct experience of a Western nation senior management employment or senior executive training development to those you know in Government for the purpose of contributing to progress or you did not realise that Nigerians in the Diaspora who long to make a difference do so and they are not sometimes even acknowledged even when the ideas are sometimes stolen and poorly tried.The best way for Nigerian Diasporans to make a difference is for them to be given voting rights and participation as our brother Professor Joseph Igietseme is advocating.I have no doubt the voting right of Nigerian Diasporans will soon be given effect. We had Diaspora participation in the National Conference in 2014. Our voting and political participation to enable us have the power to make a difference is on the way.Thank youMacDonald I J MophoLondon UKSent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Joseph Onuorah nnam...@yahoo.com [NaijaPolitics]Sent: Friday, 13 January 2017 13:19To: naija...@googlegroups.com; edo_g...@yahoogroups.com; Raay...@yahoogroups.com; YanA...@yahoogroups.comReply To: NaijaP...@yahoogroups.comCc: naijaintellects@googlegroups.com; Joe Attueyi; Gregg Ukaegbu; NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com; naijao...@yahoogroups.com; African GM; OKONKWONETWORKS@googlegroups.com; FORUM IGBO WORLD FORUM IGBO WORLD; NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com; rot...@yahoo.com; Ike Agbor; MGAd...@aol.com; Vincent...@msn.com; A. Gml; TalkN...@yahoogroups.com; Nigerian ID; OduaSubject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?
Indeed. But let us look at the situation more broadly: we, the Diaspora Nigerians, have failed ourselves and our nation: all these years we refused to focus on initiatives that will Nigeria and Nigerians move in the right direction. Initiatives that would clear lots of huddles for us, make our transition easier, allow us to fully participate in the political processes, create enduring opportunities for us and everyone else. If we had done so, there possible would be better governance, steady electricity, good water supply, recognized participation in the political system, security, etc. Rather we focussed on individual acquisition of land, donating to projects, breaking of kola nuts, fighting each other here, and the likes. All things that do not help a society grow. Today, we are scared to spend but a few weeks in Nigeria for fear of getting sick (ever thought of how much improvement we could have made if we had worked with our counterparts to develop a good healthcare system? NOT going to medil mission!). We complain about the political system (ever thought of how better the process would have been if all these years we worked with our politicians to help them see the good in focusing on what benefits the society in general versus what benefits a few. NOT helping them hide public money they stole! NOT working with them to obtain government lands that most would not even live to in!
We complain about poor infrastructure. How many times have our agenda and discussions in all these diaspora conventions and similar gatherings dwelt on engaging our invited Nigerian dignitaries and showing them how such infrasture in USA, UK, France, etc were built by humans not God! And so on. By not doing the above, we have lost just as the country has lost. One has to build for one to enjoy later. We did not build Nigeria and thus Nigeria is not ready for us. Building mansions and owning lands, in poor and infested environment, amidst poverty, in unstable economy, is not building a society! Joe
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Gen Williams,
It appears some of us have essentially double-down on the broader significance of Voting Abroad; we've reduced it to mere tasks-dependent citizen-country responsibility and IGNORED the GREATER fundamental reasons for practicing voting abroad, including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad, democracy and patriotism promotion, and effective diplomatic or ambassadorial utility.
If you observe out there, collection of pittance from taxes is the last reason that industrialized nations and developing countries like Ghana, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea or Iraq are practicing Voting Abroad by non-resident citizens.
Take care. JUI
Citizens not only have rights but must also fulfill their responsibilities to the Country.In cases of Permanent (or long-term illegal) Residency/Dual Citizenship,there are deem to have dual responsibilities especially in case of living in a developed country like USA and in Europe and developing one like Nigeria.The tendency is to be more responsible in a developed country for well-known reasons.Are the remittances by individuals with the above status,a fulfillment of reponsibilities to the country or the extended families and communities?If the answer is yes,is that enough to earn voting rights?How do other millions without families abroad benefit from these remittances? We also know that many do not earn enough to remit a cent while others have not lost contact with friends and extended Families and they do not care.Those with Businesses in the country are in a separate entity.What about the costs of external voting? Who will pay when presently,INEC spends about 700million Naira for on average for each state Guber elections within the country?Will INEC need to send Commissioners abroad with staff or allow the Ambassador appointed by the party in power supervise the elections or remote Voting?It is obvious to all of us that the Parties who have the Resources will need forex for campaigns abroad or will their supporters abroad cover the costs and even sponsor candidates at home with their own contributions like US Super Pacs.It will be interesting to read the attached long essay because the next step is to ask for Representation at NASS.At the end of the day,what are extra benefits that we can get from Non-Resident voting and Representation as already there is Mr Gbajabiamila who can be said to be a Non-Resident Representative.iw for shaking for voting with responsibility to country and community through 2% tax on remittances.Ishola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)E-mail: isholaw...@yahoo.com
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Good morning everyone this is something to ligten the mood. https://youtu.be/72PUAQZPoHY Sometimes we get too serious but in case you missed the revolution going on in Africa and globally - African music, culture and dancing is spreading like wildlife - We really need to take notice of what Nollywood, Afrobeat (west, east, and southern African) are doing to change the perception of Africa. Please see the link, we also have to have a social and cultural discussions on the transformation that is happening to us on the continent and globally( diasporans ). Many languages are dying, and our culture is erroding (and the like) because we want to copy Oyinbo man and being appropriated; we have to get serious and stop with the name callings and really really get serious and start having targeted solution driven discussion- And most importantly involve young people in these discussions. It is amazing what these artists have don with little to no funding or government assistance - the culture is in serious demand, from what my kids tell me... we need to find ways to encourage our people to exploit the financial windfall that can come from this. Cultural appropriation is happening under our noses ... and it could be costing us Billions of dollars.. My people make we open our eyes.... And take a few moments to just smell the roses as well Anthony Momah |
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Good morning everyone this is something to ligten the mood.
https://youtu.be/72PUAQZPoHY
Sometimes we get too serious but in case you missed the revolution going on in Africa and globally - African music, culture and dancing is spreading like wildlife - We really need to take notice of what Nollywood, Afrobeat (west, east, and southern African) are doing to change the perception of Africa.
Please see the link, we also have to have a social and cultural discussions on the transformation that is happening to us on the continent and globally( diasporans ).
Many languages are dying, and our culture is erroding (and the like) because we want to copy Oyinbo man and being appropriated; we have to get serious and stop with the name callings and really really get serious and start having targeted solution driven discussion- And most importantly involve young people in these discussions.
It is amazing what these artists have don with little to no funding or government assistance - the culture is in serious demand, from what my kids tell me... we need to find ways to encourage our people to exploit the financial windfall that can come from this. Cultural appropriation is happening under our noses ... and it could be costing us Billions of dollars..
My people make we open our eyes....
And take a few moments to just smell the roses as well
Anthony Momah
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This is a typical "losers approach" to solving problems. According Voting rights to Diaspora Nigerians will not do much (if any) to improving the conditions of life in Nigeria (please list the benefits). Thus I see the points that IW is making. Somehow, as in many things, I see that some Diaspora Nigerians believe that this will open some doors for them... Purely for selfish reasons. Joe.
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Good morning everyone this is something to ligten the mood.
https://youtu.be/72PUAQZPoHY
Sometimes we get too serious but in case you missed the revolution going on in Africa and globally - African music, culture and dancing is spreading like wildlife - We really need to take notice of what Nollywood, Afrobeat (west, east, and southern African) are doing to change the perception of Africa.
Please see the link, we also have to have a social and cultural discussions on the transformation that is happening to us on the continent and globally( diasporans ).
Many languages are dying, and our culture is erroding (and the like) because we want to copy Oyinbo man and being appropriated; we have to get serious and stop with the name callings and really really get serious and start having targeted solution driven discussion- And most importantly involve young people in these discussions.
It is amazing what these artists have don with little to no funding or government assistance - the culture is in serious demand, from what my kids tell me... we need to find ways to encourage our people to exploit the financial windfall that can come from this. Cultural appropriation is happening under our noses ... and it could be costing us Billions of dollars..
My people make we open our eyes....
And take a few moments to just smell the roses as well
Anthony Momah
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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?
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Mopho:
Please focus on the issue or topic not on characterizing me. You cannot characterize me. In any case, read my response.
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Mexico <https://www.theguardian.com/ world/mexico> and
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is
every citizen's
right
“”*By giving the right to vote to citizens living
abroad, countries will
soon discover that it means the betterment of society on
all
levels:
economic, social and political. As Mexico
<https://www.theguardian.com/ world/egypt>, Turkey,
argues
that “external voting is highly relevant to the many
people who are
travelling or working around the globe”. It is also
pertinent, she writes
Iraq
learned, by casting a
ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better
their
native countries.
This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting,
we
show our
ability and willingness to participate in more than a
single
vote: it can
be a moment that enables citizens to take action for
their
native
societies.*
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This is a typical "losers approach" to solving problems. According Voting rights to Diaspora Nigerians will not do much (if any) to improving the conditions of life in Nigeria (please list the benefits). Thus I see the points that IW is making. Somehow, as in many things, I see that some Diaspora Nigerians believe that this will open some doors for them... Purely for selfish reasons. Joe.
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> Morocco, Egypt <https://www.theguardian.com/ world/egypt>,
argues
> that “external voting is
highly relevant to the many people who are
> travelling or working around the globe”.
It is also pertinent, she writes
difficulty <http://www.idea.int/ elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm>.
and Iraq learned, by casting a
> ballot
citizens began to seek out a means to better their native
countries.
> This is a lesson we all
should learn, because by voting, we show our
> ability and willingness to participate in
more than a single vote: it can
> be a
moment that enables citizens to take action for their
native
> societies.*
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All of the reasons enumerated sound, em, spurious and academic. "Democracy and patriotism promotion" how?Let's let the people who wake up everyday and wrestle with the realities of living in Nigeria vote in Nigeria. Any Diasporan who wants to vote in Nigeria elections should pay the equivalence of $500 voting tax per election. If you miss even one payment, you lose that voting right forever. That's how much I desire it.C. Ukachukwu"More relevant however is that I have always found it despicable conduct when an elected individual diverts the resources of the people over whom he presides to carving out for himself a sinecure. Self-service should not be read in the vocabulary of anyone fortunate enough to be called to serve his or her people."-- Professor Wole Soyinka
If some of us did not read the following cogent reasons why many countries practice External Voting, I'm reposting it:Thebroader significance of Voting Abroad arefundamental, including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad, democracy and patriotism promotion, and effective diplomatic or ambassadorialactivities.
If you observe out there, collection of pittance from taxes is the last reason that industrialized nations and developing countries like Ghana, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea or Iraq are practicing Voting Abroad by non-resident citizens.
Take care. JUI--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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This is a typical "losers approach" to solving problems. According Voting rights to Diaspora Nigerians will not do much (if any) to improving the conditions of life in Nigeria (please list the benefits). Thus I see the points that IW is making. Somehow, as in many things, I see that some Diaspora Nigerians believe that this will open some doors for them... Purely for selfish reasons. Joe.
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> Morocco, Egypt <https://www.theguardian.com/ world/egypt>,
argues
> that “external voting is
highly relevant to the many people who are
> travelling or working around the globe”.
It is also pertinent, she writes
difficulty <http://www.idea.int/ elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm>.
and Iraq learned, by casting a
> ballot
citizens began to seek out a means to better their native
countries.
> This is a lesson we all
should learn, because by voting, we show our
> ability and willingness to participate in
more than a single vote: it can
> be a
moment that enables citizens to take action for their
native
> societies.*
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Brother Chris Ukachukwu,PIs tell whether your position on the External Voting by Nigerians is based on the socioeconomic situations of the countries listed below [see table] or it's based on the UNIQUENESS of the Nigerian circumstances on Planet Earth. Take care. JUI
Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting
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"..Even though,the law allows Non-Residents of Ghana to vote,they are yet to do so because the Political Parties donot have the resources to campaign abroad etc.Please read the attachment below.Iraq as a Post-Conflict country had to allow its citizens who were forced to disperse,to vote.Before the Conflict not many citizens were interested in leaving Iraq.Many countries with few living in population Cape Verde,Equatorial Guinea even Senegal have reasons to allow their Citizens to vote.In fact countries that have been doing for sometime have seen decreasing number of voters and this has not affected remittances and investment from their citizens abroad.iwIshola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)
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Brother Chris Ukachukwu,PIs tell whether your position on the External Voting by Nigerians is based on the socioeconomic situations of the countries listed below [see table] or it's based on the UNIQUENESS of the Nigerian circumstances on Planet Earth. Take care. JUICountries and territories with current provisions for external voting
If cattle and babies can vote in Nigeria, why do Nigerians in the Diaspora need special assistance to vote in Nigerian elections? The next thing you know, they will be expecting special assistance to be included in the census. Not me. My aunt knows every member of our family worldwide and she knows their names, their dates of birth, all the way to my great grandchildren who are proud to be from UmudimUkpor. Northerners don't have these problems. Their cattle are included in the census and they vote. Their babies are included in the census and they vote. Their Diaspora are included in the census and they vote. The southerners? They want everything done for them by the book. While Abba and his friends are laughing their heads off and concluding that we from southern Nigeria are as dumb as they thought, the southern elite are debating non. Not Ezeana. I vote where I was born because I live where I was born. Buhari goes to Britain to clean his ear wax. I go to USA to get some dollars. The only difference is duration of stay. He hurries back because Aisha did not go with him. I don't hurry back because my iyawo is always with me, afraid of Kemi. Buhari votes. I vote. So what? The north loot and the south debate war on corruption and Abba laugh no be small o.I have to go. I am suddenly sick to my stomach.And I amEzeana Igirigi AchusimOdi-IsaaNwa Dim Orioha AKA OnyeukwuSent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Saturday, January 14, 2017, 1:30 PM, Joe Attueyi topc...@yahoo.com [IgboWorldForum] <IgboWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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"..Even though,the law allows Non-Residents of Ghana to vote,they are yet to do so because the Political Parties donot have the resources to campaign abroad etc.Please read the attachment below.Iraq as a Post-Conflict country had to allow its citizens who were forced to disperse,to vote.Before the Conflict not many citizens were interested in leaving Iraq.Many countries with few living in population Cape Verde,Equatorial Guinea even Senegal have reasons to allow their Citizens to vote.In fact countries that have been doing for sometime have seen decreasing number of voters and this has not affected remittances and investment from their citizens abroad.iwIshola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)
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Prof sir,There are very few countries with "unconditional" votes for Non Residents.For those who are interested please read the long essay by a Fordham University Author I circulated about 36 hours ago.
This paper is very clear about the rationale,conditions and criteria for voting.In addition,most countries look for cost-Effective way to do so.For countries who donot have Non-Resident representation in their parliaments,the turnout is very low.Take South Africa, UK,Canada and New Zealand as examples to see the conditions etcMoving on sir,western democracies sir are having problems with low voters turnout and looking for ways to get more young people to vote.It is the same in Africa and that is why stomach politics and monetary incentives are becoming a tradition.Scholars are looking for alternatives.Some countries make it obligatory to vote as in Brazil and Australia.Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me oIshola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)E-mail: isholaw...@yahoo.com
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One is forced to respond to some of the comments you made below. Do you know or are aware of the formidable obstacles faced by those who have tried, or trying to collaborate with Nigerian institutions? If you know the efforts expended, and on many occasions, wasted in trying to make some of the said opportunities you mentioned available to our people? I give you few examples: one of my Nigerian PhD students wondered why I concentrated my effort working with South African universities, and after a very frank discussion, I asked that she follow up on an opportunity that opened up. A call was put out, 5 Nigerian VCs visited and went back, none followed up, despite repeated attempts to prompt them. We turned once again to South African institutions.
When this student completed her PhD, she went home and worked tirelessly to revive the programme, luckily, there was a dynamic VC in place. A visit took place and an MoU was signed. I brought another Nigerian who is the Dean and Head of School from another University that also signed an MoU with this institution. The MoU was to facilitate staffs and students’ movements between the two institutions to collaborate in research and best practice in pedagogy. The British Embassy in Nigeria picked this up and a letter was sent to the UK institutions involved offering support and co-ordinations to us, which was relayed back to the university in Nigeria. To kick-start the programme, a three Joint International Conference was announced with the first one to take place in Nigeria, followed by two in the UK. Additionally, summer school was planned that would bring students from Nigeria to engage with their contemporaries from the UK and one other European country (Republic of Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Denmark, Rome). Books, equipment, and materials were to be recycled to the Nigerian university. What followed will pass for a home movie.
My ex-student who instigated the programme was ostracised by her colleagues, accusing her of inordinate ambitions and assertiveness, and further alleging that the initiative would lead to the UK universities involved tempting their Master degree students to the UK. The books donated and collected could not be sent because her bosses showed no interests. The other Nigerian went out to Nigeria to deliver their annual lecture series, this almost never happened because of the hostilities from some of the Nigerian university staffs. Regarding the international conference, the UK universities have unfortunately entered the event in their diaries, we could not turn back. I had to write again to the VC in Nigeria begging him not to disappoint us, the poor man was shocked to learn of the saga, and following his intervention, we began to see some movements in that my ex-student was relieved of the numerous administrative burdens forced on her. To cut the story short, the joint international conference successfully took place in Nigeria from the 21st-24th of March 2016. you know that it took several interventions from the VC to have venues to facilitate the conference. The international conference committee decided to reward the efforts of my ex-student by asking her front the proceedings, she bluntly refused claiming that life would be made more unbearable for her by her colleagues. Rather than celebrate the enthusiasm and commitment of this young lady, they killed her spirit. The second Joint International Conference resulting from the engagement is billed for Dec 2017 at South Bank University in London with the third and final of the series to be held in Leicester in 2018. Colleagues from the University of the West of England and University of Central Lancashire (uclan) organised a major conference in Lagos in 2014. Lots are happening but the experience one gets is often unforgettable and unforgivable.
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Indeed. But let us look at the situation more broadly: we, the Diaspora Nigerians, have failed ourselves and our nation: all these years we refused to focus on initiatives that will Nigeria and Nigerians move in
the right direction. Initiatives that would clear lots of huddles for us, make our transition easier, allow us to fully participate in the political processes, create enduring opportunities for us and everyone else. If we had done so, there possible would
be better governance, steady electricity, good water supply, recognized participation in the political system, security, etc. Rather we focussed on individual acquisition of land, donating to projects, breaking of kola nuts, fighting each other here, and the
likes. All things that do not help a society grow. Today, we are scared to spend but a few weeks in Nigeria for fear of getting sick (ever thought of how much improvement we could have made if we had worked with our counterparts to develop a good healthcare
system? NOT going to medil mission!). We complain about the political system (ever thought of how better the process would have been if all these years we worked with our politicians to help them see the good in focusing on what benefits the society in general
versus what benefits a few. NOT helping them hide public money they stole! NOT working with them to obtain government lands that most would not even live to in!
We complain about poor infrastructure. How many times have our agenda and discussions in all these diaspora conventions and similar gatherings dwelt on engaging our invited Nigerian dignitaries and showing them how such infrasture in USA, UK, France, etc were
built by humans not God! And so on. By not doing the above, we have lost just as the country has lost. One has to build for one to enjoy later. We did not build Nigeria and thus Nigeria is not ready for us. Building mansions and owning lands, in poor and infested
environment, amidst poverty, in unstable economy, is not building a society! Joe
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""""Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.
I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me o""".........UNQUOTE Gen Ishola Williams!AMEN! AMEN!! AMEN!!Meanwhile, with these lofty dreams we all have, we're refusing or reluctant to create the national consciousness, citizenship and embracing spirit that would allow the average Nigeria anywhere in the country or world to aspire to any office he/she is qualified for anywhere in the country......NAIJAs na wa ooo!NIGERIANS in the Diaspora want the Diaspora Commission and Voting Bills passed ASAP; if not, No Diaspora Bond oooo! Haha! Take care. JUI--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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In one case, a man and his wife applied for a development grant via UNESCO and World Bank were successful and their initial drawdowns were augmented by some churches in the US. The objective was to establish an ultramodern community health clinics in Imo State, piloting at least 2, 12 months from the date of the initial drawdown. Long story short, the Imo State government would not let him break ground without sharing the initial funds. The man left Nigeria in disgust, came back here and returned the monies to all the entities that he received the money from. The other case was quite similar, a friend, medic turned industrialist, ran away from Nigeria without implementing the industry he had in mind because of bribes.
One is forced to respond to some of the comments you made below. Do you know or are aware of the formidable obstacles faced by those who have tried, or trying to collaborate with Nigerian institutions?(John Ebohon)Brother John nailed it right, considering the childishness and naiveté that touched off this thread. When you see the uninformed baseless rants about what the Diaspora has done in Nigeria, you begin to wonder where this person has been and if they even know Nigeria to begin with.Nigerian government at federal or state level has absolutely no interest in what anyone overseas has to say. Any attempt to persuade them to change any aspect of how to do things is consistently met with lack of interest. When they request a demonstration from one person or a group of people, unless the group has some whites in it, the Nigerian government at all levels has no regard for it.As far as Diasporan descending on Nigeria like locusts and transforming the place overnight, that would be nice if there is any thought behind such euphoric wishes. But the point is that it has been tried by so many and been brushed off due the corrupt nature of the Nigerian government and their desire to have you bribe them before project of value can be implemented. I have 2 examples both identical.In one case, a man and his wife applied for a development grant via UNESCO and World Bank were successful and their initial drawdowns were augmented by some churches in the US. The objective was to establish an ultramodern community health clinics in Imo State, piloting at least 2, 12 months from the date of the initial drawdown. Long story short, the Imo State government would not let him break ground without sharing the initial funds. The man left Nigeria in disgust, came back here and returned the monies to all the entities that he received the money from. The other case was quite similar, a friend, medic turned industrialist, ran away from Nigeria without implementing the industry he had in mind because of bribes.Point is, the government will not support any broad development effort that does not go through them and even at that, unless the seed money is shared and wiped out, nothing will happen. Forget about ideas, that's the last thing that flies in Nigeria.To all of a sudden want Nigeria to be transformed by people in the diaspora, whom the government did not invest in or supported in their personal journey to build up themselves is way too naïve to say the least.*Gregg*__._,_.___
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Prof,What stops you from aspiring to the highest office.Voting for somebody from abroad is different from being voted to an office since you have to come to be seen and heard.Please come home and contest and give our people options.Many Non Residents have taken up and are still in political positions.Many have won and lost election in our country without voting rights.
Non-Resident citizens have the options of two countries to serve.Enjoying the best of two worlds.Therefore,you can make my dreams come true as in UK.
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I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me o""".........UNQUOTE Gen Ishola Williams!
AMEN! AMEN!! AMEN!!Meanwhile, with these lofty dreams we all have, we're refusing or reluctant to create the national consciousness, citizenship and embracing spirit that would allow the average Nigeria anywhere in the country or world to aspire to any office he/she is qualified for anywhere in the country......NAIJAs na wa ooo!
NIGERIANS in the Diaspora want the Diaspora Commission and Voting Bills passed ASAP; if not, No Diaspora Bond oooo! Haha! Take care. JUI
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Prof sir,There are very few countries with "unconditional" votes for Non Residents.For those who are interested please read the long essay by a Fordham University Author I circulated about 36 hours ago.
This paper is very clear about the rationale,conditions and criteria for voting.In addition,most countries look for cost-Effective way to do so.For countries who donot have Non-Resident representation in their parliaments,the turnout is very low.Take South Africa, UK,Canada and New Zealand as examples to see the conditions etcMoving on sir,western democracies sir are having problems with low voters turnout and looking for ways to get more young people to vote.It is the same in Africa and that is why stomach politics and monetary incentives are becoming a tradition.Scholars are looking for alternatives.Some countries make it obligatory to vote as in Brazil and Australia.Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me oIshola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)E-mail: isholaw...@yahoo.com
Haha.....Pastor Joe! Do you honestly believe that Gen Williams answered the QUESTION with the scanty examples of Ghana and smaller countries he gave below when over a 110 countries still practice UNCONDITIONAL External Voting? Na wa ooo....haha! Have a Great weekend and take care. JUI
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Gen Williams,
It appears some of us have essentially double-down on the broader significance of Voting Abroad; we've reduced it to mere tasks-dependent citizen-country responsibility and IGNORED the GREATER fundamental reasons for practicing voting abroad, including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad, democracy and patriotism promotion, and effective diplomatic or ambassadorial utility.
If you observe out there, collection of pittance from taxes is the last reason that industrialized nations and developing countries like Ghana, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea or Iraq are practicing Voting Abroad by non-resident citizens.
Take care. JUI
On Jan 13, 2017 4:20 PM, "'ishola williams' via OkonkwoNetworks" <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Citizens not only have rights but must also fulfill their responsibilities to the Country.In cases of Permanent (or long-term illegal) Residency/Dual Citizenship,there are deem to have dual responsibilities especially in case of living in a developed country like USA and in Europe and developing one like Nigeria.The tendency is to be more responsible in a developed country for well-known reasons.Are the remittances by individuals with the above status,a fulfillment of reponsibilities to the country or the extended families and communities?If the answer is yes,is that enough to earn voting rights?How do other millions without families abroad benefit from these remittances? We also know that many do not earn enough to remit a cent while others have not lost contact with friends and extended Families and they do not care.Those with Businesses in the country are in a separate entity.What about the costs of external voting? Who will pay when presently,INEC spends about 700million Naira for on average for each state Guber elections within the country?Will INEC need to send Commissioners abroad with staff or allow the Ambassador appointed by the party in power supervise the elections or remote Voting?It is obvious to all of us that the Parties who have the Resources will need forex for campaigns abroad or will their supporters abroad cover the costs and even sponsor candidates at home with their own contributions like US Super Pacs.It will be interesting to read the attached long essay because the next step is to ask for Representation at NASS.At the end of the day,what are extra benefits that we can get from Non-Resident voting and Representation as already there is Mr Gbajabiamila who can be said to be a Non-Resident Representative.iw for shaking for voting with responsibility to country and community through 2% tax on remittances.Ishola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)E-mail: isholaw...@yahoo.comwebsite: www.panafstrag.org
On Friday, January 13, 2017 3:05 PM, 'Afis Deinde' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Those who want voting abroad may find themselves the losers at the mercy of ANY ruling cabal. Abroad votes may become sources of sure-votes for ANY ruling party.
ShikenaAfis“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.Sent from my iPhone
The Table and Refs below show the list of countries [big, small or raggedy] that practice voting abroad. The Billion Dollar Question is: Why Not Nigeria? Besides, if the Nigerian Diaspora Community is so resourceful and able to be the target of Govt Bond, why is enfranchisement a problem?
In the apt words of Joseph Mayton, in his Guardian article: “”Voting abroad is every citizen's right”” [see full-text below], ”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””…….Unquote! Take care. JUI
Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting
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There are various known cases (E.g. parliamentary and presidential elections in Ghana in 2008) where, despite there being some kind of constitutional or legal provisions making voting from abroad possible, it has not materialized due to the lack of the political, legislative, financial or administrative agreement required for it to be regulated or organized. This provides evidence of the increasing relevance of external voting on the political and electoral agenda in several regions of the world, as well as of the polemics involved in debates on its relevance and feasibility and the varied complexities of decision making.
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Voting abroad is every citizen's right
“”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””Joseph Mayton [From refugees to those on business overseas, all expats should have the chance to engage with their democracy at election time. A British citizen living overseas chats to a Conservatives Abroad worker registering voters for the 2010 general election in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: Jasper Juinen/Getty]Theguardian - Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT First published on Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDTAs someone who has voted while living outside my native country, I find it disconcerting that around 100 countries worldwide don’t allow their citizens this same right. Unsurprisingly, a vast majority of those that bar citizens from casting a ballot are developing countries, including Morocco, Egypt, Turkey, Armenia and Botswana. It needs to change.It’s not difficult to see why some countries don’t allow citizens residing abroad to vote. Lebanon, for example, has some 12 million citizens living outside the country compared with only around 4 million inside – so in theory absentee voters could determine the outcome of any election. Meanwhile in Egypt, where one party has ruled for three decades, it’s widely believed that citizens living abroad would be less likely to support the status quo.That aside, though, there is an important principle at stake: all citizens should have equal rights, regardless of where they happen to be at election time. Maria Gratschew, co-author of a handbook, Voting from Abroad, argues that “external voting is highly relevant to the many people who are travelling or working around the globe”. It is also pertinent, she writes, for “refugees and others who may be forced to live outside their country of origin due to political circumstances and who wish to participate in any democratic transition from authoritarian rule or violent conflict”.
A case in point is Sudan, where a referendum on north-south separation is due to be held next year. The question of external voting is extremely relevant, especially considering the UNCHR’s statistics of hundreds of thousands of southern Sudanese currently residing outside the country due to fears of violence if they return. By having a chance to vote, the refugees and those in exile would be able to play a direct role in the future of their native land.
Elsewhere, Turkey is in the middle of drafting new legislation that will allow any citizen living abroad to cast a vote. This follows a ruling by the European court of human rights ruled that forcing people to travel long distances to vote is a violation of the European convention on human rights. In today’s globalised world, where millions of people live outside their country of origin, it makes sense to allow them to vote from wherever they happen to be. Think of it this way. As a citizen of any of the 115 or so countries that allow people to vote from abroad, what would be your reaction if you weren’t given the opportunity to cast a ballot? It would be angering, frustrating and confusing. You would feel deprived of a say in your country’s future.Mexico, Iraq and Mali are countries that have in the past few years allowed citizens living abroad to vote – and this highlights a further difficulty. It cost Mexico about $27m and the first Iraqi experience of external voting ended up costing about $92m, according to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. That’s a price that many countries simply cannot afford.
Giving citizens the opportunity to vote, wherever they may be living, can have positive results that go beyond participation in choosing their leaders. It results in more direct association and belief in their native country.Here in Cairo, Egyptians living abroad have been demanding the chance to cast ballots, with those residing in the US being the most vocal. While they undoubtedly want a chance to vote against the ruling National Democratic party – which, for the past 30 years has shown an unwillingness to support its people politically, socially and economically – there is a caveat that must be heard, and one that transcends the Egyptian situation.
By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------
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Dear VC Aluko,
As we may all recollect, the Diaspora Commission and Voting bills were initiated over 15 years ago; and that was shortly after the famed OBJ's Diaspora Dialogue of 2000; and the establishment of the blue-prints for NIDO by Ambassador Jubril Aminu in 2001!
However, we're still discussing the passage of the Diaspora bills in 2017! Haha...!! Anyway sha, when VC-B tells me that something is cooking, I'll believe him because, first, he walks his talks; he has Diaspora interest in heart and mind, having been in the trenches of the Nigerian Diaspora Community efforts, especially in the Americas; and importantly, he's a TRUE NIGERIAN!
Now, time-wise, how do we handle this Diaspora bond issue vis-a-vis the pending and lingering Diaspora bills at the NASS? To JUI, the Nigerian Govt should make the effort to pass the Diaspora Commission & Voting bills into laws first before embarking on this Diaspora bond scheme. Or at least implement the initiatives in pari-pasu!
Why? These citizens empowerment laws should have been no brainer in a country like Nigeria, boasting of a dynamically robust, resourceful & willing Diaspora Community. And the Nigerian Govts at all levels know this disposition of the Diaspora Community. They're gong-ho about Diaspora bond while the Diaspora Commission & Voting bills that were conceived over 15 years ago during the Obasanjo administration are still floating aimlessly in the air!
The benefits of the Diaspora Commission & Voting laws cannot be over-emphasized & this is why several industrialized countries & even raggedy fledgling countries practice them around the world.
Take care. JUI
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