Re: Ethnicity, bane of Nigeria’s development –Falola

[olaka...@aol.com]

OJ:

To be candid, I have no clues about how to solve
the problem of tribalism which is so ingrained in
our cultural upbringing, except my suggestion
about the hope that things might start improving
in this regard when the over 50s amongst Nigerians
die off.

This suggestion might have had it subconscious origins
from my being a pathologist by profession. We pathologists are the diagnosticians
in the medical field. We let our clinical colleagues do the healing
part, even though we end up telling them the TRUTH when all
is over and done with.

More realistically, I believe each and every adult Nigerian could do his or her own
bit by following some of the following steps:

a) discountenance all old prejudices about all other ethnic or sub ethnic groups.

b) deal with each Nigerian as an individual and not necessarily as a representative
of his or her ethnic group as all ethnic groups have good and bad citizens among
their peoples.

c) avoid speaking badly about other ethnic groups at the dinner tables in the presence
of our children as this is the way tribal prejudices are passed one from generation
to the other. In fact shut your mouth if you have nothing good to say about a stranger.

d) let the children know that tribalism, just like racism has its roots in the irrational
fear and ignorance about those whose ways and cultural practices do not know very well,

e) stress the similarities between all Nigerian ethnic groups and those that ee share with
all other human beings

f) promote (do not oppose) inter ethnic marriages between young adults; the more they mix up
the gene pool the less their children feel obligated to feel that they are superior to other ethnic groups

g) government leaders should define and promote those positive things that bind Nigerians.
they should walk the talk in this regard

h) promote the teaching of non native languages in different regions of Nigerians in addition to English,
French and the local languages

i) Etc. etc. etc.

Bye,

Ola

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Ola,

 

We know the problem and its effects, but what is the solution?

OJ

 

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Bisola:

I couldn't agree more with Prof. Falola

The unfortunate reality is that this bane (the primitive tribalistic tendencies)
to our national development would probably remain
so until the generation of Nigerians over 50 (including myself)
live out gloriously into our old age and die off as we must.

The younger generations of Nigerians must take the gauntlet and redirect
the trajectory of Nigeria into a more progressive path. We live in a global village,
in which national boundaries are disappearing in favor of the formation of trade zones
and economic unions such as the EU etc, yet some Nigerians remain obsessed
with the idea erecting ethnic walls between her peoples.

If this trajectory does not change  the nation that we know as Federal Republic of Nigeria
is doomed!

The only worse scenario is that the component ethnic groups
that make up Nigeria are in an even greater predicament as none, including
the large and small ethnicities can stand alone, regardless of the rhetoric
in this regard by the secessionists!

Bye,

Ola

 

 

 

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Ethnicity, bane of Nigeria’s development –Falola

 

August 18, 2015 : Charles Abah

 

 

Notable historian, Prof. Toyin Falola, has warned that Nigeria will not develop fully with the continued sentiment its citizens attach ethnicity.

According to Falola, ethnicity has become “a well-entrenched bias” expressed by many Nigerians.

 

Falola, who teaches History at the University of Texas, United States, stated this while delivering the 50th anniversary lecture of the History department of the University of Lagos.

In a paper entitled “Ethnicity: Its Organ and Intestine”, the academic noted that ethnicity had become embedded in the psyches of Nigerians that it would be difficult to wipe it out from their consciousness.

 

An average Nigerian, according to him, sees himself more as first belonging to his ethnic cleavage before being a Nigerian.

 

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The historian, who said that the development was affecting the nation’s development negatively, noted that it had also affected its resource distribution and power equation.

 

He added, “In Nigeria, contestation for power by political gladiators in the nation’s political space has further accentuated the problem associated with ethnicity. The choice made by voters is mainly driven by the concern for how a given political party will serve the interest of a given ethnic nationality rather than the collective good of Nigeria. This trend presupposes that the electorate will most likely form, organise and identify with any political platform that tends to accentuate and perpetuate their quest to dominate others.”

 

The Head of the department, Prof. Olufunke Adeboye, who spoke to journalists on the sidelines of the lecture, noted that the department had, in the last 50 years, adapted to the reality of global trends in carrying out its mandate.

 

She said, “You don’t expect that we have to be where we were 50 years ago today. We have adapted to the reality of global trends in the way we carry out our mandate. For instance, we had to change the name of the department from being Department of History to Department of History and Strategic Studies to cope with global trends which emphasis the need to bring a diverse focus to the study of history.

 

“Owing to the improvement in the course module for the areas of studies that we have had to focus on, the calibre of students that come to study here range from security agents to policy makers who have fund the courses very attractive thus enriching the pool of our alumni base.”

 

 

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Dr Kassim,
You may recollect that JUI proposed the “Ape-Adam” theory of origin here once; but some people either smiled and waved JUI off while some others didn’t even understand it. The Ape-Adam theory of evolution is anchored on the following scientific and philosophical facts:

1.      The Early Man was REAL! Whether (s)he was created [religion] or he evolved from a higher Ape [orthodox science], the Early Man was crude, uncivilized, unsophisticated, had poor knowledge of the world and universe, was at the mercy of the elements of nature, and had to learn and acquire knowledge by trial and error and experience. FACT!

2.      The Ape-Adam theory of human origin allows us to walk from the known to the unknown; that is, first, follow the development and progress of Man from the crude Early Man we know about and how he becomes the modern man; second, use scientific, mythical and religious information to guide our imagination in charting a path to where the Early Man could come from. The Evolutionists will tell us here that, if Man was created, he would have had all the knowledge and experience to survive right away, without having to learn and acquire experience to survive, adapt and advance biosocially; and as a matter of fact, the Evolutionists believe that man is still evolving biosocially; but the Creationists will argue that the Superior intellect of Man that enabled him to learn, experience, create and innovate to survive and advance biosocially was Divinely endowed! After all, how many new strains of the homo sapiens species have been generated from Apes since the last 10,000 years of human history? You can take any argument you like! Hahaha!!

Then point here is that, considering the crudity of Man’s origin(s), it means that before you generate the sophisticated and civilized humans in any society, they will necessarily undergo a period of sanctification, education, and biosocial evolution in general. After all, the Israelites had to spend 40 years roaming the wilderness, in order to purge the people of debased, corrupted and biased generation before reaching the Promised Land!
Nigeria has already existed in a larval state for over 50 years without shedding tribalism; let’s give it another 50 years because it appears that a full century of catharsis may be needed to rid the nation of the generation of ethnicists and tribalists holding her from evolving into a true nation. Take care. JUI
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[John Ebohon]

Ola,

 

Agreed, concerted efforts are needed to overcome our problems. The question I have is whether it is impossible to build our problems into policies and strategies to move us forward? I very much like the pathology example you gave in that many assumptions are made before reaching conclusions as to what is thought the problems could be that will eventually inform your advice to those who would use them for possible solutions.

 

Are we really saying that these problems do not exist, maybe not to the same degree, in other advanced countries? In other words, are we using these problems we have identified, as excuses to cover much more deeper inadequacies on our part to move the country forward? In other words, how can we make tribalism or ethnic consciousness work for the country. How are countries such as Belgium and Canada able to function with their avowed ethnic consciousness? How can we make corruption work for the country, how are countries such as Italy and Japan able to provide basic services, not to talk about being amongst the leading industrial nations yet saddled with corruption. Is it not the inability to build our problems into policies and strategies rather than the problems themselves that remain the problem?

 

Ola, if the States in Nigeria are able to utilise just 30 percent of what they receive from the Federal Government on their people, we would not be having this discussion. The States receive  little above 48 percent of total revenue that accrue to the Federal Government, yet where we always seem to be able to beam our touch light is on the Federal level and not the States. If we can have just 10 States working to the desires of the people, just 10 States out of the 36 States, Nigeria will be stabilised beyond our wildest dreams.

 

The reasons for creating the States is to try and avoid issues of ethnicity, regionalism, and tribalism; in so doing bring government closer to the people. For the same reason we created local governments but look at the tribalism and ethnic consciousness that greeted the creation of these organs, particularly local governments. It is very difficult to expect people not to be conscious of these, when the system they operate under dictates so.

 

One thing that I have noticed over the years is that when we are enacting laws, formulating policies and strategies to move us forward, as country, we tend to leave out the fundamentals hoping to deal with these at a later stage.

 

What do we want, development of Nigeria I suppose? Is there anything wrong in working with the groupings that people have voluntarily created and associated – AREWA, Oodua, Biafra, South-South, and devolve tax raising powers to these regions and be tasked to formulate their policies and strategies to move their blocs forward. Federal resources will be allocated to these blocks and let them solve their problems, this way, these hue and cry about tribalism and ethnicity will subside. This is just crying out loud for further contributions not to invite bitterness or cause any controversy.

OJ       

 

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[Vin Otuonye]

Ola:
 
But it wasn't like this before. Say for example in the 40s, 50s and maybe early 60s. If it was not like this before, the question is what went wrong, when did things go wrong and what caused things to go wrong? This may be the starting point.
 
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye
 

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[Nowa Omoigui]

The twin evils of Corruption AND Tribalism have always been with us. It was just a matter of degree and counter-measures in the system, increasingly worse with the departure of the colonial rulers and the deteriorating economic situation

We are basically a tribal society, so matter how much perfume we spray on the topic. Corruption, the world over, is worse in times of economic hardship

Read Colonial intelligence reports from way way back. You may be embarrassed to know what they thought of our forefathers, althou

Regards


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Thereason it was not like this was that there were more than enough to go round in the 60s and 70s. If you were coming out of any University in Nigeria then you have at least four jobs waiting for you to choose from. But as opportunities became smaller to non existing, many people use race as a strong weapon to get job and political positions.

gad

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Ola:

But it wasn't like this before. Say for example in the 40s, 50s and maybe early 60s. If it was not like this before, the question is what went wrong, when did things go wrong and what caused things to go wrong? This may be the starting point.

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye



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[Oke Osisi " Common Sense, Uncommon Knowledge "]

Vin, 

Without you being in existense in the 40s, and of age in the 50s, how could you have known the degree and level of tribalism? You could speak of when you became cognizance of Nigerian governmental practices, politics and interrelationship. How much do you know of the pre-civil war Nigerian political parties: NCNC, UPGA, etc?  How much do you know about Awolowo's political behavior in the 60s? The nature of his behavior towards Nnamdi Azikiwe and the Igbos? How much do you know about Akintola, Tafawa Belewa, Sarduana of Sokoto, etc?  What do you think brought about the Nigerian/Biafran civil war?  

Surfice it to say that tribalism has always been a part of our nation; it has been there with us. It became more pronounced with the advent and decent of the civil war. Moreover, most Nigerians became aware of their system with their exposure to America and European nations, along with the advent of world wide web.

Could tribalism be contained, given positive legislation and time?, "Yes ".  Any day Nigeria becomes serious and move to promulgate legislation that will provide for citizens to vote and be voted for, to any political office, to include the position of governor/senator, in any part of the nation one resides, Nigeria from that day would be taking strong steps at containing tribalism; thus advancing and promoting inter-tribal relationships. 

Oke Osisi

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Ola:
 
But it wasn't like this before. Say for example in the 40s, 50s and maybe early 60s. If it was not like this before, the question is what went wrong, when did things go wrong and what caused things to go wrong? This may be the starting point.
 
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye
 

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Notable historian, Prof. Toyin Falola, has warned that Nigeria will not develop fully with the continued sentiment its citizens attach ethnicity.

According to Falola, ethnicity has become “a well-entrenched bias” expressed by many Nigerians.

 

Falola, who teaches History at the University of Texas, United States, stated this while delivering the 50th anniversary lecture of the History department of the University of Lagos.

In a paper entitled “Ethnicity: Its Organ and Intestine”, the academic noted that ethnicity had become embedded in the psyches of Nigerians that it would be difficult to wipe it out from their consciousness.

 

An average Nigerian, according to him, sees himself more as first belonging to his ethnic cleavage before being a Nigerian.

 

ADVERTISEMENT

The historian, who said that the development was affecting the nation’s development negatively, noted that it had also affected its resource distribution and power equation.

 

He added, “In Nigeria, contestation for power by political gladiators in the nation’s political space has further accentuated the problem associated with ethnicity. The choice made by voters is mainly driven by the concern for how a given political party will serve the interest of a given ethnic nationality rather than the collective good of Nigeria. This trend presupposes that the electorate will most likely form, organise and identify with any political platform that tends to accentuate and perpetuate their quest to dominate others.”

 

The Head of the department, Prof. Olufunke Adeboye, who spoke to journalists on the sidelines of the lecture, noted that the department had, in the last 50 years, adapted to the reality of global trends in carrying out its mandate.

 

She said, “You don’t expect that we have to be where we were 50 years ago today. We have adapted to the reality of global trends in the way we carry out our mandate. For instance, we had to change the name of the department from being Department of History to Department of History and Strategic Studies to cope with global trends which emphasis the need to bring a diverse focus to the study of history.

 

“Owing to the improvement in the course module for the areas of studies that we have had to focus on, the calibre of students that come to study here range from security agents to policy makers who have fund the courses very attractive thus enriching the pool of our alumni base.”

 

 

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[afis]

Azikwe fucked Nigeria up! I before others, IBO. No brainer! Afis Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

[Vin Otuonye]

Afis:
 
Why do you like to lie? Azikiwe sacrificed a lot for Nigeria. How can you say he fucked Nigeria? If Azikiwe wanted, he could easily have been the Prime Minister. He could have teemed up with Awolowo to form the government. But Azikiwe wanted to get the North in. Afis, truth is good for you soul, you know. Azikiwe is still respected and worshipped more than any politician in Nigeria. If there's any true Nigerian, anyone we can call the father of modern Nigeria, Azikiwe is. That's why public buildings and monuments are named after him.
 
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[Ezeana Igirigi]

Afis:

Azikiwe must have been a giant that he was to have successfully fucked up Nigeria of 160 million people. I take off my hat to him. Not a single person out of the160 million knew how to stop him from fucking up the country Nigeria? Zik. Wherever you are, I salute you. 

Look here Afis. What do you think Shekau is doing to Nigeria with Boko Haram? Fucking up Nigeria and no one is stopping him. After Shekau is through fucking up Nigeria and is dead and buried, here come Afis to moan, Shekau fucked up Nigeria. Afis. You have opportunities now to stop Shekau as you and yours had when Zik was fucking up Nigeria. 

Afis. Do you now see how stupid you are? Why you are not fit to be buried with the Oba of Ife? Why you are going to be fed to vultures under my supervision sooner than you think?

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha aKa Onyeukwu 

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[Ezeana Igirigi]

Nwanna:

Why argue with a fool not even fit to be buried alive with Oba. Use the fool's own statements to silence the idiot. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim

Odi-Isaa

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[Michael Afolayan]

I agree absolutely that Nigeria will NEVER develop as long as ethnicity is the basis for apportioning rights. Nothing could be deadlier than basing any form of development of a people on the so-called "national character," whatever that means. When Buhari made ten or so appointments a short while ago and people cried "foul" because the bulk of his appointments came from the north, my question was "so what?" My own concern would always be whether or not those appointees would be able to move our nation from the slums to the mountaintop. When people accused the governor of my state of Osun (Aregbesola) of bringing the bulk of his commissioners from Lagos and not directly from the different sub-groups within the home base, I asked, "so what? Would they be able to take our state from where it is to where it ought to be?" My concern would be when a leader blindly appoints personnel or apportions access to developments based purely on ethnicy. It is then that the notion of equality unjustfiably overrides equity and the society is bond to wallow in ignorance and under-development. Ola's eight-point proposal sounds so appealing to me, and I hope we can all latch on to the proposal because as long as ethnicity constitutes our M.O., we sit on the edge of a bottomless chasm as a people. I hope this not the case for us.

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[afis]

 Vin Otuonye, you don't really know "foku" about Nigeria.

Azikwe was a "cash and carry" politician.

He accepted the post of a ceremonial Head of government out of spite, not for Unity.

That was the first step he took to fuck up the foundation of Nigeria.

Awo proposed cutting up all the regions and creating more states so that most of the old tribal powers could have control of their areas and sense of independence, but still parts of a nation. 

However, Azikwe joined hands with Sardauna to create ONLY one more region and divided the West, again out of spite, not for the Unity of Nigeria.

Azikwe ran away after teaming up with the North to ignite Chaos in Yorubaland as North and East tried to steal elections in the West. 

Azikwe decided to come back from his AWOL in Jamaica, his plane ran out of fuel, and right there and then Azikwe sold out the Igbos, by negotiating his price on Lagos Airport Tarmac, before he could publicly support Gowon's One Nigeria plot.

Azikwe failed Nigeria, and Nigeria had never been the same again!

Shikena

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[Vin Otuonye]

Afis:

Now I know I have always been right when I say you're Olodo. 

We now have Awo's wish for more states and where has that led us? We are more divided with more states than we are without more states.  

However,  I am not blaming Awo. If we had remained as three or four regions, some groups, especially the minority groups will still be demanding for more states. 

The truth is Zik is simply ahead of his time and unfortunately he wasn't dealing with nationalistic politicians but ethnic minded politicians. 

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[Afis 'Deinde]

"We now have Awo's wish for more states and where has that led us? We are more divided with more states than we are without more states."..........Vin Otuonye.

Afis comment:  Vin Otuonye, you are too typical an Igbo. 

You Cannot pay attention to details. 

This is what I wrote: "Awo proposed cutting up all the regions and creating more states so that most of the old tribal powers could have control of their areas and sense of independence, but still parts of a nation.".......END.

Right now the States are not autonomous.

A real Federalism, that was Awo's vision. It has to be done right. Like Yoruba says "Do it as it is supposed to be done, so that its outcome will look as the real thing."

Nigeria is not practicing Federalism. Dividing the country into states is the first baby-steps to true federalism.

The States that can't control Police, States that run to the center before they can pay salaries.

A true federated state must control its police, health system, intra-waterways, control most of its resources........South Carolina started drilling oil, even when Obama opposed fracking. That's federalism.

Ilesha under Osun, has gold but for long they could not mine. 

Okitipupa under Ondo has bitumen, for some long time they couldn't touch it. In a Federal system?

The train system by Jakande, who stopped it.......Federal govt.

That was not Awo's vision of Autonomy among States and federal.

Vin, your Nigeria is full of half baked Humans that love to do things half baked and then tell themselves they are done.

Awo's vision was hijacked, and turned into one-quarter-federalism and half-centralism and one-quarter-anarchism. 

When you have over-educated, over-pompous Theorists calling themselves Elite, well nothing good can come out such people.

Nothing good.

Shikena

Afis

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[Vin Otuonye]

Afis:

Please don't say it's my Nigeria. It's you and Joseph Igietseme Nigeria. When I told you to support Jonathan not necessarily because I agree with him but for the simple reason that his reelection will lead to the implementation of the constitutional conference report, you all went for Buhari.  Now we have Buhari,  deal with it. 

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye

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From: Afis 'Deinde <odide...@gmail.com>
Date:08/19/2015 6:09 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: Ethnicity, bane of Nigeria’s development –Falola

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[Afis 'Deinde]

Vin Otuonye, you know GEJ is not useful to Nigerians and is not reliable to kickstart the economy, or is any Nigerian (except Igbo and Ijaws) find him strong enough to bring true federalism to fruition........GEJ is as politically useful to Nigeria as a used toilet tissue.

GEJ is a Thief, a looter, and someone who told the world that Stealing is not Corruption.

The election is not about Buhari's competence, to me it is about GEJ's incompetence and penchant for Daylight Looting.

You are not the only one that was against Buhari, I brought out reasons why he was NOT my candidate.

However GEJ is worse than anybody, including any goat or stray dog.

Realistically, Buhari is an Islamist, I already told everyone many times, and brought out evidence and all. But GEJ is not a leader, he's just a Thief and must go, he's useless.

About the Constitutional Conference: Yoruba people are too savvy to fall for political gimmicks. Afenifeya people's tricks did not work on Yoruba. They asked GEJto give them something to show Yoruba, so a Wuruwuru Confab was organized, and Lagos/Ibadan highway is going to be fixed like the 2nd Niger bridge. 

Also, in the documents presented to GEJ on the conclusion of the Confab, we heard Igbos are going to have about ten states. One in Delta, Another around Asaba, and four around Igboland.

And you think any right thinking Yoruba will stoop that low to vote for GEJ?

It wasn't about how good people fooled themselves on Buhari would be, I don't fool myself that Buhari did it as a military man therefore he would perform wonders as civilian.........what did it for me was knowing how rotten GEJ was.

Shikena,

Afis

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[rotfash]

"When I told you to support Jonathan not necessarily because I agree with him but for the simple reason that his reelection will lead to the implementation of the constitutional conference report, you all went for Buhari. "...... Vin Otuonye

Vin Otuonye:

Your excerpted statement above is undoubtedly a faux pas.

Let me submit to you that the greatest good that happened to Nigeria, in recent times, was the defeat of Jonathan at the March 28, 2015 election. His reelection would have spelt doom for Nigeria. 

Jonathan, as an embodiment of deception, purposely congregated anarchists, nihilists and separatists together to discuss Nigeria with an initial no-holds-barred marching order. He later forbade them on areas they should not deliberate on; no one in this assembly had the testicular fortitude to throw in the towel because a N7billion budget was at stake!

The head of confused coupists, who had attempted forced excise of some Nigerian states in the 90's, was at the epicenter of Jonathan's arrangement.

A SW group, comprising mainly of people with no electoral value but selfish interest, was appointed to cater for the region's ethnic desire. In all, the conference was an assemblage of almost 500 Nigerians, all appointed and none elected! The pretenders among us still beleive that such a conference is legitimate enough to chart a meaningful future for Nigeria? Of sorer infernal gusto was the belief that Jonathan should be trusted to implement the report of such talk shop. The ludicrous content of such expectation often decompartmentalizes me! There is a better way to call a nation the community of fools! A Jonathan that arm twisted his party into abandoning its own zoning arrangement in 2010? A Jonathan that coerced all segments of his party into adopting him as the sole candidate for the 2015 election? Truly, he showed that Abacha's five-party adoption could be improved upon!

If you have clear-headed trust in your excerpted statement, you may bring up (for discussion) the aspects of the report that you believe are implementable. It is sheer illusion for anyone to think that Jonathan's election winning endeavour was meant to redress Nigeria's debilitating challenges. A conference that had no legal framework for its existence? It was lord Denning who said that you can not erect something on nothing and expect it to stand. 

The Jonathan confab had no legal foundation! The implementation of its report could not have been done with straightforward ease. Jonathan knew that if he won the election, the report would gather dust on the shelf in the  presidency. If he lost, his successor would find it unimplementable. Either way, the report is nothing but a product of an endeavour conceived in chicanery and executed with profligate indulgence. Is it any surprise that PMB has fittingly refused to disrupt the dusk-gathering newtonian status of that piece of rubbish?

 The Jonathan administration spent huge resources hiring noise makers for the purpose of drumming up support for the confab. It is little wonder that we made so much under Jonathan with so little to show for it. Jonathan even sponsored literary assaults on his adversaries through some of his lackeys. Under Jonathan, Nigeria bled because of leadership-supervised indiscretions. It is therefore an act of great disservice to be reminded of one of those indiscretions.

Thank you.

Rotimi Fashakin.

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[daniel Akusobi]

And Jonathan was a graffiti on our presidencies by every measure possible. The Confab was a 419 , Mba mmiri style and we fell for it.
Dan

[asu...@gmail.com]

The confab was a deceitful tool to foist GEJ re-election on Nigerians. The confab came at a time all most our tertiary institution were shutdown and money was scarce to implement people oriented programs. 

Come to think of it, if the constitution of Nigeria cannot be implemented abinitio how can confab report assume higher status than the constitution. In any case good report can be implemented by any good government not necessarily the one who originate it.

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From: daniel Akusobi Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 5:55 AM To: rotfash Cc: develop...@googlegroups.com; okonkwo...@googlegroups.com; africanworld; Vin Otuonye

[Okoi Ofem Obono-Obla]

Rotimi, so you still have time to engage these benighted,confused and deranged anarchists!

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[Nelson Ekujumi]

Egbon Fashakin,  Don't even go there, Jonathan’s confab was conceived in perfidy by the cabal which held him hostage, as a tool to hoodwink the South West who were at the forefront of the battle for true federalism to vote for him at the 2015 general elections, but the people saw through the deceit and fraud and did accordingly, so there was no way for Jonathan who is unaware of anything to implement what he knows nothing about, hence the conference ended in the same perfidy and like we say, you cannot build something on nothing.   Anybody saying that Jonathan would have implemented the recommendations of confab must be an Alice in Wonderland because he was in the dark about even the recommendations itself,  but was only mouthing what he was told to do. Confab ko fabcon ni.  Nelson Ekujumi  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"'rotfash' via AfricanWorldForum" <africanw...@googlegroups.com> Date:Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:07

[udoh.chris]

The confab was the best that has ever happened in Nigeria. Throwing away the confab decisions is analogous to a treasure thrown into the ocean.

Chris Udoh
ATLANTIC REPUBLIC

asu...@gmail.com wrote:

The confab was a deceitful tool to foist GEJ re-election on Nigerians. The confab came at a time all most our tertiary institution were shutdown and money was scarce to implement people oriented programs. 

Come to think of it, if the constitution of Nigeria cannot be implemented abinitio how can confab report assume higher status than the constitution. In any case good report can be implemented by any good government not necessarily the one who originate it.

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From: daniel Akusobi Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 5:55 AM To: rotfash Cc: develop...@googlegroups.com; okonkwo...@googlegroups.com; africanworld; Vin Otuonye

Subject: Re: Ethnicity, bane of Nigeria’s development –Falola

And Jonathan was a graffiti on our presidencies by every measure possible. The Confab was a 419 , Mba mmiri style and we fell for it.
Dan

On Aug 20, 2015 12:07 AM, "'rotfash' via OkonkwoNetworks" <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

[daniel Akusobi]

Afis
On Azikiwe : You just wanted to hear he was the only true early  Nigerian nationalist and hated by some Igbos for his not knowing tribal politics like Awo did , was what mattered most  in a a country  like Nigeria.
Dan,

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[rotfash]

Mr Udoh,

Rather than babbling one-liner so vacuously, can you please go one step further in articulating your position with more persuasive polemical impudence?

Rotimi Fashakin.

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[udoh.chris]

Rotimi,
Find time to read the confab reports then you will fully understand the imports of my statement on it.

About 600 key decisions were made by Nigerians (on key issues) in that report and each of the decisions is weighty and progressive.

Chris Udoh
ATLANTIC REPUBLIC

[afis]

Dan Akusobi: You hold the mythical Zik in your heart, good for you. Dan, you can Keep living in a smoked up room created by your Igbo ancestors, looking thru the smokes at the world with one closed eye and the other hardly cracked open. You probably was too young to live true Azikwe's tribalism of celebrating Igbo Day in Lagos, and telling IGBOS to be "I before others". Awo never organized and celebrated Yoruba Day on Yoruba soil. But the arrogance of Igbos will always end up destroying Igbos. Were you ever in Kano's Birnin Kowa or Fegge or SaboNgari, Sokoto, Jos and other tinderbox Northern cities? If you do not realize how much resentment the North harbor against Igbos, hey just ask and Afis will tell. Dan, asallamu aleukia ya rasullilah, ya Allahu ya Allah! If you can translate the above, then you can stand toe to toe with Afis to talk about the Heart of the North. You can live with people but not know them. I know the North in and Bloody out. Dan, Your mucus snorting and diaper wearing days notwithstanding, Afis is here to narrate what you missed in what Yoruba call "Aroba, the father of History". Please ask and Afis shall tell. Shikena

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[asu...@gmail.com]

Tell us what is in the report that make it the best or that was not in previous unimplemented confab reports

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: Ethnicity, bane of Nigeria’s development –Falola

[afis]

"A SW group, comprising mainly of people with no electoral value but selfish interest,(AFENIFEYA GROUP) was appointed to cater for the region's ethnic desire. In all, the conference was an assemblage of almost 500 Nigerians, all appointed and none elected! The pretenders among us still beleive that such a conference is legitimate enough to chart a meaningful future for Nigeria?..,!"......Rotimi Fashakin. MEMBERS OF AFENIFEYA-AKOTILETA GROUP NONE OF THEM CAN WIN ANY ELECTION IN YORUBALAND. Afis comment; The members of the AFENIFEYA group mostly, are people who cannot win fairly contested post of Baba Adugbo on the streets of their Agboile. These are people Yoruba could have thrown into Evil Forests if Yoruba has one. My explanation is necessary because my brother, Alagba Rotimi, uses too many Big Big Turenchi that may fly over the Igbos-cookoo Nest. Igbos can't PAY attention, they are too tightfisted.

Shikena Afis Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

I agree.
No one like Zik.
Otitigbe.

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[Ezeana Igirigi]

The same way you know that Jesus was crucified, even though you were not there. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha aKa Onyeukwu 

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