Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama

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Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama

President Obama was welcomed by the African Union's chairwoman as "one of their own"

United States President Barack Obama wrapped up his four-day visit to Africa on Tuesday July 28 with a rousing address to the African Union, at its headquarters in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Calling for the empowerment of African youth and women, for an end to the “cancer of corruption” and greater economic ties between Africa and America, Obama told the 54-nation body that “It is long past time to put aside old stereotypes of an Africa forever mired in poverty and conflict.”
The African Union was established in 2001 to achieve greater unity between African countries and a better life for African people. Over the past decade it has gained strength and respect in the international arena as it wields its political and military tools to solve thorny African problems, from civil conflict to terrorism and obstacles to trade. By becoming the first U.S. leader to address the A.U., Obama ensured that his praise, his exhortations to do better and his promise of partnership reached every corner of the continent, on what is likely to be his last visit to the region as President.
Welcomed by the African Union’s first chairwoman, Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, who introduced him as the President of the United States of America, the first to address the A.U., and “one of our own,” Obama took the podium to sustained applause, cheers and whistles. In a wide-ranging speech that touched on his African roots, Obama celebrated the continent’s gains, noting that Africa has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with a middle class projected to grow to more than one billion consumers. “With hundreds of millions of mobile phones and surging access to the internet, Africans have the potential to leapfrog old technologies into new prosperity,” he said. But to continue on that trajectory, Obama warned, Africa “can’t let old traditions stand in the way.”
He called on African governments to maintain economic gains by improving democracy, protecting human rights and ensuring freedom of the press, singling out his host, the Ethiopian government, in particular for its crackdown on journalists and opposition leaders. “Democracy is not just formal elections,” Obama said to resounding applause. “When journalists are put behind bars for doing their jobs, or activists are threatened as governments crack down on civil society, then you may have democracy in name, but not in substance.”
He also encouraged African leaders to respect term limits, to act more like Nelson Mandela, who stood down after his second term as President of South Africa, and not like Burundi’s President Pierre Nkurunziza, who was just elected to a constitutionally illegal third term as President amidst widespread violence. “I have to be honest with you,” Obama said in comments that appeared to go off script. “I just don’t understand this. I actually think I am a pretty good president. I think if I ran again, I could win. But I can’t. The law is the law and no one is above it, not even presidents.” Even as representatives of the dozen African countries who have some of the longest-serving leaders in the world shifted uncomfortably in their seats, the audience erupted into the wildest cheers and loudest applause of the speech.
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President Barack Obama flanked by Ethiopia's Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn (top left) and African Union Chairperson Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma (top right), arrives to deliver remarks at the African Union in Addis Ababa on July 28, 2015.
President Barack Obama delivers a speech to the African Union in Addis Ababa on July 28, 2015.
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President Barack Obama shakes hands with farmer Gifty Jemal Hussein, after seeing her corn during a tour of Faffa Food in Addis Ababa on July 28, 2015.
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Obama had come to Africa to meet with Kenyan and Ethiopian leaders on issues ranging from security, economic development and human rights. His speech at the A.U reflected similar themes as he attempts to cement his African legacy. He has hinted, however, that he might consider returning to Africa at the conclusion of his presidency, telling the audience, “I’m looking forward to life after being President. It means I can go take a walk, I can spend time with my family, I can find other ways to serve. I can visit Africa more often.”
The biggest challenges, however, remain unresolved and out of his reach, the damper on an otherwise successful visit. Large swaths of Africa remain in turmoil, with terror groups al-Shabaab in Somalia and Boko Haram in Nigeria continuing to take lives and disrupt progress. The ongoing civil war in South Sudan, which has seen tens of thousands killed, raped or tortured and has displaced millions, defies any attempts at resolution. “In South Sudan the joy of independence has descended into the despair of violence,” Obama lamented. On Monday he met with regional leaders in an attempt to force rival South Sudanese leaders Salva Kiir and Riek Machar to accept a peace agreement. If they do not, Obama warned, “I believe the international community must raise the costs of their intransigence,” a threat that most likely means an international arms embargo and increased sanctions.
Even on issues of human rights, Obama was met with some resistance from leaders in both Ethiopia and Kenya. When Obama publically called for an end to anti-gay discrimination in Kenya, President Uhuru Kenyatta noted that while the two countries share many values, gay rights were not among them. And in Ethiopia, Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn demurred on Obama’s calls for greater press freedoms by accusing journalists of acting unethically and consorting with terrorists.
Critics have complained that while Obama’s visit was full of pomp and lectures, he has delivered little in the way of the expected monetary largesse. That may be the most successful part of his visit yet. “So many Africans have told me — we don’t just want aid, we want trade that fuels our progress,” he said in his speech. They say, “’We don’t want patrons, we want partners who help us build our own capacity to grow.’” Throughout the past four days, Obama has been relentless in his calls for greater democracy, accountable governance, and rule of law, the foundations of economic growth that will do far more to deliver on Africa’s promise than any amount of aid.

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Who determines the old traditions that we must let go?He or we Resident- Africans?Have we not acculturated enough?Are we going to be follow-follow all our lives?
When do religious beliefs become subsumed under Human Rughts?
There is a LIMIT.iw 
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Is it me or is Obama less concerned about more important issues such as our fight against terrorism, our fight against corruption (most of the stolen loot are in America and other nations who are quick to lecture us about the corruption practice in our region) Our struggle with providing a reliable and steady (electricity) 

We need sincere assistance from America and the rest of them in achieving our goals of e.g. fighting terrorism and repatriating the looted funds. We do not need a lecture and being arm twisted into buying their liberal agenda. 

We have more important things that need our attention. America and the rest of them can afford to pay attention to liberal issues because they are able to provide a good life for most of their citizens. We are in serious need of improvement in our life in our region - we need peace, we need steady electricity, we need housing, we need clean water. I am not saying that America and the rest of them are responsible for making this available to us - what I am saying is that if they are so concerned about our wellbeing - they should stop trying to shove down their liberal agenda down our throat and give sincere assistance where and when requested. 

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We can't even stick to the most basic of all our traditions - vegetable and fufu for breakfast.  By definition, civilization is all about follow-follow.  As to who determines, if it works, follow.  If it does not, don't follow.  I think Obama would agree with that.  I think he said "Africa can't". I did not read him to say "America can't".  Are Africans not Residents?

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IW
I have determined to be one of the first to kick against any attempts to bring McDonald into my village in Nigeria.
I will also continue to fight any attempts by any Western or Eastern world religions  to label  my religion, Chism, as a paganism.
I believe the people of a nation should determine what they consider as old traditions to discard and new or foreign ones to embrace.
The idea of killing Saddam so McCain McDonalds can be established in Iraq can never be right.
See how soundly the world has been snoring since Saddam was killed by Bush and Muammar Gaddafi was killed by Obama.
Dan

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Raji,
This is how you ended your nice brief.
" they should stop trying to shove down their liberal agenda down our throat and give sincere assistance where and when requested"( Raji)

And here is what I thought would be more appropriate : they should stop allowing our looters bank their loots in their countries. In that way, the looters would be forced to keep their loots in Nigerian banks or in their homes. I prefer they leave some in their homes so their fellow unelected robbers would have a chance to retake from them on bravery.
Lol
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Tajudeen, Dan et al:

Obama's exhortation that Africans should
not let our adherence to old ideas and traditions 
deter our match
to modernity and socio-economic progress
is not necessarily incompatible with the
notion that we Africans can achieve progress
by cherry picking which modern
ideas to embrace and which ones we should
ignore or flatly reject.

There are many more fundamentally sound
traditions amongst Africans that we must fight
to preserve despite the onslaught
of modernization or westernization than the retrogressive traditions 
and customs that we must eschew.

The world might be a better place, if most of the
world accept some of the basic traditional values
African values.

We must avoid conflating Obama's appeal
that Africans should eschew homophobia and
respect the human rights of all our citizens
with a universal campaign that all human beings
should embrace a certain set of rules and values
to govern our lives.

This is not what Obama is asking Africans to
embrace.

Obama is requesting that African leaders
respect the spirit and substance of the agreements
most African countries have already signed
as per Geneva's Human Rights Convention
which forbids discrimination against human beings
on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, gender
Socio-economic class and sexual orientation.


Obama's point is that Africans should let go
of retrogressive ideas and traditions such as discrimination
on the basis of sexual orientation ( homophobia),
caste (e.g. the Osu), and those directed against
albinos, pygmies and those who are suspected
of being witches.

Obama's campaign against the rampant homophobia
in African countries is similar to Mary Slessor's campaign
against the slaughtering and killing of twins,
triplets and other multiple births that was once a common
practice in some regions of Nigeria and other countries in Africa.

The common thread that binds most
forms of discrimination amongst human beings
throughout the world is IGNORANCE.


If Africans could finally accept the idea that 
Twins and Triplets are not evil beings that should
be sacrificed to the gods, that repeated early childhood
deaths (due to Sickle Cell Anemia and other inheritable diseases) are natural
phenomena with sound scientific explanations,
there is hope that one day in the near future
we would abandon homophobia and all other
forms of discrimination that leads to the violence
directed at witches, albinos and others
whose physical features are different from the
norm.

Obama is bang on correct! Africans remain the
most backward of all human beings partly 
due to our stubborn
adherence to too many old ideas and myths
that are out of place in the modern world!

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Ola
That's right. There are some aspects of African traditional cultures that would be good for copy by other worlds. How much of such cultures have we, the indigenous practitioners love ?

The idea and as promoted by some churches is if it did not come from Rome, then it is ungodly.
I will agree with the human rights issue but asking that homosexuality be documented as a life to encourage is simply out of boundary. I like gays to be left alone , not be killed or discriminated against . I like the caste system killed now. I hate human slavery. I hate that USA also aides corruption in some African countries by letting looters a safe haven in some US banks.
I hate the idea of killing a president or arming his people to turn against him in other to being in KFC into a country.
Dan

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Baba Dan; 
I am with you on America and others like them to stop assisting the looters of our funds by allowing them to bank the looted funds with banks in America and Europe. That is what I hope Obama will talk to our leaders about - not about our not accepting their way of life. 
Thanks,
Tajudeen Raji 

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Dan:


Your stand against Mc Donald's restaurants
in your village reminds me of a rhetorical question
I posted a few years back to those Africans
who were campaigning against genetically modified
Food Products coming to Africa.

I asked if they would rather have their people
starve to death due to crop failure rather than accept
genetically modified seeds and seedlings
that are resistant to plant diseases?

No one amongst those protesting against
Monsanto inc.- a provider of genetically modified
Food products was able to provide an acceptable
answer!

There is nothing wrong with Mc Donald's 
establishing their restaurants in Nigeria as long as
the restaurants are locally owned and 
if they can include local food items
in their menu and are able to sell their
products at prices that the locals can afford.

An additional benefit is that McDonald's can also
provide jobs for the throngs of jobless youths
In your village and all regions of Nigeria.

There was rampant fear that Walmart, Costco
and other big box stores would lead to the closing
and disappearance of small mom and pop stores
in small communities. This fear was unfounded as the small
stores found their niches and became even more
profitable when the big box stores moved into
their regions.

If I have the money I would buy the company's
National franchise rights for the whole of Nigeria
and establish the pilot store in Aiyepe - and
watch the throngs of youths come from neighbouring towns
and villages not only to work either full or
part time but also enjoy both their local foods
e.g. Godogidi, ebiripo, ikokore, eba, amala
with their choices of either egusi, efo or Ogbona soup
along with hamburgers and fries, hot dogs, Pizza etc.
whenever they like at affordable prices!

The world is now a global village!

If Chinese restaurants can prosper in Nigeria
lushly not Mc Donald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken etc.


Bye,

Ola

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In Las Vegad.




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Taju-
You got me giggling. Thanks
Dan

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Dr. Kassim; 

I know - for some years - where you stand on the gay issue. I think that, like Obama, you are ultra liberal on the issue.

Below is Dan Akusobi response to you. It captures my view on the issue. Obama is not doing us justice by not focusing on things that will bring about a better life for us as a people. The issue of gay and other liberal agenda he was selling will not solve the terror, corruption and other problems that we have. 

America ti yo ni won nse wa bekun bekun. (America's belly is full but it wants a belly buster) lol. 

"I will agree with the human rights issue but asking that homosexuality be documented as a life to encourage is simply out of boundary. I like gays to be left alone , not be killed or discriminated against . I like the caste system killed now. I hate human slavery. I hate that USA also aides corruption in some African countries by letting looters a safe haven in some US banks." Dan Akusobi 

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No problem as. Long as you stop sodomy propagation in our conntinent

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Green Dim

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Ola:  

Without supporting either side of the argument, I will now answer the question about "starve to death quickly or die slowly by eating junk".

There is one fundamental weakness in your assumption.  You assumed that if there are no McDonalds, people will die.   Why would people not continue to stay alive by continuing to eat local food?  Is it not possible that it is the mere introduction of McDonalds that discourages growing healthy food - the same way export of oil eliminated the export of groundnut and cocoa.  Substitutes can cause one to drink Ovaltine instead of green tea.
My village people will not die without McDonalds.  They will just grow and eat more vegetable and be healthier.

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General.
After  listened to Auma Obama, I decided to forgive Obama.
Auma said Obama was given a script that he must follow if he is to be President. He is reading from a script. When he becomes a privat citizen, he will enjoy African tradition. He could see in Kenya the African family values when all his kinsfolk had dinner with him.  If AFrican American had inherited African family tradition, their lives would have improved like Africa inmigrans to the USA.
Otitigbe.

Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Taju.
The best assistance is education. We already have it. The problem with Africans is that w refused to give Africans opportunity. Sucha people can never grow.
Otitigbe

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Ola
Would McDonald's brand still be McDonald's without it's unique taste and and menu ?
We can have such high disease resistant crops and high yielding generically modified crops without having our people predisposed to the ills of having breakfasts , launch and dinner in MacDonalds
McDonald's does well in poor and underclass neighborhoods than may be found in richer neighborhoods.
Go check the health index stats in these neighborhoods. They are dead traps because of the culture of eating out in American style common restaurants like Wendy and McDonald.
Is that what I would want for my village in the name of Americanizing her? No.
There could be other sources of employment for our youths than with flipping pies and poisoning people with lad.
I want my people to farm and continue to make fresh soups daily, fresh veges and homemade chickens and fishes.
Americanization comes with a prize that sometimes means doom for a people.
It's better to have people evolve on their own than killing their leaders so KFC and Wendy would move in.
Our mama-puts have not done badly providing us with hot and spicy jeloff rice for breakfast.
We want to make our own teas than buying a cup and showing off holding it like kitchenlessly homeless bunch.
We can take their jeans, for people that like to wear jeans. Wearing their Ts that glorify worker abusers is not what I would want.
My kids learned early in life not to wear branded Ts like KC or any of the USA popular brand cloth names.
My boy that 'revolted had some Ts with his name boldly printed on them. It cost us more money and he is now big and cares less and had praised me for raising him without any sympathy for uthopia.
Did it pay off ? You can say the rest for me because you know.
Dan
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Ola.
Tell Russians to stop homophobia. Tell Merkel to accept same sex marriage. Do not begin the experiment with us. Tell India to stop homophobe.
I mentioned you to the visitng  Awo on this matter, they ar ejsut suprised a Yoruba like you will defend homosexuality. In the conffernece they held her and I was the itner`reted, they quoted Ifa lessons on homosexuality.
I am convinced that you are paid to degrade Africa. Instead of transfering your scientific knowledge of Medicine to Africa, you are busy campaigning for homosexuality. Surely you ar not formthe land of Agemo. You are an outcast.
Otitigbe.

Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Dan.
I agree with you hundred percent.
Otitigbe.

Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Ola Kasim.
Africans are not starving to death. Not in NIgeria. The villagers of Dan produce wht they eat.
You are an agent of colonialsim. Yo have no love for Africa.
You must have left Africa annoyed.
Otitigbe.

Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Dan is very celar and correct.
Otitigbe.

Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Ola Kassim surpried me o. He is an agent of colonialism. He has inferirority complex.
Otitigbe.

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You are giving Mary Slessor too much credit for stopping killing of twins in certain area of Nigeria.  In some areas like Youbaland, twins are adored and "idolized" Orisha-lized if you will.  Twin murder was an idea that would have died a natural death as did burying the prince with a dead Alafin of ancient Oyo, stopping which the Yorubas were not given credits.


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Dan.
I agree with you hundred percent.
Otitigbe.

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Ola
That's right. There are some aspects of African traditional cultures that would be good for copy by other worlds. How much of such cultures have we, the indigenous practitioners love ?

The idea and as promoted by some churches is if it did not come from Rome, then it is ungodly.

I will agree with the human rights issue but asking that homosexuality be documented as a life to encourage is simply out of boundary. I like gays to be left alone , not be killed or discriminated against . I like the caste system killed now. I hate human slavery. I hate that USA also aides corruption in some African countries by letting looters a safe haven in some US banks.

I hate the idea of killing a president or arming his people to turn against him in other to being in KFC into a country.
Dan



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afis

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Yours below sounds confusing.Bro forgive me if I elaborate.

Yoruba people DO NOT kill Twins or Triplets or One-millionth-baby.
We worship Twins.
When Triplets arrive in the old days, the town will automatically organize a same day dance parade to the king's palace.
Any clothes and beads the king wears on that day are presented as gifts to the parents of the new babies.
Other gifts are then officially taken to the home of the new born.

"Ori Ibeji" is something no Yoruba toys with, it is a deity that has its own wooden statue specifically carved the moment Twins are born........the statues are called Ere Ibeji.
They are "Orisa Akunlebo" in their own rights but exclusively worshipped by their parents who prepare offerings for the statues.

I recall a life in a high school-Nigeriana, when a food seller nearer to a high school won't sell to anyone until these two identical boys will pay her and had the first bite.
Oh no, Mama Oniresi was not eccentric, she was just a traditionalist that held dearest the belief that "Ori Ibeji" increases sales if those Twins were the first to buy from the seller.
Ori Ibeji is the harbinger of fortune in Yorubaland, Yoruba embrace Twins not discard them.
You dare not beat them or Ori Ibeji will react to your abuse.

I am sorry, you just don't make it clear with yours below.
I love my Yoruba. What can I say!
Shikena

afis

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Full disclosure: I'm for Gays and all Human rights, notwithstanding my stand against Obama's speech to African leaders.

Now bismillahi:
It's arrogant of Obama to advise Africans to let go old ways for new ones.
It's not his call.
Obama is not an African, he's an American, he's part of the nation that has a majority of Racists of whom his grandparents were part of.
I don't hold the bigotry of his white ancestors against him, but as Obama went too far this time around, we need to tell him to shut the fuck off.

For those who doesn't know where my ship sails from, there was once a Gerard Ford who tried to manipulate the OAU.
Apparently as was the colonial masters customs, US and Britain and France used to prepare their African monkeys prior to OAU meetings, on what tune to dance to, during meetings.
However, a new Sheriff named General Mur'tala Mohammed was not in the mood to bend backwards on Rhodesia.
I recollect reading in newspapers across Nigeria, with pride, that when MM received the customary arm-twisting phone call from Ford, Mur'tala Mohammed told Ford to shut the fuck up.
Those were the nostalgic days of realtime Patriotism!

Just like Ford, Obama should go mend his own leaking bigotry White House.
Imagine a symbolic House built by slaves, own by all color and creed and gender and races and Rainbow Americana, imagine the House is called "WHITE HOUSE".........a House that belongs to White people.
Tell him to tell his people to discard old ways and begin with the renaming of his residence they traditionally named the White House.
Tell Obama to save the Black folks from everyday lynching across the American landscapes by those paid to protect ALL AMERICANS.
Tell Obama that he can't tell others how to live.
Tell Obama to take his own advice........Obama displayed the traditional American arrogance of superiority which he should discard when talking to Africans.
Even if he meant well, it wasn't his call.

Shikena
Afis...........I'm still for gays rights in case anyone wonders!

On Jul 29, 2015, 12:21:55 AM, Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD wrote: Ola Kassim surpried me o. He is an agent of colonialism. He has inferirority complex.

Ofege Ntemfac

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The Sin of Sodom
 Serious Questions and Bible Answers about the Homosexual Movement
 
 
 
 
 
 
The Sin of Sodom
What is a Sodomite? A sodomite is a person who practices sodomy--a homosexual.
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What is a Sodomite?
A sodomite is a person who practices sodomy--a homosexual. God's word doesn't use such terms as "homosexual," "gay," and "lesbian." Some might argue that a sodomite is nothing more than an inhabitant of Sodom, but God uses the word "sodomite" in reference to homosexuals long after the ancient city of Sodom is destroyed (1 Kings 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 2 Kings 23:7).
Isn't it more proper to refer to sodomites as "homosexuals" and "gays?"
No, because God refers to them as "sodomites." "Homosexual" is a neutral technical term, while "gay" is a nice term that the sodomites have invented for themselves. Due to the constant brainwashing tactics of Hollywood and the Media, "gay" has been adapted by most everyone as the proper title for these people. To be "gay" is to be "merry" and "joyful." To be a "sodomite" is to be wicked and sinful (Gen. 13:13). So "gay" is certainly NOT the proper title. We are warned in Isaiah 5:20 that God is very displeased with people who apply good words to evil things: "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Drunkards are not "chronic alcoholics," fornication is not "pre-marital sex," and sodomites are not "gay."
How do we know for certain that sodomy is a sin?
Because God's word declares it to be a sin, over and over again. The very first time "Sodom" occurs in the Bible God sends us a sound warning: "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly." (Gen. 13:13) In Genesis 18:20, we are told that the sin of Sodom is "very grievous." Then in Genesis 19:4-7 we read of a case where the Sodomites seek sexual relations with a total stranger! Shortly after this incident, God destroys their entire city because He couldn't find even ten righteous people dwelling there.
Later, in the book of Leviticus, some very sharp warnings are given about sodomy. Leviticus 18:22 says, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Then Leviticus 20:13 says, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Webster defines an "abomination" as "extreme hatred" and "detestation." That's how God feels about sodomites.
Hundreds of years later we read that sodomites are in the land and they are committing "abominations" (1 Kings 14:24). King Asa, a good king over Judah, did "that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" when he "took away the sodomites out of the land" (1 Kings 15:11-12). Several years later there were still some sodomites left in the land, so King Jehoshaphat, the son of King Asa, also did that which was RIGHT in the eyes of the Lord by taking the sodomites OUT of the land (1 Kings 22:43-46). We also read that King Josiah did the "right" thing when he "brake down the houses of the sodomites" (2 Kings 22:2; 23:7).
In Isaiah 3:9, God makes reference to the boldness of the people who commit this grievous sin: "The show of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves." Is this not a perfect description of the modern day sodomites who parade up and down the streets demanding their rights? Ezekiel 16:49 says that PRIDE is a chief sin of the sodomites. Perhaps this is why we read about "Gay Pride" parades. Proverbs 16:18 says, "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."
Some say only the Old Testament speaks against sodomy but that the New Testament is silent about it. This is not true. The New Testament clearly condemns this sin. Romans 1:21-27 speaks about the sodomites. Paul says they are vain in their imaginations, they steal God's glory, they are foolish, unclean, vile, and against nature. In II Peter 2:6, the word "ungodly" is used in connection with sodomy. Paul said in I Corinthians 6:9 that these people would not inherit the kingdom of God.
Friend, sodomy is wicked in the eyes of God!
Don't most professionals agree that a person's sexual orientation is of biological or genetic origin?
Yes, but they're dead wrong. The majority of professional people once believed the earth to be flat. Were they right? The majority of astronomers once believed the stars could be numbered. Were they right? The majority of scientists today believe that men have evolved from monkeys. Are they right? In Genesis, the majority of the world thought Noah was crazy. Were they right? The majority thought Jesus Christ should be crucified. Were they right? Listen friend, if you're running with "the majority," then you are on a collision coarse with the Devil! IGNORE THE MAJORITY! Just trust God's word. God says that sodomy is WRONG, so it's wrong. Period.
Besides, there are many professional people in the medical field who believe that sodomy is an acquired behavior. The book, Shadow In The Land, by Congressman William Dannemeyer, cites several authors who disagree with the biological and genetic theories. The following are among them:
"Homosexuality, the choice of a partner of the same sex for orgastic satisfaction, is not innate. There is no connection between sexual instinct and choice of sexual object. Such an object choice is acquired behavior; there is no inevitable genetically inborn propensity toward the choice of a partner of either the same or opposite sex." (Charles Socarides, Homosexuality: Basic Concepts and Psychodynamics, International Journal of Psychiatry 10, 1972: 118-25)
"Whatever may be the possible unlearned assistance from constitutional sources, the child's psychosexual identity is not written, unlearned, in the genetic code, the hormonal system or the nervous system at birth." (John Monday, Sexual Dimorphism and Homosexual Gender Identity, Perspectives in Human Sexuality, 1974, p. 67)
Doesn't the American Psychiatric Association consider sodomy to be normal?
Yes. In 1974, the APA removed homosexuality from their list of mental disorders. Naturally, the sodomites make a regular habit of informing us of this, but they fail to inform us of HOW the APA came to this decision. Beginning in 1970, the sodomites started invading the annual APA convention. Although not invited, they made it a regular habit to burst into the annual meetings like uncivilized barbarians. Once in the panel rooms they would resort to shouting and name calling, in hopes of intimidating as many people as possible. They also found it effective to appeal for pity by whining about their sad plight, which they compared to racial discrimination against blacks. By much sympathy pleading and very little factual evidence, the sodomites won the hearts of a few psychiatrists and also a panel of their own in 1973. Then after a very effective letter campaign, the sodomites had applied enough pressure to seal their victory. Finally, in a 58 to 40 vote, the APA decided to remove homosexuality from their list of mental disorders in 1974.
Why not just leave the sodomites alone and let them live their own lives?
Because God hates this sin and He doesn't want it "left alone." Sin is like a cancer: when ignored it spreads. As we've already seen from God's word, God commends those who oppose sodomy, so we too need to speak out against this abominable sin before it overwhelms us and destroys our nation like it destroyed Sodom. No, we should not HATE the sodomites, but we should firmly oppose their sin as the word of God commands us.
Can a sodomite be cured?
Man says, "No, because it isn't a disease," but God tells us there IS a cure, because there is a cure for ALL SIN. God is willing to cleanse any person of this sin and forget it forever! Some people have the strange idea that God cannot forgive certain sins, but the Bible says otherwise!
1 John 1:7 says, "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
Revelation 1:5 says, "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood."
Friend, Jesus Christ has the cure. You can ignore what the medical profession says about there being no cure for homosexuality. There IS a cure, and YOU can have it TODAY - if you'll confess to God that you're a sinner, repent of your sins (Luke 13:3), and receive His Son as your one and only Saviour. Sin is sin, whether it be sodomy, murder, stealing, lying, adultery, fornication, pride, rebellion, or anything else. All have sinned and come short of God's glory (Rom. 3:23) because all have been born with a sin nature (Rom. 5:12; Psa. 51:5). Jesus Christ shed His sinless blood and died to pay for your sins and He rose again the third day for your justification. The Bible says He'll save you if you'll RECEIVE Him as your Savior:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" (John 1:12)
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Rom. 10:9-10)
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Rom. 10:13)
Friend, the decision is all your's. You can believe man and pretend that God made you to be a sodomite, or you can believe God and ask Him to save your soul from Hell through the precious blood of Jesus Christ.
What's your decision?
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Gen Williams et al:

Obama is right: a nation that allows culture handed down to them from people that never saw how the future would look like is doomed to remain down. Such is the case with African countries. Culture is something one continuously assesses and re-assesses and in doing so, pick and sustain what is important for the current generation and put in museum, what is no longer needed. Africans have remained tied to the culture (most of which are wicked, sexist, degrading and dehumanizing!)

With regard to fighting acculturation:It is pretty late to fight the "acculturation", wouldn't you say?  Here is my point:
  • You send your children away to their schools (and ofcourse loose them forever! A great loss to a nation!) because you refuse to build and support good schools in your country. The few you have are loaded with teachers who refuse to teach and who demand sex, money and other favors from the gullible students  
  • You take your country's money and dump in their banks while your people suffer.
  • You buy just about everything and anything you use or eat from them. Farming, etc is no longer appealing and is in fact lowly-rated
  • You reject the blackness of your skin and thus buy Ambi, Satina, etc (they made for you) to destroy your skin.
  • You put in your churches symbols that show black as bad and white as good (and in doing so, destroy the psychic of your current and future generations of your people who subsequently grow with inferiority complex!)
  • You travel to them to get medical treatment because out of pure wickedness, ignorance and stupidity, you dump billions of your money in their banks instead of using the money to build good hospitals (as they have done!). You actually hail and glamorize your leaders who announced how much public they just put in their banks and address them as "His Excellency"!
  • You no longer want to use Naira for transactions within your country, you prefer Dollars, Pounds, soon Yen, etc! A pure rejection of self which has severe ramifications for the people and for a nation! 
  • Look at the names you give to your children: how many of them represent "you"?
So, what acculturation are you now fighting for? You might as well "join them since you cannot fight them! You do not even fight due to incapacitation and cowardice! For if you fight, you will demonstrate against your people (your leaders in government, business, religion, academia, etc) who ignore their responsibilities to their people and the country. You will not allow them to drive down on their exotic cars, parade their mansions or even seat on your head table! You will not even accept their so-called "donations" (which will actually make some of them re-think!) But out of your gullibility, greed and foolishness, you take such money. It is hard to eat your cake and have it back. Africans will either use their brains to think so as to learn or continue to enslave themselves, while waiting for god/God to come do for them what they ought to do for themselves! Until they do, fighting the "acculturation" is a waste of time!

Joe.




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Ishola Williams

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JO,You are right sir but there is another side of the story. You  are not speaking for the  majority of Africans. .Why should we "assess and reassess"  from the Lens of Western Culture? Everybody will not do that like you have done.Let them reassess and respect our culture too.Have you accepted cultural supremacy?
For example  the late Chinua Achebe could have decided before he died to write only Igbo like Ngugi wa Thiongo of Kenya is now doing with Swahili.He was invited for a meeting President Kenyatta asking him to come home and continue his work in the language
Why are the Asians not reassessing in line with your analysis in terms of religion,food,dress etc ?Why are African Descendants increasingly practicing Africa Traditional Religions more than the Africans themselves?
You make me laugh sir when you are advising an old man like me about "Fighting"Acculturation.No sir ,there is no need. There is what you call Creative Economy and that is where the opportunities lie.
I salute the Igbos for their Cultural revival through all these festivals in USA.May their shadows never grow less.they are my heroes.I see graduates doing the the traditional dance which Oyinocha call Ethno-Choreograpphy.
I am pushing very hard to reverse not fight acculturation through Indigenous Religions symposium,Traditional Colloquium and Festival with only traditional songs,dances and musical instruments etc
THE IGBOS INUSA ARE USING THIER  TIME AND ENERGY NOT TO FIGHT BUT TO SHOW CASE THEIR PLACE IN THE WORLD OF CULTURE.
iw. 

Green Dim

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Onuora:
 
I have added you to the select list of contributors whose postings are worth reading.
 
Why did you make the list?  You made the list because your writing below stole my thunder.  This is exactly my style of writing - make the point and justify it with the weight of the evidence.  I don't care for "instant message" style of writing. 
 
I could not have made your points any better.  In my previous posting, I made the same points in my uncharacteristic way by saying that civilization is by definition a "follow-follow" strategy.  You have just explained that we have been following, and following, and following.  Why stop now?  Perhaps because we can't teach Chemistry or Physics in Igbo, Yoruba, or Hausa.  Keeeeeeeep on following guys and gals.  The next stop is good governance.
 
Thank you for your posting.
 
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Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Your opinion represent the wickedness in you that does not make you understand African culture.
Let me tell you, Africa has the best culture in the world. Just look at he history of the world even there is no one who has been wicked to the woman like the white man. In India when a man dies, the relative of the man will ask the widow to jump into the river as a sign of love for her husband. Is that culture better than ours?
Go and study African culture well. Our culture is not sexist, may be Igbo culture is sexist. Western Nigeria from Asaba to Badagri believes the older fellow first irrespective of the gender. When someone comes in, a younger fellow of either gender stands up. That is gender equality.
In home bulding , just as the wife reverence the farmily of the man, the man and his  whole family reverence the whole family of the woman.
Please learn about African culture before you start to write nonsense because you have been brainwashed by the white slavemaster.
Africa is not sexist, Africa believes in respect for the older no matter the gender.
Those of us that have been with white Italian women really udnerstand the hardship that white women suffers in their home, the white wife washes everything even her children are not allowed to do anything unlike in Africa where we boys an girls  go to the river to fetch water and help our mothers. The white woman work like a slave in her home till today , she is expected to wash the floor every blessed day, she paints the walls, she presses all the clothes of the hosuehold, she polishes the shoes for her man and children. Come to Argentina and see how women work at home after their office. Such slavery on women is not done in Africa, in fact when life gets better, the brother of the man will stay with them to wash his clothes.
Stop talking about what you do not know.
In Colombia, man and boys eat on the table while the women and girls sit on the floor to eat. That happens all over Latin America. Obama is absoulutely ignorant of African culture. He has promised to go to Kenya after his mandate, it is then I want his opinion. Obama speehes respond to scripts written for him, to say African do not send girls to school is absoulute rubbish. His sister holds a PhD from a German University.
Otitigbe.

Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Onuora is a compund ignorant.
He does nto know what culture is. To say Afircan culture is sexits and degrading is absolute rubbish.
Otitigbe.

daniel Akusobi

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Ottitigbe,

Did you say this "  If AFrican American had inherited African family tradition, their lives would have improved like Africa inmigrans to the USA"
( Otitigbe )
I plan  to put up an essay on the concept of "Akata" akatarism .

And I say " that's true"
The behavioral characteristics or personalities that could be described as " akata" , who they are , dominant gender and whether it is treatable , if we believe it is a disease.
Are we raising Akatas or are our kids learning such personality traits in their schools or street ?
I described one behavior my daughter exhibited recently as Akatarish and she  went in crying. I guess I treated her of such attitude with my confronting her with such a label.
She is still upset . I plan to get why such a label made her upset when she gets in the mood to talk to daddy about it.
I cannot stand any feelings of entitlement and talking and dancing.

Dan

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Asagwara, Ken (EAL)

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Dan:

 

Do you really know the real meaning of the word, “Akata”?

 

Is it really appropriate to use that derogatory word in describing our African-American brothers and sisters knowing, somewhere down the line, our own Nigerian children born and raised in the USA will become part of that culture you derisively call, “Akata”?

 

I guess, the man who started this debate, President Obama qualifies as an “Akata” or is he not because one of his parents was white?

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

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President Obama was welcomed by the African Union's chairwoman as "one of their own"

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United States President Barack Obama wrapped up his four-day visit to Africa on Tuesday July 28 with a rousing address to the African Union, at its headquarters in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Calling for the empowerment of African youth and women, for an end to the “cancer of corruption” and greater economic ties between Africa and America, Obama told the 54-nation body that “It is long past time to put aside old stereotypes of an Africa forever mired in poverty and conflict.”

The African Union was established in 2001 to achieve greater unity between African countries and a better life for African people. Over the past decade it has gained strength and respect in the international arena as it wields its political and military tools to solve thorny African problems, from civil conflict to terrorism and obstacles to trade. By becoming the first U.S. leader to address the A.U., Obama ensured that his praise, his exhortations to do better and his promise of partnership reached every corner of the continent, on what is likely to be his last visit to the region as President.

Welcomed by the African Union’s first chairwoman, Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, who introduced him as the President of the United States of America, the first to address the A.U., and “one of our own,” Obama took the podium to sustained applause, cheers and whistles. In a wide-ranging speech that touched on his African roots, Obama celebrated the continent’s gains, noting that Africa has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with a middle class projected to grow to more than one billion consumers. “With hundreds of millions of mobile phones and surging access to the internet, Africans have the potential to leapfrog old technologies into new prosperity,” he said. But to continue on that trajectory, Obama warned, Africa “can’t let old traditions stand in the way.”

He called on African governments to maintain economic gains by improving democracy, protecting human rights and ensuring freedom of the press, singling out his host, the Ethiopian government, in particular for its crackdown on journalists and opposition leaders. “Democracy is not just formal elections,” Obama said to resounding applause. “When journalists are put behind bars for doing their jobs, or activists are threatened as governments crack down on civil society, then you may have democracy in name, but not in substance.”

He also encouraged African leaders to respect term limits, to act more like Nelson Mandela, who stood down after his second term as President of South Africa, and not like Burundi’s President Pierre Nkurunziza, who was just elected to a constitutionally illegal third term as President amidst widespread violence. “I have to be honest with you,” Obama said in comments that appeared to go off script. “I just don’t understand this. I actually think I am a pretty good president. I think if I ran again, I could win. But I can’t. The law is the law and no one is above it, not even presidents.” Even as representatives of the dozen African countries who have some of the longest-serving leaders in the world shifted uncomfortably in their seats, the audience erupted into the wildest cheers and loudest applause of the speech.

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Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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I am listening to Obama's speeches in Africa. I wonder if he would tel Arabs to stop treating women as second class citizen. I wonder where he gets it that Africa in women are not allowed to go to school. My facebook connection disproof that. Obama needs to live in Africa to know Africa personally and not by scripts written by Hillary Clinton.
Women own lands and trade in Africa for millenium. Women have independent income in Africa , Iya Oloja is a proof that women controlled business in the village. I condemn campaigns bases on promoting agender as if the other is not important. If you think that you can promote women without men, you fail woefully. African American women can tell you they are not happy with their boys in prison. Condalezza Rice had to maary a white man becuase no black man were raised enough for her.
Poverty strike both male and female and our campaign must be inclusive and not based on gender. I doubt if America can boast of economically powerfully women who also build a family like in Lagos.
The people of Niger Delta never knew poverty  until oil companies messed up the whole environment. Obama should as oil company to clean up the mess and our men will farm and fish while our women will improve in their markets.
Obama's siste said it all that "They gave Obama scripts before being sworn in as President, and he is fufiling his promise.
Otitigbe

Joseph Onuorah

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Otitigbe,

Your statement below shows a high level of ignominy.  If at this point in your life and with your experience and yet you do not understand the reasons why proportionally higher number of African Americans are struggling versus African immigrants, then you are really very ignorant.

Joe.


 
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Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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I am not ignorant.
I have been to the USA a couple of times and even went to African American church in Atlanta. I rode buses inside Atlanta and coudl see the differnet between African inmigrants and African Americans. I went to five points where the CNN headquarters is and at 4 pm the place was loaded with police because African American youths came out of their caves , all drugged while Africans leaving their workplace drove their beautiful cars along. I travel the underground train where I saw the difference between African form Ethiopia Ghana Gambia and the African Americans. I remember I took a bus in Atlanta and could not sit by African American and instead sat by Latinos, a Ghanaian came in and sat by Latino, then an Ethiopia boy entered the bus to sit by my side. All African American youths that mroning were all drugged and dirty. The driver alsp was African American woman who would not speek to anyone but by telephone telling the head office everytime she stopped and everytime she moved. I aske her how much to pay and she insulted be until a white American came to asist me, I was in suit so the way I spoke the white American new i was a visitor.
Do not deceive yourself.
Otitigbe

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Nwanna:

It is unfair to make such comparisons. Why? Not every irresponsible Nigerian gets a visa to come to America. Selected group come to America. On the other hand, every American, white or African American that you see in Nigeria are equally a select group. The ones you saw on the  trains were not about to know what a visa is all about. Neither do those guys who sleep under the bridges in Lagos. 

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K C Asagwara,

On " Akata"
I heard of the word Akata as early as 1986 when I was still at home. It was my nephew in Texas  telling me how he used to sleep in his car and sometimes prevented from going to work by his African American wife. He called her Akata.
I told him Akata sounds like Igbo
name or word.
He wrote back explaining it is a word that describes a "typical American Black, mostly women" unique behaviors, that our people at home would describe as typical of a woman with a mosquito bite in her brain.
I raised the issue so people like that knows the concept better  can help me know more.
Meanwhile, Ada, my girl , has refused to say why describing a behavior she exhibited as Akatarish got her crying.

I also want to know why a lot of urban black women with names such as Matasha , Katanya behave alike
( Akatarish )or may be am biased?
I dread any woman I think to be Akata
( behavior wise) like I dread a poisonous snake.
One Mbano guy here in Brooklyn said he got the "akata poison".
Dan

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Dan:

I bet you also heard Afis call Igbo Inyamiri but I don't hear you call Igbo Inyamiri because you heard Afis call Igbo Inyamiri. 


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afis

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Dan Akusobi, why don't you take Dr Asagwara's advice and quit while you are just being silly and ahead of the pack of Silliness?
If you call the African Americans "akata", you are calling yourself an animal.

Akata is a name of a specific animal in Yorubaland, very belligerent, incorrigible and disorganized (I think it is in the hyena or dog family......can't remember I just woke up after long night drive to a resort).

I always find calling our fellow brothers and sisters "Akata" offensive and as despicable as calling blacks "niggers".
Akata was not used as derogatory word for female African American , it was used for all Afro Americans in those days.
They call Jamaicans "Ireke", which means sugarcane, and the Arabs "Araba", Pakistans were "Paki".
AND ANYONE USING IT NOW IS AS DESPICABLE AS ANY WHITE CALLING US NIGGERS!

Those who formulate those names had no intent to discriminate, they just used them as Identifiers.
Why call African Americans "Akata" during those 40yrs ago period?
In my view because characteristically they are like Inyanminrins, full of "Ajangbila"........a fight to no end, and anger at the drop of a hat. If you had an argument with a black American in the park, he will run home to bring a gun, or if you left, he will wait for another day to complete the fight.

Dan stop harping on the word "Akata", the world has changed we know better now.
Our black American brothers and sisters are as good or better than most of us Africans.

You all enjoy your weekend, for I will mine.
Shikena

daniel Akusobi

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Igirigi,
I won't join Afis in calling anyone any derogatory names unless I have a strong reason to believe such persons described deserve the tag.

The Iyamirin thing is born out of envy of the Igbos by anyone that sings it.

We say nwata kpachou ibe ya na nku a si okpara ajo nku.

I only see some deep envy on  the Igbo tribe or Igbo person in anyone that calls us Iyamirin.
Envy is one of human vices that infests and diminishes and defines the perpetrator as inferior to the Inyamirin.
Dan

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Otitigbe, 

Joe said you don't understand why a higher proportion of Black Americans are struggling compared to African immigrants. I can confirm that most of immigrants from Africa living in US don't understand why a higher proportion of Black Americans are struggling. You should therefore be forgiven. If you and other Africans know the history of African-Americans and how the history is responsible for their socio-economic situation today, you will empathize with them.

Ayo Ojutalayo 

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Ezeana Igirigi

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Dan:

Even Afis asked you to quit the subject. Is it out of envy of African Americans that you relaxedly call them Akata? 


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Afis,
Am nearing the "donkey year " honor here in the USA and needed to know why I may be called a nigger and my Nigerian  Children here may be called Akata.
You have educated me as requested and thanks .
I will however disagree with you in your insinuation that an Igbo is a typical Akata. It seems you can easily wear such pants because you have always come back on the Igbos with shaper machetes.
There would not have been Afis, Ayo and Jerome if Igbos are like what you said about Akatarism.
I shall be apologising to my daughter later today. I did not give birth to a hyena.
What you described as a typical American black behaviour of gunning for his guns is still here. That is how one of us here was taken out in NYC by someone suspected to be "akata".
Diokpa was reported to have placed his hands on the shoulders of  a young black lady he walked  across the street about 2Am .
It's still ok to believe akatarism, whatever and any flavors they come is still dangerous.
Dan

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Tajudeen

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Akata is fox. Fox like to steal and eat chicken. African-Americans love to eat  chicken. Go figure out the connection. 

Calling someone an Akata is in the same level as calling someone the n word. They are both derogatory words. 

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afis

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Dan Akusobi, It's the idiocy in Igbo that translates to Inyanminrin.

Igbos are called "ajokuta mamomi", because they act without deep thinking.
For only an idiot would eat a "symbolic rock" in the first place, and secondly to avoid drinking water after eating rocks would be super idiotic!

No Yoruba can envy Igbos or their way of life because Yoruba way of life precludes Cutlass beheadings or Eating Humans. Yoruba collectively in Nigeria are decades ahead of Igboland.
Okorocha just started imitating Chief Awo, while Tinubu is building Atlantic coastal city in Lagos.
By the time Igbos learn to build a Cocoa House, guess where Yoruba would be.......hehehehehe!

No envy when I call Igbos Inyanminrins, just a name for a super-idiotic Tribe. In fact you should ask Chukwuma Agwunobi why I call Igbos any name I feel.

I hope it's clearer now.
Shikena,

afis

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Dan Akusobi, you may disagree all you want, that won't change Igbos "Nmanjakiri" syndrome.
I don't wish things on Igbos, they are ordained from Heavens.

Have you ever attended any Igbo gathering where Igbos weren't talking on each other like barbarians?
Look, if we have to help Igbos, we can't do it in Denial.

Think about this: if Igbos had guns instead of cutlasses, with their prone to Anger.......don't you think there won't be anyone left in Igboland?

Ayo Ojutalayo

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Dan,

I hope you also see envy in those who call Yorubas "Ngbati". 

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Joseph Onuorah

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Folks,

This characterization of African Americans as "akata" regardless of your motive, regardless of what you want it to meaning, is annoying. Quite frankly any Black person using such name to describe an African American is sick for in his/her ignorant and devilish state of mind, forgets that demeaning African Americans whose blood and effort paved the way for ALL Black people to enter schools, to use same restroom, to eat in same restaurant, etc is not only disrespectful but annoyingly foolish!  When I look at many Africans who use such word, I saw nothing but arrogance of nothing! What can they show as measurable contribution to the world they live in? They could not even fight to make lives of people in their respective countries any better. Cowards who could not even join in the match for good! How dare them?

I request that we drop further propagation of this word and all it stands for! 
 

Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Dan.
You know that there are some Yoruba in this forum that hates those who differ. Do you know the origin and meaning of Iyanmirin?
If you do not let me know.
Otitigbe.


El 01/08/2015 a las 11:55, daniel Akusobi escribió:

Igirigi,
I won't join Afis in calling anyonhe any derogatory names unless I have a strong reason to believe such persons described deserve the tag.

Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Ayo.
I am not making a mockery of African Americans. Their attitude is the same all over the ceribeans and South America. It is a result of the very terrible histroy that was well planned to submit the black man to servitude. I give you example in the US, to punish a black man , they gathered slaves to watcn the punshment, The tied one of the legs with a chain to a horse, they tied the other leg with a chain and unto another horse, then they empty fuel on him and set him ablaze , he cried out and the horses were ordered to move to tear him apart. Fear was impossed on other black people.
In Argentina, a black man was tied to a public plaza and flogged becuase he could read and write.
With the current situation in the US whereby white police slaughter black people with impunity, there is need for blak rebelion to force a civil war in the US. I mena to say that black people must be forced to shed blood for their freedom. Freedom must never be free.
So I understand the terror inblack people. They need leader like Malcom X, not Farakash, not Jesse Jackson. They need leaders that can speak the langauge of racist police.
Otitigbe.

afis

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"With the current situation in the US whereby white police slaughter black people with impunity, there is need for blak rebelion to force a civil war in the US. I mena to say that black people must be forced to shed blood for their freedom. Freedom must never be free."..........By Dumb Man Otitigbe.


Afis comment: This guy is either being stupid or inherited Stupidity by a graveyard.
He wants to reinvent Penicillin. Civil war on Slavery or Human Rights fought more than 100yrs ago, give and take.
Civil Rights nonviolent wars fought by MLK.
Obama became president due to won wars.

Here comes swegbe Otitigbe, who is proposing another civil war for his imaginary lack of freedom.
If there was no freedom for blacks in America, how did we African immigrants get there and own shops and gas stations and become doctors and lawyers?
Moron!
Afis

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
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daniel Akusobi

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Ayo
I do not know  the history behind Mgbati. Somebody said it is a description of how Yoruba language / speeches sound.
What do you think ?.
Dan

afis

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Dan Akusobi, stop making a fool of yourself.
You know Mgbati is how Yoruba speaks, but calling Inyanminrins their Inyanminrin comes from envy.
You sound like real Inyanminrin.

Like I said decades ago, let tour enemies talk but don't hold me down when I say mine.
I love free speech.
Afis

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daniel Akusobi

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Afis,
Igbos are Inyanmiris and am Igbo. What else would you call Igbos since you cannot say Igbos are ndi ofe  mmanu?

Dan

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afis

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Dan Akusobi, I don't understand your Rambler's Thoughts below.
Pls elaborate.

BUSKA

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AFIS ODIDERE ARE YOU THERE!
Your invitation for next year is waiting o
Celebrating THE NEW YAM FESTIVAL with the ARAIRUN KINKINS 


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Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD

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Yes Busca.
They  bring joy, peace, harmony and blessings to the people.
When you study the reason behind the Egungun you will undertand why our people survived all kinds of vicisitudes.
Otitigbe.

afis

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Buska, that's how you invite people to a Festival?
Funny man!

On Aug 2, 2015, 6:47:45 PM, Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD wrote: Yes Busca.
Date:Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 2:58 am
Subject:Re: [africanworldforum] Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama

I am not ignorant.
I have been to the USA a couple of times and even went to African American church in Atlanta. I rode buses inside Atlanta and coudl see the differnet between African inmigrants and African Americans. I went to five points where the CNN headquarters is and at 4 pm the place was loaded with police because African American youths came out of their caves , all drugged while Africans leaving their workplace drove their beautiful cars along. I travel the underground train where I saw the difference between African form Ethiopia Ghana Gambia and the African Americans. I remember I took a bus in Atlanta and could not sit by African American and instead sat by Latinos, a Ghanaian came in and sat by Latino, then an Ethiopia boy entered the bus to sit by my side. All African American youths that mroning were all drugged and dirty. The driver alsp was African American woman who would not speek to anyone but by telephone telling the head office everytime she stopped and everytime she moved. I aske her how much to pay and she insulted be until a white American came to asist me, I was in suit so the way I spoke the white American new i was a visitor.
Do not deceive yourself.
Otitigbe

El 01/08/2015 a las 0:38, 'Joseph Onuorah' via AfricanWorldForum escribió:

Otitigbe,

Your statement below shows a high level of ignominy. If at this point in your life and with your experience and yet you do not understand the reasons why proportionally higher number of African Americans are struggling versus African immigrants, then you are really very ignorant.

Joe.


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afis

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"With the current situation in the US whereby white police slaughter black people with impunity, there is need for blak rebelion to force a civil war in the US. I mena to say that black people must be forced to shed blood for their freedom. Freedom must never be free."..........By Dumb Man Otitigbe.


Afis comment: This guy is either being stupid or inherited Stupidity by a graveyard.
He wants to reinvent Penicillin. Civil war on Slavery or Human Rights fought more than 100yrs ago, give and take.
Civil Rights nonviolent wars fought by MLK.
Obama became president due to won wars.

Here comes swegbe Otitigbe, who is proposing another civil war for his imaginary lack of freedom.
If there was no freedom for blacks in America, how did we African immigrants get there and own shops and gas stations and become doctors and lawyers?
Moron!
Afis

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