Re: Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

[Vin Otuonye]

Olu:

I don't understand the proper authorization you mean. The President requested release of the funds. She wrote to confirm or inquire about it and you're talking about proper authorization. What other authorization do you need? Remember,  I said before that my South West compatriots and Adam Oshiomhole are Ngozi Okonjo Iweala 's biggest critics.They criticize when there's nothing to be critical about. That is why I said the next Finance Minister must come from the SW so we can see what he or she can do. But the problem in our society is this seemingly "big man syndrome". It is a situation where just one individual, for example the President or the governor will run the State and legislators are nothing but rubber stamps. We see it al the time in State governments. Isn't it the job of the legislature to pass and authorize spending? Have they lived up to their constitutional role? If for example, the President or the governor requested for release of funds and the Minister or Commissioner refused, he or she will be fired for insubordination or lack of loyalty. 

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But did she ever obtain the said proper authorisation before the release of the sums? And if so where is it buried?

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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

Obi,

You are giving free basic civic lessons that ought to be paid for. 

There are folks who have made up their minds to devote their time to the pull Okonjo Iweala down project. In pursuit of that project they make a mockery of themselves and most of us stay quiet on the sidelines joining them to mock themselves 

The world continues to celebrate Iweala while the haters continue to have heartburn. I join the world in celebrating an African woman of substance 

If during the investigations, it is found that Iweala kept some of the approved funds for herself or that the NSA gave her some of the funds for 'special prayer sessions ' then the world will condemn her and I will be at the front condemning her. 

Anyway those of us who were of age in 1984 know this is all drama to deflect attention from the looming economic crisis staring us in the face. Deja vu. 

Let someone wake me up when a former president or governor or minister actually goes to jail and his/ her loot returned to the treasury

Joe

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So, what is the beef in this letter? I do not say the following in defence of Mrs Okonjo-Iweala, but as a comment on the frivolity of public debate, either based on preventable ignorance or sheer mischief. Anybody who reads this letter from the ex-Minister of Finance to the President, even at a cursory level, will note the following:

a) The minister covered herself by seeking proper authority to release money to the NSA. If she released the money without due conference with the president, then she will have questions to answer.

b) The National Security Agency made a proper request for funding in a meeting, possibly a National Security meeting chaired by the president in which that forma request was made, and presumably the decision to release money from the Abacha funds agreed.

c) an Executive decision was clearly made to vire money from the recovered Abacha money on a 50-50 basis to solve the problem of Arms procurement as requested by the NSA. If Nigerians remember, a broad case had been made about the problem of arms by the Nigerian Armed Forces in the fight against Boko Haram. Questions had also been raised aby the process of defence procurement in the past which had been problematic, and the president, following advise from his National Security Adviser made the judgment call to procure arms through the National Security Agency rather than through the normal Defence Contracting procedure.  The president was within his executive rights to make that call. The Minister of Finance demonstrated judgment and accountability by requesting the authority of the president to make the requested fund available to the NSA.  Mrs. Iweala did not break the law because she adhered to the strict procedure in seeking presidential authority. She did not act on her own whim. She released the funds to the agency ONLY as authorized by the president. There is no evidence that she was involved directly in the procurement process thereafter.

I think the question Nigerians should be more concerned with should be (a) Were funds properly appropriated for the purpose for which it was requested? (b) Did the president break any financial laws in authorizing the release of funds outside of the authority of the National Assembly?(c) Was the fund fully released to the NSA as requested, and as was authorized by the president, (d) Were the funds used for the purpose for which the president authorized his minister of finance to release money for an Agency of state charged by the president to procure arms for the fight against the insurgency under a national emergency framework?, and (d) Was the minister right to release the funds. But even more importantly, did the elected National Assembly exert any oversight, as it should, on the process? These are the questions. But from the evidence of this letter, the Minister and the President acted responsibly. The onus is now on the former NSA  to show that the National Security Agency, under his leadership, did exactly what he was legitimately authorized to do. That is, that he purchased the arms, and that the process of procurement fell within authorized guidelines, and that neither Jonathan nor Iweala nor any of their nominees, benefited directly either as contractors, or through kick-backs, from the process.

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Below is the letter written by Mrs Ngozi Okonjo Iweala seeking Jonathan's authority to incur military expenditure (AIE ) based on the memo from the NSA .

This clearly shows that the appropriation was done between Sambo Dasuki, Okonjo Iweala and Goodluck Jonathan .

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Coolbreeze:

My understanding is that funds can only be expended when duly appropriated by the legislature. That in my view is the authorisation she required before the release of funds.

No one has remotely suggested this occurred. A nod and wink from the President in our 'democracy' under the 1999 constitutional provisions does not and cannot count for proper authorisation.

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The money not appropriated for in d budget

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[Vin Otuonye]

Olu:

I don't think it happen like that in practice. Our democracy is still a work in progress. Executive domination is rampant and it is even worse in the States where the governors are emperors. 

But I really would think that the National Assembly may have authorized the procurement of arms to  fight the insurgency. 

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Subject: Re: Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

Coolbreeze:

My understanding is that funds can only be expended when duly appropriated by the legislature. That in my view is the authorisation she required before the release of funds.

No one has remotely suggested this occurred. A nod and wink from the President in our 'democracy' under the 1999 constitutional provisions does not and cannot count for proper authorisation.

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Subject: Re: Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

[Ishola Williams]

VO,I concur sir.
However,I have always believed that at a stage in a career,one must say no.
To be sacked for standing on high moral and legal grounds is honourable and proof of integrity.It did happen including due process with Obasanjo.
This issue goes beyond ethnicity and she knows.iw

[Ishola Williams]

VO,The NASS approved USD1 Billion for the President without asking for details just before the elections.From the revelations so far,some military procurement did happen but most of the money was shared by the President and the NSA with the selfish enemies of the poor of our country .
PDP IS REALLY A PARTY DECEIVING THE PEOPLE.
An exPresident of Argentina is in jail.Same with Guatemala.South Korea has done same.GEJ MUST ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY AND SEEK PEOPLES FORGIVENESS.
OBj has accepted that he was not incorruptible.
This is why men and women like Oby Ezekwesili like Ribadu who used to swear that OBJ is incorruptible need to hide their faces in shame.
There are tested men and women of INTEGRITY in our country,let them come out and beat their chests We need them now not the hypocrites iw

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Olu:

I don't think it happen like that in practice. Our democracy is still a work in progress. Executive domination is rampant and it is even worse in the States where the governors are emperors. 

But I really would think that the National Assembly may have authorized the procurement of arms to  fight the insurgency. 

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye

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Subject: Re: Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

Coolbreeze:

My understanding is that funds can only be expended when duly appropriated by the legislature. That in my view is the authorisation she required before the release of funds.

No one has remotely suggested this occurred. A nod and wink from the President in our 'democracy' under the 1999 constitutional provisions does not and cannot count for proper authorisation.

Olu/

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Subject: Re: Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

[Omoluabi]

Beautiful People,

Power, money and position can be enchanting indeed. Madam simply could not walk away....

I can't laugh.

Okonjo-Iweala and her supporters club are comical.

Every time monies go missing, Okonjo-Iweala will shout "Jonathan approved" ! SURE-P monies missing, "Jonathan approved". Excess Crude Account (ECA) monies missing, "Jonathan approved". $20 Billion NNPC monies missing, "Jonathan approved". $2 Billion defense monies missing, "Jonathan approved". Recovered Abacha monies missing, "Jonathan approved"!

Haba, madam?!?!?!?!??! So, what the hell did she reform if people could still, on the strength of her own approval, waltz into the central bank and be carrying monies out as if we were in Uganda under Idi Amin?!?!?

Civics lesson? How about getting approval from the NASS? How about informing the finance and defense committees in the national assembly so that they can do their oversight functions? Too funny how madam's supporters club want to blame Nigerians for madam's incompetence or complicity.

At the least, she is guilty of aiding and abetting. At the very least.

Viscount


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VO,I concur sir.
However,I have always believed that at a stage
in a career,one must say no.
To be sacked
for standing on high moral and legal grounds is honourable
and proof of integrity.It did happen including due process
with Obasanjo.
This issue goes beyond
ethnicity and she knows.iw

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[Attachment(s) from
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Below is the letter written by Mrs Ngozi Okonjo Iweala
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expenditure (AIE ) based on the memo from the NSA .




This clearly shows that the appropriation was done between
Sambo Dasuki, Okonjo Iweala and Goodluck Jonathan .




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Vin:

I couldn't agree more with some of your comments on this thread.

Nigerian governance is afflicted with the

  OGA AT THE TOP SYNDROME!

My only concern is that a technocrat of NOI's calibre should

have resigned her position rather than being used to rubber

stamp the disbursements and transfers of huge amounts

of public funds in cash into other official's private custody--for

unwholesome purposes that have nothing to do with governance

and the socio-economic development of the peoples of Nigeria.

Even if she is not officially aware of the shenanigans involved in

the transfer of huge portions of the Abacha loot to the PDP,

common sense dictates that she would have known as an active card

carrying senior member of the PDP.

See no evil and hear no evil might be befitting of an ostrich who prefers to

bury her head in the sand, it is totally unbecoming of a bureaucrat of NOI's

calibre, worldwide experience and pedigree.

To say that I am disappointed in NOI, would be a major understatement

on my part. Would NOI have accented to such unwholesome transactions without asking any questions when she worked as a VP of the World Bank?

Bye,

Ola

[Philip Achusim]

Yea. Nobody has the guts to say no to Buhari, our president and oil minister. But they wanted Igbo to have said no to Obasanjo and GEJ when they ordered Igbo to transfer money. These people have nerve. They want Igbo to do the impossible, to do what they are either unable to do or don't want to do. 

Get this. Someone goes to Igbo and says Buhari wants you to release $322 million to them. The Igbo says to herself that she wants to hear this from the horse's mouth. So she called Buhari, but Buhari was in Cotonou attending a funeral. So the Igbo wisely wrote to Buhari asking if it was true that Buhari requested the release of the funds. Buhari wrote back and told the Igbo to comply with his instructions pronto, or. And she did. (Always get it in writing is my instruction to everyone.)Only Igbo haters will find fault with what she did. The Igbo haters don't have testicles or the fortitude to go after Buhari for authorizing the transfer of the funds. The bullies will go after any and every Igbo no matter how far removed from the event. Yep. Igbo is the convenient scapegoat every Nigerian looks for. They can't say no to Buhari, and they could not say no to GEJ and they could not say no to Obasanjo. But they are waxing brilliant they think, when they tell you that the insignificant Igbo, the Igbo they could not build the Niger bridge for, should have said no to Obasanjo and GEJ and Buhari. I say hush. 

If you have problems with Obasanjo, GEJ or Buhari, you know where to find them. Leave Igbo out of your silliness. The Halliburton Bribery Scandal List is there without any Igbo on it. Obasanjo and Atiku are stars on that list. But the list is mothballed. And who do they want? The lowly Igbo messenger. 

Ezeana Achusim

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[Rex Marinus]

General Ishola:

The basic facts of this matter should be made clear: a National Assembly had approved an emergency $1 billion spending bill on request by the president to fight the Boko Haram insurgency. It was an extra-budgetary bill, and the president after meetings with the committee on spendings, decided to deploy moneys from a national account to fund that request, and its omnibus authorization by parliament.  The National Assembly did not specify any particular area from which the $1 billion could come - whether it would be through new taxation, or withdrawals from the Sovereign Fund, or from borrowings from the National Provident Fund, or from a bank. The president could have, following the authorization of his omnibus request from the National Assembly, chosen to borrow the $1 billion from the IMF, or raise taxes, or borrow from the National Retirement Funds, or from any of the sovereign funds, including the Abacha fund which is now held in trust for Nigeria, subject to its use. The president chose to take part of that money - about $300 million to fund the mandate of the National Assembly. The question of whether the president could do just that must have been debated, and presumably cleared by the Presidential Attorney, and of course, the Attorney-General acting for the Ministry of Justice. There is nothing in the narrative that shows yet that all these steps were not taken. It is therefore within the presidents authority and mandate to deploy the use of National funds, and in the particular case of this open authority by the NA for an emergency funding, raise the money from wherever he deems fit, subject to accounting to the National Assembly. That is why he was elected president: to make those kinds of judgment call.

Now the crucial question is: did he benefit directly or even indirectly from the use of that fund? Was any part of the fund expended directly by the presidential office, and not in line with the reasons for which it was budgeted and approved? These are the questions which the 8th National Assembly should be asking, not president Buhari. If the investigations arms of the National Assembly arrives at the conclusion that the former president and his National Security adviser have, through their work, not fully accounted for the use of funds, they would call for their summons, and their investigation by the Criminal Investigations Department of the Nigerian Police, a a function now taken over by the EFCC, and eventual prosecution. National Security investigations are high-level investigations and are usually closed-door everywhere in the world. A lot of security funds are slush funds, used sometimes for the unnameable. President Buhari ought to know this, and should really be thoughtful on these questions because he cannot be jury and judge, and president at the same time. A clean process would affirm the rule of law. It is thus important to bring both the ex-president and his National Security adviser before an investigations panel of the National Assembly, after which, should they satisfy themselves that there was a breach in public accounting authorize the incumbent president to initiate prosecution through his minister of justice. 

 In any case, the task of the minister is not to second-guess the president once the necessary clearance had been made legally, but to seek full authority to act in the presidents name as the Nation's Chief Treasurer, and release money as fully approved. Mrs. Iweala did exactly that, and cannot be held responsible for whatever ways an agency, particularly the National Security agency expends the approved fund. That would be the work of the Auditor-General, and the Inspections department of the Contract Monitoring Agency, all of whom should report to the National Assembly. A minister can take the "moral high ground" as you suggest, only when there is a moral and legal conflict, and a matter of high principle involved. But there was no such basis for agony on a matter that had been given necessary weight in the authority of the president backed by a National Assembly mandate. We need to keep this narrative straight so as not to muddle it with other larger issues. 

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Sir,

You are peddling inaccuracies here. The National Assembly approved a loan facility of the said sum, quite seperate from Abacha loot and other funds, please don't conflate issues. The sums in question were never appropriated, if you assert otherwise please prove.

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[Omoluabi]

On a lighter note, seeing how he is being thrown under the bus, Jonathan must be singing Chris Brown's "these........ain't loyal" Happy weekend y'all! "They ain't loyal...... Viscount

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[Joe Attueyi]

Dr Kassim

While I respect your right to your view on NOI Let's keep the debate factual. 

You wrote:

used to rubber

stamp the disbursements and transfers of huge amounts

of public funds in cash into other official's private custody--

There is absolutely no basis for your assertion above. Ministry of finance transfers through CBN to the account of each MDAs the amounts approved/ appropriated to them. 

If the MDAs decide to withdraw cash from their accounts to use in implementing their duties they don't need the finance minister to approve or 'rubber stamp' that process. 

You wrote:

My only concern is that a technocrat of NOI's calibre should

have resigned her position rather than being used

While I understand the emotionalism behind this question which many well meaning folks have asked none have been able to clarify something for me. Maybe you can:

If your house is in darkness and there is for instance only one flickering candle there, is that what you would do? Question what that candle is doing in the midst of darkness and promptly snuff it out?

Joe

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I don't buy your argument a bit. It is sophistry to suggest that since the authorization given by the National Assembly is omnibus ‎ then the president can dip his hand anywhere and source for money. Do you know that the authorization was contained in an Act passed by the National Assembly? 

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[Joe Attueyi]

The sums in question were never appropriated, if you assert otherwise please prove.

Hehehehe! Bro Olu na waoh!

You assert it was not appropriated. And then ask anyone who disagrees with your assertion to prove so.  I thought you making the assertion ought to share the security / defense budget appropriations and prove from it that your assertion is correct

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Pastor Joe:

I am too pragmatic to snuff out the only candle providing

the only flicker of light in the darkness as this would only result

in total darkness,

However, I would also ensure that I do not get so cozy 

with the 'purveyors' of darkness to the extent that their actions

would begin to taint my integrity.

I have always been a big fan of NOI--and something within me still hopes

that all these (her involvement) in these dastardly deeds are NOT true!

Bye,

Ola

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Pastor Joe: once I have made my claim the burden of proof moves to unto you, if you have proof tender it. That's how the law of evidence works.

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Appropriation will mean the president would have prepared an estimate and state the source where the money is coming from. For instance in the proposed budget 2016 which President Buhari sent to the Senate early this week the funds recovered from those that looted the treasury was included. Also the Constitution says any money received by the Federal government must be paid into the Consolidated Revenue Fund and must be appropriated before expenditure!  

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[Wilson Iguade]

All na grammar, the fund was not used for the INTENDED purpose, Bottomline. That is the problem or issue. 

All the grammars below focus on the the "process" by which the FUND was disburse not the RESULTS for which the fund was obtained/intended. This is the problem with Nigeria's so called "best and brightest". Instead of focusing on the results, which in this case appears to be complete embezzlements and the appropriate action taken under law, una dey blow grammar on the "process". The objective was to secure weapons and equipments to fight Boko Haram, and this is the critical point: had the fund been ACTUALLY USED to purchase arms/weapons and those weapons and equipments used to DEFEAT Boko Haram - we would not be blowing grammar here and the "process" would have yielded a WINNING RESULT! 

JONA did what he was supposed to do to defeat Boko Haram. Madam Iweala did was she was supposed to do to defeat Boko Haram, those in charge of the money failed to EXECUTE the intended purpose of the use of the money to defeat Boko Haram are the ones that need to be called under law and punished.

Now, Buhari has RECOVERED some or all of this money, according to Buhari himself on world stage. So, what is Buhari administration doing with the fund recovered? Does Buhari administration intend to repeat the mistakes of "clueless" in the use of recovered money? If so, that would be "ignorant". 

Now, you see WHY "clueless is out, ignorant is in" 

Lord have mercy! Iguade

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[Joe Attueyi]

Sir,

Therefore i can make my claim that it was appropriated and if you dont agree with me you should provide proof that it was not 

Joe 

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

The sums in question were never appropriated, if you assert otherwise please prove.

Hehehehe! Bro Olu na waoh!

You assert it was not appropriated. And then ask anyone who disagrees with your assertion to prove so.  I thought you making the assertion ought to share the security / defense budget appropriations and prove from it that your assertion is correct

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Sir,

You are peddling inaccuracies here. The National Assembly approved a loan facility of the said sum, quite seperate from Abacha loot and other funds, please don't conflate issues. The sums in question were never appropriated, if you assert otherwise please prove.

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Coolbreeze:

My understanding is that funds can only be expended when duly appropriated by the legislature. That in my view is the authorisation she required before the release of funds.

No one has remotely suggested this occurred. A nod and wink from the President in our 'democracy' under the 1999 constitutional provisions does not and cannot count for proper authorisation.

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Sir,

My proof is the 2015 budget and the hansard of proceedings of the National Assembly 2014/5. No appropriation for such is included therein.

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[Honourable Oluwaseyi Ogunyinka.]

Just being curious. Why did ex President Olusegun Obasanjo stated that "Ngozi Okonjo Iweala that served under me is different from Ngozi Okonjo Iweala that served under ex President Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan"? 

What did Obasanjo see then that majority of Nigerians were not privy to? 

Could Madam Ngozi stopped the bleeding of the Nation's treasury as the Coordinating Minister of the economy and Minister of Finance or she could have bowed out or leave when the ovation was high rather than everyone dipping their hands in the cookie jar? 

Could she have used her international connection going by her profile to stop the Nigerian Treasury Drastic Hemorrhaging (NTDH) even if her hands are tied because spectators are the best soccer player. An insider sometimes might be a good change such as being a WHISTLEBLOWER. 

The former Minister for State for Finance Oluremi Babalola resigned when he saw everything happening left and right.

Only in Nigeria can a LOOTED money by Abacha can be RE-LOOTED again and again. 

When did Nduka Obaigbena or Sambo Dasuki turned to be Geico or All-State Insurance Company disbursing compensation money while millions of Nigerians couldn't afford a daily meal, go to hospital, get jobs or live as a human being?

How much was paid to Boko Haram Victims families or those in IDP Camps for resettlement? 

Imagine a lot of graduates that are jobless, couldn't afford to leave their parents house talk less of marrying to procreate.

Could the Abacha recovered loot and treasury looting be diverted only to road construction and let the Emergency responders (Fire Fighters, Federal Road Safety Corps, Police on the highway)  have a day of rest rather than counting how many dead bodies or accident victims were picked up nationwide on our roads? Are we not tired of death statistics?

Roads constructions were awarded as contracts over and over, Niger Bridge abandoned for years. Imagine if FUNCTIONAL BRIDGES &  PORTS are constructed in the southeast, won't life be easier and products, service and commodities be cheaper rather than Lagos being the only port of entry and haulage vehicles had destroyed the roads. 

Many companies left Nigeria for neighbouring Ghana because of incessant erratic power supply. 

Our graduates certificate nowadays are subject to review before hiring them in other countries or with a multinational companies based in Nigeria. 

We are not fools. Let's not put ethnic bigotry into play but see things objectively not with an opaque glass and let's call a spade a spade and let us all put our hands together to build a nation Nigeria that we can be proud of and leave behind for our children and unborn generation. Posterity will judge us all. 

Obasanjo said you can only help someone get a job, you can't help him in his day to day performance.

More revelations are still coming. Could you imagine what would have happened if Jonathan was re-elected?

Honourable Oluwaseyi Ogunyinka,  DCS, DPA, MBA/HRM

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[Rex Marinus]

Joe, it is Olu eating his cake and having it! So, actually Olu, the onus is on you to provide proof that my assertion is "peddling inaccuracies." Could you provide counter proof that the National Assembly provided a "loans facility" separate from the Abacha funds? From which specific source did the National Assembly direct the president to take the loan under the financial schedule of the emergency appropriation? In fact, is it not clear in the ex-minister's letter that the withdrawal from Abacha's fund would be regarded as a "loan" from that fund to accomplish an emergency mandate, and to be accounted for to the president. The Abacha fund was a "dormant fund" and it was put to use. That's what governments do everywhere in the world. They source from the cheapest "available funds" subject of course, to full accounting. The fundamental question will be: having taken from this money, was it fully and properly utilized as was appropriated? This is where the National Security Agency has questions to answer - the use of the money as disbursed, not in the disbursement, which followed every financial protocol because it was a "funded mandate" of the National Assembly. And I hope this also responds to Okoi's issue with "sophistry."

Obi Nwakanma

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Sir,

The Appropriation Act 2014/5 does not provide for the supplementary sums you referred to.

The President's request was for authorisation to source $1billion dollar loan facility which was approved, quite separate from normal or supplementary appropriation.

Other sums expended which supprass the amount you refer to were not appropriated.

Olu/

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[Rex Marinus]

The $1 billion was not part of the 2015 budget because it was "extra-budgetary." It was sent to the NA as part of an emergency appropriation after the National Budget had been passed, under a process the Americans would call "continuing resolution." You should look again at the schedule of the National Assembly.

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[Wilson Iguade]

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PDP IS REALLY A PARTY DECEIVING THE PEOPLE.

... GEJ MUST ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY AND SEEK PEOPLES FORGIVENESS. By Gen. IW

Unquote

Response: Bullshit! APC financed its presidential campaign with looted funds and LOANS not paid back yet. APC used Tinubu's looted money, APC used Rivers State TREASURY under Amaechi's regime and loots from numerous sources. Buhari MUST ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY for being one of the oles AND SEEK PEOPLES FORGIVENESS.

Quote#2

There are tested men and women of INTEGRITY in our country,let them come out and beat their chests We need them now not the hypocrites iw

Unquote

Response: I guess that Gen. IW will not or is incapable of coming out as a tested individual with INTEGRITY and beat his chests out of hypocrisy - since according to him "we need them now not the hypocrites". 

Stay tuned for hypocrites taking over, according to Gen. Ishola who refuses to beat his INTEGRITY chest, thus fronting as a hypocrite.

Iguade 

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[olaka...@aol.com]

Dear All:

I could never have imagined that all it takes to

empty the Nigerian treasury and tranfer hundreds of millions

of US dollars and billions of Naira from the CBN into the custody

custody of a few government officials are just a few handwritten

notes (minutes--as they call them) and signatures on cheap stationery

 in this technological age and year of our Lord 2015!

Now we know some of the reasons why apart from the 20 billion USD 

whistleblowing, SLS was removed as the Gov of the CBN.

I doubt if SLS would have approved the disbursement in cash of $305 million

US dollars (eventually carried out of the CBN premises in 11 suit cases)

if he had remained in office as the Gov of the CBN.

These crooks are responsible for the underdevelopment and the miserable livelihood of

our fellow citizens in Nigeria.

These rogues must be forced to regurgitate from their swollen stomachs

the huge sums they have stolen from the peoples of Nigeria.

If these shenanigans had happened in China, the politicians and bureaucrats would have'been lined up and

shot by a squad upon their speedy conviction!

[Wilson Iguade]

"Do you know that the authorization was contained in an Act passed by the National Assembly?" By Atty Okoi

Response: That is the real question. If an appropriation (supplement or not) was passed by NASS. Then, under law, the president must find the money/fund because that is the job of the executive branch, so the argument you did not buy has some relevance. 

Stay tuned as we debate who be thief, I naw be thief! You bi ole#1, I naw bi ole#1.

Sai Iguade

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[Rex Marinus]

Ok, so you agree that a supplementary bill was passed authorizing the president to source a loan for $1 billion, outside of the 2015 budget. Again, where is the beef? The president, as very clearly state in the former minister's letter clearly sought counsel, and decided to utilize part of the Abacha funds, primarily as part of a loan to fund the emergency as approved by the National Assembly. He was within his rights as president to source this loan from the cheapest, and most easily available source. I do not get this obsession about the use appropriation of the Abacha fund. Again, we must be interested in the USE of that fund not its APPROPRIATION. Those are two different beasts. 

Obi Nwakanma

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[employ...@aol.com]

Sir,

You are being dishonest. That's not what occurred you are simply re-writing history.

The recovery of Abacha's heist was not a loan it was stolen funds recovered. You now claim GEJ borrowed from it? Where is the loan instrument and what are the repayment terms?

Please do not stray from the truth.

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[afis 'Deinde]

This guy Obi Nwakanma is a snake oil salesman!

The attorney general doesn't need any instructions from the president or NASS to investigate and prosecute Thieves.

All the grammar below are smokescreens.

Shikena 

Afis

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[Chika Onyeani]

[Wilson Iguade]

The point that needs to be clear is: did NASS appropriated that fund? 

If the answer is yes! Then, it is the administration, the Executive Branch, responsibility to FIND the money, period! Yes, that includes using Abacha recovered loot that Buhari has never recognized existed because Abacha, according to Buhari, did not loot. 

Again, let's be clear on a single issue. Did NASS appropriated the fund? If so, it becomes LAW, and the president, any president, that refuses to act on passed and signed appropriation bills faces a legitimate impeachment and removal from office, period! 

Stay tuned for Buhari's impeachment charges for failing to disclose how much of this money has he recovered? 

Sai Iguade

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[Wilson Iguade]

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once I have made my claim the burden of proof moves to unto you, if you have proof tender it. That's how the law of evidence works.
Olu/

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Response: Really! That is how the law of evidence works. Okay! Here is my claim: The sums in question were 

 appropriated by NASS, and JONA followed the law and authorized the fund necessary to implement the law, if you assert otherwise please prove. Case closed!

Iguade, learning how the law of evidence works and using it to his benefits.

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[Wilson Iguade]

Atty Okoi,

Reading yours below, demonstrates you are confused by the term "appropriation". The example from the president you cited is NOT appropriation - it is a Fiscal Budget. 

Second, only NASS passes "appropriation" under the constitution, and NASS can and do add expenditures from what was received from the Executive Branch when passing "Appropriation Bill". 

Of course, the president can refuse to sign ANY bill from NASS, in this case, appropriation, and SHUT the government down. 

Stay tuned for more business 101. Iguade

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[Wilson Iguade]

Damn right!

You got that right! According to Olu's teaching of how evidence works. 

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[Wilson Iguade]

Too late, it is claim and counter claim, and prove nothing. This is what you have taught us in your anger to be righteous. Complete Bullshit! 

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[Wilson Iguade]

You are confused! You are no clear on what is an appropriation. NASS fucking decides "appropriation" with or without the request of the prez. Of course, prez can refuse to sign the Bill. 

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[employ...@aol.com]

No comments to you sir, have your fill.

Olu/

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[afis 'Deinde]

Dr Ojedokun, you need sign language to explain what you meant to Wilson Iguade.
Congenital Condition called "Cyber-Ly hard of hearing".

Hehehehehe!

Shikena 

Afis

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[ishola williams]

WI,I have come out so many times and I am still waiting for any Nigerian dead or alive at home or abroad who agrees with you to come out and spill the beans.

Until you or anybody can do that,I stand  by what I say.iw as usual,no shaking.

 

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[Omoluabi]

That $1 billion was different o! Please google it and see that it was specific on how the funds/loan would be sourced. This re-looted Abacha monies had absolutely nothing to do with that $1 billion, thank you very much. Viscount

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[Wilson Iguade]

Gen. IW,

I am standing by in holding you accountable to what you said for others to do, and asking that you lead by example. By your definition, I, Wilson Iguade, have come out so many times and I am still waiting for any Nigerian dead or alive at home or abroad who agrees with you, Gen. IW, to come out and pound their CHESTS as you indicated and spill the beans.

All I know is that you were given a position of public trust as an Army General, and you claimed you did your best, fine! On the other hand, I have not being given any position of PUBLIC TRUST for my records to be established. 

BTW: I do not aspire to become a government worker, like your MESSIAH, Buhari and his COHORTS. Buhari, like you, have fed off government money for life, the difference between you and Buhari, in my mind, is - Buhari is a THIEF, thus his houses everywhere from London to Abuja, while you have nothing because as I understand it you are NOT ole (did not steal). But, you and Buhari have one thing in COMMON, BOTH of YOU SUPPORT AND ADVOCATE FOR thieves. You, Gen. IW, advocates for Buhari, a thief. Buhari advocates for and defends thieves like Tinubu, Amaechi, and APC looters. Now, this is an example of my spilling beans. Any doubt?

When, noticed I said "when" not "if", when I am "called" to serve my people, I will do it for FREE like Mike Bloomberg did when he served NY city. I am a gifted child of God, meaning, when my God says it is time for me to serve, I would not need anyone dead or alive, abroad or in my village to inspire me or encourage me to "spill the beans". A WARRIOR IS BORN TO DIE, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THE WARRIOR DIES IN DIGNITY NOT IN SHAME. Got that? If not, no shaking, Hehehehe!

Peace be with you. Iguade

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[Omoluabi]

Professor Nwakanma !

Not so fast Sir!

The $1 billion dollar loan/facility you keep referring to was already captured in the 2015 budget!

Please see: http://leadership.ng/news/387069/reps-nigeria-payback-1-billion-security-loan-7-years

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Reps: Nigeria To Payback $1 billion Security Loan In 7 Years

A $1 billion loan requested by President Goodluck Jonathan to buy security hardware to fight Boko Haram will be paid back in seven years, it was revealed at Tuesday’s plenary in the House of Representatives.

Chairman, House Committee on Finance, Abdulmumin Jibrin said the country would pay N30 billion annually for seven years before settling the debt. He told lawmakers that the N30 billion to be paid annually would form part of Nigeria’s budget from 2015.

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Please, let us not manufacture facts.

The ABACHA monies that Okonjo-Iweala gave to Dasuki were not captured under any appropriations act. None. Not the budget or supplementary.

Those are the facts.

Please revise your priors.

Viscount


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Ok, so you agree that a supplementary bill was passed
authorizing the president to source a loan for $1 billion,
outside of the 2015 budget. Again, where is the beef? The
president, as very clearly state in the former
minister's letter clearly sought counsel,
and decided to utilize part of the Abacha funds, primarily
as part of a loan to fund the emergency as approved by the
National Assembly. He was within his rights as president to
source this loan from the cheapest, and most easily
available source. I do not
get this obsession about the use appropriation of the
Abacha fund. Again, we must be interested in the USE of that
fund not its APPROPRIATION. Those are two different
beasts. 
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: Mrs Iweala
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Sir,



The Appropriation Act 2014/5 does not provide for the
supplementary sums you referred to.




The President's request was for authorisation to source
$1billion dollar loan facility which was approved, quite
separate from normal or supplementary appropriation.



Other sums expended which supprass the amount you refer to
were not appropriated.



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Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| Mrs Iweala 's AIE
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[Attachment(s) from
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Below is the letter written by Mrs Ngozi Okonjo Iweala
seeking Jonathan's authority to incur military
expenditure (AIE ) based on the memo from the NSA .




This clearly shows that the appropriation was done between
Sambo Dasuki, Okonjo Iweala and Goodluck Jonathan .




May God continue to save Nigeria from ourselves . Amen .













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Thank you sir, the professor attempted to wrap fiction around facts in this case by deploying sophistory.

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[Tajudeen]

Funny country. Managed by funny people. Nigeria, a country where recovered looted funds are re-looted. Dat one na proper 

"overtake don overtake, overtake" baba 70 

Nigeria we hail thee indeed. 

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[Tajudeen]

Na dat one we dey talk say - 

the thing wey dem wan chop don make dem no dey think. 

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What is even more astounding is that there are, presumably, sane people and 'pastors' of God that defend such depraved insanity!

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[David Iloani]

What is even wrong with our people even among those that claim to be highly educated here in diaspora. What is difficult to understand on Obi Nwakama's narrative ?. National security vote especially when the president is fighting Boko Haram is NOT fit for public discuss. Has any body ask any of the 36 States governors what they even do with more than a billion naira monthly security votes ?. Nigeria and Nigerians, we have problems for those who supposed to know better seem to be clueless as well. Lord have mercy

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[employ...@aol.com]

Sir,

What is difficult to appreciate? That all funds disbursed are required to be appropriated by parliament? That all such expenditure whether in camera or otherwise must be appropriated? That in this case it was never appropriated?

Is this to complex to understand?

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[David Iloani]

That is nonsense, OBJ has NO credibility and should not be trusted by any living soul. Those that did not support his 3rd term agenda, he marked them for destruction even though he is no body God. Hon Mrs Iweala is one of them, case closed

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[Afis Deinde]

You're funny.

The fund spent must be discussed publicly, unless part of it was earmarked for the "Manhattan Project" or to secret develop "hydrogen" bomb to destroy Boko haram.
Anything short of that shouldn't be a secret once it had been spent.

Afis

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[A. Jagun]

To Vin Otunonye:

Authorization was what Hitler gave to those who in Auschwitz gassed the Jews to death ... but you know what, even in the midst of it all, some Germans refused the order -- it is all a matter of moral and ethical conviction. It is at moments like that that we begin to see whose superior moral and ethical compass will compel them to refuse to compromise and act -- and of course resign, even if their lives are put in danger. NOI surely had an option! ---

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[Joe Attueyi]

Dr Kassim

You have been away too long. What you can not imagine has actually being our MO 

Whether it is IBB with gulf war oil money or Abacha whose NSA had a walk in right into CBN or Abdulsalam that emptied the reserves in a few months or OBJ and his Halliburton bribes / $16 billion 'NEPA expenditures' and GEJ with his 'special prayers' expenditures, every Nigerian head of state sees the treasury as his personal ATM

You wrote:

I doubt if SLS would have approved the disbursement in cash of $305 million

US dollars (eventually carried out of the CBN premises in 11 suit cases)

if he had remained in office as the Gov of the CBN.

Like OBJ I dey laugh o! 

Btw if the president signs an AIE, and the finance minister signs the release warrant , on What basis will the CBN governor refuse payment?

Let's hope that all our monies used for purposes other than security are recovered and all those who took part in the diversion get jail time. 

Joe

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[Oke Osisi " Common Sense, Uncommon Knowledge "]

To all these so called accountants and CPAs who studied in the USA, I thought there is what is called "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles  (GAAP)".  Does this process of transacting government funds in cash not run in conflict and violation of the GAAP standards?  Did they teach that in Havard, Yale, etc?  Are we only good in the proud exhibition of the school we attended, without a subsequent proof of the knowledge derived?  Those of us that are defending evil ought to be honest and truthful to ourselves.  Only participants involved in dubious criminal behavior will condone criminal conduct in progress and look the other way; documentation or not. 

We all own Nigeria: it is not an East, West, North and South thing.  We owe ourselves a duty and responsibility to collectively join hands in condemning and prosecuting any individual found involved in the raping of our collective treasury, without regard to the person's tribe.  If we truly seek for a Nigeria that we will all once be proud of again, given time, we must eschew this behavior and conduct of defending criminals who happened to come from our tribe.  We need to begin to make concerted efforts towards eschewing our inherent tribal sentiments. 

The exposure of rampant treasury swindling by those vested with custody of the general public purse is why I continue to say, thank goodness for Buhari.  Had there been no Buhari, how could all these been exposed. Who knows what more that could have happened.  

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

Beautiful People,

Power, money and position can be enchanting indeed. Madam simply could not walk away....

I can't laugh.

Okonjo-Iweala and her supporters club are comical.

Every time monies go missing, Okonjo-Iweala will shout "Jonathan approved" ! SURE-P monies missing, "Jonathan approved". Excess Crude Account (ECA) monies missing, "Jonathan approved". $20 Billion NNPC monies missing, "Jonathan approved". $2 Billion defense monies missing, "Jonathan approved". Recovered Abacha monies missing, "Jonathan approved"!

Haba, madam?!?!?!?!??! So, what the hell did she reform if people could still, on the strength of her own approval, waltz into the central bank and be carrying monies out as if we were in Uganda under Idi Amin?!?!?

Civics lesson? How about getting approval from the NASS? How about informing the finance and defense committees in the national assembly so that they can do their oversight functions? Too funny how madam's supporters club want to blame Nigerians for madam's incompetence or complicity.

At the least, she is guilty of aiding and abetting. At the very least.

Viscount


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VO,I concur sir.
However,I have always believed that at a stage
in a career,one must say no.
To be sacked
for standing on high moral and legal grounds is honourable
and proof of integrity.It did happen including due process
with Obasanjo.
This issue goes beyond
ethnicity and she knows.iw

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Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| Mrs Iweala 's AIE
letter to President Jonathan . [1 Attachment]
 

 


[Attachment(s) from
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Below is the letter written by Mrs Ngozi Okonjo Iweala
seeking Jonathan's authority to incur military
expenditure (AIE ) based on the memo from the NSA .




This clearly shows that the appropriation was done between
Sambo Dasuki, Okonjo Iweala and Goodluck Jonathan .




May God continue to save Nigeria from ourselves . Amen .













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[Amadiebube]

Oke Osisi, 

You wrote and I quote "To all these so called accountants and CPAs who studied in the USA, I thought there is what is called "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles  (GAAP)".  Does this process of transacting government funds in cash not run in conflict and violation of the GAAP standards?  Did they teach that in Havard, Yale, etc?"

It is very disappointing that you couldn't make your argument without resorting to cheap shot at USA accountants and CPAs. As a former ICAN USA District Society Chairman I found your cheap shot offensive. Governments all over the world do not necessarily follow generally accepted accounting principles and that is why in the USA the IRS follows cash instead of accrual accounting practice. You can earn some money this year but defer actual receipt of cash because you may have made too much money and don't want to pay more taxes this year. It is perfectly legal by IRS standard to collect the cash next year and pay taxes even though the money was earned this year. When I was a regulator we followed RAAP - regulatory accounting principles instead of GAAP - generally accepted accounting principles. 

I just got back few days ago from a business trip to Nigeria and Senegal. I was disappointed that in an international airport like Muritala Mohammed Airport there is no toilet rolls. There are no seats in the check in area in short the airport is very unfriendly and unwelcoming. When I landed in Dakar the opposite was the case. We landed in the night and the skyline and night lights were breathtaking. As a result of my experience in Lagos I went straight to their restroom and they have adequate toilet rolls, napkins and soap. Very welcoming. On my departure day I was treated to a professional way of treating travelers. I saw only one guy who checked me in and that's it.

I used this simple example to tell you Oke Osisi that our problem is deeper than calling seasoned professionals 'so called'. By the way allegation does not mean conviction. Why don't we stop rushing to judgement until all the facts are known. At least that is what is expected of disciplined individuals.

Amadiebube 

[Mobolaji Aluko]

My People:

One can understand gross violations of rules under the Military - after all, they VIOLATED the whole Constitution in staging a coup or maintaining military rule - but things should not go this bad in a civilian regime...

Here is the Federal Ministry of Finance's Budget Office own regulations:

QUOTE

http://www.budgetoffice.gov.ng/index.php/departments/expenditure

Expenditure Department prepares the annual budget of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and also releases monthly and quarterly warrants and AIE.

• Organisation of annual Pre-Budget Workshops for Ministries/Extra-Ministerial Departments;
• Issuing of Annual Call Circulars to all Federal Ministries, Extra-Ministerial Departments, State-owned Companies and Corporations;
• Preparation of Recurrent and Capital Budget for all Federal Ministries, Extra-Ministerial Departments, State-owned Companies and Corporations;
• Publication of Annual Budget Book;
• Control of Expenditure in respect of Reserved Votes;
• Assessment and analysis of requests for extra-budgetary Capital and Recurrent Expenditure from Federal Ministries, Extra-Ministerial Departments, State-owned Companies and Corporations;
• Release of Funds through Recurrent and Capital Development Fund General Warrants Quarterly and by means of Authority to Incur Expenditure (AIE);
• Examination of Returns and Progress Reports on expenditure from Federal Ministries, Extra-Ministerial Departments, State-owned Companies and Corporations;
• Preparation of annual report on Federal government expenditure.

UNQUOTE

Thus there should be no AIE not tied to a budget.....

Secondly, CBN's has a cashless policy to Banks: did not hold for the CBN itself?  Do as I do, but not as I say?

QUOTE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashless_Policy_(Nigeria)

Cashless policy is a policy established in the year 2012 by the Central Bank of Nigeria to curb excesses in the handling of cash in Nigeria. It prescribed a cash handling charges on daily withdrawal above Five Hundred Thousand Naira (N500, 000.00) for individuals and Three Million Naira for Corporate Bodies (N3, 000,000.00). The policy was enforced not to eliminate the use of cash but to reduce the volume of cash in circulation.[1]

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Na wa o!

Bolaji Aluko

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[Omoluabi]

Oke Osisi,

Please, ask them o!

Small time they will say she reformed Nigeria. How? Is what we have been asking. How?

She is certificated, but like Obasanjo said, she needs supervision. Something Jonathan could not give her, so she was at the mercy of all the PDP marauders......and she conformed.

That is the breaks.

Viscount



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To all these so called accountants and CPAs who studied
in the USA, I thought there is what is called
"Generally Accepted Accounting Principles
 (GAAP)".  Does this process of transacting
government funds in cash not run in conflict and violation
of the GAAP standards?  Did they teach that in Havard,

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VO,I concur sir.
However,I have always believed that at a stage
in a career,one must say no.
To be sacked
for standing on high moral and legal grounds is honourable
and proof of integrity.It did happen including due process
with Obasanjo.
This issue goes beyond
ethnicity and she knows.iw

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Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| Mrs Iweala 's AIE
letter to President Jonathan . [1 Attachment]
 

 


[Attachment(s) from
Imperial included below]
Below is the letter written by Mrs Ngozi Okonjo Iweala
seeking Jonathan's authority to incur military
expenditure (AIE ) based on the memo from the NSA .




This clearly shows that the appropriation was done between
Sambo Dasuki, Okonjo Iweala and Goodluck Jonathan .




May God continue to save Nigeria from ourselves . Amen .













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I just got back few days ago from a business trip to Nigeria and Senegal. I was disappointed that in an international airport like Muritala Mohammed Airport there is no toilet rolls. There are no seats in the check in area in short the airport is very unfriendly and unwelcoming. When I landed in Dakar the opposite was the case. We landed in the night and the skyline and night lights were breathtaking. As a result of my experience in Lagos I went straight to their restroom and they have adequate toilet rolls, napkins and soap. Very welcoming. On my departure day I was treated to a professional way of treating travelers. I saw only one guy who checked me in and that's it.===Oke Osisi

Oke Osisi:

The shabby state of the toilet facilities at MM I and II is regrettable 

not only because of the inconvenience to travelers

in general but also because it is a mirror to what life in Nigeria

is all about.

I was shocked to discover just like you did that there were no toilet

rolls in our airport toilet facilities and that the traveler is directed to use 

water to clean off after using the facilities.

I complained to one airport official about this situation. He informed me that

Nigerians prefer to use water rather than toilet rolls and that the availability of running water

in the washrooms also allow Muslim travelers to perform their mandatory pre-prayer cleaning

rituals (ablutions) in the same premises.

I was shocked to the bones to learn that this is in fact the official policy.

After exiting the airport  and getting in to my ride while still fuming I mentioned

this situation to the driver who picked me up. He laughed while revealing to me that the lack

of toilet rolls in the airport is an ongoing mini-scam and that it is not government policy.

I was told that all that I needed to do is to ask the toilet attendant who would promptly 

produce the toilet roll for my convenience. The act of not making toilet tissues available

compels the patron to deal directly with the toilet attendant who would more than likely merit

a tip from the traveler because he has done a 'favour' to him by giving the special privilege

of being able to use  toilet tissues. 

I have since traveled in and out of MMI or MMII on more than 5 occasions and have

discovered that this is the normal routine. You ask and thou shalt be given!

Your trip would even be better appreciated if it is in hard currency--especially the mighty USD!

Bye,

Ola

[Vin Otuonye]

Nigeria we hail thee!  

And we just keep carrying on as if all is fine? 

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But we were told former President Jonathan had transformed all the airports in the country to world class!

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[Wharf A. Snake]

In all my travels to that country I have been lucky not to use the toilet facilities. Passing one of those restrooms you are automatically confronted with the most odious stench. It would take a serious emergency to venture into that cesspool. Nigeria I maintain is a criminal enterprise and it is true.

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[Joseph Onuorah]

Amadiebube:

You failed to mention that in the Senegal example, a significant factor contributing to their success story (in addition to such things as not being completely deprived by colonialism and missionary excursions)was the intimate involvement of their diaspora groups in re-shaping the country. A major problem with Nigeria is that Nigerian diasporas, in general, have failed Nigeria woefully.  While those in Senegal, etc, were working with their governments and business leaders to make changes that will benefit the country and the people, Nigerian diasporas were working to get lands in Abuja, to show how to break the kola nut, to go on "missions" to their country, etc. In essence, the education that most Nigerian diasporas obtained was reduced to search for personal aggrandizement and/or affirmations, making us as a group, worthless despite our education and years of toiling in educated societies!

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[Wharf A. Snake]

Gen. I.W.:

What are the many ways under which a Finance minister must release money? 

Are there any avenues available for the President to borrow money from one account to be used in another account?

I am asking this questions because I don't know and so I am keeping my mouth shut on this matter.

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On Dec 12, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Ishola Williams <isholaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

VO,I concur sir.
However,I have always believed that at a stage in a career,one must say no.
To be sacked for standing on high moral and legal grounds is honourable and proof of integrity.It did happen including due process with Obasanjo.
This issue goes beyond ethnicity and she knows.iw

Vin Otuonye <Vincent...@msn.com> wrote:

Olu:

I don't understand the proper authorization you mean. The President requested release of the funds. She wrote to confirm or inquire about it and you're talking about proper authorization. What other authorization do you need? Remember,  I said before that my South West compatriots and Adam Oshiomhole are Ngozi Okonjo Iweala 's biggest critics.They criticize when there's nothing to be critical about. That is why I said the next Finance Minister must come from the SW so we can see what he or she can do. But the problem in our society is this seemingly "big man syndrome". It is a situation where just one individual, for example the President or the governor will run the State and legislators are nothing but rubber stamps. We see it al the time in State governments. Isn't it the job of the legislature to pass and authorize spending? Have they lived up to their constitutional role? If for example, the President or the governor requested for release of funds and the Minister or Commissioner refused, he or she will be fired for insubordination or lack of loyalty. 

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye

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But did she ever obtain the said proper authorisation before the release of the sums? And if so where is it buried?

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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Mrs Iweala 's AIE letter to President Jonathan .

Obi,

You are giving free basic civic lessons that ought to be paid for. 

There are folks who have made up their minds to devote their time to the pull Okonjo Iweala down project. In pursuit of that project they make a mockery of themselves and most of us stay quiet on the sidelines joining them to mock themselves 

The world continues to celebrate Iweala while the haters continue to have heartburn. I join the world in celebrating an African woman of substance 

If during the investigations, it is found that Iweala kept some of the approved funds for herself or that the NSA gave her some of the funds for 'special prayer sessions ' then the world will condemn her and I will be at the front condemning her. 

Anyway those of us who were of age in 1984 know this is all drama to deflect attention from the looming economic crisis staring us in the face. Deja vu. 

Let someone wake me up when a former president or governor or minister actually goes to jail and his/ her loot returned to the treasury

Joe

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On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Rex Marinus rexma...@hotmail.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

So, what is the beef in this letter? I do not say the following in defence of Mrs Okonjo-Iweala, but as a comment on the frivolity of public debate, either based on preventable ignorance or sheer mischief. Anybody who reads this letter from the ex-Minister of Finance to the President, even at a cursory level, will note the following:

a) The minister covered herself by seeking proper authority to release money to the NSA. If she released the money without due conference with the president, then she will have questions to answer.

b) The National Security Agency made a proper request for funding in a meeting, possibly a National Security meeting chaired by the president in which that forma request was made, and presumably the decision to release money from the Abacha funds agreed.

c) an Executive decision was clearly made to vire money from the recovered Abacha money on a 50-50 basis to solve the problem of Arms procurement as requested by the NSA. If Nigerians remember, a broad case had been made about the problem of arms by the Nigerian Armed Forces in the fight against Boko Haram. Questions had also been raised aby the process of defence procurement in the past which had been problematic, and the president, following advise from his National Security Adviser made the judgment call to procure arms through the National Security Agency rather than through the normal Defence Contracting procedure.  The president was within his executive rights to make that call. The Minister of Finance demonstrated judgment and accountability by requesting the authority of the president to make the requested fund available to the NSA.  Mrs. Iweala did not break the law because she adhered to the strict procedure in seeking presidential authority. She did not act on her own whim. She released the funds to the agency ONLY as authorized by the president. There is no evidence that she was involved directly in the procurement process thereafter.

I think the question Nigerians should be more concerned with should be (a) Were funds properly appropriated for the purpose for which it was requested? (b) Did the president break any financial laws in authorizing the release of funds outside of the authority of the National Assembly?(c) Was the fund fully released to the NSA as requested, and as was authorized by the president, (d) Were the funds used for the purpose for which the president authorized his minister of finance to release money for an Agency of state charged by the president to procure arms for the fight against the insurgency under a national emergency framework?, and (d) Was the minister right to release the funds. But even more importantly, did the elected National Assembly exert any oversight, as it should, on the process? These are the questions. But from the evidence of this letter, the Minister and the President acted responsibly. The onus is now on the former NSA  to show that the National Security Agency, under his leadership, did exactly what he was legitimately authorized to do. That is, that he purchased the arms, and that the process of procurement fell within authorized guidelines, and that neither Jonathan nor Iweala nor any of their nominees, benefited directly either as contractors, or through kick-backs, from the process.

Obi Nwakanma

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Below is the letter written by Mrs Ngozi Okonjo Iweala seeking Jonathan's authority to incur military expenditure (AIE ) based on the memo from the NSA .

This clearly shows that the appropriation was done between Sambo Dasuki, Okonjo Iweala and Goodluck Jonathan .

May God continue to save Nigeria from ourselves . Amen .

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Olola Kassim:

Must one be a member of a ruling party to work for the government in Nigeria?

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On Dec 12, 2015, at 8:22 AM, olakassimmd via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Vin:

I couldn't agree more with some of your comments on this thread.

Nigerian governance is afflicted with the

  OGA AT THE TOP SYNDROME!

My only concern is that a technocrat of NOI's calibre should

have resigned her position rather than being used to rubber

stamp the disbursements and transfers of huge amounts

of public funds in cash into other official's private custody--for

unwholesome purposes that have nothing to do with governance

and the socio-economic development of the peoples of Nigeria.

Even if she is not officially aware of the shenanigans involved in

the transfer of huge portions of the Abacha loot to the PDP,

common sense dictates that she would have known as an active card

carrying senior member of the PDP.

See no evil and hear no evil might be befitting of an ostrich who prefers to

bury her head in the sand, it is totally unbecoming of a bureaucrat of NOI's

calibre, worldwide experience and pedigree.

To say that I am disappointed in NOI, would be a major understatement

on my part. Would NOI have accented to such unwholesome transactions without asking any questions when she worked as a VP of the World Bank?

Bye,

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Olola is consumed by animal Tribalism. The other day he claimed that Jonathan was budgeting and spending 18 trillion annually. Even after Pastor Joe caught him in that monumental lie he never did take it back. He lies unprompted.

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On Dec 12, 2015, at 8:55 AM, 'Joe Attueyi' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dr Kassim

While I respect your right to your view on NOI Let's keep the debate factual. 

You wrote:

used to rubber

stamp the disbursements and transfers of huge amounts

of public funds in cash into other official's private custody--

There is absolutely no basis for your assertion above. Ministry of finance transfers through CBN to the account of each MDAs the amounts approved/ appropriated to them. 

If the MDAs decide to withdraw cash from their accounts to use in implementing their duties they don't need the finance minister to approve or 'rubber stamp' that process. 

You wrote:

My only concern is that a technocrat of NOI's calibre should

have resigned her position rather than being used

While I understand the emotionalism behind this question which many well meaning folks have asked none have been able to clarify something for me. Maybe you can:

If your house is in darkness and there is for instance only one flickering candle there, is that what you would do? Question what that candle is doing in the midst of darkness and promptly snuff it out?

Joe

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Please mention one concrete way that the Senegalese diaspora "was the intimate involvement of their diaspora groups in re-shaping the country"

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Nwanna:

Who are Nigerians in the diaspora? Who stopped any of them from initiating and doing what the Senegalese in Diaspora did so well? We have so many armchair generals. They know what others should do, not how and they must be involved in doing anything. They are all over the forum landscape. They know what Igbo must do. You look around and you discover they are Igbo supposedly and have not lifted a finger to do a thing as Igbo. Just mouth. 

Ezeana Achusim

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Wharfy:

The answer to your question is: No.

But NOI chose to be a card carrying member of the
PDP.

Mr Aganga, the immediate past Minister of Industries (and briefy of Finance)
managed
to run his portfolios without being a member of the PDP--at
least as far as we know.

Bye,

Ola

[Amadiebube]

Nwanna Joe,

Blaming Diaspora Nigerians is taking the easy road. I will respond to you and Ola at the same time. I hope that you read Ola's experience when he asked about why there were no toilet rolls. He was told that some people wash their behind with water in a bottle and by inference expected the rest of the world to do the same. Nwanna Joe what has this got to do with Diaspora Nigerians? Nigeria is a complex environment.

While I was in Nigeria I asked the Nigerian professionals what they think is the problem why virtually everything in Nigeria is seen from ethnic prism. The professionals were cut across Nigeria's ethnic divide. They all said that the political class fan ethnic hatred to perpetuate themselves in power.

While in I was in Senegal I noticed that there was a relative smooth relationship between people of religious divide. I asked the same question that I asked in Nigeria but this time why they get along so easily with each other. They said that the political class made it possible. All the professionals were Muslims except my contact who is a Christian. I was surprised by the response from the Muslims. They said that the political class made it possible for them to live harmoniously.  They said that even though the country is about 95% their first President was a Christian. They said that no form of intolerance whether religeous or otherwise is acceptable. While no system is without hicks the relative harmonious lifestyle I noticed was refreshing. They told me that the religious dress where a woman covers herself except her eyes is forbidden. This was coming from a Moslem. Nwanna Joe what has this got to do with Diaspora Nigerians? 

Nigeria has enough home professionals to run any country in the world. Blaming Diaspora Nigerians is being disingenuous.

Let us call a spade a spade. Nigeria is built on injustice and until we sit down and discuss what ails Nigeria honestly we will continue to blame the wrong people.

Amadiebube 

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Amadiebube:

Again, great points!  The issue is complex, I understand. My point though is this: Diaspora Nigerians had great opportunity to effect positive changes in Nigeria through such avenues as: occasionally meeting with Nigerian dignitaries (during their frequent visits to USA, UK, etc). I often wondered what would have happened if we had routinely included on our agenda items such discussion points as “working together to transform Nigeria”, “helping Nigerian leaders appreciate the importance of building hospitals, good schools, good water supply, etc”, in the country. And so on. That is, instead of the agenda that typically looks like this: (my experience mostly from attending Igbo meetings. If other ethnic groups have been doing what I complain about here, bravo to them!)

-Prayers

-Breaking the kola nut

-Donations

-Masquerade show

-Dinner (often served at early morning hours of next day!)

-Dancing

-Donations

 

We had:

-Prayers (although this is totally unnecessary considering that going to Convention and similar gatherings is not going to church!  Moreover, when we say a Christian prayer, do we ever consider that there are people from other religions in the group? And even within Christianity, there are quite amount of variations that we never acknowledge.  How about Atheists within us? Etc?)

-Break out of people into workshop-like format whereby some topics related to things I mentioned above, things we often complain about, as well as others like: “importance of ethnic and religious tolerance”, “respecting and harnessing diversity within Nigeria”, Teaming up for business ventures”,  “how to change Nigeria for better”, etc

-Lunch/Dinner

-Regroup session, whereby each group (in the breakout session) presents

-Group Discussions

-Next Steps

-Dance, Entertainment

-etc.

 

Above is what our counterparts from Senegal, India, China, Japan, etc have routinely done…at least here in USA for years. We studied with them. We work with them. Their brain is not endowed more than ours! They simply learned!

 

What exactly have we, diapora Nigerians, contributed to Nigeria? Sending money through Western Union? Giving people fish?  I did not leave Nigeria to come and learn how to send money through the western Union, did you?  We left to come and obtain education and used the education to effect positive changes in the country. Yes, I am aware of obstacles, challenges, etc but we did have opportunity and we still do (although for many, time is becoming a major obstacle!) I am afraid, ours will not be a good history and continuously complaining and blaming Nigeria for not doing this or that while we seat on our lazy buttocks, does not do us much good!

 

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[kingsley Nnabuagha]

Amadiebube, Honestly, I had similar problem because I went to the toilet in search of tissue for my nose as it was windy due to harmattan. The lady referred to the last sets of rest rooms, when I got there, the man in uniform told me that I must go back to the other ones, then I showed him my priority card, he let me in and the young man there wanted to follow me into the toilet to wipe out the seats for me, I told him that I needed the tissue he was holding in his hands, he obliged. I asked him what the problem was, he simply said: Ah! The management has changed oh! Now, what is that? You failed to add that you must pay N100 for your bagge trolley. No other place in the world will you find such. It is corruption, robbery, and aggravated mismanagement happening on a great scale. Regards, Uzoma KLN Uzoma KLN (Life is simple, do not make it difficult) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

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A few years ago, in Pennsylvania, I attended a Senegalese function ( a very small group) and observed that one of the topics was: "how to work together as agroup".  Joe

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KNN,

Nigeria must join the civilized world. What I saw at the airport was nothing short of embarrassment. The international airport of any country is the gateway or parlour. There must be attitudinal change that will be started from the top. Smart people wrong approach to virtually everything.

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[Wilson Iguade]

I just cannot understand gross violations of rules under the Military, because I am clueless. Under any rule, military or not, rules are still rules that must or should be enforced to govern, and Buhari VIOLATED the whole Constitution in staging a coup, and nothing happen to him, instead Jega, after selling his public office for billion of Nairas, REWARDED Buhari with presidency. 

Bottomline, constitution violators are rewarded in Nigeria - go figure!  

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[Philip Achusim]

Folks:

Every segment of Nigerian society is soaking with thieves. I never expect any tissues in any public bathroom in Nigeria. The workers will take them away and sell them.

In my carry on luggage, I pack tissues. Lots of them. Toilet tissues and paper towels and wipes are part of my standard purchases before I travel to Nigeria. When I leave the toilet at the US airport or airplane, I make sure my pockets are filled with paper towels for use later. 

Nigeria is a beggar society. You go to a toilet to shit, and some sucker is there begging for dash. You arrive from overseas, the suckers are not interested in whether you are carrying suicide bomb materials. All they want is dash. And they lie and beg and threaten without shame. No wonder there are so many suicide bombers in Nigeria. Beg beg and beg without respect for themselves. They get paid, mind you. And the suckers will steal from your carry on luggage. They got my cell phone. When I got to Chicago I discovered the phone was gone. 

You have to make many assumptions when you travel to Nigeria. That nothing works. That  few are honest and rare. I once brought with me an expensive portable solar lamp. Worked very well. On a return trip, no one knew what happened to the solar lamp. I praise you guys who fly domestic airlines. Not me. How can people who cannot keep toilet paper in a clean bathroom with running water in an airport that is the gateway to Nigeria operate domestic airlines that you can ride with confidence? Even Adis Ababa airport had a better bathroom and toilet facilities than Nigeria. 

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