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Emeka Okala:

Leave Obafemi Awolowo out of this discussion. 

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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: [africanworldforum] NEO-BIAFRANS! /// RE: THE GENERAL IKE NWACHUKWU THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 Some"Gen Ike Nwachukwu will not lead us for now until he is cleared of the charges against him simple."  -  Sir Ugo G. Ummunnakwe


Comment:
But the man is already leading you in the National Conference as we talk. So, how do you mean?

Your comment on Chief Obafemi Awolowo betrays your naivety about the actual role  the man played during the crisis that preceded that actual war. He worked indefatigably hard to make sure that the federal government did not bully the East. In the physical absence of Zik, Awo was the de facto father of the South (East & West) at the time. And that's why Ojukwu always respected him. Go and find out!

The only portion of your statement that made sense is where you said as follows: "If Ike Nwachukwu is guilty, he should not represent Ndi Igbo and let a core Igbo son lead Igbo in both national conference and other levels." By Sir Ugo G. Umunnakwe

This shows that General Ike Nwachukwu has not yet been tried before any Assembly of the Igbo people anytime, anywhere, yet you guys keep shouting all over the cyberspace; "Stone him! Kill him!" Let the man be tried first and if found guilty, which I very much doubt, then you have the justification to say that he shouldn't represent you.

By the way what do you mean by core Igbo? Are you more Igbo than Ike Nwachukwu? Some of you are just too naive and childish. Grow up!

Emeka Reuben Okala
London, UK 
   
 



On Saturday, 22 March 2014, 12:49, "ug...@netzero.net" <ug...@netzero.net> wrote:

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Brethren,
When you tell a child to bath, he will surely bath only his stomach. Emeka you write like a child who based his argument on the story told by wasted biased sabotage mindset. Many people that write about the despicable atrocities of some people against Igbo race, during the war, write with facts and live experience as adults during the war. If you did not witness that inhumane/dehumanizing war, make comprehensive research with objective mindset. Open your eyes and see what is in front of you. They way I see your write up and you call yourself pastor, I have doubt that you are representing the Living God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Bible said spell out the truth and the truth shall set you free but if you fail tell the truth, you will die in shame and hell fire will be your dwelling place. Awo, Aluko and others played ungodly roles that fit people of darkness. Darkness will never over come daylight and anybody that support people of darkness is one of
them. The best you can do should be wash your hands clean and step out of the bad omen of the devilish Awo whom I believe is in hell fire. If Ike Nwachukwu is guilty, he should not represent Ndi Igbo and let a core Igbo son lead Igbo in both national conference and other levels. Gen Ike Nwachukwu will not lead us for now until he is cleared of the charges against him simple.
Ka Odi,
Sir Ugo G.C.Umunnakwe

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KC Prince Asagwara,
Please see my response interspersed:

"One thing that I have come to know about you is that once you like a person, all your sense of objectivity in discussing his/her mistakes and or failings go out the window. To you, everything about your person of admiration becomes fully subjective and one sided."  -  KC Prince Asagwara

>>
Comment:
What you call "all your sense of objectivity...go out the window" is actually my concrete objectivity to analysing issues and seeing things. They seem to you as subjective because they don't tally with your subjective ways of seeing things.

"One thing that I have come to know about you is that once you like a person, all your sense of objectivity in discussing his/her mistakes and or failings go out the window."  -  KC Prince Asagwara
>
>
>Comment:
> What you call "your sense of objectivity...go out the window" is actually the variance between my objective sense of analysis and your subjective ways of seeing things that satisfy your whims and caprices.  
>
>
>"To you, everything about your person of admiration becomes fully subjective and one sided. For you one I consider well read, that makes not for sound education and advancement of learning."  -  KC Prince Asagwara
> 
>Comment:
>You are totally wrong. You say so because you don't know the embodiment that make up the personality of this writer.
>
>
>"You are free to make spirited defence of Awo, Aluko, Ike Nwachukwu, etc., based on your subjective perception of them."  -  KC Prince Asagwara
>
>
>Comment:
>Everything I have said about Awo, Aluko and now Ike Nwachukwu is purely based on objectivity. On the contrary, you and your brothers are the ones judging them based on your subjectivity and parochialism as evidenced in your unenviable mod actions."But please, do it in avoidance of cheap recognition from their followers."  KC Prince Asagwara

Comment:
How do you mean?
 
"You could have made your points that support Ike Nwachukwu as you know him without the unnecessary analogy of what you perceive as propaganda pot shots against Awo, and Alukos. I see no bearing(s) there with the case in discussion."  -  KC Prince Asagwara

Comment:
I'm surprised that you cannot see the glaring similarity in my analogy. I referenced the cases of Awo and Aluko purely to prove your (discussants of Igbo extraction in e-groups) antecedents. You guys have a "gang mentality". Once a member of your "gang" starts up a campaign - mostly of calumny against some perceived heavyweights or titans -- living or dead that he loves to hate and, sugar-coats it with an imaginary action that his target took against the Igbo nation vis-a-vis the Biafran war, you sheepishly jump into a zombie mob action to fight the person without asking yourselves simple questions. You did it and still do it to Awo. You did it and still do it to Aluko and his son. In the same vein, you are now doing it to one of your own -- General Ike Nwachukwu. How does my analogy not add up in your calculation?

 "Apparently, you are hoping for a reinforced endearment from the Awoists in the e-forums, including Bolaji Aluko. I believe Awoists can and do a better job of defending Awo than the cheap recognition you sought; the same way that Bolaji Aluko remains ably capable defending his late father and self anytime the need arises."  -  KC Prince Asagwara

Comment:
Honestly I didn't know you are this mean. Lord have mercy!

"Now about Ike Nwachukwu; I have read your two spirited defence of him in this matter. You see, your defence cannot be because you really believe that he is being falsely accused. What you are doing is just a proxy fight against those you have locked horns with severally on your chicanery of “Ikwerre is not Igbo” and “Ikwerre is Igbo”. Put it this way, yours is a case of my enemy’s enemy is my friend and my friend’s enemy is my enemy. A subterfuge, I say."  -  KC Prince Asagwara

Comment:
If I had seen things on this occasion through the prism of your perception, could you have stated the senseless opinion that you expressed above? You are the one calling me an enemy for stating the obvious reality about the relationship that has ever existed between the two sister ethnic nationalities of Ikwerre and Igbo. I don't see you as my enemy. You are my brother anytime. I only state things objectively the way they are. If I may ask, whenever I state things clearly about the pogrom and senseless killing of the Igbos in the north by the northerners in the 60s, why don't you classify my opinion on this issue as subjective? Because it favours you abi? You see, you are the very one that is subjectively opinionated! Check yourself.
"That stated, let me turn to retired General Ike Nwachukwu being a member talkless leading the Igbo delegation to the National Conference; I will repeat my earlier stated views on it. And that is, if I had anything to do with that decision, he will neither be a member nor Igbo leader to the Conference."  -  KC Prince Asagwara

Comment:
Yours truly that's why you were not and will never have anything to do with the decision that led to the nomination of Gen. Ike Nwachukwu as the leader of the Igbo team to the National Conference.

"It is like an Arab Israeli with PLO sympathy as a lead member of an Israeli delegation to an Arab/Israeli peace conference."  -  KC Prince Asagwara

Comment:
Ah, Ah! What are you talking about? The last time I checked Israel and Palestine are two different countries. But Ike Nwachukwu is Igbo of Nigeria, the team he is leading is Igbo of Nigeria and National Conference is purely Nigerian. How does your analogy of Israel, PLO and Arab add up here?
 
"The Igbo like the Yorubas have a way of thumbing their noses at sons that betray their cause(s). And betrayal of our Biafra cause arouses serious hard feeling. Till today, the name Ukpabi Asika remains a pariah in any Igbo gathering."  -  KC Prince Asagwara

Comment:
Yes, of course, every Nigerian who cares to know recognises that late Governor Ukpabi Asika a bad son to his people - going by the style of his governance of the defunct East Central State. Is anyone singing his praises?

 "As I stated prior, the only crime of Obasanjo against the Yorubas for which most of them hate him is that he did not hand over to Awo in 1979."  -  KC Prince Sagwara

Comment:
Yes, I agree that for not allowing Awo to go to the electoral college as stipulated by the Constitution, he denied Awo the chances of becoming the President in 1979. And you don't have to be Yoruba to be upset with Obsanjo for that unfair, fraudulent and frustrating act of his administration!

"Now, imagine that he joined forces with an enemy bent on exterminating the generality of the Yorubas and in the end, have the bloods of over 3000 thousands Yorubas wasted on his hands."  -  KC Prince Asagwara 

Comment:
But there was nothing like that. You are merely stating your imagination. Sorry, I have no room to accommodate imaginations. I deal with realities.

"Names like, Olu Onagoruwa, Lateef Jakande, Ebenezer Babatope, etc., are not endeared in Yoruba gatherings simply because of their roles in Abacha’s government and turning their backs on NADECO and late Abiola’s democracy mandate. Amongs the Yorubas, there are those that will not name their children after Akintola or Fani-Kayode on account of Awo. It is all on account of politics and not tragic war that took millions of lives. Imagine that!"  -  KC Prince Asagwara
 Comment:
Yes. And how does that add up here? Tell me!
"The role of Ike Nwachukwu along with Murtala Mohammed, Alani Akirinade, etc., in the Asaba massacre of Delta Igbos is documented. You asked for investigation and documented evidence, right? Very well Emeka; please, go read Chief Emma Okocha’s “Blood on the Niger”. I have an autographed copy he sent to me when it was published. If you read it and you are not objectively disordered, you may have a feel of those against his membership in the Igbo delegation to the National Conference."  -  KC Prince Asagwara
>
>
>Comment:
>KC Prince Asagwara, you are Igbo and you are a Chief, Chief Emma Okocha is Igbo and Gen. Ike Nwachukwu is Igbo. As an Igbo Chief, why did it not occur to you to have an appointment with Gen. Ike Nwachukwu to discuss those nagging areas that Chief Emma Okacha put down in his book? Why did you swallow all that Chief Emma Okacha wrote hook, line and sinker? I won't do like you did if I were you. I would do as I have stated before joining in the mob action against Gen. Ike Nwachukwu in public if I were you!
>
>
>"I also feel that the many years after that orgy of bloodletting, he could be regretting and feeling bad for his actions."  -  KC Prince Asagwara 
>
>
>Comment:
>That is if he ever took any bad action to regret of and not what you imagine he did.
>
>
>"Perhaps, he found himself in a situation he could not help as articulated by Mazi Ogbonna. He may have also gone on to do other good works for Ndi-Igbo. But the three words, “I am sorry” for whatever role I may have played during the war will go a long way in ameliorating the hurt feelings by most Igbo, his brothers and sisters."  -  KC Prince Asagwara
> 
>Comment:
>In the world, you say sorry when you have wronged someone and not when no wrong was done. You say sorry to someone when you have not wronged them only if you are Christ-like. But we are purely talking about the world here and if it turns out that Ike Nwachukwu did not wrong you, why do you expect him to say sorry?
> 
>"Emeka, remember that Chief Obi Nwali, your fellow Ikwerre iconic man was murdered for holding and asserting publicly that he was an Igbo and thumbing his nose at those Ikwerre like you that rejected their Igbo ethnicity."  -  By KC Prince Asagwara
Comment:
KC Prince Asagwara, please stop insulting the memory of the dead. How can you come in the cyberspace to state blatant and bleeding lie miserably? Late Dr. Obi Wali, the revered "Onukwuganuohna 1 of Ikwerreland" whom I was very, very close to at family level ( he saw me as one of his young friends) to assert publicly or secretly that he was Igbo? KC Prince Asagwara, please stop lying through your teeth. Dr. Obi Wali's spirit must be turning in his resting place. Lord have mercy!

Emeka Reuben Okala
London, UK





 
 



On Friday, 21 March 2014, 23:28, Wilson Iguade <Igu...@Hotmail.com> wrote:

 
Ayo,

From yours below, am confused. Thus, if am confused, I guess am confusing the readers. "I"


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2014, at 6:21 PM, "Ayo Ojutalayo" <ayooju...@yahoo.com> wrote:


Wilson,
> 
>You saw Neo-biafrans and you are writing Neo-Biafrans. Don't you know you can confuse your readers?
> 
>Ayo
>
>
>
>On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:59 PM, Wilson Iguade <igu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Ayo,
>
>
>Perhaps, you think that question was directed at you personally and you acted defensively, as below. I understand. However, since this is a public forum my question was intended for the public of which you are a part of.
>
>
>I got your response, though not an answer to my question, because if I could figure it out there would be no need for the question. Right! Do you understand this? 
>
>
>Hopefully, someone else would have a better answer. No problem, Ayo, you have done your best to answer my question, but came out short. Let's see what others have to offer, perhaps someone from the neo-awoists group can help out. Hehehe!
>
>
>Lord have mercy oOo! These neo groups are beginning to spring up from every nooks and crannies, first Neo-Biafrans, now Neo-Awoists. 
>
>
>Hehehe!  Peace be with u. "I"
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Mar 21,
2014, at 5:35 PM, "Ayo Ojutalayo" <ayooju...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> 
>>
>>"I have a question: is anything "neo" a good or bad thing?" . . . Wilson Iguade
>> 
>>Wilson, go figure it !!!
>> 
>>Ayo Ojutalayo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On Friday, March 21, 2014 5:44 PM, Wilson Iguade <igu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"... these neo-biafrans should not be taken seriously." By Ayo Ojutalayo
>>
>>
>>Hmmmmmm! Ehn! NEO-BIAFRANS!
>>
>>
>>Wow!
>>
>>
>>Now, that is an interesting phrase that can mean all sorts of things.
>>
>>
>>I have a question: is anything "neo" a good or bad thing? Know-what-I-mean? 
>>
>>
>>Hehehehe! 
>>
>>
>>God help me oOo! with the neo's. I wish for a group called the Neo-Iguades, LOL! 
>>
>>
>>Lord have mercy on my fucked up mind. Ise! "I"
>>
>>
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Mar 21, 2014, at 3:08 PM, "Ayo Ojutalayo" <ayooju...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>"If General Ike Nwachukwu were as bad as you want the world to believe, do you think that your fathers, brothers and sisters at home would nominate him to lead the Igbo team for the national conference? Do you think they would elect him Senator once upon a time to represent a senatorial zone in your ethnic nationality? Do you think he, himself, would bring himself forward for an election that would need the votes of his kith and kin? Has he no conscience? Don't you think that someone amongst you has wrongly carried this propaganda against Ike Nwachukwu simply because the man served on the Federal side as a senior military officer during the war? 
>>>Until, otherwise, the contrary is proved, I find it absolutely difficult to believe your allegations against General Ike Nwachukwu. The man is too good to do what you say he did!" . . . Emeka Reuben Okala
>>> 
>>>The people that want to portray the Igbo leaders and elders that appointed General Ike Nwachukwu South East leader at the National Conference as foolish must have under-rated our intelligence. The same with their pretenses as representing Ndigbo in the various views and opinions they express about Nigeria and other Nigerian ethnic nationalities. They are determined to continue to live in the 1967-1970 time period, and determined to drag others back from moving on. Those who take them seriously must have learned that these neo-biafrans should not be taken seriously.
>>> 
>>>Ayo Ojutalayo
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:17 PM, "Asagwara, Ken (EAL)" <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>Nwanna Dan:
>>> 
>>>Thanks for the goodwill wishes. I wish you as much, too.
>>> 
>>>As I said earlier to Nwanna Dr. Okeke, it is our bounden duty to redirect, re-educate and inform compatriots if and when they get it wrong. Or try to miss-educate, misinform, disinform the gullible in our readers’ forums.
>>> 
>>>Cheers.
>>> 
>>>Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
>>> 
>>> 
>>>From:daniel Akusobi [mailto:daku...@gmail.com]
>>>Sent: March-21-14 12:14 AM
>>>To: Dr. Mike Okeke
>>>Cc: talkn...@yahoogroups.com; Asagwara, Ken (EAL); okonkwo...@googlegroups.com; Ikenna Okonkwo; NaijaO...@yahoogroups.com; africanw...@googlegroups.com; ote-nk...@msn.com; idu...@googlegroups.com; NigerianW...@yahoogroups.com; Transfor...@yahoogroups.com; Chukwuemeka Okala
>>>Subject: RE: [TalkNigeria] Re: [africanworldforum] RE: THE GENERAL IKE NWACHUKWU THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>Ken.
>>>The Ken that will live forever .
>>>Emeka Okala would have been as bad or worse than  Ike  Nwachukwu or Murtala  Mohamed in handling Igbo children and women during the war if he was of an age to cary a club during the war.
>>>Emeka Okala is another Awolowo in the budding.
>>>His saintly Ike Nwachukwu had opportunities to reverse his war time roles as a governor, minister and a nominal row Senator . He missed all that.
>>>Emeka Okala ( a self professed none Igbo) thinks he now has the moral authority to force his likes on us.
>>>Akusobi, Dan.
>>>On Mar 20, 2014 8:36 PM, "Dr. Mike Okeke" <dr.o...@ebonypages.com> wrote:
>>>Mazi Asagwara, 
>>>That was a very sound, wise, objective, mature and on-point response you gave to Emeka Okala – void of emotion, sentiment and insult. 
>>>Thank you immensely.  
>>>Dr. Mike Okeke
>>>Ifekanku
>>>Atlanta
>>> 
>>> 
>>>From:Asagwara, Ken (EAL) [mailto:Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca]
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:35 PM
>>>To: 'Talkn...@yahoogroups.com'; 'africanw...@googlegroups.com'; 'dr.o...@ebonypages.com'; 'Ikenna Okonkwo'; 'NaijaO...@yahoogroups.com'; 'Chukwuemeka Okala'
>>>Cc: 'idu...@googlegroups.com'; 'NigerianW...@yahoogroups.com'; 'Transfor...@yahoogroups.com'; 'ote-nk...@msn.com'
>>>Subject: RE: [TalkNigeria] Re: [africanworldforum] RE: THE GENERAL IKE NWACHUKWU THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> 
>>>Nwanna Emeka Okala:
>>> 
>>>One thing that I have come to know about you is that once you like a person, all your sense of objectivity in discussing his/her mistakes and or failings go out the window. To you, everything about your person of admiration becomes fully subjective and one sided. For you one I consider well read, that makes not for sound education and advancement of learning.
>>> 
>>>You are free to make spirited defence of Awo, Aluko, Ike Nwachukwu, etc., based on your subjective perception of them. But please, do it in avoidance of cheap recognition from their followers. You could have made your points that support Ike Nwachukwu as you know him without the unnecessary analogy of what you perceive as propaganda pot shots against Awo, and Alukos. I see no bearing(s) there with the case in discussion. Apparently, you are hoping for a reinforced endearment from the Awoists in the e-forums, including Bolaji Aluko. I believe Awoists can and do a better job of defending Awo than the cheap recognition you sought; the same way that Bolaji Aluko remains ably capable defending his late father and self anytime the need arises.
>>> 
>>>Now about Ike Nwachukwu; I have read your two spirited defence of him in this matter. You see, your defence cannot be because you really believe that he is being falsely accused. What you are doing is just a proxy fight against those you have locked horns with severally on your chicanery of “Ikwerre is not Igbo” and “Ikwerre is Igbo”. Put it this way, yours is a case of my enemy’s enemy is my friend and my friend’s enemy is my enemy. A subterfuge, I say.
>>> 
>>>That stated, let me turn to retired General Ike Nwachukwu being a member talkless leading the Igbo delegation to the National Conference; I will repeat my earlier stated views on it. And that is, if I had anything to do with that decision, he will neither be a member nor Igbo leader to the Conference. It is like an Arab Israeli with PLO sympathy as a lead member of an Israeli delegation to an Arab/Israeli peace conference. The Igbo like the Yorubas have a way of thumbing their noses at sons that betray their cause(s). And betrayal of our Biafra cause arouses serious hard feeling. Till today, the name Ukpabi Asika remains a pariah in any Igbo gathering. As I stated prior, the only crime of Obasanjo against the Yorubas for which most of them hate him is that he did not hand over to Awo in 1979. Now, imagine that he joined forces with an enemy bent on exterminating the generality of the Yorubas and in the end, have the bloods of over 3000 thousands
Yorubas wasted on his hands. Names like, Olu Onagoruwa, Lateef Jakande, Ebenezer Babatope, etc., are not endeared in Yoruba gatherings simply because of their roles in Abacha’s government and turning their backs on NADECO and late Abiola’s democracy mandate. Amongs the Yorubas, there are those that will not name their children after Akintola or Fani-Kayode on account of Awo. It is all on account of politics and not tragic war that took millions of lives. Imagine that!
>>> 
>>>The role of Ike Nwachukwu along with Murtala Mohammed, Alani Akirinade, etc., in the Asaba massacre of Delta Igbos is documented. You asked for investigation and documented evidence, right? Very well Emeka; please, go read Chief Emma Okocha’s “Blood on the Niger”. I have an autographed copy he sent to me when it was published. If you read it and you are not objectively disordered, you may have a feel of those against his membership in the Igbo delegation to the National Conference. I also feel that the many years after that orgy of bloodletting, he could be regretting and feeling bad for his actions. Perhaps, he found himself in a situation he could not help as articulated by Mazi Ogbonna. He may have also gone on to do other good works for Ndi-Igbo. But the three words, “I am sorry” for whatever role I may have played during the war will go a long way in ameliorating the hurt feelings by most Igbo, his brothers and sisters.
>>> 
>>>If I may respond to some questions you posed; come with me. You asked,
>>>“If General Ike Nwachukwu were as bad as you want the world to believe, do you think that your fathers, brothers and sisters at home would nominate him to lead the Igbo team for the national conference?”
>>> 
>>>Comments - Emeka, it is not a case of him being “bad” or good; it is some hurt feelings for innocent bloods wasted while he watched and or participated in the butchery. Those that nominated him to the delegation on National Conference may have thought his presence would get the Igbo some good mileage. It could also, be because he lobbied for it as a way to say, my mistakes not minding, please, I am one of you. It could also, be on the basis of personal friendship with those “at home [that] nominated him to lead the Igbo team for national conference.”
>>> 
>>>You asked,
>>>“Do you think they would elect him Senator once upon a time to represent a senatorial zone in your ethnic nationality? Do you think he, himself, would bring himself forward for an election that would need the votes of his kith and kin? Has he no conscience?”
>>> 
>>>Comments – Emeka, you of all persons should know elections to any public office in Nigeria goes to the highest bidder and with the most money to spend and bribe the electorate. It is not because of how much you are loved or political manifesto. Amidst punishing poverty, whoever spends the most gets the most votes cast. In the senatorial zone he represented, he has the money to buy most peoples votes and he did.
>>> 
>>>You asked,
>>>“Do you think he, himself, would bring himself forward for an election that would need the votes of his kith and kin?”
>>> 
>>>Comments – Why not? Especially, if such will rehabilitate his name, image and standing among “his kith and kin” Everyone in life at one time or the other looks for the appreciation and acceptance of his people, particularly, if at some time past, he/she wronged them.
>>> 
>>>You asked,
>>>“Has he no conscience?”
>>> 
>>>Comments – You may be the one best fit to asked him that question when next you see him. He is in a better position to answer your question. Anyone else answering question about conscience for another will be simply, conjecture(s), guess work.
>>> 
>>>You asked,
>>>“Don't you think that someone amongst you has wrongly carried this propaganda against Ike Nwachukwu simply because the man served on the Federal side as a senior military officer during the war?” 
>>> 
>>>Comments – It is not propaganda but rather aggrieved brothers and sisters cries based on documented facts. He has not denied the role(s) he played but justified them, he may have. And it is not “simply because he served on the Federal side as a senior military officer during the war” but that, he could have still used that position to save the lives senselessly massacred.
>>> 
>>>Emeka, remember that Chief Obi Nwali, your fellow Ikwerre iconic man was murdered for holding and asserting publicly that he was an Igbo and thumbing his nose at those Ikwerre like you that rejected their Igbo ethnicity. Imagine that it is documented he fought with Ndi-Igbo in the killings of Ikwerre sons and daughters. Well; knowing you this analogy my not ring true to you.
>>> 
>>>Cheers.
>>> 
>>>Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>From:TalkN...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkN...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chukwuemeka Okala
>>>Sent: March-20-14 10:22 AM
>>>To: africanw...@googlegroups.com; dr.o...@ebonypages.com; 'Ikenna Okonkwo'; 'okonkwo...@googlegroups.com'
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>>>Subject: [TalkNigeria] Re: [africanworldforum] RE: THE GENERAL IKE NWACHUKWU THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>>It is absolutely hard to believe that General Ike Nwachukwu, a fine, patriotic and very intelligent gentleman would agree to turn the gun against his kith and kin under any circumstances during the senseless civil war. Impossible!
>>> 
>>>I would advise that you guys devote more time to properly investigate all the allegations leveled against General Ike Nwachukwu before you kill one of your brightest brothers and father for nothing.
>>> 
>>>I'm driven by your (our brothers of Igbo extraction in the cyberspace) antecedents to have serious reservations about all the stinkers you have written unbridled against this fine gentleman, by the name of Gen. Ike Nwachukwu, who has served Nigeria meritoriously in many notable capacities. Examples:
>>> 
>>>You have said many unprintable things -- I mean blatant lies against the person of late Chief Obafemi Awolowo about the unfortunate civil war and you continue to say them till today for propaganda purposes. You have peddled multifarious lies against the person of late Prof. Sam Aluko about the war. You accused him of nonexistent roles that you said he played during the war and you compel yourselves to believe in your own lies. And you now hate him for no just cause. You have even extended that undeserved hatred to his son Prof. Bolaji Aluko by hammering on a role he never played against Igbo students in Howard where he was a HOD. You have vilified my people and propagated many unprintable lies against us - Ikwerre ethnic nationality and our relationship with you -- Igbo ethnic nationality. And you continue to tell your lies and compel yourselves to believe in them till today. The examples are endless. 
>>> 
>>>You (I mean those of you that belong to e-groups) have a gang-up mentality that makes you too gullible and vulnerable to fall for cheap propaganda with no room for benefit of doubt or a consideration for investigation. Too bad!
>>> 
>>>If General Ike Nwachukwu were as bad as you want the world to believe, do you think that your fathers, brothers and sisters at home would nominate him to lead the Igbo team for the national conference? Do you think they would elect him Senator once upon a time to represent a senatorial zone in your ethnic nationality? Do you think he, himself, would bring himself forward for an election that would need the votes of his kith and kin? Has he no conscience? Don't you think that someone amongst you has wrongly carried this propaganda against Ike Nwachukwu simply because the man served on the Federal side as a senior military officer during the war? 
>>> 
>>>You may be surprised to know that, though he was a Nigerian officer during the war, he may not have killed any of his kinsmen or been instrumental to the killing of his brothers and sisters. You may find out that he did the opposite instead. Why not investigate first?
>>> 
>>>Until, otherwise, the contrary is proved, I find it absolutely difficult to believe your allegations against General Ike Nwachukwu. The man is too good to do what you say he did!
>>> 
>>>Emeka Reuben Okala
>>>London, UK
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On Thursday, 20 March 2014, 11:18, MIKE OKIGBO <ote-nk...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I endorse this presentation with all my heart . And to add that during the war General Ike Nwachukwu bore Omar Sanda to hide his identity. Similarly , Theophilus Danjuma , changed his name to Yakubu Danjuma during the war and reverted to Theophilus after the
genocidal war.
>>> 
>>>The intention of all these name changers was to help mobilise the Arab world and Cameroun under  Ahmadu Ahidjo against the infidel Biafrans. And so the Governor (a christian) of the Camerounian state that shares border with Eastern Region was removed for expressing
sympathy for the plight of Ndigbo . This paved the way for the effective blockade of Biafra. And the Arab pilots , mostly Egyptians and Syrians, were secured to bomb women and children at Biafran Market places.
>>> 
>>>Do not forget that Yakubu Gowon sounds like a moslem name and the Arabs thought he was a moslem fighting a jihad.
>>> 
>>>Ike Nwachukwu's father was not married to a member of Arewa royal family. He married a slave of the royal family.
>>> 
>>>otenkwu 
>>>From: mailto:dr.o...@ebonypages.com
>>>To: bioko...@gmail.com; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com
>>>CC: idu...@googlegroups.com
>>>Subject: RE: THE GENERAL IKE NWACHUKWU THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 22:26:24 -0400
>>>Mazi Ogbonna,
>>> 
>>>I admire your passion and dedication but not your candor in your defense of General Ike Omar Sanda Nwachukwu.  The candor in your defense is questionable to me because your entire presentation appears to be a total distraction from the core issue (concern) raised by those of us who are offended and insulted by having him as the leader of the Igbo delegates to the national conference.  In your thesis below, you frequently used offensive and derogatory words such as jealousy, envy, hate, crab mentality, internet tigers, etc, to address those of us who have voiced out serious concerns about the character of General Nwachukwu and his loyalty/patriotism regarding the collective interest of Ndi Igbo.  That makes your defense of General Nwachukwu  to sound hollow – my poinion.
>>> 
>>>The core question is this:  What role did General Ike Omar Sanda Nwachukwu play in the cold blooded massacre of about 700 innocent Asaba men, women and children and their burial in a mass grave in September of 1967?  Some of us including myself who participated in the Biafra struggle are still living today and the pain of the Asaba genocide is still ever fresh in our memories.  Dancing around this crucial question in an effort to sell General Nwachukwu to us as a loyal and patriotic Igbo leader, is rather offensive to me.
>>> 
>>>I have no issues with where he  was born or by whom because that was not a decision he made by himself.  You cannot hold his genealogy against him.  However, just like everyone of us, he is accountable and responsible  for the choices and decisions he made as a human being.  He cannot join in shedding  innocent Igbo blood at a time when it was fashionable in Nigeria to do so, and now that Igbos have survived the holocaust, he is being exulted as an Igbo leader by those who care nothing and know nothing about the millions of Igbo lives lost in our struggle to stop Igbo haters in Nigerian form erasing Igbos from the face of the earth.  
>>> 
>>>Did he help Muritala Mohamed in killing and burying about 700 Asaba people in a mass grave? What role did he play in the Asabe genocide?  General Ike Omar Sanda Nwachukwu cannot have it both ways. He needs to come clean and apologize to Ndi-Igbo.  Yes, we know that to err is human but to acknowledge your error and to apologize to your victim is noble and pacifying. To switch sides (jump ship) and parade himself as a leader of those he shed their blood and helped to crush, is very arrogant in my view.
>>> 
>>>General Ike Omar Sanda Nwachukwu was appointed the military Governor of Imo State under Buhari at a time when Igbos were trying to recover from the trauma of the 3-year war. It was military rule at that time and Igbos had no voice and were not in a position to question the status quo.  Right after the war, Mazi Agwu Okpanku, was arrested for publishing an editorial titled “Killing Biafra” in the East Central State news paper called the Renaissance, in which he questioned the motives of General Gowon in changing the name of the body of water south of Port Harcourt from the Birth of Biafra to whatever the mane is now.  After his arrest, Igbos in Nigeia got the message that they should be seen and not heard. We practically lived in fear and our Igbo daughters became toys in the hands of Nigerian soldiers who raped them, got them pregnant and abandoned them with babies.
>>> 
>>>My personal opinion is that General Nwachukwu rose to the positions he had because Igbos were too afraid to question his background at the time, coupled with the fact that the Nigerian government he fought for during the war had the power to reward him after the war.  That explains why he became the Senator of Imo State, Federal Minister, Governor of Imo State, etc.  If it were to be now that Igbos are no longer afraid to ask questions, General Nwachukwu would not have risen to those positions.  So, Mazi Ogbonna, don’t confuse your readers with the military and political appointments and even the elected positions held by General Nwachukwu.
>>> 
>>>While we were trying to pick up the pieces of what was left of our wrecked lives after the war, General Ike Omar Sanda Nwachukwu was busy reaping the rewards of his betrayal of the Igbos.  Now in his old age, he appears to love being pictured and seen in public in his Igbo red cap to depict him as patriotic and loyal Igbo leader.  General Nwacwukwu may have marveled and dazzled people like you, Mazi Ogbonna, with the positions he held.  However, none of that will ever wash away from his hands, the innocent blood of his brothers and sister - unless his hands are clean. If he participated in killing the Asaba Igbos, all he has to do is to come clean and apologize to Ndi-Igbo. Mazi Ogbonna, if you love him so much and want him to lord over us as an Igbo leader, then advise him to come clean and apologize. Anything short of that is just adding salt to the injury.  There are certain things you cannot wash away with convoluted big grammar, such as the
blood of the innocent especially when it is the blood of your own people.
>>> 
>>>Mazi Ogbonna, tell me this, if the northerners with the help of General Ike Omar Sanda Nwachukwu, had succeeded in wiping Igbos away from Nigeria (ethnic cleansing, holocaust, genocide) the way they had intended in 1966, where will General Nwachukwu find the Igbos to lead today?  We succeeded in resisting the Igbo holocaust by General Nwachukwu and his Nigerian army, the British government, Russian government and the Arab countries. Our strong and prolonged resistance is the reason that we have Igbos left today for him to lead. Mazi Ogbonna, do you get it?  Don’t call it jealousy, envy, hatred, crab mentality or any of your derogatory distractions.  Don’t even try to bring in Zik, Ojukwu or Okpara into your parallel and comparison because that will be an insult to the precious memories of those illustrious sons of Ana-Igbo.  After Judas betrayed Jesus, how can you bring him back to lead the 12 apostles?  After Cain murdered his brother Abel,
how can you imagine him sharing in the linage of Adam?  After Absalom tried to overthrow his father, King David, by assassination, how could he partake in the kingdom, even if he had survived?
>>> 
>>>Sorry to say this but your thesis below is convoluted with lots of symbolisms without substance.  You want us to forget the past and face the future.  That may sound good but, what future can anyone have without the past?  Have you ever wondered why they teach history as a

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Agreed! Please leave Awolowo to rest. He remains the only Nigerian leader that left positive legacy for his people! 

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You will seek one kind of public office or the other in Igbo land one day. You will make a good candidate --especially given your various comments that are now on record.

 

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"The best you can do should be wash your hands clean and step out of the bad omen of the devilish Awo whom I believe is in hell fire. If Ike Nwachukwu is guilty, he should not represent Ndi Igbo and let a core Igbo son lead Igbo in both national conference and other levels. Gen Ike Nwachukwu will not lead us for now until he is cleared of the charges against him simple." . . . . Sir Ugo G.C.Umunnakwe
 
This Ugo is living in a different world from all of us. To him, General Ike Nwachukwu is not leading Ndigbo "for now". Nwachukwu is only leading Ndigbo delegation to the national conference! No wonder Ugo believes "Awo is in hell fire". I am sure he believes Ojukwu is at the right hand side of God Almighty, Ojukwu who would rather see Igbo children and women die of starvation (for propaganda purpose) instead of allowing food and medicine to be transported through Nigeria/Red Cross negotiated Federal troops controlled route, to feed biafran civilians and not rebel soldiers!
 
Ugo, that Ike Nwachukwu continues to be the bona fide Leader of Ndigbo at the National Conference is an indication that the generality of Ndigbo and Ndigbo leadership have left people like you behind. This is hoping you will catch up with them when you wake up from your dreamland.
 
Ayo Ojutalayo


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Mr. Ezebuihe:
Your inherent threat is noted. Underscores a major reason why Igboland continues to lag behind: those who speak up and dare challenge the enduring legacy of ignoring the true needs of the Igbos are effectively silenced.  For your information Mr. Ezebuihe: you DO NOT have any say and will not have such say in who leads in Igboland. Your illusion will nonetheless remain since it serves your ego within your enclave and will sadly remain as you wither. Unfortunately for your likes, (fortunate for the Igbos,) future Igbos are not eager to perpetrate your narrow-minded and antiquated view of the world for they already know that similar views only led them to the current quagmire!

 Joe

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You will seek one kind of public office or the other in Igbo land one day. You will make a good candidate --especially given your various comments that are now on record.

 

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Hey, Mister Joseph Onuorah,  what is wrong with me recommending you ahead of time for a public office of your choice in Igbo land? I'm just being my brother's keeper; thats all.
Just keep up the good work, and you will be fine and dandy.
 
Brotherly,
 
Collins Ezebuihe.
 



 
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"For your information Mr. Ezebuihe: you DO NOT have any say and will not have such say in who leads in Igboland. Your illusion will nonetheless remain since it serves your ego within your enclave and will sadly remain as you wither. Unfortunately for your likes, (fortunate for the Igbos,) future Igbos are not eager to perpetrate your narrow-minded and antiquated view of the world for they already know that similar views only led them to the current quagmire!" . . . .  Joe Onuorah

Truth is bitter, but it is the truth! And truth is constant no matter what.

Ayo Ojutalayo


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Over and out.

 
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Yes, and truth will always drive lies and half-truths "over and out"!!!


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Awo's legacy is the legacy of Mass Starvation of the Igbo people .. plus he died like a poisoned rat just like MKO Abiola.


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Yes, and truth will always drive lies and half-truths "over and out"!!!


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Over and out.

 
"For your information Mr. Ezebuihe: you DO NOT have any say and will not have such say in who leads in Igboland. Your illusion will nonetheless remain since it serves your ego within your enclave and will sadly remain as you wither. Unfortunately for your likes, (fortunate for the Igbos,) future Igbos are not eager to perpetrate your narrow-minded and antiquated view of the world for they already know that similar views only led them to the current quagmire!" . . . .  Joe Onuorah

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Ojukwu was a sell-out, who followed Gov Peter Obi (the man who ordered shoot-to-kill of unarmed MASSOB members) about like a "woman wrapper", who in his last days said "I always wanted to be a Nigerian", who flattered area boy motor-park tout OBJ by calling him Omo-Oba, and who endorsed IBB (one of Nigeria's most notorious bastards) for presidency. Ojukwu became a peace envoy for Nigeria .. told Gadaffi (Head of State of Libya & former Chairman of the AU) to "please shut up", when Gadaffi spoke of the peaceful dissolution of Nigeria, which according to Awolowo was " a mere geographical expression".


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Alagba Ayo,
It is only people like Ugo G. Ummunnakwe (yeye 'Sir", oghini Sir, sef?) who can enjoy to speak evil of the dead! But since he's able to see hell from the Nigeria-hellish condition he's in, coupled with the fact that he is bound for hell, he will surely be surprised to find Pa Awolowo missing from there.
And tomorrow he will be at church kneeling down to take the Sacrament, gosh!, what a people!

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