Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?

[Joseph Igietseme]

The Table and Refs below show the list of countries [big, small or raggedy] that practice voting abroad. The Billion Dollar Question is: Why Not Nigeria? Besides, if the Nigerian Diaspora Community is so resourceful and able to be the target of Govt Bond, why is enfranchisement a problem?

In the apt words of Joseph Mayton, in his Guardian article: “”Voting abroad is every citizen's right”” [see full-text below], ”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””…….Unquote! Take care. JUI

 

Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting

There are various known cases (E.g. parliamentary and presidential elections in Ghana in 2008) where, despite there being some kind of constitutional or legal provisions making voting from abroad possible, it has not materialized due to the lack of the political, legislative, financial or administrative agreement required for it to be regulated or organized. This provides evidence of the increasing relevance of external voting on the political and electoral agenda in several regions of the world, as well as of the polemics involved in debates on its relevance and feasibility and the varied complexities of decision making.

 

Countries where external voting provisions exist but are still to be implemented

https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/va/onePage 

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Voting abroad is every citizen's right

“”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””

Joseph Mayton [From refugees to those on business overseas, all expats should have the chance to engage with their democracy at election time.  A British citizen living overseas chats to a Conservatives Abroad worker registering voters for the 2010 general election in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: Jasper Juinen/Getty]

Theguardian - Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT First published on Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT

As someone who has voted while living outside my native country, I find it disconcerting that around 100 countries worldwide don’t allow their citizens this same right. Unsurprisingly, a vast majority of those that bar citizens from casting a ballot are developing countries, including Morocco, Egypt, Turkey, Armenia and Botswana. It needs to change.

It’s not difficult to see why some countries don’t allow citizens residing abroad to vote. Lebanon, for example, has some 12 million citizens living outside the country compared with only around 4 million inside – so in theory absentee voters could determine the outcome of any election. Meanwhile in Egypt, where one party has ruled for three decades, it’s widely believed that citizens living abroad would be less likely to support the status quo.

That aside, though, there is an important principle at stake: all citizens should have equal rights, regardless of where they happen to be at election time. Maria Gratschew, co-author of a handbook, Voting from Abroad, argues that “external voting is highly relevant to the many people who are travelling or working around the globe”. It is also pertinent, she writes, for “refugees and others who may be forced to live outside their country of origin due to political circumstances and who wish to participate in any democratic transition from authoritarian rule or violent conflict”.

A case in point is Sudan, where a referendum on north-south separation is due to be held next year. The question of external voting is extremely relevant, especially considering the UNCHR’s statistics of hundreds of thousands of southern Sudanese currently residing outside the country due to fears of violence if they return. By having a chance to vote, the refugees and those in exile would be able to play a direct role in the future of their native land.

Elsewhere, Turkey is in the middle of drafting new legislation that will allow any citizen living abroad to cast a vote. This follows a ruling by the European court of human rights ruled that forcing people to travel long distances to vote is a violation of the European convention on human rights. In today’s globalised world, where millions of people live outside their country of origin, it makes sense to allow them to vote from wherever they happen to be. Think of it this way. As a citizen of any of the 115 or so countries that allow people to vote from abroad, what would be your reaction if you weren’t given the opportunity to cast a ballot? It would be angering, frustrating and confusing. You would feel deprived of a say in your country’s future.

Mexico, Iraq and Mali are countries that have in the past few years allowed citizens living abroad to vote – and this highlights a further difficulty. It cost Mexico about $27m and the first Iraqi experience of external voting ended up costing about $92m, according to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. That’s a price that many countries simply cannot afford.

Giving citizens the opportunity to vote, wherever they may be living, can have positive results that go beyond participation in choosing their leaders. It results in more direct association and belief in their native country.

Here in Cairo, Egyptians living abroad have been demanding the chance to cast ballots, with those residing in the US being the most vocal. While they undoubtedly want a chance to vote against the ruling National Democratic party – which, for the past 30 years has shown an unwillingness to support its people politically, socially and economically – there is a caveat that must be heard, and one that transcends the Egyptian situation.

By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.

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[Joseph Onuorah]

Indeed. But let us look at the situation more broadly: we, the Diaspora Nigerians, have failed ourselves and our nation: all these years we refused to focus on initiatives that will Nigeria and Nigerians move in the right direction. Initiatives that would clear lots of huddles for us, make our transition easier, allow us to fully participate in the political processes, create enduring opportunities for us and everyone else. If we had done so, there possible would be better governance, steady electricity, good water supply, recognized participation in the political system, security, etc. Rather we focussed on individual acquisition of land, donating to projects, breaking of kola nuts, fighting each other here, and the likes. All things that do not help a society grow. Today, we are scared to spend but a few weeks in Nigeria for fear of getting sick (ever thought of how much improvement we could have made if we had worked with our counterparts to develop a good healthcare system? NOT going to medil mission!). We complain about the political system (ever thought of how better the process would have been if all these years we worked with our politicians to help them see the good in focusing on what benefits the society in general versus what benefits a few. NOT helping them hide public money they stole! NOT working with them to obtain government lands that most would not even live to in!
We complain about poor infrastructure. How many times have our agenda and discussions in all these diaspora conventions and similar gatherings dwelt on engaging our invited Nigerian dignitaries and showing them how such infrasture in USA, UK, France, etc were built by humans not God! And so on. By not doing the above, we have lost just as the country has lost. One has to build for one to enjoy later. We did not build Nigeria and thus Nigeria is not ready for us. Building mansions and owning lands, in poor and infested environment, amidst poverty, in unstable economy, is not building a society! Joe
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Date: Friday, January 13, 2017, 1:18 AM

The Table and Refs below show the
list of countries [big, small or raggedy]
that practice voting abroad. The Billion Dollar Question is:
Why Not
Nigeria? Besides, if the Nigerian Diaspora Community is so
resourceful and
able to be the target of Govt Bond, why is enfranchisement a
problem?
In the apt words of Joseph Mayton, in his Guardian article:
“”Voting abroad
is every citizen's right”” [see full-text below], ”By
giving the right to
vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover
that it means
the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social
and political. As

Mexico <https://www.theguardian.com/world/mexico> and Iraq

learned, by
casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to
better their native
countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by
voting, we show
our ability and willingness to participate in more than a
single vote: it
can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for
their native
societies.””…….Unquote! Take care. JUI

*Countries and territories with current provisions for
external voting*

[image: https://aceproject.org/images/encyclopaedia/copy_of_table1.1.GIF]

*There are various known cases (E.g. parliamentary and

presidential
elections in Ghana in 2008) where, despite there being some
kind of
constitutional or legal provisions making voting from abroad
possible, it
has not materialized due to the lack of the political,
legislative,
financial or administrative agreement required for it to be
regulated or
organized. This provides evidence of the increasing
relevance of external
voting on the political and electoral agenda in several
regions of the
world, as well as of the polemics involved in debates on its
relevance and
feasibility and the varied complexities of decision

making.*



*Countries where external voting provisions exist but are
still to be
implemented*

[image: https://aceproject.org/images/encyclopaedia/table1.2.GIF]

https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/va/onePage

*[image: https://aceproject.org/images/CC_IDEA.GIF]*
<http://www.idea.int/publications/index.cfm#cc>
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-----------------------------------------Voting abroad is
every citizen's
right

“”*By giving the right to vote to citizens living

abroad, countries will
soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all
levels:
economic, social and political. As Mexico

<https://www.theguardian.com/world/mexico> and Iraq

learned, by casting a
ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their
native countries.
This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we
show our
ability and willingness to participate in more than a single
vote: it can
be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their
native

societies.*””

Joseph Mayton <https://www.theguardian.com/profile/joseph-mayton>

[From
refugees to those on business overseas, all expats should
have the chance
to engage with their democracy at election time.  A
British citizen living
overseas chats to a Conservatives Abroad worker registering
voters for the
2010 general election in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: Jasper
Juinen/Getty]

<http://twitter.com/jmayton>

*Theguardian - *Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT First

published on
Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT

As someone who has voted while living outside my native
country, I find it

disconcerting that *around 100 countries worldwide don’t
allow their
citizens this same right*. Unsurprisingly, a vast majority

of those that
bar citizens from casting a ballot are developing countries,
including

Morocco, Egypt <https://www.theguardian.com/world/egypt>, Turkey,

Armenia
and Botswana. It needs to change.

It’s not difficult to see why some countries don’t allow
citizens residing
abroad to vote. Lebanon, for example, has some 12 million
citizens living

outside the country <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_diaspora>
compared
with only around 4 million inside – so in theory *absentee
voters could
determine the outcome of any election*. Meanwhile in Egypt,

where one party
has ruled for three decades, it’s widely believed that

*citizens living
abroad would be less likely to support the status quo.*

That aside, though, there is an important principle at
stake: all citizens
should have equal rights, regardless of where they happen to
be at election
time. Maria Gratschew, co-author of a handbook, Voting from
Abroad

<http://www.idea.int/publications/voting_from_abroad/index.cfm>,

argues
that “external voting is highly relevant to the many
people who are
travelling or working around the globe”. It is also
pertinent, she writes

<http://www.idea.int/elections/voting_from_abroad.cfm>,

for “refugees and
others who may be forced to live outside their country of
origin due to
political circumstances and who wish to participate in any
democratic
transition from authoritarian rule or violent conflict”.

A case in point is Sudan, where a referendum on north-south
separation is
due to be held next year. The question of external voting is
extremely
relevant, especially considering the UNCHR’s statistics of
hundreds of
thousands of southern Sudanese currently residing outside
the country due
to fears of violence if they return. By having a chance to
vote, the
refugees and those in exile would be able to play a direct
role in the
future of their native land.

Elsewhere, Turkey is in the middle of drafting new
legislation

<http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-215804-100-govt-drafting-legislation-to-allow-expat-voting-in-elections.html>

that
will allow any citizen living abroad to cast a vote. This
follows a ruling
by the European court of human rights ruled that forcing
people to travel
long distances to vote is a violation of the European
convention on human
rights. In today’s globalised world, where millions of
people live outside
their country of origin, it makes sense to allow them to
vote from wherever
they happen to be. Think of it this way. As a citizen of any

of the *115 or
so countries that allow people to vote from abroad*, what

would be your
reaction if you weren’t given the opportunity to cast a
ballot? It would be
angering, frustrating and confusing. You would feel deprived
of a say in
your country’s future.

*Mexico, Iraq and Mali are countries that have in the past
few years
allowed citizens living abroad to vote –* and this
highlights a further
difficulty <http://www.idea.int/elections/voting_from_abroad.cfm>.

*By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad,

countries will soon
discover that it means the betterment of society on all
levels: economic,
social and political. As Mexico

<https://www.theguardian.com/world/mexico> and Iraq

learned, by casting a
ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their
native countries.
This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we
show our
ability and willingness to participate in more than a single
vote: it can
be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their
native

societies.*

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[Afis Deinde]

Those who want voting abroad may find themselves the losers at the mercy of ANY ruling cabal. Abroad votes may become sources of sure-votes for ANY ruling party.
Shikena 

Afis

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On Jan 13, 2017, at 1:18 AM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Table and Refs below show the list of countries [big, small or raggedy] that practice voting abroad. The Billion Dollar Question is: Why Not Nigeria? Besides, if the Nigerian Diaspora Community is so resourceful and able to be the target of Govt Bond, why is enfranchisement a problem?

In the apt words of Joseph Mayton, in his Guardian article: “”Voting abroad is every citizen's right”” [see full-text below], ”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””…….Unquote! Take care. JUI

 

Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting

<image002.png>

There are various known cases (E.g. parliamentary and presidential elections in Ghana in 2008) where, despite there being some kind of constitutional or legal provisions making voting from abroad possible, it has not materialized due to the lack of the political, legislative, financial or administrative agreement required for it to be regulated or organized. This provides evidence of the increasing relevance of external voting on the political and electoral agenda in several regions of the world, as well as of the polemics involved in debates on its relevance and feasibility and the varied complexities of decision making.

 

Countries where external voting provisions exist but are still to be implemented

<image003.gif>

https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/va/onePage 

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Voting abroad is every citizen's right

“”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””

Joseph Mayton [From refugees to those on business overseas, all expats should have the chance to engage with their democracy at election time.  A British citizen living overseas chats to a Conservatives Abroad worker registering voters for the 2010 general election in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: Jasper Juinen/Getty]

Theguardian - Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT First published on Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT

As someone who has voted while living outside my native country, I find it disconcerting that around 100 countries worldwide don’t allow their citizens this same right. Unsurprisingly, a vast majority of those that bar citizens from casting a ballot are developing countries, including Morocco, Egypt, Turkey, Armenia and Botswana. It needs to change.

It’s not difficult to see why some countries don’t allow citizens residing abroad to vote. Lebanon, for example, has some 12 million citizens living outside the country compared with only around 4 million inside – so in theory absentee voters could determine the outcome of any election. Meanwhile in Egypt, where one party has ruled for three decades, it’s widely believed that citizens living abroad would be less likely to support the status quo.

That aside, though, there is an important principle at stake: all citizens should have equal rights, regardless of where they happen to be at election time. Maria Gratschew, co-author of a handbook, Voting from Abroad, argues that “external voting is highly relevant to the many people who are travelling or working around the globe”. It is also pertinent, she writes, for “refugees and others who may be forced to live outside their country of origin due to political circumstances and who wish to participate in any democratic transition from authoritarian rule or violent conflict”.

A case in point is Sudan, where a referendum on north-south separation is due to be held next year. The question of external voting is extremely relevant, especially considering the UNCHR’s statistics of hundreds of thousands of southern Sudanese currently residing outside the country due to fears of violence if they return. By having a chance to vote, the refugees and those in exile would be able to play a direct role in the future of their native land.

Elsewhere, Turkey is in the middle of drafting new legislation that will allow any citizen living abroad to cast a vote. This follows a ruling by the European court of human rights ruled that forcing people to travel long distances to vote is a violation of the European convention on human rights. In today’s globalised world, where millions of people live outside their country of origin, it makes sense to allow them to vote from wherever they happen to be. Think of it this way. As a citizen of any of the 115 or so countries that allow people to vote from abroad, what would be your reaction if you weren’t given the opportunity to cast a ballot? It would be angering, frustrating and confusing. You would feel deprived of a say in your country’s future.

Mexico, Iraq and Mali are countries that have in the past few years allowed citizens living abroad to vote – and this highlights a further difficulty. It cost Mexico about $27m and the first Iraqi experience of external voting ended up costing about $92m, according to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. That’s a price that many countries simply cannot afford.

Giving citizens the opportunity to vote, wherever they may be living, can have positive results that go beyond participation in choosing their leaders. It results in more direct association and belief in their native country.

Here in Cairo, Egyptians living abroad have been demanding the chance to cast ballots, with those residing in the US being the most vocal. While they undoubtedly want a chance to vote against the ruling National Democratic party – which, for the past 30 years has shown an unwillingness to support its people politically, socially and economically – there is a caveat that must be heard, and one that transcends the Egyptian situation.

By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.

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[ishola williams]

Citizens not only have rights but must also fulfill their responsibilities to the Country.

In cases of Permanent (or  long-term illegal) Residency/Dual Citizenship,there are deem to have  dual responsibilities especially in case of  living in a developed country like USA and in  Europe and developing one like Nigeria.The tendency is to be more responsible in a developed country for well-known reasons.

Are the remittances by individuals with the above status,a fulfillment of reponsibilities to the country or the extended families and communities?If the answer is yes,is that enough to earn voting rights?How do other millions without families abroad benefit from these remittances? We also know that many do not earn enough to remit a cent while others have not lost contact with friends and extended Families and they do not care.Those with Businesses in the country are in a separate entity.

What about the costs of external voting? Who will pay when presently,INEC spends about 700million Naira for on average for each state Guber elections within the country?Will INEC need to send Commissioners abroad with staff or allow the Ambassador appointed by the party in power supervise the elections or remote Voting?

It is obvious to all of us that the Parties who have the Resources will need forex for campaigns abroad or will their supporters abroad cover the costs and even sponsor candidates at home with their own contributions like US Super Pacs.

It will be interesting to read the attached long essay because the next step is to ask for Representation at NASS.

At the end of the day,what are extra  benefits that we can get from Non-Resident voting and Representation as already there is Mr Gbajabiamila who can be said to be a Non-Resident Representative.iw for shaking  for  voting with responsibility to country and community through 2% tax on remittances.

 

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[Joseph Igietseme]

''''Diasporan Nigerians will be better placed to do all that you say we have not done if we are given a voting right and political participation. You appear not to know that any effort any group of Nigerian Diasporans try to make to suggest workable policies to ensure steady electricity or infrastructure development or any of the things you say we have failed to do whether through engaging government policy makers at the Federal, State or Local Government levels get frustrated by those in Nigeria who would rather remain in darkness than have a Nigerian diasporan‎ successfully initiate and implement a policy for steady power supply or infrastructural development. ..............Nigerians in the Diaspora who long to make a difference do so and they are not sometimes even acknowledged even when the ideas are sometimes stolen and poorly tried. The best way for Nigerian Diasporans to make a difference is for them to be given voting rights and participation.....''''.........Unquote Dr MacDonald Mopho!

JUI would like to ENDORSE the above excerpted statement, without any reservations! Happy New Year Brother Mopho, and take care. JUI

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On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:06 AM, MacDonald Mopho <mij....@gmail.com> wrote:

Joe Onuroah,

You really like to get things mixed up, don't you?

Diasporan Nigerians will be better placed to do all that you say we have not done if we are given a voting right and political participation. 

You appear not to know that any effort any group of Nigerian Diasporans try to make to suggest workable policies to ensure steady electricity or infrastructure development or any of the things you say we have failed to do whether through engaging government policy makers at the Federal, State or Local Government levels get frustrated by those in Nigeria who would rather remain in darkness than have a Nigerian diasporan‎ successfully initiate and implement a policy for steady power supply or infrastructural development. Some Diasporans who went to Nigeria to work with the noble intention of making a difference returned back with stories of how they were carefully frustrated and forced out. I read some of them in these fora only last year.

You probably have not made any effort either by sending policy recommendations based on direct experience of a Western nation senior management employment or senior executive training development to those you know in Government for the purpose of contributing to progress or you did not realise that Nigerians in the Diaspora who long to make a difference do so and they are not sometimes even acknowledged even when the ideas are sometimes stolen and poorly tried.

The best way for Nigerian Diasporans to make a difference is for them to be given voting rights and participation as our brother Professor Joseph Igietseme is advocating.

I have no doubt the voting right of Nigerian Diasporans will soon be given effect. We had Diaspora participation in the National Conference in 2014. Our voting and political participation to enable us have the power to make a difference is on the way.

Thank you

MacDonald I J Mopho 

London UK

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Indeed. But let us look at the situation more broadly: we, the Diaspora Nigerians, have failed ourselves and our nation: all these years we refused to focus on initiatives that will Nigeria and Nigerians move in the right direction. Initiatives that would clear lots of huddles for us, make our transition easier, allow us to fully participate in the political processes, create enduring opportunities for us and everyone else. If we had done so, there possible would be better governance, steady electricity, good water supply, recognized participation in the political system, security, etc. Rather we focussed on individual acquisition of land, donating to projects, breaking of kola nuts, fighting each other here, and the likes. All things that do not help a society grow. Today, we are scared to spend but a few weeks in Nigeria for fear of getting sick (ever thought of how much improvement we could have made if we had worked with our counterparts to develop a good healthcare system? NOT going to medil mission!). We complain about the political system (ever thought of how better the process would have been if all these years we worked with our politicians to help them see the good in focusing on what benefits the society in general versus what benefits a few. NOT helping them hide public money they stole! NOT working with them to obtain government lands that most would not even live to in!
We complain about poor infrastructure. How many times have our agenda and discussions in all these diaspora conventions and similar gatherings dwelt on engaging our invited Nigerian dignitaries and showing them how such infrasture in USA, UK, France, etc were built by humans not God! And so on. By not doing the above, we have lost just as the country has lost. One has to build for one to enjoy later. We did not build Nigeria and thus Nigeria is not ready for us. Building mansions and owning lands, in poor and infested environment, amidst poverty, in unstable economy, is not building a society! Joe
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[Ishola Williams]

We know about those who have gone back and did well or benefited from the system and have no reason to make any noise.Help by conducting a study on those who have suceeded and those who have failed.

How do you know that the policies and practices you send home will work even when you are there.If all policies and practices work,what a wonderful world  it will be

.I do know too that many international donors(USAID,DFID,Canada's IDRC,Bill Gates Foundation and where are the Nigerian Milionnaires in UK and USA),Institutions(Foundations) and Organisations(International NGOs(OXFAM)-any Nigerian one) including the UN  have sent Nigerians and other Africans home to work with their Governments with all expenses paid.

The UNDP established TOKTEN which stopped when the non-Resident Africans and their Governments refused to take up the funding.

The EU has the ERASMUS programme,for Europe/Africa,does the Brother in Europe know about this and how to utilise it to benefit us. 

I have asked many questions in my mail with an attachment which needs to be read and questions answered.

Let me please hear the wonders you will perform if you vote and tell me any country in Africa apart from Eritrea with its imposition of 2% tax on Remittances in addition to allowing the non-Residents to direct and manage projects if funded by them.

Many countries have allowed their non-residents to vote,give an example where they have made any difference as compared to Eritrea.

As I have said, most of those who have walked,still walking  and those that can walk the talk are not on this forum.

in the meantime while the world is leaving us behind,let Nigerians keep talking for self glorification while the  few serious ones,vote or no vote, keep working behind the scene for a better Nigeria.iw no shaking.

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[Ogedi Ohajekwe]

Waooo!!
Blowing hot air indeed!
I hope he is not suggesting that the 'Diaspora Nigerians' invade Nigeria and impose its will.

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[Joseph Onuorah]

Please! Having a voting right has little to do with what I listed that we have not done. For over 30 years we have been looking for excuses and waiting for government to do this and that for us. What have we done? We live in countries where people, not government "move mountains" and all we do is complain and complain. And when a rare chance is given to us, we behave worst than the very people in govt we condemn. Yes there is a role for government but how about our role as people? Here in USA, we have the voting rights fought for by people that many of us still look down and display arrongance of nothing towards. They did not wait for "voting rights to be given to them". They fought for it and they still fight. Fighting each other, as we always do, is not a fight, It is a wasted energy. We have examples of group accomplishments and power therein from people we studied and now work with glaring in our face yet, we focus on how we can "be above each other" What have we, as a group, accomplished? What contributions have we, as a group, made even to places we currently live? Look, you can object as many times as you want but the fact is: we refuse to use the education we acquired to effect positive change where we live and where we came from. Our individualism, our eagerness to "be above one another" and our useless intra-group competition are some of endemic obstacles that we must overcome else we leave this earth as individuall "accomplished" people but whose lives on earth was a wash! Joe

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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?
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''''*Diasporan

Nigerians will be better placed to do all that you say we
have not done if we are given a voting right
and political
participation. You appear not
to know that any effort any group of Nigerian
Diasporans try to make to suggest workable
policies to ensure steady
electricity or
infrastructure development or any of the things you say
we
have failed to do whether through
engaging government policy makers at the
Federal, State or Local Government levels get
frustrated by those in
Nigeria who would
rather remain in darkness than have a Nigerian
diasporan‎
successfully initiate and
implement a policy for steady power supply or
infrastructural development.
..............Nigerians in the Diaspora who
long to make a difference do so and they are
not sometimes even
acknowledged even when

the ideas are sometimes stolen and poorly tried. T**he

best way for Nigerian Diasporans to make a
difference is for them to be
given voting
rights and

participation**.....*''''.........Unquote

Dr
MacDonald Mopho!
JUI
would like to ENDORSE the above excerpted statement, without
any
reservations! Happy New Year Brother
Mopho, and take care. JUI
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>

*Joe Onuroah,*
>
>
*You really like to get things mixed up, don't you?*
>
> *Diasporan Nigerians

will be better placed to do all that you say we have
> not done if we are given a voting right

and political participation. *
>
> *You appear not to know that any effort

any group of Nigerian Diasporans
> try to
make to suggest workable policies to ensure steady
electricity or
> infrastructure
development or any of the things you say we have failed
to
> do whether through engaging
government policy makers at the Federal, State
> or Local Government levels get frustrated
by those in Nigeria who would
> rather
remain in darkness than have a Nigerian diasporan‎
successfully
> initiate and implement a
policy for steady power supply or infrastructural
> development. Some Diasporans who went to
Nigeria to work with the noble
>
intention of making a difference returned back with stories
of how they
> were carefully frustrated
and forced out. I read some of them in these fora

> only last year.*
>
> *You probably have not made any effort

either by sending policy
>
recommendations based on direct experience of a Western
nation senior
> management employment or
senior executive training development to those you
> know in Government for the purpose of
contributing to progress or you did
> not
realise that Nigerians in the Diaspora who long to make a
difference do
> so and they are not
sometimes even acknowledged even when the ideas are

> sometimes stolen and poorly tried.*
>
> *The best way for

Nigerian Diasporans to make a difference is for them to
> be given voting rights and participation
as our brother Professor Joseph
>

Igietseme is advocating.*
>
> *I have no doubt the voting right of

Nigerian Diasporans will soon be
> given
effect. We had Diaspora participation in the National
Conference in
> 2014. Our voting and
political participation to enable us have the power to

> make a difference is on the way.*
>
> *Thank you*
>
> *MacDonald I J Mopho
*
> *London UK*

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Joe
Onuroah,

You really
like to get things mixed up, don't you?

Diasporan Nigerians will be better placed to do all
that you say we have not done if we are given a voting right
and political participation. 
You
appear not to know that any effort any group of Nigerian
Diasporans try to make to suggest workable policies to
ensure steady electricity or infrastructure development or
any of the things you say we have failed to do whether
through engaging government policy makers at the Federal,
State or Local Government levels get frustrated by those in
Nigeria who would rather remain in darkness than have a
Nigerian diasporan‎ successfully initiate and implement a
policy for steady power supply or infrastructural

development. Some Diasporans who went to Nigeria to work
with the noble intention of making a difference returned
back with stories of how they were carefully frustrated and
forced out. I read some of them in these fora only last
year.

You
probably have not made any effort either by sending policy
recommendations based on direct experience of a Western
nation senior management employment or senior executive
training development to those you know in Government for the
purpose of contributing to progress or you did not realise
that Nigerians in the Diaspora who long to make a difference
do so and they are not sometimes even acknowledged even when
the ideas are sometimes stolen and poorly
tried.

The
best way for Nigerian Diasporans to make a difference is for
them to be given voting rights and participation as our
brother Professor Joseph Igietseme is
advocating.

I
have no doubt the voting right of Nigerian Diasporans will
soon be given effect. We had Diaspora participation in the
National Conference in 2014. Our voting and political
participation to enable us have the power to make a

difference is on the way.
Thank
you
MacDonald I J Mopho London UK

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[Joseph Onuorah]

[Joseph Igietseme]

Gen Williams,
It appears some of us have essentially double-down on the broader significance of Voting Abroad; we've reduced it to mere tasks-dependent citizen-country responsibility and IGNORED the GREATER fundamental reasons for practicing voting abroad, including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad,  democracy and patriotism promotion,  and effective diplomatic or ambassadorial utility.
If you observe out there, collection of pittance from taxes is the last reason that industrialized nations and developing countries like Ghana, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea or Iraq are practicing Voting Abroad by non-resident citizens.
Take care. JUI

On Jan 13, 2017 4:20 PM, "'ishola williams' via OkonkwoNetworks" <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Citizens not only have rights but must also fulfill their responsibilities to the Country.

In cases of Permanent (or  long-term illegal) Residency/Dual Citizenship,there are deem to have  dual responsibilities especially in case of  living in a developed country like USA and in  Europe and developing one like Nigeria.The tendency is to be more responsible in a developed country for well-known reasons.

Are the remittances by individuals with the above status,a fulfillment of reponsibilities to the country or the extended families and communities?If the answer is yes,is that enough to earn voting rights?How do other millions without families abroad benefit from these remittances? We also know that many do not earn enough to remit a cent while others have not lost contact with friends and extended Families and they do not care.Those with Businesses in the country are in a separate entity.

What about the costs of external voting? Who will pay when presently,INEC spends about 700million Naira for on average for each state Guber elections within the country?Will INEC need to send Commissioners abroad with staff or allow the Ambassador appointed by the party in power supervise the elections or remote Voting?

It is obvious to all of us that the Parties who have the Resources will need forex for campaigns abroad or will their supporters abroad cover the costs and even sponsor candidates at home with their own contributions like US Super Pacs.

It will be interesting to read the attached long essay because the next step is to ask for Representation at NASS.

At the end of the day,what are extra  benefits that we can get from Non-Resident voting and Representation as already there is Mr Gbajabiamila who can be said to be a Non-Resident Representative.iw for shaking  for  voting with responsibility to country and community through 2% tax on remittances.

 

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[Anthony Momah]

Good morning everyone this is something to ligten the mood. https://youtu.be/72PUAQZPoHY Sometimes we get too serious but in case you missed the revolution going on in Africa and globally - African music, culture and dancing is spreading like wildlife - We really need to take notice of what Nollywood, Afrobeat (west, east, and southern African) are doing to change the perception of Africa. Please see the link, we also have to have a social and cultural discussions on the transformation that is happening to us on the continent and globally( diasporans ). Many languages are dying, and our culture is erroding (and the like) because we want to copy Oyinbo man and being appropriated; we have to get serious and stop with the name callings and really really get serious and start having targeted solution driven discussion- And most importantly involve young people in these discussions. It is amazing what these artists have don with little to no funding or government assistance - the culture is in serious demand, from what my kids tell me... we need to find ways to encourage our people to exploit the financial windfall that can come from this. Cultural appropriation is happening under our noses ... and it could be costing us Billions of dollars.. My people make we open our eyes.... And take a few moments to just smell the roses as well Anthony Momah

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This is a typical "losers approach" to solving problems. According Voting rights to Diaspora Nigerians will not do much (if any) to improving the conditions of life in Nigeria (please list the benefits). Thus I see the points that IW is making. Somehow, as in many things, I see that some Diaspora Nigerians believe that this will open some doors for them... Purely for selfish reasons. Joe.
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> Those who want voting abroad may find
themselves the losers at the mercy
> of
ANY ruling cabal. Abroad votes may become sources of
sure-votes for ANY
> ruling party.
> Shikena
> Afis
> “Just as a solid rock is not shaken by
the storm, even so the wise are not
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affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.
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*There are various known cases (E.g. parliamentary and
presidential
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2008) where, despite there being some kind of
> constitutional or legal provisions making
voting from abroad possible, it
> has not
materialized due to the lack of the political,
legislative,
> financial or
administrative agreement required for it to be regulated
or
> organized. This provides evidence of
the increasing relevance of external
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voting on the political and electoral agenda in several
regions of the
> world, as well as of the
polemics involved in debates on its relevance and
> feasibility and the varied complexities of
decision making.*
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*Countries where external voting provisions exist but are
still to be
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[Ishola Williams]

AM,There are a lot of cultural activities going for those who are interested including your children.A lot is being done to promote Nollywood while the young ones are going into Hip-Hop and Rap Musics rather than the Traditional folk songs,dance and instruments.South Africa has become a model and I am in discussion with some South Africans to organise a SYMPOFEST in the immediate future on African Indigenous Music,Dance, Musical Instruments,indigenous woven Textiles,Dress and Hairdos etc.

For example,47 Colleges/Universities with African Studies Centres/Institutes/Groups which teach African Languages especially Yoruba with Grants from US State Department African Languages Prorgamme.

Many Universities including Ivy league offer Ethnomusicology, Ethnochoreology,African Arts(once called Primitive) etc at Undergraduate cum Graduate Level.Infact UCLA started an on- programme on African Traditional Music in the 80s.The same with African Indigenous Religions?theology.An effort is being made to organise a SYMPOFEST on African Indigenous Spiritrual Music(like the Negro Spirituals),Dance and other forms of Cultural Expressions.

In addition to the above,the Igbo Community in USA is leading a World wide Movement on Igbo Language,History and Cultural Expressions.get you family and friends to join the movement.Neither you nor your family and friends can not be whining if existing structures are on ground with on-going activities.iw

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:06 AM, 'Anthony Momah' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Good morning everyone this is something to ligten the mood. https://youtu.be/72PUAQZPoHY Sometimes we get too serious but in case you missed the revolution going on in Africa and globally - African music, culture and dancing is spreading like wildlife - We really need to take notice of what Nollywood, Afrobeat (west, east, and southern African) are doing to change the perception of Africa. Please see the link, we also have to have a social and cultural discussions on the transformation that is happening to us on the continent and globally( diasporans ). Many languages are dying, and our culture is erroding (and the like) because we want to copy Oyinbo man and being appropriated; we have to get serious and stop with the name callings and really really get serious and start having targeted solution driven discussion- And most importantly involve young people in these discussions. It is amazing what these artists have don with little to no funding or government assistance - the culture is in serious demand, from what my kids tell me... we need to find ways to encourage our people to exploit the financial windfall that can come from this. Cultural appropriation is happening under our noses ... and it could be costing us Billions of dollars.. My people make we open our eyes.... And take a few moments to just smell the roses as well Anthony Momah

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Mopho: Please focus on the issue or topic not on characterizing me. You cannot characterize me. In any case, read my response. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/13/17, MacDonald Mopho mij....@gmail.com [NaijaPolitics] <NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad? To: "Joseph Onuorah nnam...@yahoo.com [NaijaPolitics]" <NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com>, naija...@googlegroups.com, edo_g...@yahoogroups.com, Raay...@yahoogroups.com, YanA...@yahoogroups.com

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If some of us did not read the following cogent reasons why many countries practice External Voting, I'm reposting it:

The 

broader significance of Voting Abroad

​ are​

​

 fundamental

​, ​

including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad,  democracy and patriotism promotion,  and effective diplomatic or ambassadorial

​activities​

.

 

​​

If you observe out there, collection of pittance from taxes is the last reason that industrialized nations and developing countries like Ghana, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea or Iraq are practicing Voting Abroad by non-resident citizens. 

Take care. JUI

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:27 AM, 'Joseph Onuorah' via OkonkwoNetworks <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

This is a typical "losers approach" to solving problems. According Voting rights to Diaspora Nigerians will not do much (if any) to improving the conditions of life in Nigeria (please list the benefits). Thus I see the points that IW is making. Somehow, as in many things, I see that some Diaspora Nigerians believe that this will open some doors for them... Purely for selfish reasons. Joe.
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Well put, I know of some of the programs and I am involved in a few myself.  Godspeed and power to you for all your efforts, I still would like to have a conversation at a time that is convenient for you.

 

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?

AM,There are a lot of cultural activities going for those who are interested including your children.A lot is being done to promote Nollywood while the young ones are going into Hip-Hop and Rap Musics rather than the Traditional folk songs,dance and instruments.South Africa has become a model and I am in discussion with some South Africans to organise a SYMPOFEST in the immediate future on African Indigenous Music,Dance, Musical Instruments,indigenous woven Textiles,Dress and Hairdos etc.

For example,47 Colleges/Universities with African Studies Centres/Institutes/Groups which teach African Languages especially Yoruba with Grants from US State Department African Languages Prorgamme.

Many Universities including Ivy league offer Ethnomusicology, Ethnochoreology,African Arts(once called Primitive) etc at Undergraduate cum Graduate Level.Infact UCLA started an on- programme on African Traditional Music in the 80s.The same with African Indigenous Religions?theology.An effort is being made to organise a SYMPOFEST on African Indigenous Spiritrual Music(like the Negro Spirituals),Dance and other forms of Cultural Expressions.

In addition to the above,the Igbo Community in USA is leading a World wide Movement on Igbo Language,History and Cultural Expressions.get you family and friends to join the movement.Neither you nor your family and friends can not be whining if existing structures are on ground with on-going activities.iw

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:06 AM, 'Anthony Momah' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Good morning everyone this is something to ligten the mood. https://youtu.be/72PUAQZPoHY Sometimes we get too serious but in case you missed the revolution going on in Africa and globally - African music, culture and dancing is spreading like wildlife - We really need to take notice of what Nollywood, Afrobeat (west, east, and southern African) are doing to change the perception of Africa. Please see the link, we also have to have a social and cultural discussions on the transformation that is happening to us on the continent and globally( diasporans ). Many languages are dying, and our culture is erroding (and the like) because we want to copy Oyinbo man and being appropriated; we have to get serious and stop with the name callings and really really get serious and start having targeted solution driven discussion- And most importantly involve young people in these discussions. It is amazing what these artists have don with little to no funding or government assistance - the culture is in serious demand, from what my kids tell me... we need to find ways to encourage our people to exploit the financial windfall that can come from this. Cultural appropriation is happening under our noses ... and it could be costing us Billions of dollars.. My people make we open our eyes.... And take a few moments to just smell the roses as well Anthony Momah

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Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2017 3:32:31 AM

Mopho: Please focus on the issue or topic not on characterizing me. You cannot characterize me. In any case, read my response. ------------------------------ -------------- On Fri, 1/13/17, MacDonald Mopho mij....@gmail.com [NaijaPolitics] <NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com > wrote: Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad? To: "Joseph Onuorah nnam...@yahoo.com [NaijaPolitics]" <NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com >, naija...@googlegroups.com, edo_g...@yahoogroups.com, Raay...@yahoogroups.com, YanA...@yahoogroups.com

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OKONKWONETWORKS@googlegroups. com; FORUM IGBO WORLD FORUM

Cc: naijaintellects@googlegroups. com, "Joe

Attueyi" <topc...@yahoo.com>, "Gregg Ukaegbu" <guka...@comcast.net>, "NIgerianWorldForum@ yahoogroups.com"

<NIgerianWorldForum@ yahoogroups.com>,

naijao...@yahoogroups.com, "African GM" <africanworldforum@ googlegroups.com>,

"OKONKWONETWORKS@googlegroups. com" <okonkwonetworks@googlegroups. com>, "FORUM IGBO WORLD FORUM IGBO WORLD" <igboworldforum@yahoogroups. com>,

Mexico <https://www.theguardian.com/ world/mexico> and

------------------------------ -----------Voting abroad

is   every citizen's   right     “”*By giving the right to vote to citizens living   abroad, countries will   soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all   levels:   economic, social and political. As Mexico

<https://www.theguardian.com/ world/mexico> and

<https://www.theguardian.com/ world/egypt>, Turkey,

<http://www.idea.int/ publications/voting_from_ abroad/index.cfm>,

argues   that “external voting is highly relevant to the many   people who are   travelling or working around the globe”. It is also   pertinent, she writes

<http://www.idea.int/ elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm>,

<http://www.idea.int/ elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm>.

<https://www.theguardian.com/ world/mexico> and

Iraq   learned, by casting a   ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their   native countries.   This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we   show our   ability and willingness to participate in more than a single   vote: it can   be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their   native   societies.*

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Even though,the law allows Non-Residents of Ghana to vote,they are yet to do so because the Political Parties donot have the resources to campaign abroad etc.

Please read the attachment below.

Iraq as a Post-Conflict country had to allow its citizens who were forced to disperse,to vote.Before the Conflict not many citizens were interested in leaving Iraq.

Many  countries with few living in population Cape Verde,Equatorial Guinea even Senegal have reasons to allow their Citizens to vote.

In fact countries that have been doing for sometime have seen decreasing number of voters and this has not affected remittances and investment from their citizens abroad.iw 

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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

If some of us did not read the following cogent reasons why many countries practice External Voting, I'm reposting it:

The 

broader significance of Voting Abroad

​ are​

​

 fundamental

​, ​

including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad,  democracy and patriotism promotion,  and effective diplomatic or ambassadorial

​activities​

.

 

​​

If you observe out there, collection of pittance from taxes is the last reason that industrialized nations and developing countries like Ghana, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea or Iraq are practicing Voting Abroad by non-resident citizens. 

Take care. JUI

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:27 AM, 'Joseph Onuorah' via OkonkwoNetworks <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

This is a typical "losers approach" to solving problems. According Voting rights to Diaspora Nigerians will not do much (if any) to improving the conditions of life in Nigeria (please list the benefits). Thus I see the points that IW is making. Somehow, as in many things, I see that some Diaspora Nigerians believe that this will open some doors for them... Purely for selfish reasons. Joe.
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On Sat, 1/14/17, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?
 To: "ishola williams" <ishlaw...@ymail.com>

 Cc: "Odua" <Omo...@yahoogroups.com>, "<,naija...@googlegroups.com >," <naija...@googlegroups.com>, "Nigerian ID" <Niger...@yahoogroups.com>, YanA...@yahoogroups.com, "OKONKWONETWORKS@googlegroups. com" <okonkwonetworks@googlegroups. com>, africanworldforum@ googlegroups.com, naijaintellects@googlegroups. com, "Vincent...@msn.com" <vincent...@msn.com>, rot...@yahoo.com, "Naija Politics" <naijap...@yahoogroups.com >, "FORUM IGBO WORLD FORUM IGBO WORLD" <igboworldforum@yahoogroups. com>, "A. Gml" <abba...@gmail.com>, "Joe Attueyi" <topc...@yahoo.com>, edo_g...@yahoogroups.com, TalkN...@yahoogroups.com, "MGAd...@aol.com" <mgad...@aol.com>, "Gregg Ukaegbu" <guka...@comcast.net>, "Okonkwonetworks" <okonkwonetworks@groups. google.com>, "Ike Agbor" <ikea...@yahoo.com>, naijao...@yahoogroups.com, "Our Country Nigeria" <ourcountrynigeria@ yahoogroups.ca>, NIgerianWorldForum@ yahoogroups.com, Raay...@yahoogroups.com

 > Morocco, Egypt <https://www.theguardian.com/ world/egypt>,

 > <http://www.idea.int/ publications/voting_from_ abroad/index.cfm>,

 argues
 > that “external voting is
 highly relevant to the many people who are
 > travelling or working around the globe”.
 It is also pertinent, she writes

 > <http://www.idea.int/ elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm>,

 difficulty <http://www.idea.int/ elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm>.

 and Iraq learned, by casting a
 > ballot
 citizens began to seek out a means to better their native
 countries.
 > This is a lesson we all
 should learn, because by voting, we show our
 > ability and willingness to participate in
 more than a single vote: it can
 > be a
 moment that enables citizens to take action for their
 native
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[Joseph Onuorah]

Indeed JUI has yet to come up with the benefits. Those he listed below are laughable! Sorry JUI but that's pretty much it. I understand the frustration of not having "a say" in what goes on in Nigeria, (and not having much say in what goes on where we live!) Especially as we approach that critical time when a man asks: what really have I accomplished? What am I leaving behind?, etc of course such questions are rare among Africans! who typically believe that how many children and mansions they have constitute legacy. Nope!). As I noted earlier, we missed the opportunity to create a path for such. May not be late but I am afraid not even recognizing this at this point makes me wonder. Having a voting right is good but it will not do it. After all what have we done with the voting rights we have in USA, etc? Joe
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On Sat, 1/14/17, Chris Ukachukwu c_uka...@yahoo.com [IgboWorldForum] <IgboWor...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [IgboWorldForum] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?
To: "Joseph Igietseme" <jigie...@gmail.com>, "Joseph Onuorah" <nnam...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "ishola williams" <ishlaw...@ymail.com>, "Odua" <Omo...@yahoogroups.com>, "< naija...@googlegroups.com>" <naija...@googlegroups.com>, "Nigerian ID" <Niger...@yahoogroups.com>, "YanA...@yahoogroups.com" <YanA...@yahoogroups.com>, "OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com" <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com>, "African GM" <africanw...@googlegroups.com>, "naijain...@googlegroups.com" <naijain...@googlegroups.com>, "Vincent...@msn.com" <vincent...@msn.com>, "rot...@yahoo.com" <rot...@yahoo.com>, "Naija Politics" <naijap...@yahoogroups.com>, "FORUM IGBO WORLD FORUM IGBO WORLD" <igbowor...@yahoogroups.com>, "A. Gml" <abba...@gmail.com>, "Joe Attueyi" <topc...@yahoo.com>, "edo_g...@yahoogroups.com" <edo_g...@yahoogroups.com>, "TalkN...@yahoogroups.com" <TalkN...@yahoogroups.com>, "MGAd...@aol.com" <mgad...@aol.com>, "Gregg Ukaegbu" <guka...@comcast.net>, "Okonkwonetworks" <okonkwo...@groups.google.com>, "Ike Agbor" <ikea...@yahoo.com>, "naijao...@yahoogroups.com" <naijao...@yahoogroups.com>, "Our Country Nigeria" <ourcount...@yahoogroups.ca>, "NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com" <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com>, "Raay...@yahoogroups.com" <Raay...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, January 14, 2017, 12:18 PM

Dr JUI,All of the reasons
enumerated sound, em, spurious and academic. "Democracy
and patriotism promotion" how?
Let's let the people who wake up everyday
and wrestle with the realities of living in Nigeria vote in
Nigeria. Any Diasporan who wants to vote in Nigeria
elections should pay the equivalence of $500 voting tax per
election. If you miss even one payment, you lose that voting
right forever. That's how much I desire it.
 C. Ukachukwu"More relevant however is
that I have always found it despicable conduct when an
elected individual diverts the resources of the people over
whom he presides to carving out for himself a sinecure.
Self-service should not be read in the vocabulary of anyone
fortunate enough to be called to serve his or her
people."-- Professor Wole Soyinka


    On Saturday, January 14,
2017 10:19 AM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com>

wrote:



If some of us did not read the following cogent reasons why
many countries practice External Voting, I'm reposting
it:
The broader significance of Voting

Abroad​ are​​ fundamental​, ​including national

it, send an email to okonkwonetwor...@googlegroups.com.

[Joseph Onuorah]

[Joseph Igietseme]

Brother Chris Ukachukwu,

PIs tell whether your position on the External Voting by Nigerians is based on the socioeconomic situations of the countries listed below [see table] or it's based on the UNIQUENESS of the Nigerian circumstances on Planet Earth. Take care. JUI 

Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting

Countries where external voting provisions exist but are still to be implemented

https://aceproject.org/ace-en/ topics/va/onePage 

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Chris Ukachukwu <c_uka...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dr JUI,

All of the reasons enumerated sound, em, spurious and academic. "Democracy and patriotism promotion" how?

Let's let the people who wake up everyday and wrestle with the realities of living in Nigeria vote in Nigeria. Any Diasporan who wants to vote in Nigeria elections should pay the equivalence of $500 voting tax per election. If you miss even one payment, you lose that voting right forever. That's how much I desire it.

 

C. Ukachukwu

"More relevant however is that I have always found it despicable conduct when an elected individual diverts the resources of the people over whom he presides to carving out for himself a sinecure. Self-service should not be read in the vocabulary of anyone fortunate enough to be called to serve his or her people."

-- Professor Wole Soyinka

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:19 AM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

If some of us did not read the following cogent reasons why many countries practice External Voting, I'm reposting it:

The 

broader significance of Voting Abroad

​ are​

​

 fundamental

​, ​

including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad,  democracy and patriotism promotion,  and effective diplomatic or ambassadorial

​activities​

.

 

​​

If you observe out there, collection of pittance from taxes is the last reason that industrialized nations and developing countries like Ghana, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea or Iraq are practicing Voting Abroad by non-resident citizens. 

Take care. JUI

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:27 AM, 'Joseph Onuorah' via OkonkwoNetworks <okonkwonetworks@googlegroups.com> wrote:

This is a typical "losers approach" to solving problems. According Voting rights to Diaspora Nigerians will not do much (if any) to improving the conditions of life in Nigeria (please list the benefits). Thus I see the points that IW is making. Somehow, as in many things, I see that some Diaspora Nigerians believe that this will open some doors for them... Purely for selfish reasons. Joe.
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 Subject: Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?
 To: "ishola williams" <ishlaw...@ymail.com>

 Cc: "Odua" <Omo...@yahoogroups.com>, "<,naija...@googlegroups.com >," <naija...@googlegroups.com>, "Nigerian ID" <Niger...@yahoogroups.com>, YanA...@yahoogroups.com, "OKONKWONETWORKS@googlegroups. com" <okonkwonetworks@googlegroups. com>, africanworldforum@ googlegroups.com, naijaintellects@googlegroups. com, "Vincent...@msn.com" <vincent...@msn.com>, rot...@yahoo.com, "Naija Politics" <naijap...@yahoogroups.com >, "FORUM IGBO WORLD FORUM IGBO WORLD" <igboworldforum@yahoogroups. com>, "A. Gml" <abba...@gmail.com>, "Joe Attueyi" <topc...@yahoo.com>, edo_g...@yahoogroups.com, TalkN...@yahoogroups.com, "MGAd...@aol.com" <mgad...@aol.com>, "Gregg Ukaegbu" <guka...@comcast.net>, "Okonkwonetworks" <okonkwonetworks@groups. google.com>, "Ike Agbor" <ikea...@yahoo.com>, naijao...@yahoogroups.com, "Our Country Nigeria" <ourcountrynigeria@ yahoogroups.ca>, NIgerianWorldForum@ yahoogroups.com, Raay...@yahoogroups.com

 > <https://aceproject.org/ace- en/topics/va/onePage>
 > *<image005.gif>* <http://www.idea.int/ publications/index.cfm#cc>

 > Morocco, Egypt <https://www.theguardian.com/ world/egypt>,

 > <http://www.idea.int/ publications/voting_from_ abroad/index.cfm>,

 argues
 > that “external voting is
 highly relevant to the many people who are
 > travelling or working around the globe”.
 It is also pertinent, she writes

 > <http://www.idea.int/ elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm>,

 difficulty <http://www.idea.int/ elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm>.

 and Iraq learned, by casting a
 > ballot
 citizens began to seek out a means to better their native
 countries.
 > This is a lesson we all
 should learn, because by voting, we show our
 > ability and willingness to participate in
 more than a single vote: it can
 > be a
 moment that enables citizens to take action for their
 native
 > societies.*
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[Joe Attueyi]

Gen Williams has answered this question 

"..Even though,the law allows Non-Residents of Ghana to vote,they are yet to do so because the Political Parties donot have the resources to campaign abroad etc.

Please read the attachment below.

Iraq as a Post-Conflict country had to allow its citizens who were forced to disperse,to vote.Before the Conflict not many citizens were interested in leaving Iraq.

Many  countries with few living in population Cape Verde,Equatorial Guinea even Senegal have reasons to allow their Citizens to vote.

In fact countries that have been doing for sometime have seen decreasing number of voters and this has not affected remittances and investment from their citizens abroad.iw 

 Ishola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)

 E-mail: isholaw...@gmail.com

 isholaw...@gmail.com

 panafstragi...@yahoo.com

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On 14 Jan 2017, at 7:17 PM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Brother Chris Ukachukwu,

PIs tell whether your position on the External Voting by Nigerians is based on the socioeconomic situations of the countries listed below [see table] or it's based on the UNIQUENESS of the Nigerian circumstances on Planet Earth. Take care. JUI 

Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting

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Haha.....Pastor Joe! Do you honestly believe that Gen Williams answered the QUESTION with the scanty examples of Ghana and smaller countries he gave below when over a 110 countries still practice UNCONDITIONAL External Voting? Na wa ooo....haha! Have a Great weekend and take care. JUI 

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Joe Attueyi <topc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Gen Williams has answered this question 

"..Even though,the law allows Non-Residents of Ghana to vote,they are yet to do so because the Political Parties donot have the resources to campaign abroad etc.

Please read the attachment below.

Iraq as a Post-Conflict country had to allow its citizens who were forced to disperse,to vote.Before the Conflict not many citizens were interested in leaving Iraq.

Many  countries with few living in population Cape Verde,Equatorial Guinea even Senegal have reasons to allow their Citizens to vote.

In fact countries that have been doing for sometime have seen decreasing number of voters and this has not affected remittances and investment from their citizens abroad.iw 

 Ishola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)

 E-mail: isholawilliams@gmail.com

 isholaw...@gmail.com

 panafstraginternational@yahoo.com

 website: www.panafstrag.org

Sent from my iPhone

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Brother Chris Ukachukwu,

PIs tell whether your position on the External Voting by Nigerians is based on the socioeconomic situations of the countries listed below [see table] or it's based on the UNIQUENESS of the Nigerian circumstances on Planet Earth. Take care. JUI 

Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting

[Joseph Igietseme]

Pa Achusim,

Biko leave all these condescensions and ethnic bashing ALONE! Pls FOCUS on Pastor Joe Attueyi's demand for Diaspora taxes "on top of" the $21B Annual remittances, as precondition for passing and implementing the Diaspora Commission/Voting Bills. Do you AGREE? Dont even attempt to DODGE  the question...haha! Take care. JUI

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Philip Achusim <eze...@yahoo.com> wrote:

If cattle and babies can vote in Nigeria, why do Nigerians in the Diaspora need special assistance to vote in Nigerian elections? The next thing you know, they will be expecting special assistance to be included in the census. Not me. My aunt knows every member of our family worldwide and she knows their names, their dates of birth, all the way to my great grandchildren who are proud to be from UmudimUkpor. Northerners don't have these problems. Their cattle are included in the census and they vote. Their babies are included in the census and they vote. Their Diaspora are included in the census and they vote. The southerners? They want everything done for them by the book. While Abba and his friends are laughing their heads off and concluding that we from southern Nigeria are as dumb as they thought, the southern elite are debating non. Not Ezeana. I vote where I was born because I live where I was born. Buhari goes to Britain to clean his ear wax. I go to USA to get some dollars. The only difference is duration of stay. He hurries back because Aisha did not go with him. I don't hurry back because my iyawo is always with me, afraid of Kemi. Buhari votes. I vote. So what? The north loot and the south debate war on corruption and Abba laugh no be small o. 

I have to go. I am suddenly sick to my stomach. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim 

Odi-Isaa 

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Gen Williams has answered this question 

"..Even though,the law allows Non-Residents of Ghana to vote,they are yet to do so because the Political Parties donot have the resources to campaign abroad etc.

Please read the attachment below.

Iraq as a Post-Conflict country had to allow its citizens who were forced to disperse,to vote.Before the Conflict not many citizens were interested in leaving Iraq.

Many  countries with few living in population Cape Verde,Equatorial Guinea even Senegal have reasons to allow their Citizens to vote.

In fact countries that have been doing for sometime have seen decreasing number of voters and this has not affected remittances and investment from their citizens abroad.iw 

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[ishola williams]

 Prof sir,There are very few countries with "unconditional" votes for Non Residents.

For those who are interested please read the long essay by a Fordham University Author I circulated about 36 hours ago.
This paper is very clear about the rationale,conditions and criteria for voting.In addition,most countries look for cost-Effective way to do so.

For countries who donot have Non-Resident representation in their parliaments,the turnout is very low.Take South Africa, UK,Canada and New Zealand as examples to see the conditions etc

Moving on sir,western democracies sir are having problems with low voters turnout and looking for ways to get more young people to vote.It is the same in Africa and that is why stomach politics and monetary incentives are becoming a tradition.Scholars are looking for alternatives.Some countries make it obligatory  to vote as in Brazil and Australia.

Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together  to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.

I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me o

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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 2:53 PM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Haha.....Pastor Joe! Do you honestly believe that Gen Williams answered the QUESTION with the scanty examples of Ghana and smaller countries he gave below when over a 110 countries still practice UNCONDITIONAL External Voting? Na wa ooo....haha! Have a Great weekend and take care. JUI 

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Joe Attueyi <topc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Gen Williams has answered this question 

"..Even though,the law allows Non-Residents of Ghana to vote,they are yet to do so because the Political Parties donot have the resources to campaign abroad etc.

Please read the attachment below.

Iraq as a Post-Conflict country had to allow its citizens who were forced to disperse,to vote.Before the Conflict not many citizens were interested in leaving Iraq.

Many  countries with few living in population Cape Verde,Equatorial Guinea even Senegal have reasons to allow their Citizens to vote.

In fact countries that have been doing for sometime have seen decreasing number of voters and this has not affected remittances and investment from their citizens abroad.iw 

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[ishola williams]

Prof,I beg sir,I did expect you and CA to react and I was ready.

I did  not use the word "qualify".Please read my statement again.

I did say that ECOWAS and Mme ESJ herself can let us know why she did not continue as the  Chief Mediator after she led the first interaction with YJ.She and ex-President of Ghana continue to be part of the Mediation team.GMB is the Primus inter pares() I hope I am correct sir with the few latin words,I learntin King's College)

I am sure you know that no matter the calibre and the qualification of the Mediator if parties donot accept him or her as a mediator irrespective of gender,the chapter is closed until you appoint a new mediator accepted by all parties.

On the case of the UN replacement of BK Moon,politics and those who have the veto decide.I donot know who is the capable woman you refer to.Is it the DG of UNESCO from Bulgaria who in line with UN tradition of rotating between the regions of the world should have been the Sec-Gen or the former PM of New Zealand and Administrator of the UNDP?

Let me end by sir by quoting this oyinbo proverb "if wishes were horses,beggars would ride"

There is no affirmative action in Mediation.iw no shaking sir 

 

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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:10 PM, "Vincent Okwechime vincent....@hotmail.com [OurCountryNigeria]" <OurCount...@yahoogroups.ca> wrote:

 

I certainly don't agree wih the General that a lady of the caliber of Mrs Johnson Sirleaf, the eminent President of Liberia is not qualified to mediate in The Gambia post-election dispute.

None of the men on the team is more qualified than she is, less so our President. She may (even) fare better as the sole mediator in the matter given her successes in several other (not dissimilar) endeavors, and as President.

Let me add that, in my humble view, the UN General Assemby missed an opportunity to elect one of the very capable women who contested (for) the position of UN Secretary-General.

Vincent

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[Joseph Igietseme]

""""Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together  to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.
I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me o""".........UNQUOTE Gen Ishola Williams!

AMEN! AMEN!! AMEN!!

Meanwhile, with these lofty dreams we all have, we're refusing or reluctant to create the national consciousness, citizenship and embracing spirit that would allow the average Nigeria anywhere in the country or world to aspire to any office he/she is qualified for anywhere in the country.

.....NAIJAs na wa ooo!

NIGERIANS in the Diaspora want the Diaspora Commission and Voting Bills passed ASAP; if not, No Diaspora Bond oooo! Haha! Take care. JUI

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 6:23 PM, 'ishola williams' via OkonkwoNetworks <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Prof sir,There are very few countries with "unconditional" votes for Non Residents.

For those who are interested please read the long essay by a Fordham University Author I circulated about 36 hours ago.
This paper is very clear about the rationale,conditions and criteria for voting.In addition,most countries look for cost-Effective way to do so.

For countries who donot have Non-Resident representation in their parliaments,the turnout is very low.Take South Africa, UK,Canada and New Zealand as examples to see the conditions etc

Moving on sir,western democracies sir are having problems with low voters turnout and looking for ways to get more young people to vote.It is the same in Africa and that is why stomach politics and monetary incentives are becoming a tradition.Scholars are looking for alternatives.Some countries make it obligatory  to vote as in Brazil and Australia.

Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together  to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.

I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me o

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[John Ebohon]

General,

 

One is forced to respond to some of the comments you made below. Do you know or are aware of the formidable obstacles faced by those who have tried, or trying to collaborate with Nigerian institutions?  If you know the efforts expended, and on many occasions, wasted in trying to make some of the said opportunities you mentioned available to our people?  I give you few examples: one of my Nigerian PhD students wondered why I concentrated my effort working with South African universities, and after a very frank discussion, I asked that she follow up on an opportunity that opened up. A call was put out, 5 Nigerian VCs visited and went back, none followed up, despite repeated attempts to prompt them. We turned once again to South African institutions.

 

When this student completed her PhD, she went home and worked tirelessly to revive the programme, luckily, there was a dynamic VC in place. A visit took place and an MoU was signed. I brought another Nigerian who is the Dean and Head of School from another University that also signed an MoU with this institution. The MoU was to facilitate staffs and students’ movements between the two institutions to collaborate in research and best practice in pedagogy.  The British Embassy in Nigeria picked this up and a letter was sent to the UK institutions involved offering support and co-ordinations to us, which was relayed back to the university in Nigeria. To kick-start the programme, a three Joint International Conference was announced with the first one to take place in Nigeria, followed by two in the UK. Additionally, summer school was planned that would bring students from Nigeria to engage with their contemporaries from the UK and one other European country (Republic of Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Denmark, Rome). Books, equipment, and materials were to be recycled to the Nigerian university. What followed will pass for a home movie.

 

My ex-student who instigated the programme was ostracised by her colleagues, accusing her of inordinate ambitions and assertiveness, and further alleging that the initiative would lead to the UK universities involved tempting their Master degree students to the UK. The books donated and collected could not be sent because her bosses showed no interests. The other Nigerian went out to Nigeria to deliver their annual lecture series, this almost never happened because of the hostilities from some of the Nigerian university staffs. Regarding the international conference, the UK universities have unfortunately entered the event in their diaries, we could not turn back. I had to write again to the VC in Nigeria begging him not to disappoint us, the poor man was shocked to learn of the saga, and  following his intervention, we began to see some movements in that my ex-student was relieved of the numerous administrative burdens forced on her. To cut the story short, the joint international conference successfully took place in Nigeria from the 21st-24^th of March 2016.  you know that it took several interventions from the VC to have venues to facilitate the conference. The international conference committee decided to reward the efforts of my ex-student by asking her front the proceedings, she bluntly refused claiming that life would be made more unbearable for her by her colleagues. Rather than celebrate the enthusiasm and commitment of this young lady, they killed her spirit. The second Joint International Conference resulting from the engagement is billed for Dec 2017 at South Bank University in London with the third and final of the series to be held in Leicester in 2018. Colleagues from the University of the West of England and University of Central Lancashire (uclan) organised a major conference in Lagos in 2014. Lots are happening but the experience one gets is often unforgettable and unforgivable.

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Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?

Indeed. But let us look at the situation more broadly: we, the Diaspora Nigerians, have failed ourselves and our nation: all these years we refused to focus on initiatives that will Nigeria and Nigerians move in the right direction. Initiatives that would clear lots of huddles for us, make our transition easier, allow us to fully participate in the political processes, create enduring opportunities for us and everyone else. If we had done so, there possible would be better governance, steady electricity, good water supply, recognized participation in the political system, security, etc. Rather we focussed on individual acquisition of land, donating to projects, breaking of kola nuts, fighting each other here, and the likes. All things that do not help a society grow. Today, we are scared to spend but a few weeks in Nigeria for fear of getting sick (ever thought of how much improvement we could have made if we had worked with our counterparts to develop a good healthcare system? NOT going to medil mission!). We complain about the political system (ever thought of how better the process would have been if all these years we worked with our politicians to help them see the good in focusing on what benefits the society in general versus what benefits a few. NOT helping them hide public money they stole! NOT working with them to obtain government lands that most would not even live to in!
We complain about poor infrastructure. How many times have our agenda and discussions in all these diaspora conventions and similar gatherings dwelt on engaging our invited Nigerian dignitaries and showing them how such infrasture in USA, UK, France, etc were built by humans not God! And so on. By not doing the above, we have lost just as the country has lost. One has to build for one to enjoy later. We did not build Nigeria and thus Nigeria is not ready for us. Building mansions and owning lands, in poor and infested environment, amidst poverty, in unstable economy, is not building a society! Joe
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[Ishola Williams]

Prof,What stops you from aspiring to the highest office.Voting for somebody from abroad is different from being voted to an office since you have to come to be seen and heard.Please come home and contest and give our people options.

Many Non Residents have taken up and are still in political positions.Many have won and lost election in our country without voting rights.

Non-Resident citizens have the options of two countries to serve.Enjoying the best of two worlds.Therefore,you can make my dreams come true as in UK.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

""""Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together  to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.
I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me o""".........UNQUOTE Gen Ishola Williams!

AMEN! AMEN!! AMEN!!

Meanwhile, with these lofty dreams we all have, we're refusing or reluctant to create the national consciousness, citizenship and embracing spirit that would allow the average Nigeria anywhere in the country or world to aspire to any office he/she is qualified for anywhere in the country.

.....NAIJAs na wa ooo!

NIGERIANS in the Diaspora want the Diaspora Commission and Voting Bills passed ASAP; if not, No Diaspora Bond oooo! Haha! Take care. JUI

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[Joseph Onuorah]

Great points IW! We want to eat our cake and have it. Joe.
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Prof,What stops you from
aspiring to the highest office.Voting for somebody
from abroad is different from being voted to an
office since you have to
come to be seen and
heard.Please come home and contest and give our people
options.
Many Non Residents
have taken up and are still in political positions.Many
have won and lost election in our country
without voting rights.
Non-Resident citizens
have the options of two countries to serve.Enjoying
the best of two worlds.Therefore,you can make
my dreams come true as in UK.
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> *Let me end

with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents
will
> come together  to get
Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in
> California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New
Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in
>
Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a
State Governor.I
> will refuse to die
until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see
> am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is

shaking? no be me o*""".........UNQUOTE

> Gen Ishola Williams!
>
> AMEN! AMEN!!
AMEN!!
> Meanwhile, with these lofty
dreams we all have, we're refusing or
> reluctant to create the national
consciousness, citizenship and embracing
> spirit that would allow the average
Nigeria anywhere in the country or
>
world to aspire to any office he/she is qualified for
anywhere in the
> country.
> .....NAIJAs na wa ooo!
>
> NIGERIANS in the
Diaspora want the Diaspora Commission and Voting Bills
> passed ASAP; if not, No Diaspora Bond
oooo! Haha! Take care. JUI
>
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>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017
at 6:23 PM, 'ishola williams' via OkonkwoNetworks
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<panafstragi...@yahoo.com>

>>  website: www.panafstrag.org
>>
>> Sent from my
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>>
>> On
14 Jan 2017, at 7:17 PM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Brother Chris Ukachukwu,
>> PIs tell whether your position on the
External Voting by Nigerians is
>>
based on the socioeconomic situations of the countries
listed below [see
>> table] or
it's based on the UNIQUENESS of the Nigerian
circumstances on
>> Planet Earth. Take
care. JUI
>>
>>

*Countries and territories with current provisions for
external voting*

>> [image: https://aceproject.org/images/encyclopaedia/copy_of_table1.1.GIF]

>>
>> *Countries
where external voting provisions exist but are still to
be
>> implemented*

>> [image: https://aceproject.org/images/encyclopaedia/table1.2.GIF]
>> https://aceproject.org/ace-en/
topics/va/onePage

>> <https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/va/onePage>
>> *[image: https://aceproject.org/images/CC_IDEA.GIF]*
>> <http://www.idea.int/publications/index.cfm#cc>

>> ------------------------------
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>>
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>>
>> On Sat, Jan
14, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Chris Ukachukwu <c_uka...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dr JUI,
>> All
of the reasons enumerated sound, em, spurious and
academic.
>> "Democracy and
patriotism promotion" how?
>>
>> Let's let the people who wake up
everyday and wrestle with the realities
>> of living in Nigeria vote in Nigeria.
Any Diasporan who wants to vote in
>>
Nigeria elections should pay the equivalence of $500 voting
tax per
>> election. If you miss even
one payment, you lose that voting right forever.
>> That's how much I desire it.
>>
>>
>> C. Ukachukwu
>>

"*More relevant however is that I have always found it

despicable
>> conduct when an elected
individual diverts the resources of the people over
>> whom he presides to carving out for
himself a sinecure. Self-service should
>> not be read in the vocabulary of
anyone fortunate enough to be called to

>> serve his or her people.*"

>> com <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com>>

>> com <OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com>"
<okonkwonetworks@googlegroups.
>> com <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com>>,
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"Naija Politics" <
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>> "Gregg Ukaegbu" <guka...@comcast.net>,
"Okonkwonetworks" <okonkwonetworks@groups.

>> google.com <okonkwo...@groups.google.com>>,

"Ike Agbor" <
>> ikea...@yahoo.com>,
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"Our Country
>> Nigeria"
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com <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com>>

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>>  >  website:
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>>  >
>>  >
>> 
>
>>  >
>>  >
>>  On
Friday, January 13, 2017 3:05 PM, 'Afis Deinde'
>>  via AfricanWorldForum <
>>  > africanworldforum@
googlegroups.com

>> <africanw...@googlegroups.com>>

>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/mexico>>

>>  https://aceproject.org/ace-en / <https://aceproject.org/ace-en/>
>>  topics/va/onePage
>>  > <https://aceproject.org/ace-
en/topics/va/onePage
>> <https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/va/onePage>>

>>  > *<image005.gif>* <http://www.idea.int/
publications/index.cfm#cc
>>

<http://www.idea.int/publications/index.cfm#cc>>

>>  >
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>> 
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>> 
>
>> 
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>> 
----------------------------- -
>> 
>
>> 
----------------------------- - -----------Voting abroad
is
>>  every
>>  > citizen's right
>>  > “”*By giving the right to
vote to
>>  citizens living abroad,
countries will
>>  >
>>  soon discover that it means the
betterment of society on all
>> 
levels:
>>  > economic, social and
political.
>>  As Mexico
>>  > <https://www.theguardian.com/
world/mexico

>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/mexico>>

>>  and Iraq learned, by casting a
>>  > ballot
>>  citizens began to seek out a means
to better their native
>> 
countries.
>>  > This is a lesson
we all
>>  should learn, because by
voting, we show our
>>  > ability
and willingness to participate in
>> 
more than a single vote: it can
>> 
> be a
>>  moment that enables
citizens to take action for their
>> 
native
>>  > societies.*””
>>  > Joseph Mayton <https://www.theguardian.com/
profile/joseph-mayton

>> <https://www.theguardian.com/profile/joseph-mayton>>

>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/egypt>>,

>>  Turkey, Armenia
>>  > and Botswana. It needs
>>  to change.
>>  > It’s not difficult to see
>>  why some countries don’t allow
citizens residing
>>  > abroad to
vote. Lebanon, for example, has
>> 
some 12 million citizens living
>> 
> outside
>>  the country <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lebanese_diaspora

>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_diaspora>>

>> <http://www.idea.int/publications/voting_from_abroad/index.cfm>>,

>>  argues
>> 
> that “external voting is
>> 
highly relevant to the many people who are
>>  > travelling or working around
the globe”.
>>  It is also
pertinent, she writes
>>  > <http://www.idea.int/
elections/voting_from_abroad. cfm

>> <http://www.idea.int/elections/voting_from_abroad.cfm>>,

<http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-215804-100-govt-drafting-legislation-to-allow-expat-voting-in-elections.html>

>> <http://www.idea.int/elections/voting_from_abroad.cfm>>.

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[ishola williams]

OJ,This general does not like force and in addition you know that we have discussed this subject before.The challenge I threw to you and AG(We missed each other in Atlanta because of my trip which we lasted longer than expected) was that Nigeria needs one or two Private Graduate Institutions set up and run by Non-Resident  Nigerians as a model and platform for collaboration like the PanAfrican University in Lagos.If the Business School of your University wants to work with it ,it will be easier.There are also other programmes between individuals who do work together on specific research projects.As you do know with some  VCs being involved and caught with their hands in cookies jars,what do you expect? 

That said my point is that many Nigerians work as Consultants including many of  the Home and Foreign Based active and retired Prof Cum VCs for money and self glorification.

The Conferences for 2017 and 2018 will hold as our people like to travel abroad and only very few care about the takeaways and the follow-up activities to these events.

I have refused to be frustrated by Nigerian Universities, Institutions and Organistions including NGOs as I believe that out of 30,I will find 1 who will not ask for "what-is-it-for-me.Let people like you continue to try so that the world does not leave us behind. 

We shall overcome sir for sure after this period of primitive acumulation. iw

 

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[Wilson Iguade]

Below as described by OJ is real and happens in almost every aspect of ANY transaction in Nigeria, the so called "best and brightest" have ruined that country and created bottlenecks to progress and prosperity. Nigeria we HAIL thee! Lord have mercy! Iguade

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[Wilson Iguade]

Below response to OJ's only proves the level of significant BACKWARDNESS that exist in the minds of Nigeria's ELITE and so called "educated class" and in the recognized leaders' class. How can this class of people in society constantly do things to degrade the country's prosperity, as illustrated in this thread?

Lord have mercy! Nigeria is fucked up, always draining resources and talents unnecessarily, yet we claim not to know why we are NOT an advanced country. This all started with the way our elite class were educated in Nigeria which predominantly affected best practices. 

Stay tuned ... 

Iguade

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[Wilson Iguade]

With all due respect, the General is a poster child of antiquity and failed polices of the past so what would any reasonable person expect. He should not be listen to, but respected for his past failed deeds given the conditions of Nigeria today which started to degenerate 20-30 years ago when he was part of those that dug Nigeria into a deeper abyss of ruination that JONA tried to dig Nigeria out of it, but he was pushed out as the leader of the Shoeless generation. Well, you have Nigeria now under the Debtor generation leader, Buhari. Have fun fixing it! 

Whether the word "qualified" was used or not, what the Gen. intended was clear from below. God help Africa see LIGHT! Too much darkness in the Continent. 

Iguade

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[Wilson Iguade]

We should be praying for our country to be better! Not praying for brain drain from Nigeria as prayed for below. Backwardness is prevalent in the manner in which Nigeria leaders have been educated and practices. Lord help us! Instead of praying for GOOD GOVERNANCE in Nigeria to uplift the masses, we are indirectly praying for Nigerians to CONTINUE to build other countries while their country slides into destitution. 

Na wire o! God help Nigeria o! Iguade

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[Wilson Iguade]

This is the same worthless argument - please come home - come home to what? Come home so we can steal from you (Diasporans), come home so we can frustrate you, come home to waste and educated buffoons (dealing with obtuse leadership). Come home to what? Are those (so called leaders) in Nigeria so INEPT that we have to come home to bail them out? 

What stops you Gen. IW from "aspiring to the highest office" in the land? Are you not good enough? I think you would be better than the current General occupying Aso Rock! 

So practice what you preach aspire "to the highest office" in the land, leader by example, Gen. IW. Can you, sir! 

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[Joe Attueyi]

In one case, a man and his wife applied for a development grant via UNESCO and World Bank were successful and their initial drawdowns were augmented by some churches in the US.  The objective was to establish an ultramodern community health clinics in Imo State, piloting at least 2, 12 months from the date of the initial drawdown.  Long story short, the Imo State government would not let him break ground without sharing the initial funds.  The man left Nigeria in disgust, came back here and returned the monies to all the entities that he received the money from. The other case was quite similar, a friend, medic turned industrialist, ran away from Nigeria without implementing the industry he had in mind because of bribes.

Gregg

There is something that does not add up in this community health clinic  story.  

1.was the guy expecting a matching grant from the Imo state government? If not , under what circumstances would the Imo state government 'not allow him to break ground'?

2. Please give me his contacts I would love to have him build a pilot in my village. We will provide him the land free of charge --- and any and all permits he needs BEFORE he departs the US. As long as he is bringing FULL funding from UNESCO / WORLD BANK 

Joe

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One is forced to respond to some of the comments you made below. Do you know or are aware of the formidable obstacles faced by those who have tried, or trying to collaborate with Nigerian institutions?(John Ebohon)

Brother John nailed it right, considering the childishness and naiveté that touched off this thread. When you see the uninformed  baseless rants about what the Diaspora has done in Nigeria, you begin to wonder where this person has been and if they even know Nigeria to begin with.  

Nigerian government at federal or state level has absolutely no interest in what anyone overseas has to say.  Any attempt to persuade them to change any aspect of how to do things is consistently met with lack of interest.  When they request a demonstration from one person or a group of people, unless the group has some whites in it, the Nigerian government at all levels has no regard for it.  

As far as Diasporan descending on Nigeria like locusts and transforming the place overnight, that would be nice if there is any thought behind such euphoric wishes.  But the point is that it has been tried by so many and been brushed off due the corrupt nature of the Nigerian government and their desire to have you bribe them before project of value can be implemented.  I have 2 examples both identical. 

In one case, a man and his wife applied for a development grant via UNESCO and World Bank were successful and their initial drawdowns were augmented by some churches in the US.  The objective was to establish an ultramodern community health clinics in Imo State, piloting at least 2, 12 months from the date of the initial drawdown.  Long story short, the Imo State government would not let him break ground without sharing the initial funds.  The man left Nigeria in disgust, came back here and returned the monies to all the entities that he received the money from. The other case was quite similar, a friend, medic turned industrialist, ran away from Nigeria without implementing the industry he had in mind because of bribes.

Point is, the government will not support any broad development effort that does not go through them and even at that, unless the seed money is shared and wiped out, nothing will happen. Forget about ideas, that's the last thing that flies in Nigeria. 

To all of a sudden want Nigeria to be transformed by people in the diaspora, whom the government did not invest in or supported in their personal journey to build up themselves is way too naïve to say the least.

                             *Gregg*

 

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[ishola williams]

Pastor J,This is what I keep saying that there are many like you who are ready for collaborations.

I have said in earlier posting that we talk about collaborations that failed and forget about the successful ones with beneficial ones.We are fond of generalisation with one or two bad cases.It is true that bribes are demanded.

However,under normal circumstances,International Agencies demand that you make known your local partners who has  co- designed the project,sharing of responsibilities and the Budget .

When this is done,there is no need for the Government,individuals or groups to ask for bribes because the compensation is part of the Budget too.

I am awaiting the reaction to your request as the story is incomplete.iw 

 

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[ishola williams]

WI,Una go say I am too old now at 73 years.I no get money o but if you get Koch Brothers who be una friend to gi mee money,then na run be that pass Usain Bolt.There are better and younger Nigerians at home and abroad who are afraid of the murky politics.They are the ones you need to convince through identifying them and give them the necessary support.

The serious issue is that ,I am not "votable" in my street so I cannot win the local primary.

What is bad in you too with the double opportunitues,you have to aspire to the any office in Texas or in Nigeria?

In addition,many Non-Resident Nigerians go home everyday for politics and business and as in life some have suceeded and some have failed.They are not waiting for any Diaspora Commission and Voting Rights.Those ones act on the ground and not through Remittances only.Some are also acting through Ethnic Unions in USA and other places and the strong ones manage to influence situations in their LGAs and Towns.Do they need the Commission  to do more?

WI,I beg you,tell me better tory or give chance make I hear better word from my people like OJ who dey try to turn Brain Drain to Brain Gain.

Once there is a will,there is a way sir.The will of those who have been working does not come from legal framework but passion and selflessness.

 

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On Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:25 AM, Wilson Iguade <igu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

This is the same worthless argument - please come home - come home to what? Come home so we can steal from you (Diasporans), come home so we can frustrate you, come home to waste and educated buffoons (dealing with obtuse leadership). Come home to what? Are those (so called leaders) in Nigeria so INEPT that we have to come home to bail them out? 

What stops you Gen. IW from "aspiring to the highest office" in the land? Are you not good enough? I think you would be better than the current General occupying Aso Rock! 

So practice what you preach aspire "to the highest office" in the land, leader by example, Gen. IW. Can you, sir! 

Iguade

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On Jan 14, 2017, at 7:09 PM, Ishola Williams <isholaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Prof,What stops you from aspiring to the highest office.Voting for somebody from abroad is different from being voted to an office since you have to come to be seen and heard.Please come home and contest and give our people options.

Many Non Residents have taken up and are still in political positions.Many have won and lost election in our country without voting rights.

Non-Resident citizens have the options of two countries to serve.Enjoying the best of two worlds.Therefore,you can make my dreams come true as in UK.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

""""Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together  to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.
I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me o""".........UNQUOTE Gen Ishola Williams!

AMEN! AMEN!! AMEN!!

Meanwhile, with these lofty dreams we all have, we're refusing or reluctant to create the national consciousness, citizenship and embracing spirit that would allow the average Nigeria anywhere in the country or world to aspire to any office he/she is qualified for anywhere in the country.

.....NAIJAs na wa ooo!

NIGERIANS in the Diaspora want the Diaspora Commission and Voting Bills passed ASAP; if not, No Diaspora Bond oooo! Haha! Take care. JUI

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 6:23 PM, 'ishola williams' via OkonkwoNetworks <okonkwonetworks@googlegroups. com> wrote:

 Prof sir,There are very few countries with "unconditional" votes for Non Residents.

For those who are interested please read the long essay by a Fordham University Author I circulated about 36 hours ago.
This paper is very clear about the rationale,conditions and criteria for voting.In addition,most countries look for cost-Effective way to do so.

For countries who donot have Non-Resident representation in their parliaments,the turnout is very low.Take South Africa, UK,Canada and New Zealand as examples to see the conditions etc

Moving on sir,western democracies sir are having problems with low voters turnout and looking for ways to get more young people to vote.It is the same in Africa and that is why stomach politics and monetary incentives are becoming a tradition.Scholars are looking for alternatives.Some countries make it obligatory  to vote as in Brazil and Australia.

Let me end with a Dream that between 2018 and 2022,the Non-Residents will come together  to get Nigerian-Americans elected into State Congresses in California, Texas,New York,Georgia,New Jersey and to the Capitol Hill in Washington DC.By 2024,a Nigerian-American will become a State Governor.

I will refuse to die until I attend the series of Inaugrations.iw na so I see am an na dream no be prohecy.Who is shaking? no be me o

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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 2:53 PM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Haha.....Pastor Joe! Do you honestly believe that Gen Williams answered the QUESTION with the scanty examples of Ghana and smaller countries he gave below when over a 110 countries still practice UNCONDITIONAL External Voting? Na wa ooo....haha! Have a Great weekend and take care. JUI 

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[ishola williams]

WI,I will be so happy if you can change the word antiquity to Reality ie poster child of reality.

My position can only be dismissed if you show examples that are contrary to my statements  made from experience gathered over two decades with the opportunities given to me after my military career.My statement has nothing to do with Feminism(eurocentrics) or Womanism ( Afrocentrics).

In short,you do not know what we are talking about as Mediation at that level is not everyday talking point because those who are involved really talk to the press.

Prof has given me lots of his love whatever,it means in american lingo. Learned CA has been posting irrelevant posters about UN women and Ms EJS who I know too as an ex-Member of the Board of PANAFSTRAG before she became President.

Like you always advise others,do not intervene in areas where you are not familiar but of course you can have an opinion.

Court!iw

 

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[Wilson Iguade]

Gen. IW,

I am on track with my ASPIRATIONS! If I need any encouragement or help with regards to my aspirations I will consult with you. The fact that I came to USA without papa and mama help, Circa 1980 when those leaving Nigeria at the time were almost all supported with their papa and or mama monies/connections should tell that I was born to aspire! Hehehehe!

My issue is good governance and my issue remains good governance, meaning those who are there right now, I mean right now needs to do their jobs as prescribed for in the guidelines or policies manuals, period!

Stop making excuses by telling people to come home. Come home to what? Come home to educated buffoons? Come home to incompetencies? Come home to what and do what given the environment of desperations gripping the society under your beloved Messiah and Prophet. Desperations to Survive, desperations to steal, kill, and deceive by any means necessary. The matter is those given opportunities to do the jobs need to do the DAMN job they say they can do. Simple!

Also, why don't you ask Buhari, who is your hero to sponsor you to NASS instead of your pipe dream with the Koch Brothers.  Btw: I have access to the Koch Brothers via my professional relationship with one of their Texas Attorneys I work for on litigation cases involving LAND Development. 

Stay blessed. Stay tuned ... 

Iguade

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Ishola:

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The fact that you served in the Nigerian army is automatic implication of intellectual rot.

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[HC Ade]

Yeye Rolling, l am sure no elder is left in your entire family‎, if any is left by chance, please consult him so that he can force it to that your dead brain that next time you want to address Major Gen (rtd) Ishola William, you must address him with courtesy except you are from the tribe we all know that uses kick-boxing to wake their father from sleep.

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[Anthony Momah]

Why should Diasporans have to vote pay to vote, did you miss the memo that in the first 9 months of last year diasporans remitted $ Billion to there relative, which helped the economy?  Please explain because i don't understand your logic it make no sense: you open a system to encourage change and invite dynamic people to inject new ideas and challenge the status quo.  We rain backwards because of stupid ideas like this..

 

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Subject: Re: [IgboWorldForum] Re: Voting abroad is every citizen's right : Why Not Nigerians, if Ghanaians, Equatorial Guinea, Beninois etc Can Vote Abroad?

Indeed JUI has yet to come up with the benefits. Those he listed below are laughable! Sorry JUI but that's pretty much it. I understand the frustration of not having "a say" in what goes on in Nigeria, (and not having much say in what goes on where we live!) Especially as we approach that critical time when a man asks: what really have I accomplished? What am I leaving behind?, etc of course such questions are rare among Africans! who typically believe that how many children and mansions they have constitute legacy. Nope!). As I noted earlier, we missed the opportunity to create a path for such. May not be late but I am afraid not even recognizing this at this point makes me wonder. Having a voting right is good but it will not do it. After all what have we done with the voting rights we have in USA, etc? Joe
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Date: Saturday, January 14, 2017, 12:18 PM

Dr JUI,All of the reasons

enumerated sound, em, spurious and academic. "Democracy
and patriotism promotion" how?
Let's let the people who wake up everyday
and wrestle with the realities of living in Nigeria vote in
Nigeria. Any Diasporan who wants to vote in Nigeria
elections should pay the equivalence of $500 voting tax per
election. If you miss even one payment, you lose that voting
right forever. That's how much I desire it.
 C. Ukachukwu"More relevant however is
that I have always found it despicable conduct when an
elected individual diverts the resources of the people over
whom he presides to carving out for himself a sinecure.
Self-service should not be read in the vocabulary of anyone
fortunate enough to be called to serve his or her
people."-- Professor Wole Soyinka
 

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2017 10:19 AM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com>

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If some of us did not read the following cogent reasons why
many countries practice External Voting, I'm reposting
it:
The broader significance of Voting

Abroad​ are​​ fundamental​, ​including national

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".........we've reduced it to mere tasks-dependent citizen-country responsibility and IGNORED the GREATER fundamental reasons for practicing voting abroad, including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad,  democracy and patriotism promotion,  and effective diplomatic or ambassadorial utility.".......JUI.

Afis comment: "National pride....citizens empowerment abroad, democracy and patriotism".........yadiyadiyada!

JUI is blowing hot Grammar once more. 

I thought Big Turenchi was "skin off our back" at the Latter Day Church of Lies in 2016 , like a Wharfsnake shedding its skin to grow anew for 2017?

JUI, please define "National pride". Tell us how Refugees summon all courage to be proud of a country that stole their Youths and normal Lives!

JUI, pls Define "Citizen empowerment abroad without social amenities at Home".

Who are you "empowering" abroad when those at Home-ground are less empowered and mostly disenfranchised?

Charity, like Patience, is a beautiful lady who needs Home nurturing first. It is how you nurture Lady Charity at Home that brings out her glows and pride and beauty to the outside world.

JUI, how is Nigeria's Lady Charity back home?

Has she been nurtured, and groomed and taken good care of?

I hope Lady Charity is not being Raped and Molested again by Mr. Change.

The last time Lady Charity came out so happy in 1999, she was bamboozled, molested, her youth Stallone, her vote stolen and she was publicly Deflowered.

Now comes a Fulani who grew up in a society where Lady Charity's flower is plucked at age 10.

JUI, go preach your "Citizen Empowerment" crapola from Home. 

Let poor and disenfranchised and raped Lady Charity at Home feels the impact of her government in a positive way, before you sell "empowerment" to those already "empowered" by their Diaspora-Hosts.

You crack Man-Afis up, bro.

You love big Turenchi Tales to St Nowhere.

Tomorrow you come back again and throw more big words, more Turenchi more self serving "all sides and no sides" words, but sounds good.......words that help no one and offend none. 

It is the quintessential Wu Wei philosophy, don't shake no tree, just go with all Flows.

To you guys that's how you get along.

That's how you stay in the "corrupt loop". 

JUI, you are becoming comical.

You are very smart, but you ain't fooling Afis.

Shikena

Afis

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On Jan 14, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gen Williams,
It appears some of us have essentially double-down on the broader significance of Voting Abroad; we've reduced it to mere tasks-dependent citizen-country responsibility and IGNORED the GREATER fundamental reasons for practicing voting abroad, including national pride and citizens empowerment abroad,  democracy and patriotism promotion,  and effective diplomatic or ambassadorial utility.
If you observe out there, collection of pittance from taxes is the last reason that industrialized nations and developing countries like Ghana, Senegal, Equatorial Guinea or Iraq are practicing Voting Abroad by non-resident citizens.
Take care. JUI

On Jan 13, 2017 4:20 PM, "'ishola williams' via OkonkwoNetworks" <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Citizens not only have rights but must also fulfill their responsibilities to the Country.

In cases of Permanent (or  long-term illegal) Residency/Dual Citizenship,there are deem to have  dual responsibilities especially in case of  living in a developed country like USA and in  Europe and developing one like Nigeria.The tendency is to be more responsible in a developed country for well-known reasons.

Are the remittances by individuals with the above status,a fulfillment of reponsibilities to the country or the extended families and communities?If the answer is yes,is that enough to earn voting rights?How do other millions without families abroad benefit from these remittances? We also know that many do not earn enough to remit a cent while others have not lost contact with friends and extended Families and they do not care.Those with Businesses in the country are in a separate entity.

What about the costs of external voting? Who will pay when presently,INEC spends about 700million Naira for on average for each state Guber elections within the country?Will INEC need to send Commissioners abroad with staff or allow the Ambassador appointed by the party in power supervise the elections or remote Voting?

It is obvious to all of us that the Parties who have the Resources will need forex for campaigns abroad or will their supporters abroad cover the costs and even sponsor candidates at home with their own contributions like US Super Pacs.

It will be interesting to read the attached long essay because the next step is to ask for Representation at NASS.

At the end of the day,what are extra  benefits that we can get from Non-Resident voting and Representation as already there is Mr Gbajabiamila who can be said to be a Non-Resident Representative.iw for shaking  for  voting with responsibility to country and community through 2% tax on remittances.

 

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On Friday, January 13, 2017 3:05 PM, 'Afis Deinde' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Those who want voting abroad may find themselves the losers at the mercy of ANY ruling cabal. Abroad votes may become sources of sure-votes for ANY ruling party.
Shikena 

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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On Jan 13, 2017, at 1:18 AM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Table and Refs below show the list of countries [big, small or raggedy] that practice voting abroad. The Billion Dollar Question is: Why Not Nigeria? Besides, if the Nigerian Diaspora Community is so resourceful and able to be the target of Govt Bond, why is enfranchisement a problem?

In the apt words of Joseph Mayton, in his Guardian article: “”Voting abroad is every citizen's right”” [see full-text below], ”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””…….Unquote! Take care. JUI

 

Countries and territories with current provisions for external voting

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There are various known cases (E.g. parliamentary and presidential elections in Ghana in 2008) where, despite there being some kind of constitutional or legal provisions making voting from abroad possible, it has not materialized due to the lack of the political, legislative, financial or administrative agreement required for it to be regulated or organized. This provides evidence of the increasing relevance of external voting on the political and electoral agenda in several regions of the world, as well as of the polemics involved in debates on its relevance and feasibility and the varied complexities of decision making.

 

Countries where external voting provisions exist but are still to be implemented

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Voting abroad is every citizen's right

“”By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.””

Joseph Mayton [From refugees to those on business overseas, all expats should have the chance to engage with their democracy at election time.  A British citizen living overseas chats to a Conservatives Abroad worker registering voters for the 2010 general election in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: Jasper Juinen/Getty]

Theguardian - Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT First published on Wednesday 21 July 2010 06.30 EDT

As someone who has voted while living outside my native country, I find it disconcerting that around 100 countries worldwide don’t allow their citizens this same right. Unsurprisingly, a vast majority of those that bar citizens from casting a ballot are developing countries, including Morocco, Egypt, Turkey, Armenia and Botswana. It needs to change.

It’s not difficult to see why some countries don’t allow citizens residing abroad to vote. Lebanon, for example, has some 12 million citizens living outside the country compared with only around 4 million inside – so in theory absentee voters could determine the outcome of any election. Meanwhile in Egypt, where one party has ruled for three decades, it’s widely believed that citizens living abroad would be less likely to support the status quo.

That aside, though, there is an important principle at stake: all citizens should have equal rights, regardless of where they happen to be at election time. Maria Gratschew, co-author of a handbook, Voting from Abroad, argues that “external voting is highly relevant to the many people who are travelling or working around the globe”. It is also pertinent, she writes, for “refugees and others who may be forced to live outside their country of origin due to political circumstances and who wish to participate in any democratic transition from authoritarian rule or violent conflict”.

A case in point is Sudan, where a referendum on north-south separation is due to be held next year. The question of external voting is extremely relevant, especially considering the UNCHR’s statistics of hundreds of thousands of southern Sudanese currently residing outside the country due to fears of violence if they return. By having a chance to vote, the refugees and those in exile would be able to play a direct role in the future of their native land.

Elsewhere, Turkey is in the middle of drafting new legislation that will allow any citizen living abroad to cast a vote. This follows a ruling by the European court of human rights ruled that forcing people to travel long distances to vote is a violation of the European convention on human rights. In today’s globalised world, where millions of people live outside their country of origin, it makes sense to allow them to vote from wherever they happen to be. Think of it this way. As a citizen of any of the 115 or so countries that allow people to vote from abroad, what would be your reaction if you weren’t given the opportunity to cast a ballot? It would be angering, frustrating and confusing. You would feel deprived of a say in your country’s future.

Mexico, Iraq and Mali are countries that have in the past few years allowed citizens living abroad to vote – and this highlights a further difficulty. It cost Mexico about $27m and the first Iraqi experience of external voting ended up costing about $92m, according to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. That’s a price that many countries simply cannot afford.

Giving citizens the opportunity to vote, wherever they may be living, can have positive results that go beyond participation in choosing their leaders. It results in more direct association and belief in their native country.

Here in Cairo, Egyptians living abroad have been demanding the chance to cast ballots, with those residing in the US being the most vocal. While they undoubtedly want a chance to vote against the ruling National Democratic party – which, for the past 30 years has shown an unwillingness to support its people politically, socially and economically – there is a caveat that must be heard, and one that transcends the Egyptian situation.

By giving the right to vote to citizens living abroad, countries will soon discover that it means the betterment of society on all levels: economic, social and political. As Mexico and Iraq learned, by casting a ballot citizens began to seek out a means to better their native countries. This is a lesson we all should learn, because by voting, we show our ability and willingness to participate in more than a single vote: it can be a moment that enables citizens to take action for their native societies.

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Afis:

It is interesting but unnecessary to be re-litigating this issue of Diaspora Voting in Nigeria in cyber-space, when in fact it has been litigated in the judicial courts in Nigeria as far back as 2009.  Here is a report:

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http://ngex.com/news/public/article.php?ArticleID=1141

Nigerian Federal Court Orders INEC to Allow Nigerians Abroad to Vote

Author: Mobolaji E. Aluko | January 28, 2009

On May 25, 2007, Nigerians living abroad led by Hon. Hakeem Bello, Professor Bolaji Aluko, Dr. Baba Adam, Mr Uzoma Onyemaechi, Prof. Isa Odidi and fifteen others (see attached plaintiffs' list) approached the Federal High court sitting in Abuja, in a class-action suit no: FHC/ABJ/CS/370/2007 wherein they sought the following reliefs: 

!.  A declaration that the plaintiffs are entitled to participate in the government of Nigeria by voting for candidates of their choice pursuant to Article 13(1) of the African Charter on Human and People's Rights (Ratification and Enforcement Act) (Cap 10) Laws of the Federation of Nigeria, 1990. 

2.  A declaration that the plaintiffs are qualified for registration as voters by virtue of Section 13(1)(c) of the Electoral Act 2006 and Sections 77(2), 117(2), 132(5) and 178(5) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999. 

3.  An order directing the defendants to set up registration centers and polling stations of the Federal Republic of Nigeria in all High Commissions And Embassies of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. 

The plaintiffs' counsel, Mr Femi Falana submitted that by the combined effect of the Article 13 of the African Charter on Human and People's Rights, Section 77 of the Nigerian Constitution 1999 and Section 13 of the Electoral act 2006, Nigerians who are 18 years and above, living overseas are legally qualified to vote for candidates of their choice in any election conducted in Nigeria. Apart from the several local and foreign authorities cited by Mr Falana, he exhibited a list of member states of the United Nations including 15 African countries that have recognized external voting by their nationals. 

In their vehement opposition to the suit, the Attorney-General and Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) through their counsels, Messrs Nelson Anih and Chris Erhabor, submitted that the Nigerian Embassies and High Commissions cannot be used for voting as they do not form part of the constituencies under which elections could be held in Nigeria. They further contended that they have not prevented Nigerians living abroad from traveling home to participate in the electoral process. 

In his considered judgment, delivered on 18th December 2008, Justice Adamu Bello held that since Nigerians living abroad have convinced the court that they are entitled to vote and be voted for, it is the constitutional responsibility of INEC to put in place the "relevant machinery to assist the plaintiffs to vote from abroad." While agreeing with INEC that there is no provision for external voting in the law, the Judge stated that "the time is ripe for Nigeria to give its citizens living abroad the opportunity to register and vote from abroad in any election in Nigeria without having to travel for that purpose." Consequently, the Court directed INEC to "approach the National Assembly by sponsoring a bill for the sake of Nigerians in Diaspora and in doing so, it can borrow a leaf from the countries that have already adopted the external voting." 

In his reaction to the judgment, Mr Femi Falana commended Justice Bello for his incisive and progressive decision which has challenged the Nigerian government to join the comity of democratic nations by recognizing the rights and privileges of our citizens abroad to participate in the government of their country. 

Nigeria Diaspora Voting Class Action Suit  Plaintiffs' 

List S/N Name City & Country of Residence State of Origin in Nigeria 

1. Hon. Akeem Bello Chapel Hill, NC, USA Ogun 

2. Prof. Bolaji Aluko Burtonsville, MD,USA Ekiti 

3. Dr. Baba M. Adam Prescott, AZ, USA Borno 

4. Mr. Uzoma Onyemaechi Taylor, MI, USA Imo 

5. Prof. Isa Odidi Toronto, Canada Kano 

6. Dr. Emmanuel Dada Princeton, NJ, USA Ekiti 

7. Mr. Segun Ajibulu Raleigh, NC, USA Ekiti 

8. Mr. Surajudeen Seriki Houston, TX, USA Ogun 

9. Ms. Zainabu N. Sheni Silver Spring, MD, USA Plateau 

10. Prof. Adeoye Akinsanya Austell, GA, USA Ogun 

11. Mr. Uzoma C. Obi York, PA, USA Imo 

12. Oloye Lekan Awojoodu Burtonsville, MD, USA Osun 

13. Prince Stephen T. Malu Gainesville, FL, USA Benue 

14. Mr. Victor O.A. Adewusi East Providence, RI, USA Ekiti 

15. Mr. Kolawole E. Silva-Ope Dallas, TX, USA Lagos 

16. Mr. Alex Ike Okeke Baltimore, MD, USA Anambra 

17. Sir Tony Nammor Bladensburg, MD, USA Delta 

18. Dr. Yemi Oke Toronto, Canada Ogun 

19. Mr. Ochi C. Ogbuaku, II Ajman, United Arab Emirates (UAE) Abia 

20. Dr. (Mrs.) Oluremi Ajibewa Gravesend, Kent, UK Ondo 

For more information, please contact Ms. Thelma Horton (NDERG Executive Director) Thelmaho...@yahoo.com 919-636-5958 Nigerian Diaspora Electoral Reform Group NDERG 

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 I was even thinner then:

Hakeem Bello, Femi Falana, Bolaji Aluko (July 2007)

Since then, both INEC and the National Assembly have accepted the notion of Diaspora Voting in situ - that is where they reside, properly called External Voting - and are merely working cooperatively towards mechanisms to put it in place in a credible manner.  Amendments in INEC law which will (among many other things) enable eligible Nigerian Diasporans to register and vote abroad are winding their way through the National Assembly as we write (Senate Bills 231: a Bill for an Act to Amend the Electoral Act, No. 6, 2010 and for other matters connected therewith  (Senator Tijjani Y. Kaura - Zamfara North)).  [Note that the Nigerian in Diaspora Commission Bill is SB 230 (in Senate) and HB 160 (in House of Representatives).

Just like voting within Nigeria is not currently mandatory, voting abroad (external voting) will also NOT be mandatory.  So those who do not wish to avail themselves of that external voting right, including those "Nigerians" who for various reasons do not consider themselves Nigerians (but merely carry Nigerian passports for convenience) will be free to opt out.

I simply do not understand so much venting on this litigated matter.

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[afis 'Deinde]

The lawsuit in my opinion is only symbolic. Since 2007, did INEC  abide by the court decision?

Nigeria is a country where the govt seldom obey court orders.

Diaspora Voting is just symbolic, won't help to solve any real issues.

And the Diaspora Bond?

If since 2007, INEC has not provide materials and venues for people in Diaspora to vote, in case of fraud, how are we sure those who may loot the fund will face the court, be prosecuted, found guilty and loot recovered?

Just today I read the presidency is "ordering" courts to adjudicate fraud cases in their courts soonest.

First, there's separation or powers. 

Second in a civilized country, can the presidency order the courts to do their jobs?

Shikena 

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[Joseph Igietseme]

JUI will IGNORE Afis' yabis and FOCUS on exploring how to enforce the Court Order of 2009. Thanks VC-B for drawing attention to this IMPORTANT court judgement achieved by patriotic Nigerians that include Isa Odidi, Bolaji Aluko, Hakeem Bello, Femi Falana et al.

JUI thinks our undivided attention should now be FOCUSED on how to ENFORCE this court judgement. Now, where are the "jurists" here: Nebu Adiele, Dr Idowu, Dr Segun, Barrister Ayo, etc etc. We need to develop a strategy to enforce this court judgement. 

As VC Bolaji said, ""Just like voting within Nigeria is not currently mandatory, voting abroad (external voting) will also NOT be mandatory.  So those who do not wish to avail themselves of that external voting right, including those "Nigerians" who for various reasons do not consider themselves Nigerians (but merely carry Nigerian passports for convenience) will be free to opt out.""

Take care. JUI

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

JUI:

We don't need to do anything to enforce the ruling....legislation is moving forward on it.  We would have wished it to be faster, but it is going on anyway...

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Dear VC Aluko,

As we may all recollect, the Diaspora Commission and Voting bills were initiated over 15 years ago; and that was shortly after the famed OBJ's Diaspora Dialogue of 2000; and the establishment of the blue-prints for NIDO by Ambassador Jubril Aminu in 2001!

However, we're still discussing the passage of the Diaspora bills in 2017! Haha...!! Anyway sha, when VC-B tells me that something is cooking, I'll believe him because, first, he walks his talks; he has Diaspora interest in heart and mind, having been in the trenches of the Nigerian Diaspora Community efforts, especially in the Americas; and importantly, he's a TRUE NIGERIAN!

Now, time-wise, how do we handle this Diaspora bond issue vis-a-vis the pending and lingering Diaspora bills at the NASS? To JUI, the Nigerian Govt should make the effort to pass the Diaspora Commission & Voting bills into laws first before embarking on this Diaspora bond scheme. Or at least implement the initiatives in pari-pasu!

Why? These citizens empowerment laws should have been no brainer in a country like Nigeria, boasting of a dynamically robust, resourceful & willing Diaspora Community. And the Nigerian Govts at all levels know this disposition of the Diaspora Community. They're gong-ho about Diaspora bond while the Diaspora Commission & Voting bills that were conceived over 15 years ago during the Obasanjo administration are still floating aimlessly in the air!

The benefits of the Diaspora Commission & Voting laws cannot be over-emphasized & this is why several industrialized countries & even raggedy fledgling countries practice them around the world.
Take care. JUI 

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

JUI:

First, thanks for your kind words...most appreciated.

With respect to the External Voting initiative,  change - particularly those backed by legislation - often don't come easy, and the sixteen-year, eight-year wait, etc. for this Diaspora vote can be quite frustrating.  But be rest assured that sooner or later it will happen, either from the ongoing legislation in the Naitonal Assembly, or possibly as part of an omnibus initiative of former Senator Nnamani's Electoral Reform

                       http://thenationonlineng.net/uwais-nnamani-electoral-reform/

With respect to the Diaspora Bond, it will be issued either in March, or if there is a delay, by the end of the year, but almost certainly before the Diaspora Commission or Diaspora Voting issues.

Here is an excerpt from a September 2015 letter by President Buhari to House Speaker Dogara:

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http://www.nassnig.org/document/download/7678

The Honourable Speaker may wish to recall that the Federal Government in its efforts to mobilize capital to finance critical infrastructure while diversifying its [unding sources and encouraging the Nigerian Diaspora to contribute to the development of the economv through investment ill capital projects in prioritv sectors o] the economy, sought and obtained the approval ofthe National Assembly (NASS) in March, 2013 to issue a USD 100 million Diaspore Bond to Nigerians in Diaspora (A copv of the Resolution of the NASS for this purpose is attached as Appendix I).

2.  In furtherance of this development and in conformitv with the taw, {he former President approved and submitted a request to the two Chambers of the he !\lASS' in December 2013 for an increase in the issuance amount [rom USD 100 million to USD300 miIlion iAppendix II). For emphasis, (he request 10 the NASS was ill line with Section 21 (I) ofthe Debt Management Offic« iEstublishment, etc.i Act. 2003, which states that "No external loun shall be approved or obtained by the Minister unless its terms and conditions shall have been laid before the National Assembly and approved by its resolution ". for its approval. 

3.  I have been informed that while the Senate of the 7th NASS approved the request of the former President to increase the amount to be issued to USD300 million, the House of Representatives could not concur before the close of the 7th NASS.   That rendered the process incomplete as the law requires approval of both Houses for the process to take off

4.The reasons for the request to increase the Issuance amount to USD300 million which were earlier conveyed to the 7th NASS are as follows: 

(i) the huge amount of capital needed to bridge the infrastructurai gap thereby supporting growth and development; 

(ii) The need to optimize the cost of Issuance relative to the amount proposed to be raised, since some costs, such as Marketing Expenses, Fees to some Transaction Parties and the preparation of Prospectus will be the same, regardless of the amount issued: and 

(iii) the high interest being shown by the Nigerian Diaspora in the proposed Bond. 

5. The Honourable Speaker may wish to note that without the Resolution authorizing the increase in the proposed Issuance to USD300 million, Nigeria would be constrained by our own laws and the requirements of International Capital Market (including the regulations of the United States' Securities and Exchange commission) to issue only USD 100 million. 

6. The purposes of this letter, therefore, is to request approval of the House of Representatives to increase the amount proposed to be raised through the Diaspora Bond from USD 100 million to a maximum of USD300 million. 

7. Please, accept Mr Speaker, the assurances of my highest consideration. 

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So you can see that it is just a matter of time.

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Thanks VC-B for the updates on these Diaspora initiatives! Yea.......a matter of TIME!!

Let's hope REASONABLE TIME will produce the 3 Diaspora initiatives/items [Commision bill, Voting Bill & Bond], so that we see them in our lifetime. AMEN! Haha!!

Take care. JUI

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[ishola williams]

You are right sir and that is why we are called Zombie.This is why Oversmart people like you did not join.

What a loss to the country.

Before I forget sir,who wants a YeYe person in any organisation or Institution.

Please accept a salute from a Zombie who can read and write to get along.

Ishola Williams

MajGenrtd with a clean chip on a clean shoulder and remember no shaking.iw

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