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Pete:

I think those who picked Ike Nwachukwu owed us some explanation. Quite honestly the soul of my uncle and others who died in the Biafra conflict is definitely not at rest when someone like Ike Nwachukwu can lead Ndi Igbo in this conference. 

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Subject: [imostatecongress] Re: [Anambra-WorldForum] Re: [IgboWorldForum] Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [Naijaintellects] This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu


 

Nebu, Onyema's is blood curling Just read it.

Boy! how ugly and dirty would I feel now, had I worked for this man. Yes, I had choice of places to work soon after the 1984 coup, and going to Imo to assist this man was one.

It had been my dream to live in my village and commute to work in Owerri. But this time, when the choice was offered me, plum it was, the dream never crossed my mind. Thank God it did not, I would have lived to regret it..

Ogbuonyeiro



On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:55 PM, peter opara <ogbuo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Achuzia should have been the one leading this delegation.

Igbo folks involved in making the choice really have to explain why Ike Nwachukwu was their choice. 

The man's history leaves so much to be desired to qualify him to lead Igbo in anything, under any circumstances. The man fought his supposed father's people for chrissakes, and had no qualms doing away with his supposed father's people he encountered, even a kid he encountered in Asaba. This was shared with me privately hereabouts.

I mean Ike Nwachukwu's uncle Hassan Katsina who I thought was the most wicked man walking the earth during his time, turned out a kinder person. Yes. One of three Alabi Isama's strategies to end the war involved scorched earth air, land and sea assault into core Igbo land. Hassan as chief of Nigerian army turned down the scorched earth strategy outright.

From all we know of Ike Nwachukwu at that time he would not have had any qualms buying the scorched earth strategy had he been in his uncle's position.

Of course Obasanjo went for the scorched earth strategy first because he was clueless about war and strategies, and second and most critically because even at that time Obasanjo was Igbo Enemy Numero Uno, and remains so to this day.

Folks here know how most Igbo flock behind the derriere of every Igbo hater, Obasanjo being one. Obasanjo sends the Uba's to incinerate Anambara, and the Ubas obeyed; some Imo State  legislator swore to kill himself should Obasanjo be refused to run a third time; the Imo governor called Ohakim invites Obasanjo to come help him convince Imo people to retain him in office.

I have always said Igbo are the worst, the most useless things ever in politics. Thus Ike Nwachukwu leads them to a political talk-shop.

It is a pity.

Ogbuonyeiro


On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:14 PM, "bizo...@yahoo.com" <bizo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Odikwaegwu biko nu. Who chose this man to represent Igbo?
EUO

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Subject: Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [Naijaintellects] This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:43:35 PM

Ike Nwachukwu must never be included in anything that is remotely or outright representative of Igbo. The man is a despicable son of a skunk whose disdain for Ndi Igbo knows no bounds. It is an insult on Igbo that he is to lead Igbo's delegation to this so-called conference. Tufiakwa!
 
Onyema Uche is accurate in almost everything he said about Omar Sanda (not Fanda). Not only was this buffoonish brute a pathetic participant in the summary execution of Igbo men in Asaba during the war, he also governed old Imo state with brutality and disdain reserved for slaves and conquered people.
 
Ike Nwachukwu did not only retard progress and reverse most accomplishments in old Imo state, he also treated the people with disrespect and cruelty. The first disrespectful act carried out by Ike Nwachukwu, upon becoming an appointed military governor of old Imo state in 1984, was his reversal of a law that removed the shameful vestiges of colonialism from our people's faces. Under the governorship of Dee Sam Mbakwe, the state legislature had passed a law that made it possible for Mbakwe to rename streets named after racists colonial officials in Old Imo. Ike Nwachukwu, with an executive order that conveyed his perception of Igbos as slaves, voided that law and reverted some streets to their colonial names. Thus streets like Douglas Road, Wetheral Road, Tetlow, etc, returned (and have remained so shamefully named till date).
 
To demonstrate his accursed damnation of Igbo people, he decided that the sin of any Igbo must be visited upon and held against his village. To accomplish that, he decreed that the execution of armed robbers must be carried out in the armed robber's village and his villagers charged with the cost of carrying out the execution (the impoverished villagers were billed for bullets, time spent on the salary of the security personnel who carried out the execution, etc.). To show that he was serious, he executed a reputed armed robber named "Nwa Lawyer" in his home town of Mabise.
 
Not only did Ike Nwachulwu bill Mbaise people for the cost of the execution, he also forced them to troop out and watch the execution live. What made his action so unjust and vexatious to Mbaise people was that Nwa Lawyer had never been to Mbaise since the late 1960s because Mbaise people had put him on a wanted list and would have executed him had they caught him. In addition, Nwa Lawyer's father (Nwobani), was a notorious and fearsome thief who was executed by Mabise people in 1970. Right after the civil war, Mbaise people instituted ndi nche (vigilantism) and from then until about 1990, there was never an incident of armed robbery or criminal activities in any part of Mbaise where the ndi nche operated. In simple English, Ike Nwachukwu humiliated Mbaise people for a situation they had taken care of while he was massacring Igbo people in the name of preserving one Nigeria.
 
Omar Sanda Ike Nwachukwu's  accomplishment as governor of Imo state is nothing to absolute nothing. He treated Igbo people as prisoners and slaves, he retarded the progress Igbo people made after the war, especially during the civilian era. He was so reviled by the people of Imo state that they mocking called him Iko (concubine) Nwachukwu -- a derisive allusion to his bastardy. Ike Nwachukwu is not an Igbo leader, he is a war criminal who should be readied for the International Criminal Court. His crimes against humanity are indisputable and easily provable. His appointment as a member of a national conference capable of piloting Nigeria positively is evidence enough that the conference is doomed to fail. To have named him a leader of Igbo's delegates to a conference that should decide the fate of Nigeria simply means that Igbo's opinion is not wanted, for Ike Nwachukwu will supplant Igbo's agenda with those of his maternal home's folks, to who he owes allegiance.
 
Ike Nwachuklw should be thrown out of the conference delegation list. If doing so is too late now, then under no circumstance must he be there as representing anything Igbo. 
 

Nebukadineze Adiele
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In a message dated 3/14/2014 3:49:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bizo...@yahoo.com writes:
 
Ike Nwachukwu is a Major General.
Moving on ,so we now have a sleeping SGF and someone who grew up a Northerner leading Ndigbo.Now tell me who is to blame now?

 
Mazi  Obi
Eziokwu bu Ndu
 (Croo-maat!) 
"whatsoever
thou resolvest to do,do it now. Defer not till the evening what
the morning can accomplish"(Unto thee I grant the economy of life,1978).






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Subject: [Naijaintellects] This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu

This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu

Written by Onyema Uche
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I am writing this as personal reflection on the life of this man, Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu, as we come to know him. Who is he before and during the war? He is Lt Omar Fanda of the Nigerian army, born and raised in the North, and currently married to a Hausa woman. He had an Igbo father and Hausa mother.
During the civil war Omar Fanda was a lieutenant at the break of Nzeogwu's coup. He was moved to army head quarters provosts, and later moved to join Lt Col. Muritala Muhamed's division after Banjo invasion. There he became a company commander. He commanded company battalion all through Ore road and confrontations to the banks of Niger to Onisha. Not only that he fought against his kin, Omar Fanda commanded the battalion that massacred 3000 civilians who came out to sing one Nigeria. He in company with Muritala Muhamed massacred civilians during the war time. This makes him a war criminal.
Under Buhari and Idiagbo's government, he was sent as a military governor of old Imo state. It is imperative that we understand his legacies as a governor. This man we came to know as Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu came solely to stop progress in Imo state as the military junta were surprised at the progress Ndi Igbo under 4 years made in Anambara and Imo states then.
It was Ike Nwachukwu who stopped rural electrification projects in Imo state. It was him that stopped and changed the original plan of Imo state airport as international airport. It was Ike Nwachukwu who initiated the disaster we experience in Aba today. Under de Sam Onunaka Mbakwe, Ndiegoro drainage project was in top gear to control floading in Aba. It was a gigantic project. Ike Nwachukwu stopped it and till date that project was never re visited. Aba flooding today would have been taken care of if he had completed that project.
Mbakwe built industries in all the local governments in the state to alleviate unemployment problems then. Those industries were sold under privatization edit, and Ike Nwachukwu bought most of them. Avutu farm projected to penetrate international market was producing eggs and chicken that was feeding the entire old Imo state. Ike Nwachukwu stopped it. Today that farm site is a jungle. The zenith paint industry located in Mbaise was bought by Ike Nwachukwu.
Under Mbakwe, there was rural pipe born water designed to supply clean water to all the autonomous communities in the state. Under this project, my village received clean water for the first time and they stopped going to fetch water 90miles from the stream. The company responsible for this is Hydro tech. When Ike Nwachukwu became the governor he did not only stop the project he also removed laid pipes and sold the equipments.
He also underdeveloped owerri urban and destroyed the structures and original plans for owerri development hence making it possible for looters to feast on our misery. Remember Oslo? Have you wondered what happened to that company that was responsible for keeping Imo state urban centers clean? It was stopped and the trucks were sold to foreign companies. How about Amaraku power station? Ike Nwachukwu stopped its operation and privatized it which Onyearugbulem completed by selling it to another foreign company.
The Owerri international market under construction before the coup of Buhari, located at owerri Egbu road near mechanic village, adjacent to Trans Egbu estate was also stopped by Ike Nwachukwu.
Now that facts are emerging on the war time criminals, it would be fair for him to come open and clean and apologize to Ndi Igbo and be our witness against the other criminals. He looks like us but in fact is not one of us. Who would tell him that we did not forget his sins against us? he should be humble enough to come and apologize.
Ndi Igbo should start asking this man questions. He is getting old and we cannot allow him to die without apologizing to us. He has our blood in his hands. He killed our children and took part in the rape of our daughters. If he did not apologize he would not go to his grave
without tears in his eyes.
 
Mazi Odera
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Do internet biafrans want to claim to know better than their uncles, aunties, fathers and mothers that made General Ike Nwachukwu the leader of South East delegation to the National Conference? I have told them many times that they don't represent Ndigbo. The generality of Ndigbo knows that the civil war ended decades ago. Ndigbo will not be fully integrated in Nigeria until people like Ike Nwachukwu is begged to help Ndigbo with reintegration. That is what is happening but the internet biafrans are not smart enough to understand. Just as they did not understand Ojukwu's counsel that they should accept that the war was over.
 
When Ike Nwachukwu is still able, Ndigbo better consider him as a presidential candidate in one of the mainstream political parties (not the provincial APGA). There should be no complaint of another Yoruba in Aso Rock before an Igbo if Ndigbo will not put forward an acceptable (to other Nigerians) Ndigbo. A word is enough for the wise!
 
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As a matter of principle, any group of delegates to the National Conference should have the right to unanimously choose who leads them.

The credentials and activities of Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu so listed below by people who knew him give cause for concern. Those who chose him have a duty to explain to Ndigbo their reasons for his choice.

It is difficult to understand why it concerns Mr Ayo Ojutalayo who the Igbos choose to lead them. It is entirely their prerogative to do so and should not be a subject of discussion except among Ndigbo themselves. 

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu

Do internet biafrans want to claim to know better than their uncles, aunties, fathers and mothers that made General Ike Nwachukwu the leader of South East delegation to the National Conference? I have told them many times that they don't represent Ndigbo. The generality of Ndigbo knows that the civil war ended decades ago. Ndigbo will not be fully integrated in Nigeria until people like Ike Nwachukwu is begged to help Ndigbo with reintegration. That is what is happening but the internet biafrans are not smart enough to understand. Just as they did not understand Ojukwu's counsel that they should accept that the war was over.
 
When Ike Nwachukwu is still able, Ndigbo better consider him as a presidential candidate in one of the mainstream political parties (not the provincial APGA). There should be no complaint of another Yoruba in Aso Rock before an Igbo if Ndigbo will not put forward an acceptable (to other Nigerians) Ndigbo. A word is enough for the wise!
 
Ayo Ojutalayo
On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:41 PM, vincentotuonye <vincent...@msn.com> wrote:
Pete:

I think those who picked Ike Nwachukwu owed us some explanation. Quite honestly the soul of my uncle and others who died in the Biafra conflict is definitely not at rest when someone like Ike Nwachukwu can lead Ndi Igbo in this conference. 

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye


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Subject: [imostatecongress] Re: [Anambra-WorldForum] Re: [IgboWorldForum] Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [Naijaintellects] This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu


 
Nebu, Onyema's is blood curling Just read it.

Boy! how ugly and dirty would I feel now, had I worked for this man. Yes, I had choice of places to work soon after the 1984 coup, and going to Imo to assist this man was one.

It had been my dream to live in my village and commute to work in Owerri. But this time, when the choice was offered me, plum it was, the dream never crossed my mind. Thank God it did not, I would have lived to regret it..

Ogbuonyeiro

On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:55 PM, peter opara <ogbuo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Achuzia should have been the one leading this delegation.

Igbo folks involved in making the choice really have to explain why Ike Nwachukwu was their choice. 

The man's history leaves so much to be desired to qualify him to lead Igbo in anything, under any circumstances. The man fought his supposed father's people for chrissakes, and had no qualms doing away with his supposed father's people he encountered, even a kid he encountered in Asaba. This was shared with me privately hereabouts.

I mean Ike Nwachukwu's uncle Hassan Katsina who I thought was the most wicked man walking the earth during his time, turned out a kinder person.. Yes. One of three Alabi Isama's strategies to end the war involved scorched earth air, land and sea assault into core Igbo land. Hassan as chief of Nigerian army turned down the scorched earth strategy outright.

From all we know of Ike Nwachukwu at that time he would not have had any qualms buying the scorched earth strategy had he been in his uncle's position.

Of course Obasanjo went for the scorched earth strategy first because he was clueless about war and strategies, and second and most critically because even at that time Obasanjo was Igbo Enemy Numero Uno, and remains so to this day.

Folks here know how most Igbo flock behind the derriere of every Igbo hater, Obasanjo being one. Obasanjo sends the Uba's to incinerate Anambara, and the Ubas obeyed; some Imo State  legislator swore to kill himself should Obasanjo be refused to run a third time; the Imo governor called Ohakim invites Obasanjo to come help him convince Imo people to retain him in office.

I have always said Igbo are the worst, the most useless things ever in politics. Thus Ike Nwachukwu leads them to a political talk-shop.

It is a pity.

Ogbuonyeiro
On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:14 PM, "bizo...@yahoo.com" <bizo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Odikwaegwu biko nu. Who chose this man to represent Igbo?
EUO
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Subject: Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [Naijaintellects] This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:43:35 PM

Ike Nwachukwu must never be included in anything that is remotely or outright representative of Igbo. The man is a despicable son of a skunk whose disdain for Ndi Igbo knows no bounds. It is an insult on Igbo that he is to lead Igbo's delegation to this so-called conference. Tufiakwa!
 
Onyema Uche is accurate in almost everything he said about Omar Sanda (not Fanda). Not only was this buffoonish brute a pathetic participant in the summary execution of Igbo men in Asaba during the war, he also governed old Imo state with brutality and disdain reserved for slaves and conquered people.
 
Ike Nwachukwu did not only retard progress and reverse most accomplishments in old Imo state, he also treated the people with disrespect and cruelty. The first disrespectful act carried out by Ike Nwachukwu, upon becoming an appointed military governor of old Imo state in 1984, was his reversal of a law that removed the shameful vestiges of colonialism from our people's faces. Under the governorship of Dee Sam Mbakwe, the state legislature had passed a law that made it possible for Mbakwe to rename streets named after racists colonial officials in Old Imo. Ike Nwachukwu, with an executive order that conveyed his perception of Igbos as slaves, voided that law and reverted some streets to their colonial names. Thus streets like Douglas Road, Wetheral Road, Tetlow, etc, returned (and have remained so shamefully named till date).
 
To demonstrate his accursed damnation of Igbo people, he decided that the sin of any Igbo must be visited upon and held against his village. To accomplish that, he decreed that the execution of armed robbers must be carried out in the armed robber's village and his villagers charged with the cost of carrying out the execution (the impoverished villagers were billed for bullets, time spent on the salary of the security personnel who carried out the execution, etc.). To show that he was serious, he executed a reputed armed robber named "Nwa Lawyer" in his home town of Mabise.
 
Not only did Ike Nwachulwu bill Mbaise people for the cost of the execution, he also forced them to troop out and watch the execution live. What made his action so unjust and vexatious to Mbaise people was that Nwa Lawyer had never been to Mbaise since the late 1960s because Mbaise people had put him on a wanted list and would have executed him had they caught him. In addition, Nwa Lawyer's father (Nwobani), was a notorious and fearsome thief who was executed by Mabise people in 1970. Right after the civil war, Mbaise people instituted ndi nche (vigilantism) and from then until about 1990, there was never an incident of armed robbery or criminal activities in any part of Mbaise where the ndi nche operated. In simple English, Ike Nwachukwu humiliated Mbaise people for a situation they had taken care of while he was massacring Igbo people in the name of preserving one Nigeria.
 
Omar Sanda Ike Nwachukwu's  accomplishment as governor of Imo state is nothing to absolute nothing. He treated Igbo people as prisoners and slaves, he retarded the progress Igbo people made after the war, especially during the civilian era. He was so reviled by the people of Imo state that they mocking called him Iko (concubine) Nwachukwu -- a derisive allusion to his bastardy. Ike Nwachukwu is not an Igbo leader, he is a war criminal who should be readied for the International Criminal Court. His crimes against humanity are indisputable and easily provable. His appointment as a member of a national conference capable of piloting Nigeria positively is evidence enough that the conference is doomed to fail. To have named him a leader of Igbo's delegates to a conference that should decide the fate of Nigeria simply means that Igbo's opinion is not wanted, for Ike Nwachukwu will supplant Igbo's agenda with those of his maternal home's folks, to who he owes allegiance.
 
Ike Nwachuklw should be thrown out of the conference delegation list. If doing so is too late now, then under no circumstance must he be there as representing anything Igbo. 
 

Nebukadineze Adiele
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Ayo Ojutalayo

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Eddie,

The Igbos chose General Ike Nwachukwu. Why it concerns me is that the man is being bad-mouthed on a forum I subscribe to thereby giving the impression that those who appointed him to lead South East delegation are foolish. If you don't want non-Igbos to participate in a discussion, then limit the discussion to Igbo fora.

Ayo Ojutalayo



EDWIN OZUMBA

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Thank you, Ayo.

I don't know Brig Ike Nwachukwu, but for such a large number of people who know him very well to be writing, giving reference to hard facts concerning his activities, I think it is rather hypocritical to term it bad-mouthing. If I were in your shoes I would investigate the stated facts from other sources close to the areas of his operation before passing judgement on bad-mouthing.
Our people say, "there is no smoke without fire".
Vox populi, vox Dei.

We will all give account to what we did or did not do in the final day, because there is someone who is bigger than all of us, watching.

Personally, I do not respond to every contribution to the fora.

Eddie Ozumba


Sent: Monday, 17 March 2014 6:18 AM

Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu
Eddie,

The Igbos chose General Ike Nwachukwu. Why it concerns me is that the man is being bad-mouthed on a forum I subscribe to thereby giving the impression that those who appointed him to lead South East delegation are foolish. If you don't want non-Igbos to participate in a discussion, then limit the discussion to Igbo fora.

Ayo Ojutalayo

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:03 AM, EDWIN OZUMBA <ozed...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
As a matter of principle, any group of delegates to the National Conference should have the right to unanimously choose who leads them.

The credentials and activities of Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu so listed below by people who knew him give cause for concern.. Those who chose him have a duty to explain to Ndigbo their reasons for his choice.


It is difficult to understand why it concerns Mr Ayo Ojutalayo who the Igbos choose to lead them. It is entirely their prerogative to do so and should not be a subject of discussion except among Ndigbo themselves. 

Eddie Ozumba

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu
Do internet biafrans want to claim to know better than their uncles, aunties, fathers and mothers that made General Ike Nwachukwu the leader of South East delegation to the National Conference? I have told them many times that they don't represent Ndigbo. The generality of Ndigbo knows that the civil war ended decades ago. Ndigbo will not be fully integrated in Nigeria until people like Ike Nwachukwu is begged to help Ndigbo with reintegration. That is what is happening but the internet biafrans are not smart enough to understand. Just as they did not understand Ojukwu's counsel that they should accept that the war was over.
 
When Ike Nwachukwu is still able, Ndigbo better consider him as a presidential candidate in one of the mainstream political parties (not the provincial APGA). There should be no complaint of another Yoruba in Aso Rock before an Igbo if Ndigbo will not put forward an acceptable (to other Nigerians) Ndigbo.. A word is enough for the wise!
 
Ayo Ojutalayo




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Brig-General Ike Nwachukwu served Nigeria with honor and dignity and deserve the respect due him as a patriotic Nigeria and a noble Igbo son. You people should stop this nonsense about his mother being Hausa and Father Igbo - because God created Igbo with a unique in all other cultures around the world, and we cannot allow buffoons to continue pointing fingers at God. What about Obasanjo, whose father is Igbo and mother Yoruba. Lt. Ike Nwachukwu served Lt. Col Ojukwu as his Aide de Camp in Kano - and they both work as Igbo boys serving the Federal Republic of Nigeria.


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Subject: Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [Naijaintellects] This is Brig. Gen. Ike Nwachukwu
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 9:43:35 PM

Ike Nwachukwu must never be included in anything that is remotely or outright representative of Igbo. The man is a despicable son of a skunk whose disdain for Ndi Igbo knows no bounds. It is an insult on Igbo that he is to lead Igbo's delegation to this so-called conference. Tufiakwa!
 
Onyema Uche is accurate in almost everything he said about Omar Sanda (not Fanda). Not only was this buffoonish brute a pathetic participant in the summary execution of Igbo men in Asaba during the war, he also governed old Imo state with brutality and disdain reserved for slaves and conquered people.
 
Ike Nwachukwu did not only retard progress and reverse most accomplishments in old Imo state, he also treated the people with disrespect and cruelty. The first disrespectful act carried out by Ike Nwachukwu, upon becoming an appointed military governor of old Imo state in 1984, was his reversal of a law that removed the shameful vestiges of colonialism from our people's faces. Under the governorship of Dee Sam Mbakwe, the state legislature had passed a law that made it possible for Mbakwe to rename streets named after racists colonial officials in Old Imo. Ike Nwachukwu, with an executive order that conveyed his perception of Igbos as slaves, voided that law and reverted some streets to their colonial names. Thus streets like Douglas Road, Wetheral Road, Tetlow, etc, returned (and have remained so shamefully named till date).
 
To demonstrate his accursed damnation of Igbo people, he decided that the sin of any Igbo must be visited upon and held against his village. To accomplish that, he decreed that the execution of armed robbers must be carried out in the armed robber's village and his villagers charged with the cost of carrying out the execution (the impoverished villagers were billed for bullets, time spent on the salary of the security personnel who carried out the execution, etc.). To show that he was serious, he executed a reputed armed robber named "Nwa Lawyer" in his home town of Mabise.
 
Not only did Ike Nwachulwu bill Mbaise people for the cost of the execution, he also forced them to troop out and watch the execution live. What made his action so unjust and vexatious to Mbaise people was that Nwa Lawyer had never been to Mbaise since the late 1960s because Mbaise people had put him on a wanted list and would have executed him had they caught him. In addition, Nwa Lawyer's father (Nwobani), was a notorious and fearsome thief who was executed by Mabise people in 1970. Right after the civil war, Mbaise people instituted ndi nche (vigilantism) and from then until about 1990, there was never an incident of armed robbery or criminal activities in any part of Mbaise where the ndi nche operated. In simple English, Ike Nwachukwu humiliated Mbaise people for a situation they had taken care of while he was massacring Igbo people in the name of preserving one Nigeria.
 
Omar Sanda Ike Nwachukwu's  accomplishment as governor of Imo state is nothing to absolute nothing. He treated Igbo people as prisoners and slaves, he retarded the progress Igbo people made after the war, especially during the civilian era. He was so reviled by the people of Imo state that they mocking called him Iko (concubine) Nwachukwu -- a derisive allusion to his bastardy. Ike Nwachukwu is not an Igbo leader, he is a war criminal who should be readied for the International Criminal Court. His crimes against humanity are indisputable and easily provable. His appointment as a member of a national conference capable of piloting Nigeria positively is evidence enough that the conference is doomed to fail. To have named him a leader of Igbo's delegates to a conference that should decide the fate of Nigeria simply means that Igbo's opinion is not wanted, for Ike Nwachukwu will supplant Igbo's agenda with those of his maternal home's folks, to who he owes allegiance.
 
Ike Nwachuklw should be thrown out of the conference delegation list. If doing so is too late now, then under no circumstance must he be there as representing anything Igbo. 
 

Nebukadineze Adiele
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In a message dated 3/14/2014 3:49:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bizo...@yahoo.com writes:
Ike Nwachukwu is a Major General.
Moving on ,so we now have a sleeping SGF and someone who grew up a Northerner leading Ndigbo.Now tell me who is to blame now?

 
Mazi  Obi
Eziokwu bu Ndu
 (Croo-maat!) 
"whatsoever
thou resolvest to do,do it now. Defer not till the evening what
the morning can accomplish"(Unto thee I grant the economy of life,1978).







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"Sea gol", oleedi aha gi ahu. You are Igbo, I believe, but you are abject nwambashi, going by your drivel below. I don't think you are yet able to clean your posterior orifice thoroughly post defecation.

Being so, there are things about which you just listen, absorb and learn, and not poke about. The issue is not that Nwachukwu has Hausa mother and Igbo father. Some of us are of similar situation - dual heritage.

The issue is that this man carried gun - as we say in Igbo against his supposed kinsmen, his father's people - Igbo. Some have tried to exonerate theman with all manner of lame excuses. This man Ike Nwachukwu operated in an area where 10 - 15 year old males were deliberately slaughtered in cold blood. A young Igbo chap was saved from this man's trigger happy finger by a Yoruba officer. That young man could have been you "sea gol", if you were not born last night, and you had to posit that cretinous drivel of yours.

Ike Nwachukwu is surely a man of no conscience, not even integrity; else he should have turned down the offer, and even now quietly tuck tail and return to Ovim or to his wife's home in Yoruba land. The way it is Igbo may even accept his son, whose name I hear is Abubakar in his father - Ike Nwachukwu's place.....that is were Igbo to run out of men and names to have an Abubakar sit at a conference on their behalf.

"sea gol', I want to be sure I marked you as Igbo, just jee zuo ike, ma cheekwa echiche. Take all of yourself to any part of the north, and try doing anything, including promising to hang yourself for whatever they hold dear - religion - for insance, so you may sit at their table at that conference! Then see how you will be regarded.

Do you get me? I hope you do.

But that is how stupid some of us Igbo are. I have to think you have lunch you want someone else to eat. Your lunch, not Igbo lunch. Jee echiche before you even try respond to mine.


Ayo Ojutalayo

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"Ike Nwachukwu is surely a man of no conscience, not even integrity; else he should have turned down the offer, and even now quietly tuck tail and return to Ovim or to his wife's home in Yoruba land.". . . Peter Opara
 
No wonder this guy is going bananas, General Ike Nwachukwu's mum is Hausa/Fulani, his wife is Yoruba!!! The man is a complete WAZOBIA!!! In Peter Opara's world, BIA should have no close relationship with the WAZO in WAZOBIA.
 
Ayo Ojutalayo


Wilson Iguade

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"What about Obasanjo, whose father is Igbo and mother Yoruba. Lt. Ike Nwachukwu served Lt. Col Ojukwu as his Aide de Camp in Kano - and they both work as Igbo boys serving the Federal Republic of Nigeria."
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Response: Excellent point! Perhaps, the "internet biafrans" (IBs) are afraid of OBJ's yoruba mother, hence "they/IBs" refused to attack the son (OBJ) of a bona fide Igbo father. This son of an Igbo man even bragged about his atrocities during the war, yet no accountability to the internet biafrans crusaders. Na wire o! 

Ayo: "Do internet biafrans want to claim to know better than their uncles, aunties, fathers and mothers that made General Ike Nwachukwu the leader of South East delegation to the National Conference?"
Response: That would be a stupid claim to make by the so called "internet biafrans". Furthermore, reasonable people KNOW that internet/"virtual" can never be superior to "real" concrete actions that led to the appointment of Gen. Ike to the Confab. I wish him success.

Ayo: "I have told them many times that they don't represent Ndigbo". 
Response: It is obvious that said group is out of touch and tone deaf, but what would one expect from those in the "virtual" world, Hehehehe!

Ayo: "When Ike Nwachukwu is still able, Ndigbo better consider him as a presidential candidate in one of the mainstream political parties"
Response: Hmmmm! Consider! That would be nice to see, assuming he wants it. But, he would have to write off the SE, assuming the "internet biafrans" are "real" voters. But they are not, so Ike might sweep the SE, LOL!

Ayo: "There should be no complaint of another Yoruba in Aso Rock before an Igbo if Ndigbo will not put forward an acceptable (to other Nigerians) Ndigbo. A word is enough for the wise!"
Response: Agreed! Except the word to the wise is that Nigeria is not going back to Majority tribes' bullshit as to who owns the presidency next. The majority tribes are not caretakers of Nigeria and no one supreme entity (person or group) or higher legal authority made any one nation (majority or minority) the caretakers of Nigeria. I promise you, hear me now - JONA's legacy after his second term in office will ensure that no ethnic nation or nations get together to "take" turns on assuming the presidency of Nigeria. Beyond 2015, the best Candidate or smart politics will produce the presidency. The days were so called minorities nations remain silent is done with and dead for good. Mark my words. Also, aware that the 1999 constitution does not zone the office of the president and this is a political party doing, the political party that continues to deploy political strategy of zoning its party's presidential candidate MUST zone to all 6 geopolitical regional before the circle repeats, full stop. 

God bless Nigeria. "I"


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"The issue is that this man carried gun - as we say in Igbo against his supposed kinsmen, his father's people - Igbo."

Peter, the basket mouth! 

From the very little I know about OBJ, not Biafran war. Again, OBJ, did he not do exactly as you indicated to be the issue, cited above. Please focus your response on OBJ, the son of an Igbo man that bragged on his atrocities during the war, right? 

I don't understand, and would like to. Teacher, please teach me, but focus on OBJ, nothing else. Or else, I will just delete. God bless Nigeria. Thanks. "I"

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"What about Obasanjo, whose father is Igbo and mother Yoruba. Lt. Ike Nwachukwu served Lt. Col Ojukwu as his Aide de Camp in Kano - and they both work as Igbo boys serving the Federal Republic of Nigeria."  By sea gol" <seag...@yahoo.ca
 

Response by Wilson Iguade:  Excellent point! Perhaps, the "internet biafrans" (IBs) are afraid of OBJ's yoruba mother, hence "they/IBs" refused to attack the son (OBJ) of a bona fide Igbo father. This son of an Igbo man even bragged about his atrocities during the war, yet no accountability to the internet biafrans crusaders. Na wire o! 
 
Good job by Wilson. "Internet biafrans are afraid of OBJ's Yoruba mother".
 
Ayo Ojutalayo




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Ayo:

If Obj had a known Igbo father, would he call Ota home? His mamma would be craving to relocate to Igbo land with her son. 

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Sea gol's many quotes


"Brig-General Ike Nwachukwu served Nigeria with honor and dignity and deserve the respect due him as a patriotic Nigeria and a noble Igbo son."
My Comment - Yep, I agree with you in totality

"You people should stop this nonsense about his mother being Hausa and Father Igbo..."

My comment: Isn't it the reason why he's more cooool than the full blooded Igbo ppl. Any Igbo with a non-igbo blood mix is a well-bahaved Igbo anyday. For those who don't fit this criteria, we need to rexamine the dna of the other non-igbo blood. The Igbo kids with Yoruba blood in them when they go their papa igboland, they prostrate, and respect their elders. They behave well to the consternation of the locals, I mean local-Igbo who asks out of admiration, 'nna papa, biko nke a bụ na nwanne m nwoke?


" - because God created Igbo with a unique in all other cultures around the world,"

My comment: Eeeewo! Not so fast buddy! Biko, oghini this nonsese 'unique'? N ba, stop your medication right away.


"What about Obasanjo, whose father is Igbo and mother Yoruba."

My comment: Igbos never letting off in owning any southern Nigerian presidents ex or serving, including GEJ.  Interesting!

And one yeye Opara will be talking of nwabashi, na wa for some 'ewu' people.

TTT


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Yes, OBJ was fathered by an Igbo man, this is the truth and undisputed, at least not yet. The sad part if sad at all, and I would like to avoid further talk on this aspect - the said Igbo father of OBJ was not around to help raise OBJ, thus OBJ bitterness towards the Igbos, we are told. 

Maybe Prof. Obi will shed more light on this, he is the historian and defender of anything Igbo, and this OBJ aspect of Igbo literature should not be an exception, hehehe! Lord have mercy. Peace! "I"


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Was OBJ really fathered by an Igboman? Pls educate me more.


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Wilson,

I am enjoying what you are writing about OBJ. I did not know the man hates Ndigboso much but since you said it, I believe you. I am all ears for Obi's response to you. By the way, is there any ethnic group that OBJ likes?

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Ayo:
 
Last time you and I were on OBJ, you were jubilating on OBJ being Yoruba President or should we say you were jubilating that OBJ is a Nigerian President of Yoruba extraction. Are you now denying that he is not Yoruba? Besides, the last time I checked Obasanjo is not an Igbo name.
 
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"By the way, is there any ethnic group that OBJ likes?"-Alagba Ayo
I dey laff ooo.

The man is a vindictive bitter man, who supposed to be the happiest and most fortunate man in the world, but because of his narcissism, he is always bitter. Hence, the bitterness and hatred for all ethnic groups. The man was the mole among the Yoruba and providing secrets and information about the Yoruba people (civilians and military) to the northern folks (civilians and military).
The man Obj is the most dangerous Nigerian alive today. 


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When all is said and done, whenever OBJ dies, he is going to be given a national burial whether all the ethnic groups like it or not.
 
In Igbo, we'll say OBJ is one whose palm kernel was cracked for him by his chi.
 
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Idowu:

Is Obasanjo an Igbo name? Does it sound like Onitsha name to you?

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"By the way, is there any ethnic group that OBJ likes?" Ayo Ojutalayo

Ayo,

I don't know, but since you said it. I take it that he hates all, thus you corroborated my prior position given Igbo is part of the whole (all). :)

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Vin,

I am surprised that you asked this question. OBJ's blood relationship with Igbo has been established on this forum in the past even though he grew up Yoruba. If not for his being a former military Head of state and later President, no body would have cared about the details of OBJ's background. Whatever be the case, all Nigerians agree that he used Yoruba's quota / time in Aso Rock even though Yoruba did not vote for him, and Yoruba did not enjoy any benefit from his presidency. Even you agreed with this, right?

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OBJ is an Owu man. His father was from Sotomi Compound.
In Owu, if you are not from an Agboile, you can't be an Owu. Agbo-ile a compound distinguishes who you are, what are your family's traditional title, trade and pedigree.
Unless anyone has other proof, OBJ's mother is NOT an Owu woman. Then if the mother is not Owu, how did OBJ get the tribal marks on his cheeks? 

So, his mother could not have drawn those tribal marks on OBJ's cheeks.
And those tribal marks on his cheeks are authentic Owu marks.
Owu is a tight knitted community because they are all one way or other related. Ajibolas (can't remember their agboile's name), Omotunwashes, Sotomis, Ajiboshins.......all cousins somewhere somehow. 
Amosun is from the "Ajiboshin" compound.
OBJ is Sotomi.

Wilson Iguade is born as a Dumbo.
These dumbos are still peddling this Mama Alamala lie till today.
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Idowu:

Ota farm is located in the ethnic group of his love. He put his money where his love is. Yoruba. 


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But who did the DNA test? If they ever conduct DNA test, you will be surprised of the ethnicity of some of the Boko Haram terrorists. 

Remember all those truck drivers from the south who are gone for weeks? And those southern traders of yams and ayaba who were also gone for weeks at a time? Wow. If DNA is ever done, never mind. I have nothing to worry about. My dad was never in the north. And no 'Hausa' man can ever assert claim to any of my inherited land. But a who lot of folks from the south have a lot to worry about. 

If DNA proves Obj is Igbo, Yoruba folks will first evict him from Ota farm. Dump him at Upper Iweka Road at Onitsha at 4 Am. The Igbo always care for their own. Obj will be glad to be home at last. He can lay claim to all that land they allotted to him at Awka when he was president. 


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“OBJ's blood relationship with Igbo has been established on this forum in the past even though he grew up Yoruba.” Ayo Ojutalayo

 

Please, look up the words, “Urban Legend”.

 

OBJ is as Yoruba as you are. I see no distinction nor difference between you two in your Yoruba primordial atavistic base instincts in relating to the Igbo and who else.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

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Pa Ezeana:
We know that the man Obj usurped Yoruba heritage to get all he could get from Nigeria. But Yoruba know the man is not Yoruba, because all his career life, he did everything to frustrate Yoruba cause. An example, the man was in charge for 8 yrs, he refused to fix any Yoruba federal road, even the one leading to Otta.
He was a bloody mole for the Hausa/Fulani and that was why they gave him Yoruba quota instead of Falae, who is a true Yoruba son. Yoruba never voted for him in any election. The ACN rode to power in Yoruba land was anti-Obj vote.
In 1999, he lost Yoruba vote, even in 2003, he had to rig Yoruba election to defeat GMB, this was why the Ogun state presidential election votes were cancelled by Supreme court for its Nigerian wonder. In 2011, his daughter lost the election in his ward.


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Why is he still in Otta? Need help?


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Pa Ezeana:
There is nothing, we Yoruba can do about it, the man has acquired lands in Otta and is claiming Otta as his own land as many Igbos are claiming Lagos. But the man even said while campaigning for Uba in 2007, that his children can comfortably run for election in Anambra state. Ojukwu's aka for Obj was Omo Oba referring to Igwe Onyejekwe--the former Obi of Onitsha, Igwe Okwudili Onyejekwe a police officer, who lived in Abeokuta around 1930s. He died in 1970.


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Dear KC and Ayo:
 
If I were an Igboman (which I could have been if it had been the will of
of our Almighty God), there is one other MAJOR REASON that for which I would
resist the URBAN LEGEND  that OBJ is Igbo ((if it is truly one) from gaining a foothold
in Nigeria:):)
 
This major reason concerns thie PDP ethnic (or is it zonal rotation) of the
Nigerian Presidency.
 
If OBJ were Igbo, and such is accepted by all or most Nigerians for official purposes,
then OBJ as an Igbo would have served
3 terms as the President of Nigeria and in the process had used up the Igbo rotation
on the  Nigerian Presidency rota  not only once but twice--if we discount his rule
as Military President..
 
This would mean that  after GEJ leaves office in 2015 or 2019,(and assuming
a term of 4 years for each President is mantained--if it is not changed by the Confab to a
one term of 6 years--, the next teime the SE would have a shot at the Presidency would be
after the NW,SW,and NC had had their turn is at the earliest 2031 if each President had only
one term or even longet if each one had two terms (2043) to be followed by the NE and SW.
 
The aspiration to have an Igbo President might even be further delayed if the current idea being championed by my friend Cool Breeze Vin Otunoye and others that GEJ is
Igbo because he has Ebele and Azikiwe on his birth certificate gains currency  amonst Nigerians at large.
 
Since I abhor all kinds of unfairness,  I am willing to swear an affidavit that the OBJ that I know is as Egba-Owu and definetely of full Yoruba ancestry. The majority of the Yoruba accept OBJ with all his strengths and weaknesses warts and all as one of of our own,
even though he would rather wish to be identified as a Nigerian first and foremost
.
 
I have already floated the idea of Dr Mrs Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala as the  ideal Igbo candidate for 2015 or 2019.
I will also support Oby Ezekwesili for President.
 
 
But most of all what I really want is the BEST PRESIDENT for Nigeria, at any given time--regardless of his or her ethnic
origins! If the best candidate also happens to be Igbo--the majority of Nigerians would also vote for him or her.
In other words--the idea of rotational Presidency should be abolished as it has no place in a modern democracy.
Bye.
 
Ola

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The National Conference may decide to give more powers to the six regions and weaken the center. They may allow the regions to create as many states as the region need provided it doesn't short-change other regions. If that is the case, who needs the presidency? But really, I never said Jonathan is Igbo. We all know he is Ijaw/Ijo. But since he identified with us, would you want us to reject him? He is unlike other Ijaw leaders like Clarke, Diette Spiff and Melford Okilo who are antagonistic against Ndi igbo.
 
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Dear Ola:

 

For whatever the likelihood of outcome is in real or as urban legend, OBJ is Yoruba man. Even if tomorrow DNA proves he is Igbo, we, the Igbo will see him as Yoruba in every ramifications of his bearings and conduct.

 

As I have maintained all along, the Igbo are yet to produce a Nigerian President. Our current President, Goodluck Ebele Jonathan is not Igbo. But for his reaching out to us, the Igbo, he is very welcome. And if Igbo support would help him serve his one or two terms as Nigeria’s President, we will give it to him. The Igbo do not refuse the hand(s) of genuine friendship from Nigeria’s other ethnic nationalities. Remember the late Yoruba Chief Adeniran Ogunsanya was a true friend to Ndi-Igbo. And in life and in death, Ndi-Igbo did not disappoint him. That is who we, the Igbo are; we accept those that without reservations regard us as friend(s).

 

You see, at God’s appointed time, an Igbo man/woman will be Nigeria President granted that the Nigeria do not disintegrate given the things afoot in the country; especially, the Boko Haram and their sponsors menace of the polity.

 

Given that I d not have anything against either Dr Mrs Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala or Oby Ezekwesili as your “ideal Igbo candidates for 2015 or 2019”, I wonder why you could not see Igbo males as also, “the ideal Igbo candidates” for President. I will like to remind you that former Anambra State Governor, Mazi Peter Obi fits that mold. As you wisely opined at the end of your piece; like you, I am more interested in  a Nigerian President of the people and for the people; a President who knows that the worth of a country and its leadership is judged and measured by how well the masses, the poor, the dregs of society are provided for than the rich get richer and live in reveling opulence while the majority 90% as is presently in Nigeria live from hand to mouth.

 

Cheers.

 

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Subject: [IgboWorldForum] Re: OBJ an Igboman?
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:19:19 -0400

 

OBJ is too ugly to be an Igboman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBJ is a Yoruba man PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Wilson Iguade <igu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yes, OBJ was fathered by an Igbo man, this is the truth and undisputed, at least not yet. The sad part if sad at all, and I would like to avoid further talk on this aspect - the said Igbo father of OBJ was not around to help raise OBJ, thus OBJ bitterness towards the Igbos, we are told.�
 
Maybe Prof. Obi will shed more light on this, he is the historian and defender of anything Igbo, and this OBJ aspect of Igbo literature should not be an exception, hehehe! Lord have mercy. Peace! "I"


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Was OBJ really fathered by an Igboman? Pls educate me more.
 
 
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"What about Obasanjo, whose father is Igbo and mother Yoruba. Lt. Ike Nwachukwu served Lt. Col Ojukwu as his Aide de Camp in Kano - and they both work as Igbo boys serving the Federal Republic of Nigeria."
By sea gol" <seag...@yahoo.ca
Response: Excellent point! Perhaps, the "internet biafrans" (IBs) are afraid of OBJ's yoruba mother, hence "they/IBs" refused to attack the son (OBJ) of a bona fide Igbo father. This son of an Igbo man even bragged about his atrocities during the war, yet no accountability to the internet biafrans crusaders. Na wire o!�

Ayo: "Do internet biafrans want to claim to know better than their uncles, aunties, fathers and mothers that made General Ike Nwachukwu the leader of South East delegation to the National Conference?"
Response: That would be a stupid claim to make by the so called "internet biafrans". Furthermore, reasonable people KNOW that internet/"virtual" can never be superior to "real" concrete actions that led to the appointment of Gen. Ike to the Confab. I wish him success.
 
Ayo: "I have told them many times that they don't represent Ndigbo".�
Response: It is obvious that said group is out of touch and tone deaf, but what would one expect from those in the "virtual" world, Hehehehe!
 
Ayo: "When Ike Nwachukwu is still able, Ndigbo better consider him as a presidential candidate in one of the mainstream political parties"
Response: Hmmmm! Consider! That would be nice to see, assuming he wants it. But, he would have to write off the SE, assuming the "internet biafrans" are "real" voters. But they are not, so Ike might sweep the SE, LOL!
 
Ayo: "There should be no complaint of another Yoruba in Aso Rock before an Igbo if Ndigbo will not put forward an acceptable (to other Nigerians) Ndigbo. A word is enough for the wise!"
Response: Agreed! Except the word to the wise is that Nigeria is not going back to Majority tribes' bullshit as to who owns the presidency next. The majority tribes are not caretakers of Nigeria and no one supreme entity (person or group) or higher legal authority made any one nation (majority or minority) the caretakers of Nigeria. I promise you, hear me now - JONA's legacy after his second term in office will ensure that no ethnic nation or nations get together to "take" turns on assuming the presidency of Nigeria. Beyond 2015, the best Candidate or smart politics will produce the presidency. The days were so called minorities nations remain silent is done with and dead for good. Mark my words. Also, aware that the 1999 constitution does not zone the office of the president and this is a political party doing, the political party that continues to deploy political strategy of zoning its party's presidential candidate MUST zone to all 6 geopolitical regional before the circle repeats, full stop.�
 
God bless Nigeria. "I"
 
 
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Brig-General Ike Nwachukwu served Nigeria with honor and dignity and deserve the respect due him as a patriotic Nigeria and a noble Igbo son. You people should stop this nonsense about his mother being Hausa and Father Igbo - because God created Igbo with a unique in all other cultures around the world, and we cannot allow buffoons to continue pointing fingers at God. What about Obasanjo, whose father is Igbo and mother Yoruba. Lt. Ike Nwachukwu served Lt. Col Ojukwu as his Aide de Camp in Kano - and they both work as Igbo boys serving the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
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Do internet biafrans want to claim to know better than their uncles, aunties,�fathers and mothers that made General Ike Nwachukwu the leader of South East delegation to the National Conference? I have told�them many times that�they don't represent Ndigbo. The generality of Ndigbo knows that the civil war ended decades ago. Ndigbo will not be fully integrated in Nigeria until people like Ike Nwachukwu is begged to help Ndigbo with reintegration. That is what is happening but the internet biafrans are not smart enough to understand. Just as they did not understand Ojukwu's counsel that they should�accept that the war was over.
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When Ike Nwachukwu is still able, Ndigbo better consider him as a presidential candidate in one of the mainstream political parties (not the provincial APGA). There should be no complaint of another Yoruba in Aso Rock before an Igbo�if Ndigbo will not�put forward�an acceptable (to other Nigerians) Ndigbo. A word is enough for the wise!
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At the risk of being pounded by the male members of this forum - Our men have been running Nigeria as commander-in-chief, second and third in command since inception. Under their ship, please tell us what type of country we have today? Maybe it is time for a change! Put a woman at the helm of things like we have in Liberia and Malawi.

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Cool Breeze, we need some critical thinking here. How is GEJ, different from those you mentioned if they remain his staunch allies and advisers? Show me your friends and I'll tell you whom you are is still a valid dictum...but no matter! Somehow,  I find it somewhat of a negative psychological  that it is only ndiIgbo that in these forums are always craving for those whom they will adopt against their wish or have adopted them! 

Man one is either Igbo or not...GEJ is Ijaw, OBJ is Owu(Yrouba), Okala is Ikwere, Vin is Igbo... simplicita!  There are so many Igbo of all calibre that I think it is very superfluous debating the Igboness of one that has not invested nor has interest in the affairs of Igbo! Really we are wasting a lot of bandwidth debating inanities and trivia...and thereby crystalizing sentiments that distract from the main issues confronting ndiIgbo, nay Nigeria as a polity!
 In six years  GEJ just did ground breaking for the Naija bridge without a Federal budget for its actualization. All the federal bridges completed elsewhere in Naija, only the one in the East will be done on some financing mechanism that will task the people....OBJ in 2007 also did a similar ground breaking and initiated a farcical dredging, all designed to hoodwink ndiIgbo and improve his political fortunes...what sort of Igbo could these be?
Shagari, in Four years built all Federal roads and more  in the East...yet he was not Igbo or claim to be one, go figure! 
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Ola:
Whether ObJ is Igbo or Yoruba, he used Yoruba quota as president. He contested using Otta as his constituent.The Yoruba allowed him to be fostered on us. So we snoozed and we lost.
I do not care if the president of Nigeria is from kokonbilo, all I want is a president with a vision and not parochial president with ethno-religious vision. 

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Sister Nkechi:

 

I am in total agreement with your suggestion that it is time to, “Put a woman at the helm of” political leadership in Nigeria. And that is why I will not mind the likes of Dr. Ngozi Okonjo Iweala, Oby Ezekwesili or even Dr. Dora Akunyili for that matter.

 

While on that, do please, remember Nigeria had cases of women placed in MD positions that performed worse than the men folks. A good or bad example is Ms. Cecelia Ibru that looted a bank. Right now, lots of fingers are pointing at petroleum Minister, Diezani Madueke as failure in leadership opportunity for women. Remember the over zealousness of Mrs. Yar’Adua for the few months she was Nigeria’s virtual President when her husband had died in Saudi Arabia and she in connivance with the inner members of her husband’s cabinet kept lying to the country that the President was alive and well in Saudi hospital.

 

You see, every country produces the kind of leader(s) they deserve. Until there is a revolution, not necessarily a bloody one, until Nigerians rise and say, enough is enough, Nigeria will continue to be led by corrupt men and women.

 

Cheers.

 

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Mcb:
 
Shagari doesn't need claim to be Igbo. He came from one of the three big. If you know what I mean. Don't worry about the PPP and ndi Igbo sharing the cost of building the second Niger bridge. Let them build it and we'll see who will pay for it. Also recall that a bridge is being built across the river Benue. The question is: will the federal government pay for the cost of that bridge and let ndi Igbo pay for the cost of second Niger bridge?
 
I am not sure if there is no federal budget for the actualization of the second Niger bridge. If I am not mistaken, the federal govt will put forth the initial 25% cost of building the bridge. Let me ask you: if someone identify with you, do you reject him? 
 
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Idowu:
 
Let me ask you like I ask Ayo Ojulatayo: How has Jonathan presidency benefited his ethnic ijaw? 
 
Aside form quieting militant ijaws by stopping them from their militant activities and sending them abroad for education and giving people like Asari Dokubo contracts to guard and watch oil pipelines, establishing a federal university in Otueke and a law school, what has Ijaw people benefitted from Jonathan. Ijaw and some South south people still complain of neglect. They say the West/East road is in a mess and needed urgent repair.
 
The common Ijaw man is still suffering like other Nigerian
 
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Brother Vin

Do not discount the impact of a university.

Education is a significant key to social and economic upward mobility.

As the university grows and develops, so also will the village of Otueke.

Take a leaf from the University of Connecticut, Storrs, that started out as a tiny agricultural school. See what it is today.

I am sure VC Aluko who is working hard to place the university on the map has a lot to say.

Me, I wish someone with the bucks would site an agricultural university in my village.


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My Sister:
 
Tell me about it. We are thinking the same thing. I would like to have one in my village and name it after my mother and my mother-in-law.
 
Already, there was a time my folks here were talking about how to convert the secondary school in our town to a university.
 
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Brother Vin

With all this talk about Obj having Igbo blood, maybe folks will convince him to move to the next level from Ota farms to an agricultural university sited in Igbo land to help atone for his actions as a soldier in Biafra. Let the money and the jobs circulate beyond the SW.


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My Sister:

Let's bring it home first. Let's tell Ike Nwachukwu to build an agricultural or technical university in Igbo land instead of moving university from one part of igbo land to anothmmer. Also, let's tell him to change his son's name from Abubakar to Emeka.

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Brother Vin

With all this talk about Obj having Igbo blood, maybe folks will convince him to move to the next level from Ota farms to an agricultural university sited in Igbo land to help atone for his actions as a soldier in Biafra.  Let the money and the jobs circulate beyond the SW.

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My Sister:

Tell me about it. We are thinking the same thing. I would like to have one in my village and name it after my mother and my mother-in-law.

Already, there was a time my folks here were talking about how to convert the secondary school in our town to a university.

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Brother Vin

Do not discount the impact of a university.

Education is a significant key to social and economic upward mobility.

As the university grows and develops, so also will the village of Otueke.

Take a leaf from the University of Connecticut, Storrs, that started out as a tiny agricultural school.  See what it is today.

I am sure VC Aluko who is working hard to place the university on the map has a lot to say.

Me, I wish someone with the bucks would site an agricultural university in my village.

Remain blessed

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Idowu:

Let me ask you like I ask Ayo Ojulatayo: How has Jonathan presidency benefited his ethnic ijaw? 

Aside form quieting militant ijaws by stopping them from their militant activities and sending them abroad for education and giving people like Asari Dokubo contracts to guard and watch oil pipelines, establishing a federal university in Otueke and a law school, what has Ijaw people benefitted from Jonathan. Ijaw and some South south people still complain of neglect. They say the West/East road is in a mess and needed urgent repair.

The common Ijaw man is still suffering like other Nigerian

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye
Ola:Whether ObJ is Igbo or Yoruba, he used Yoruba quota as president. He contested using Otta as his constituent.The Yoruba allowed him to be fostered on us. So we snoozed and we lost.I do not care if the president of Nigeria is from kokonbilo, all I want is a president with a vision and not parochial president with ethno-religious vision.      On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:00 PM, Simon Chukwudi McBee Iberosi <nne...@att.net> wrote:
    Cool Breeze, we need some critical thinking here. How is GEJ, different from those
you mentioned if they remain his staunch allies and advisers? Show me your friends and I'll tell you whom you are is still a valid dictum...but no matter! Somehow,  I find it somewhat of a negative psychological  that it is only ndiIgbo that in these forums are always craving for those whom they will adopt against their wish or have adopted them! Man one is either Igbo or not...GEJ is Ijaw, OBJ is Owu(Yrouba), Okala is Ikwere, Vin is Igbo... simplicita!  There are so many Igbo of all calibre that I think it is very superfluous debating the
Igboness of one that has not invested nor has interest in the affairs of Igbo! Really we are wasting a lot of bandwidth debating inanities and trivia...and thereby crystalizing sentiments that distract from the main issues confronting ndiIgbo, nay Nigeria as a polity! In six years  GEJ just did ground breaking for the Naija bridge without a Federal budget for its actualization. All the federal bridges completed elsewhere in Naija, only the one in the East will be done on some financing mechanism that will task the people....OBJ in 2007 also did a similar ground breaking and initiated a farcical dredging, all designed to hoodwink ndiIgbo and improve his political fortunes...what sort of Igbo could these be?Shagari, in Four years built all Federal roads and more  in the East...yet he was not Igbo or claim to be one, go figure! /mcb Sent from Yahoo! mail on Apple Mac Mini Desktop        From: Vin Otuonye <vincent...@msn.com> To: "africanw...@googlegroups.com" <africanw...@googlegroups.com> Cc: "jnz...@hotmail.com" <jnz...@hotmail.com>; "agw...@yahoo.com"

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Dr. Kassim: The National Conference may decide to give more powers to the six regions and weaken the center. They may allow the regions to create as many states as the region need provided it doesn't short-change other regions. If that is the case, who needs the presidency? But really, I never said Jonathan is Igbo. We all know he is Ijaw/Ijo. But since he identified with us, would you want us to reject him? He is unlike other Ijaw leaders like Clarke, Diette Spiff and Melford Okilo who are antagonistic against Ndi igbo. Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye To: africanw...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: OBJ an Igboman?From: olaka...@aol.comCC: jnz...@hotmail.com; agw...@yahoo.com;
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Afis.
Except for your last two lines, if what you wrote is not a joke, it then must be credible.
Otitigbe.

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Alagba Afis,

I have not observed any Owu tribal marks on your cheeks o!

I therefore call for the necessary agboile ritual of drawing an authentic Owu tribal mark on your cheeks. The team to do so will be led by Alagba Odumakin who will " fa ila naa".

Lobatan!


Kola/ 

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Afis the thief has some truth, and some wisdom in him after all. Crude brute Obasanjo is Owu, as Owu itself. Dumbo WIlson Iguana, and Kola Onifade - the vulture is a patient bird fame haven't got a clue. Was not crude bruthe Obasanjo in Owu a few years ago while he was president, rigging Owu traditionla chief elections? I mean Obasanjo was in Owu, had a candidate in mind; when election began running away from his preferred candidate crude brute exercised rare agility for a man his age, hopped up, grabbed election papers and shredded them. When did Obasanjo ever spend time in Onitsha, much more oversee traditional elections where he could have  done what he did in Owu. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb Blokes....wilson iguana, ayo ojutalayo et al.

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"If DNA proves Obj is Igbo, Yoruba folks will first evict him from Ota farm. Dump him at Upper Iweka Road at Onitsha at 4 Am. The Igbo always care for their own. Obj will be glad to be home at last. He can lay claim to all that land they allotted to him at Awka when he was president." . . . .Ezeana Igirigi Achusim

Ezeana,

You have spoken well. Who will bell the cat? Who will carry out DNA text on the Ota farmer?

Ayo Ojutalayo

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"The common Ijaw man is still suffering like other Nigerian"
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye

I rarely agree with Vin Otuonye. But on the above statement I agree with him entirely. The Ijaws might have their son sitting pretty in Aso Rock. But fat lot of good that has done the avaerage Ijaw man.

And Nkechi, comparing the impact that the University of Connecticut, Storrs has had on the community within which it is situated with the prospected impact that FUO will have on Otueke is like comparing cheese and chalk.

In Nigeria, Universities situated in communities that are not developed before the university is established have had negligible impact on their immediate communities. And when they eventually do make a slight impact, this would take years if not decades. Of course employment is provided for a few more people dierectly and indirectly as a result, but do industries and employment opportunities for the graduates of such universities then flow into the immediate community after it has been established? The answer is an emphatic NO!

For me, my main dislikes of Jonathan Goodluck is his tremulousness and utter lack of vision as to what will indeed meaningfully impact on his people- curbing and repairing the degradation of the land and waters of the creeks, enabling laws that will guarantee greater fiscal federalism, empowering an active and honest governor in Bayelsa rather than just wanting a thieving yes man, tabling bills at the house that will reduce the pervasive and punitive federal might, encouraging and enabling industries suitable for the water logged terrain of the creeks, improved health facilities, primary and secondary schools. Etc

Did the great sage Papa Obafemi Awolowo simply established a university in the then western region and then rested on his laurels? NO!


The man Jonathan Goodluck is definitely not a visionary nor a leader, just a below average academic trudging along in below average fashion as President. Simple as ABC.
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 23:23:32 +0000
Subject: RE: OBJ an Igboman?

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Guys:
In Yoruba land tribal marks at times are done to claim ownership from absentee father from a different ethnic group. Most Owu folks of Obasanjo's age you can count those with obvious marks like Obasanjo. So the tribal marks further confirmed that Obj's father is the runaway high libido Igbo policeman. Hence, the reason for Obj high libido.

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Mazi

Why should Obj wait for DNA test to lay claim to the land in Awka that has was allotted to him while President. They should be encouraging him right now to develop the land for use that will bring continuous employment to youth in Awka. Let him spread his wealth to SE.

Maybe someone will give GEJ land in my village (since Igbo people are also claiming him) to site an agricultural university that will focus on food production and processing; manufacturing, assembly and repair of agricultural equipment; research, development and recycling of agricultural waste and products to produce other things such as roofing sheets, herbal medicine. You name it.

The farms in my village have been left for my grandmothers to work. The youth and abled-bodied men are all in the city to seek work or gone to foreign lands to trade. They will rather stay unemployed in the city than stay in the village to farm the land because they have not been made to see that there is money to be made through agriculture or provided with the right incentive to do so. They come home only for holidays and burials. To see the extent of desertion, even our late Eze was living in Aba and coming back to the village every other weekend to settle matters.

Come to my village and you will see big empty homes locked up competing with each other for which estate is bigger. Next to all of that is absolutely nothing to keep the youth employed at home in the village. Each time I come home, I am saddened that only my grandmothers are in our compound.


Remain blessed
Nkechi

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Brother Eric

Rome was not built in a day. Development of a village, town, city, state or country is a slow process that takes planning and years to accomplish. The moment you site a university in a village that really had nothing to show for it, the journey of turning that village to a town or city has begun depending on the type of growth and investments being made for the university, the focus of the university, the businesses that you encourage to establish around the university. I don't know what the focus is of the university in Otueke.

For me and my people, I pray for that someone with the wealth and vision will establish an agricultural university in my village with a business school also. My people are traditionally farmers and traders. It is farming that paid for my undergraduate college education. If God should give me the wealth or the connections to meet the right people of influence to make it happen, I would establish an agricultural university in my late father's name in my village. Education, farming, business entrepreneurship linked to rural development would be the focus which is what my father stood for.

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“There are so many Igbo of all calibre that I think it is very superfluous debating the Igboness of one that has not invested nor has interest in the affairs of Igbo! Really we are wasting a lot of bandwidth debating inanities and trivia...and thereby crystalizing sentiments that distract from the main issues confronting ndiIgbo, nay Nigeria as a polity!” Friend McB


Friend McB,


Thank you for yours above. The Igbo nation is what it is today or what people like GEJ take it to be because we are always interested in things that don’t matter. The second Niger Bridge construction is being used for politics and the tab slipped under that table for the Igbos, but we rather debate if former President Obasanjo a Yoruba man is Igbo. Make it a wonderful weekend my brother. Oputaa

 




 
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Igbo could these be?Shagari, in Four years built

all Federal roads and more  in the East...yet he was
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Otitigbe, I am Owu. I know all of them.....Prince Ajibola, former AG.....OBJ, Gov Amosun, all are related.

Shikena,
Afis
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Afis

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Alagba Onifade, most Owu people have outlawed tribal marks long ago. 
The only tribal marks not outlawed are the ones usually drawn on the right ribcage of every first born of the King, a heir apparent. 

Owu has the most educated and most enlightened citizens than all other Egba communities.
Even our tribal marks are the most thinly drawn that one can hardly observe the marks on the wearer's cheeks.

I would have loved to have it on my cheeks, but........he get as he be?
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Afis

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IdowuBobo, Maybe in Ondo people draw tribal marks to claim children, but Owu people don't do it. 
In Owu, not Ondo state, bastards cannot wear tribal marks. 
Children of the male Owu are those who can wear facial marks. 

After the Dahomey-Egba war, the POWs in Owu who were normally tied to trees after the day's farming, asked for reprieve from the Oba, and was given by the Olowu. 
However, some of the slaves or POWs further urged the King to allow them the honor to wear facial marks ie. after they could have purchased back their rights from slavery to Iwofas to free born. 
That request was rejected by the then Olowu of Owu. The Oba allowed them to buy back their Freedom, but never to wear Owu facial marks.

Omo-Oba Meta Niga...Schooling IdowuBobo on Owu customary laws:

Tribal marks are what distinguish Omo-onile from Ajoji. 
And as far as Owu's tradition allowed, NOT Idowu's Ondo, but OWU's traditional values...........Omo-onile is anyone born of male Owu parentage.
Even children born by Female-Owu cannot claim to be an Owu person. 
While the Owu female like Iyabo Obasanjo is an authentic Owu, her children CANNOT claim Owu.
It is the unwritten Owu, NOT Ondo, customary law.

IdowuBobo, you sound silly. 
Maybe you are trying to sound funny, but you ain't funny but silly.
Read yours again and tell Afis you don't feel the urge to kick yourself in the Royal butt......for been silly.
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Afis
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Ok.
The I believe you.
Otitigbe.

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Sugbon e ranti wipe omo kii ku lowo onikola o.
 
 
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OBJ: either an Igbo man or Yoruba man, omi eko eko ni.
 
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The first Yoruba Field Marshall.......Odua.

Omi eko is water on eko.
Eko is eko.
There are chemicals nowadays that separate the real from the diluted.

Those Yoruba swegbe that keep belittling their Heroes should go find a good shrink to help check the hole separating their left from right brains. 
You are making friends out of Igbos by degrading your Heroes. You are just the clown they need for that moment. 
If you dare to say one thing out of line against their own, the Igbos won't remember your Omo-Ale posture during the defiling of one of yours.
The Igbos defiling your heroes know why they are doing it. But joining them show how foolish those Yorubas have become.
Until any of these dumb ass Yorubas could tell me what they had gained from their pacifying the Igbos, until then I say check your heads.

By the way, Alagba Samuel Ayodele, if you drink only omi eko, you won't feel as satisfied and as belly-filled as drinking the real McCoy. Omi is omi any day.

OBJ is the real deal when it comes to peppering the Igbos. 
Igbo lynch mob planned with Atiku to remove him, OBJ removed four or five Senate Igbo Presidents, and killed one. That was my happiest moment!
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The Ass-Whooping Yoruba General.
He whooped Igbo people's Ass from Enugu to Ivory Coast.

OBJ is a Yoruba hero, no matter what else he did or did not use his opportune political moments to do, no one can take his Heroism away from him.......
OBJ WAS ONE OF THE YORUBA GENERALS THAT WHOOPED THE COLLECTIVE BUTTOCKS OF THE GODDAMNED INYANMINRINS.
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Lt Col. Ojukwu, the AWOL of the Federal soldiers, who led the Igbos to Royal Ass-Whooping.

I said it, now call in the Marines!
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The Benin Republic of today is the offshoot of Dahomey of yesterday. Has anyone read me severally hereabouts intimating that the only country home crude brute- this animal called man -my NO command -Matthew Okikiolahan Aremu Olusegun Obasanjo has is in Benin Republic? It should not be news to those who read and understand and remember. Very important still, the first and only wife of crude brute Obasanjo to whom yours truly refer as an honorable woman - Remi Obasanjo - let it be known that the only crude brute Obasanjo's brother known to her resides in Benin Republic. When crude brute Obasanjo is not seen in Nigerian, he must be seen in Benin Republic. Sahara Reporter once gave an expose after chatting with a kindly gentleman who gave him a ride from Benin Republic into Nigeria, who turned to be Obasanjo's first son. The guy by Sowore's relay was home in the republic of Benin - as in comfortable. What does this Republic of Benin/Obasanjo refrain suggest to a thinking mind, in fact an intelligent mind? Now, all them DUMMIES, YOROBA DUMMIES, liars and all may go on doing Owambe, and closing thoroughfares yakking to let the world know that the crude, the burden of Nigeria that is their son at the other side of Yoroba divide - Dahomey/Benin - is Igbo. Let them dream on. Igbo in the republic of Benin are just businessmen. There is no creature in the nature of crude brute Obasanjo sired by any Igbo man or woman anywhere in the world. It is that clear and present and simple.

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This is for YOROBA "heroes"
Brigadier Ogundipe runs from an army sergeant, stows away to London where he exiled until his last day;


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YOROBA heroes
 
This for YOROBA "heroes"
Brigadier Ogundipe runs from an army sergeant, hides in a boat from which he stows away to London where he exiled until his last day;
Adekunle of kill anything that moves sends his war weary and wounded soldiers to the front - Yoroba all - where a thousand of them perish in one hour  battle;
Adekunle, the absent general freaks out;
removed from command, replaced by tactless, brainless buffoon named Olusegun Obasanjo - today the burden of Nigeria - who became known as the only commander ever to sustain bullet wound in his buttocks - running away from battlefield; pens a book of lies, fiction and contrivances that should have been titled "my NO command;
Ona kaa kanfor of YOROBA land - Abiola, wins election runs away to agitate for his mandate in foreign land; joined by young YOROBO rebuked by none other than Madiba Mandela to return to Nigeria and fight; fighters indeed the young Yoroba were, they demanded Abiola insure their lives before they could go home to fight; they plead and beg Igbo to join them in a battle they could not fight; Abacha dies, and today the born cowards tell they fought Abacah to a stop.
 
That is how YOROBA heroes are made.
 
Never knew heroes are made out of COWARDS.
 
But there you have it looking at them YOROBA heroes.

Thomas

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you Nigerians are sick! happy inflicting pain on one another on the basis of ethnic bias!
 
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Ogbuonyeiro,
You forgot to add that a handful of Fulani took over the Yoroba town of Ilorin and have occupied it for almost two centuries. Yoroba has done nothing about it and will do nothing about recovering it because every time they allude to Fulani's occupation and enslavement of Yoroba of that area, Fulani threatens them with marching onto and occupying of Ibadan.
 
I know where Yoroba folks are esteemed (but am not saying it), bravery is certainly antithetical to anything that has to do with Yoroba. As long as little Fulani remains an occupying force in big Yoroba land, no Nigerian takes Yoroba seriously in tough talking or stake holding.
 
Yoroba are what Igbo call ozoji nga aka tara (one who thumps on an already weakened hand/spot). Igbo land was already a weakened spot from economic blockade-induced hunger; Yoroba soldiers landed and played cowboys by massacring civilians and unarmed soldiers who were in retreat mode. Even at that, Obasanjo got a bullet on his ass, a sign that he was running away like a pathetic coward. It takes only a fat soul like Afis Afonshi Odidere to call such a man a hero.
 
Hero gbakwa oku, tufiakwa!    
 

Nebukadineze Adiele
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In a message dated 3/29/2014 8:31:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ogbuo...@yahoo.com writes:
This is for YOROBA "heroes"
Brigadier Ogundipe runs from an army sergeant, stows away to London where he exiled until his last day;


On Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:34 PM, Afis <odide...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
The first Yoruba Field Marshall.......Odua.

Omi eko is water on eko.
Eko is eko.
There are chemicals nowadays that separate the real from the diluted.

Those Yoruba swegbe that keep belittling their Heroes should go find a good shrink to help check the hole separating their left from right brains. 
You are making friends out of Igbos by degrading your Heroes. You are just the clown they need for that moment. 
If you dare to say one thing out of line against their own, the Igbos won't remember your Omo-Ale posture during the defiling of one of yours.
The Igbos defiling your heroes know why they are doing it. But joining them show how foolish those Yorubas have become.
Until any of these dumb ass Yorubas could tell me what they had gained from their pacifying the Igbos, until then I say check your heads.

By the way, Alagba Samuel Ayodele, if you drink only omi eko, you won't feel as satisfied and as belly-filled as drinking the real McCoy. Omi is omi any day.

OBJ is the real deal when it comes to peppering the Igbos. 
Igbo lynch mob planned with Atiku to remove him, OBJ removed four or five Senate Igbo Presidents, and killed one. That was my happiest moment!

 
The Ass-Whooping Yoruba General.
He whooped Igbo people's Ass from Enugu to Ivory Coast.

OBJ is a Yoruba hero, no matter what else he did or did not use his opportune political moments to do, no one can take his Heroism away from him.......
OBJ WAS ONE OF THE YORUBA GENERALS THAT WHOOPED THE COLLECTIVE BUTTOCKS OF THE GODDAMNED INYANMINRINS.

 
 
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If someone who claimed to be Owu son and claimed the marks are the key identification of true Owu son, do not have the mark, you need an ajoji to give the mark. If Afis is to go by his thesis on Owu tribal marks, then he needs to prove to us that he is not a bastard. So I second Alagba Onifade's suggestion about the credentials of the Akolas and it should be done in the public square.
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If someone who claimed to be Owu son and claimed the marks are the key identification of true Owu son, do not have the mark, you need an ajoji (strangers) to give the mark. If Afis is to go by his thesis on Owu tribal marks, then he needs to prove to us that he is not a bastard. So I second Alagba Onifade's suggestion about the credentials of the Akolas and it should be done in the public square.

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Afis:

If you are going to "pump up" Yoruba,  be smart enough to pump them on their strengths not their weaknesses.  You can deceive yourself all you want about your Field Marshal.

Also,  you have confirmed Peter Opara's long take about Obasanjo and his Dahomey/Republic of Benin's roots. 

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye



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Subject: Re: [OmoOdua] Re: [africanworldforum] RE: OBJ an Igboman?


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The first Yoruba Field Marshall.......Odua.

Omi eko is water on eko.
Eko is eko.
There are chemicals nowadays that separate the real from the diluted.

Those Yoruba swegbe that keep belittling their Heroes should go find a good shrink to help check the hole separating their left from right brains. 
You are making friends out of Igbos by degrading your Heroes. You are just the clown they need for that moment. 
If you dare to say one thing out of line against their own, the Igbos won't remember your Omo-Ale posture during the defiling of one of yours.
The Igbos defiling your heroes know why they are doing it. But joining them show how foolish those Yorubas have become.
Until any of these dumb ass Yorubas could tell me what they had gained from their pacifying the Igbos, until then I say check your heads.

By the way, Alagba Samuel Ayodele, if you drink only omi eko, you won't feel as satisfied and as belly-filled as drinking the real McCoy. Omi is omi any day.

OBJ is the real deal when it comes to peppering the Igbos. 
Igbo lynch mob planned with Atiku to remove him, OBJ removed four or five Senate Igbo Presidents, and killed one. That was my happiest moment!
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The Ass-Whooping Yoruba General.
He whooped Igbo people's Ass from Enugu to Ivory Coast.

OBJ is a Yoruba hero, no matter what else he did or did not use his opportune political moments to do, no one can take his Heroism away from him.......
OBJ WAS ONE OF THE YORUBA GENERALS THAT WHOOPED THE COLLECTIVE BUTTOCKS OF THE GODDAMNED INYANMINRINS.
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Lt Col. Ojukwu, the AWOL of the Federal soldiers, who led the Igbos to Royal Ass-Whooping.

I said it, now call in the Marines!
Shikena,
Afis
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OBJ: either an Igbo man or Yoruba man, omi eko eko ni.
 
Samuel Ayodele
 
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Subject: [OmoOdua] Re: [africanworldforum] RE: OBJ an Igboman?

Otitigbe, I am Owu. I know all of them.....Prince Ajibola, former AG.....OBJ, Gov Amosun, all are related.
Shikena,
Afis
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On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:12 PM, "Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe \(The Okatakyie Otitigbe of Africa\)" <otit...@oviri.com.ar> wrote:

Afis.
Except for your last two lines, if what you wrote is not a joke, it then must be credible.
Otitigbe.
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Tunji Timi Tola

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Gen Afis,
I hope you know that any Igbo who no sabi propaganda never graduated from univ of Chukwumerije.
When someone craves attention he/she would stop at nothing to claim anything claimable.

Igbo people never stop miscalculating. The fact that the Yoruba chastised OBJ made them to think we did so because we think he's not one of us, but igbos are mistaking as usual as they do not know that when the Yoruba chastises with one hand we draw the chastised with the other hand in love.

A dey sorry for them.
TTT

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Peter.
Do not make a mockery of Oduduwa why we debate his origin with our brother the Yoruba. He is a great historical figure that contributed to our civilization of today.
Otitigbe
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Idowu and all:
Tribal marks in Yorubaland does not have anything to do with absentee fatherism or  to claim ownership of a person. Yorubas do not treat human beings as possessions. I have tribal marks like my papa OBJ. My father, Ajayi Ogidiolu onikanga ajipon, obomi osuuru weda, eni Baba mi ba gba gba gba ti o le gba tan, igunugun ni gba oluwa re, baba mi aboju agada bi ina, bi ina, abeyin agada bi ida bi ida. Baba mi to n we lodo ti gbogbo omoge n yowo ose….Adaramodu temi ni ko mu, temi ni koo gba, Ayilewola Baba mi…..

Ajayi was never an absentee father for all his 8 kids all of us have/had tribal marks 3men and 5 women….

Tribal marks are mark of identity such as your current  id card which shows where you belong and it is very valuable in genealogy. 

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Jacob Jacob Jacob omo "onikanga ajipon" that must be the freshest water.

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sure Michael….

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The Ondo man will says "bo be", while what we call Ndigbo today (found mostly East of the Niger River)  will say "bianu be" or simply "bia"
Ekiti man will say "la", (others say "wa") which could be a variant of "Bia"
Omi is ondo  for river or water , mili or miri for Ndigbo and eri for ikale

 
 Old-Ondo is the Home of Aboriginal Igbo west of the Niger River
 
Igbo-Akiri (now known as Igbanke) was the last  of the many "Igbo-***" and "***-Igbo" named settlements west of the River Niger that retained an aboriginal Igbo dialect, which is comparable to Igbo in present SS and SE  Nigeria. Ondo people are aboriginal Igbo people.
  
Ondo people are Igbo aborigines colonised by Oduduwa (Oduduwarized) and Igbo Akiri is the link and evidence of this. Igbo-Akiri is by name and position (i.e west of the River Niger) linked to Ondo and Ijebu Igbo aborigines. When Oduduwa came to the region he didn't cross the River Niger for a  number of reasons 1) the belief that rivers are evil or end of the world or world/realm of the sprits, and  2) he didn't have a boat and a GPS. There are many Igbo aboriginal settlements spread across Ondo: Okeigbo, Igbo Ayeka, Igbo-Tako, Igbo-Ora, Igbo-Egunrin, Igbokoda, Igbobi, Igbo-Irunmole, Igbo-Oliki  and so on.. Google these names up. It wasn't strange for an Igbo town/settlement to name their stettlement with Igbo-something or something Igbo (eg Oke-Igbo or Igbo-koda). Rather it was common practice. That is why we still have Igbo-Akiri. Igbo-Akiri is the link. The Ondo people's ancestors although colonized by Oduduwa, were wise enough to retain their Igbo identity since they retained the "Igbo" in the names of their communities: Ijebu-Igbo, Okeigbo, Igbo Ayeka, Igbo Tako, Igbo Ora, Igbo-Egunrin, Igbokoda, Igbobi, Igbo-Irunmole, Igbo-Oliki  and so on ... there are quite a number of Igbo-something towns all over SW Nigeria if you take your time to search for them,  however the concentration of these is in Ondo.  Look at Ondo State towns/settlements and see for yourselves. Furthermore, below is a report on Ondo people sacking their monarch. This seems like Igbo behaviour (this is very much unlike Yoruba behaviour - the Yoruba prostrate, that is, they virtually kiss the floor when greeting their elders)
 
When Oduduwa ambushed and colonised the region he didn't colonise scare-crows (i.e.men made out of straw), No. He met Igbo aborigines in the land. Oke-Igbo, Igbokoda and other such Igbo aboriginal settlements lost their Igbo dialects however they still retained their "Igboness". In those days people didn't write on paper, so languages changed so easily over time especially as they were cut off from the rest of the Igbo, so the " Yoruba" language language was made from the mix of the aborigines' languages and Oduduwa's language. Yoruba language dominated the SW because it was Oduduwa's kingdom. Oduduwa who colonised these Igbo aborigines probably saw no need to change the names of these communities or just simply couldn't rename them. It is the same way, the English took over Scotland, Wales, Ireland. The Scotts lost their language but retained the name Scotland. Irish lost their language but their settlements still retained Irish names. Similarly the English took over the what is today called "Nigeria" and yes they gave them a new language called "English". Today the Igbo are making calls to save the "Igbo language", which is being replaced by English (or a variant of English - Engligbo?) See: "Saving Igbo language from extinction" Vanguard September 23, 2011 http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/saving-igbo-language-from-extinction/
The English might have corrupted their cultures but they couldn't change the origin of the peoples.
 
There are several other clues such as the names of foods as well as other words that have similarities both in spelling and in pronunciation (although Oduduwa's influence changed the sounds just as English pronounced Igbo as Ibo and Enugwu as Enugu and so on.... You have got similarities right there: Okuta and Okwute mean stone, and Ogede means banana in both languages. Furthermore the Ifa diety loved Kola nuts and we know what Kola nuts meant to the Igbo. Least but not last, it is important to mention that the New Yam festival is still practiced by Ondo people even though they lost their Igbo dialects. What is more interesting is that New-Yam festival is the main festival in Ondo (and not the celebration of Oba's birthday or the Oba's reign like you had the British Queen Elizabeth the 2nd's Jubilee lately), and New Yam festival is also practiced by Ndigbo. The link is staggering especially with Igbo-Akiri, the last of the ****Igbo and Igbo-***settlements west to the river Niger (that Oduduwa couldn't cross) to retain its Igbo dialect. Ondo people are Igbo aborigines who lost their Igbo dialects.
 

 

Ezechima, the last Prince of the Igbos of Ile Ife

We continue our exposse of the fact that the Igbos were the aborigins of Ile Ife, which today is the cradle of the Yoruba civilisation. With this excerpt:
“According to some stories, after Obatala (king of the aboriginal Igbos from the Nri area, who founded Ile-Ife) was driven from Ile-Ife after being defeated (by Oduduwa, leader of the Yoruba tribe, who came from the North) he went to live in exile with His ally, Obawinni, at the Igbomokun area, in today’s Ondo State. Obatala still challenged Oduduwa’s kingship through raids at night, legend has it, with the Igbo who had masks that made them look (scary). Peace was eventually restored when Moremi (a Yoruba woman from Offa, but married to a Yoruba man from Ile-Ife) discovered the secret of the masks.
EDITORIAL COMMENT
The Obatala kings had other titles, in Yoruba mythology. They include Orishanla, Obi Osere Igbo, Oshala, Oba Ala, Oshagiyan, Oshalufon, Orisha Oko, and Osha Funfun.
The Obatalas and their Igbos originally came from the Nri area. They founded their aboriginal base of Ife in an Ilu (official Equianoist sojourn that took them westwards).
The Obatala, who fell for Moremi’s charms was Obatala Oreluere. He was the father of Eze Chima, the Crown Prince of Ife, titular Prince of Benin, and the founder of the modern Anioma nation, and last titular prince of Benin.The name ‘Onitsha’ itself, is said to be a corruption of the Lukumi word, ‘Orisha’. Osha is a nickname for the Anioma town of Onitsha: note its similarity to the Obatala title, Osha Funfun.Note the Lukumi phrase, ‘regla de la Osha Lukumi’, used by Lukumi people who are now African Americans today, and note the Anioma communities, including the town of Olukwumi, that exist in Aniocha North LGA (in Igboland) today.
In Igbo history, Onitsha or Osha, is seen as the place where Prince Chima settled in, and built his new kingdom, after losing his princeship of Benin. This was after he lost Ile-Ife.According to the book, Equianoism, by Prince Charles Offokaja, he is said to have been the one who coined the term Anioma, for the Lukumi Igbo owned farms of the Niger-Delta, after a peace deal with Ogiso Owodo a powerful Benin chief, who subsequently became the first Oba of Benin.
Prince Chima, now Eze Chima installed his eldest son as the king of the new Isele Ukwu kingdom. He accepted the suzerainty of the pre-existing Igbo farm kingdoms like Agbor. He also founded new kingdoms, with his lieutenants as kings. He then settled in another kingdom which he founded- across the Niger, with the cooperation of the whole Igbo nation- called Onitsha Ado.
From the strategic point of Onitsha Ado n’Idu, he was able to put plant other Anioma communities east of the Niger while overseeing the communities west of the Niger.All this he did with the co-operation of the entire Igbo nation, who recognised their kinship with the Igbo aborigines of Ile-Ife, who were also called Lukumi. Hence “regla de la Osha Lukumi”, meaning “rule of the Osha Lukumi”.
It is no coincidence that the title of the King of Onitsha is Obi. Note: one of the ancient titles of the Obatala kings, ” Obi Osere Igbo”. Note the Osere title which exists today in Oguta, another Anioma town in Imo State.
The Anioma people have preserved their Obaship title legacy by having a monarchy whose title is “Oba of Ogbaland”, in Rivers State.
Sources:
Equianoism, by Prince Charles Offokajahttp://patachu.com/obatala/http://www.aborigineogboni.org/history.html?q=node/5
 
 
 
 
 
 KWENU: Our Culture, Our Future
Oduduwa: Saving history from ethnic propaganda
 
Chukwu Eke
Lagos, Nigeria
 
 
Tuesday, June 8, 2004
I do not know why the Yoruba are so unsettled by the recent claim made by the Oba of Benin to the effect that Oduduwa was a felon expelled from Benin kingdom. The story is not new. The Bini have known and told it before now. I know because I heard it two years ago from a Bini friend of mine. My friendship with the Bini prince has been oiled by my interest in the history of his people.
 
On that day I had asked him if, as the Yoruba claim, Eweka --  the first Oba of Bini after the dethronement of Ogiso -- was indeed a grandson of Oduduwa. The story he told me varied a little from the Oba's. In that conceit typical of the Bini, he chuckled sardonically before telling me that Oduduwa escaped from Bini prison and went on to found the Ife dynasty. Is it possible that the Yoruba have not heard this Bini version of Oduduwa story before now?  Or, is it a case of being rattled because the almighty Oba of Benin has lent his voice to it, raising it high to the bookshelves from mere mumbling of village folks. Even if the story is "revisionist"  as they claim, is it so difficult to swallow a little dose of their own pill of historical propaganda from the Bini?  
 
On the face of it, one can easily pitch one's tent with the Bini in this Oduduwa saga, as Oba Akiolu of Lagos has done. Besides having lesser of the Yoruba sin of making spurious historical claims, the Bini have at least identified Oduduwa with a real name, Ekalederhan, while the Yoruba Oduduwa remains a mythical entity without real name except the descriptive words used for him by the autochthonous Igbo he invaded and colonised.  But the Bini version also fails to achieve a clear historical perspective on the man and how he became the overlord over the natives of Southwest. As for the Yoruba version, it is exclusionist. It then follows that to know, not just the true Oduduwa but the ethno-cultural circumstances of Southwest before him, we must set aside the contending stories of the Bini and the Yoruba and go to reliable oral traditions and books written without tribe in  mind.
 
What indeed is the fact about Oduduwa? To answer this question we need to acquaint ourselves with the political development in Southwest Nigeria at about A.D. 1100.  According to Yoruba oral tradition, the aboriginal inhabitants of Southwest were the Igbo.
 
One morning, when the dews were still heavy on the leaves because the sun had not ascended their sky, they woke up to discover that their land had been invaded by a foreign army. The fight that ensued was fierce. The Igbo were brave, but the invaders had more sophisticated weapons of war. The Oyo and Ife areas which, it seems, did not have dense a population of the Igbo, were the first to fall to the enemy army. Here, in Ife to be exact, they established their headquarters, installed their leader as king,  and, as the Fulani, used the natives against their own in other parts.
 
In the Ekiti areas, where the Igbo were large, coherent, and strong, the invaders were given a good sum for their money. They were held back for a long time by the "Igbo warriors who masqued themselves with raffia," until they too capitulated, not to the superior fire power of the invaders but to the bottom power of a certain Moremi, who was to the Yoruba what Delila was to the Philistines.
 
Oduduwa was the leader of the invaders.
 
Having conquered the native Igbo of Southwest, Oduduwa appointed his lieutenant as Oba in all the towns and became the overlord of the Southwest. And "the defeat and conquest of the Igbo in Southwest Nigeria was celebrated by the Yoruba at the annual Eid festival." [See: The kingdom of the Yoruba, Robert Smith, 3rd edition, University of Wisconsin Press.]
 
Writing under the heading, The Igbo origin of Egba Yoruba, Ishaq Al-Sulaiman, an African American researcher, had this to say:
 
Southwest Nigeria marks the location of the present day Igbo tribe. However initially the Igbo were the rulers of the entire South including Southwest which is currently classified as Yoruba territory. The Yoruba first entered the Southwest part of Nigeria as invaders and coloniser of the original Igbo inhabitants.
 
On the spread of the Igbo, Dr. N. A. Fadipe wrote in his book, The Sociology of the Yoruba, thus:
 
It is tolerable certain that the Ekiti people, the greater bulk of Ijesa people and to some extent Ondo belong to this older culture group. It is possible that the group comprises much larger number of tribes than those just specified, which is to be regarded as minimum denotation term for the early wave of immigrant.         
 
 
 What is the meaning of Oduduwa? As I said earlier, the name Oduduwa or Odua for short is an Igbo phrase:  Odudu wa or Odu wa, all meaning  "their leader."  "Odudu" in Igbo is "one who leads" or "leader."  "Wa"  in Asaba Igbo and some other Igbo of Delta, Abia, and the Waawa area of Enugu and Ebonyi States is "them."  The "defeated Igbo of Southwest Nigeria" could have, on identifying the leader of their tormentors, say among themselves: "Nke a bu onyeodudu wa" or "Nke a bu Odu wa." (This  is their leader).
 
Anybody whose mind has not been foreclosed by ethnic bias must see this meaning more tenable than "knowledge of  how to behave,"  which some Yoruba meta-historians postulated as the meaning of Oduduwa.
 
The next question to consider is whether the Igbo colonised by Oduduwa and his people in the Southwest were of the same stock as the Igbo of Southeast and Southsouth. I was asked this question by the writer, Akin Adesokan, who is now living in the United States of America.
 
He traced his ancestry to the autochthonous  Igbo of Southwest but asked me if I thought his Igbo ancestor were of the same ethno-cultural makeup as my own Igbo of Southeast. My answer was "Yes" -- "because , in the first place  in the absence of written records going back to the childhood of the world when the Igbo emerged as a culture, scholars have been persuaded to treat linguistic relationships as providing by far the most dependable evidence of historical connection."  Thus wrote the erudite professor of history and the first indigenous awardee of doctorate degree by the University of Ibadan, Professor A. E. Afigbo.  I am convinced that I have been able to provide such linguistic connection between the Igbo of Southwest and the Igbo of Southeast and Southsouth.
 
But if the Yoruba think otherwise, I will still refer them to their friend, the poet and philosopher, Odia Ofeimum. In a thought provoking article he wrote recently, he had said among other things that "the Igbo and the Yoruba speak the same language apart from the borrowed words"  (the words brought in by Oduduwa). Unless they think also that the poet lied.
 
In addition, the Igbominas who are among the Southwest towns that retain their Igbo name, have another name - Omu Ara. They say it is in honour of their founder, a woman named Omu. `Omu' in Igbo means `one who gives birth' and by implication `woman'. In Ekiti State, there is still a town that celebrates New Yam Festival like their brothers in Southeast. These are besides the fact that the Igbo and the `Yoruba belong to the same language group - kwa.
 
Even the word "Yoruba"  metamorphosed from a derogatory phrase the Igbo had used for  the Oyo people. Before Oduduwa and his Oba put the whole Southwest to rout, the Oyo, who thought they were enjoying Oduduwa's civilisation, would call the Igbo "bush people."   The Igbo,  to pay them back their  insult, would call them "Oyo, Oru Oba'" (Oyo, slaves of the Oba). That is how the name Yoruba came about.
 
From the foregoing it is clear that the Oduduwa children have deliberately revised and falsified the history of Southwest Nigeria for the sole aim of covering the Igbo root of most Southwesterners, thereby denying Nigeria the long-sought-for unity. What unity could we not achieve if the Oduduwa people had not denied a larger population of Southwest people the  knowledge of their blood affinity with the Igbo of the Southeast. Would we not be having a real handshake across the Niger? But truth is like smoke which nobody buries and celebrates victory for a long time. It must surely show itself indomitable.
 
It is on this understanding that I think the The Comet Newspaper deserves our pity for the editorial they wrote on Monday, May 11, 2004. That editorial epitomised how lowly a people could go to falsify and revise history without recourse to any oral or written evidence. The writer must be one of the die-hard Yoruba Igbophobists, whose education has not purged them of the fear of the Igbo. Besides its glaring Igbophobia, the editorial was empty.
 
For instance, while it conjured up all the ancient city states under the sun and even those in Mars and claimed Yoruba affinity with them, it never mentioned Igbo. The only place it mentioned Igbo in brackets was as a disclaimer. It said that those the Oduduwa people invaded were "Ugbo" (not being able to discover that Igbo Ukwu arts had existed for more than four centuries before Ife/Benin, that Ife/Benin diffused from Igbo Ukwu and not the other way round.
 
My last words: history is no longer "myths that have no proofs but only can be believed by those who wish to believe them." History, oral or written, must be backed up by related disciplines of archeology, linguistics, and anthropology. 
Simply surprise yourself yonder
 
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Alagba Ajayi, same goes for any part of Yorubaland with Tribal marks. Only the father's compound or sub-Yoruba group where the father belongs, can draw marks on a child.
No mother in Yorubaland will dare go draw tribal marks on her child.

People like IdowuBobo are those Yoruba with no historical background or historical knowledge of their Yoruba people.
IdowuBobo opens his mouth gbau gbau like the shakabula used during the Ekiti parapo wars.
He expects me to buy into his foolishness, as he tries to ridicule Yoruba tradition.
I draw a line at some point that only I is aware of.
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What's that skia head Urhobo wayo man Otitigbe talking about? On your way back to Skia land - Urhogbo pause a while in Benin, and ask those around the Oba's palace whence hailed the oduduwa of a man. That is if you are that ignorant still. A runaway thief has no place of record in my part of the world. You may ask the Oba himself, if you're up to it. Look at them some Yoroba fools making heroes of cowards, amongst whom they tell fools who believe, is Obasanjo. I tell you any group of people who point to Obasanjo as a hero has no hero or do not understand the stuff of hero - which is indeed the problem of Yoroba in particular. Established cowards are their hero, just as a runaway thief is their progenitor. Nor be say dem talk say yeye dey smell?

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Peter KorofoHead Opara, Obasanjo that you called "a buffoon" was the one that whooped Inyanminrins buttocks, captured Igbos, took the flag of surrender from Effiong, chased Oxford graduate Imupeka Ojukwu out of his village into exile.
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OBJ called the "Buffoon" by Peter KorofoHead Opara, after whooping Male Igbos in war and politics, now trying to whoop an Inyanminrin lady with his BuraNtashi.......


Then after the war, in 1999, the same OBJ you called "a buffoon", used his buffoonery to remove four or five Igbo Senate presidents.
When a political scientist and PhD holder among the Igbo senate presidents by the name of Okadigbo, carried nose "ongbemu", it was this OBJ "a buffoon" that dealt with him.
Now if a Yoruba Buffoon could whoop Igbos collective Buttocks like Obasanjo did, supposed Yoruba decided to send in their Wisemen?

Aiperi sope oun lagba!
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The Ass-Whooping Yoruba General.
He whooped Igbo people's Ass from Enugu to Ivory Coast.

OBJ is a Yoruba hero, no matter what else he did or did not use his opportune political moments to do, no one can take his Heroism away from him.......
OBJ WAS ONE OF THE YORUBA GENERALS THAT WHOOPED THE COLLECTIVE BUTTOCKS OF THE GODDAMNED INYANMINRINS.

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afis the thief you need to be better informed. I repeat, a race that refers to crude brute this animal called man obasanjo their hero, neither has a hero nor do they understand the stuff of a hero. I say this man - Obasanjo ran from a front commanded by Ikemba himself at Oguta only for bullet to lodge in his buttocks. When next you see your hero, ask him to show you his buttocks. Coward. The other Yoroba "war hero" ugly Adekunle was nothing but absentee general, living it up in Lagos for 51 days at a stretch, while while Ukwuani man planned and executed every credit ugly Adekunle got. Yea. It took an Igbo on Nigeria's side to achieve anything all you slaves of Hausa/fulani achieved. Now, you ask what happened to that Igbo - Ukwuani Igbo who fooled himself into fighting for Nigeria. Even your ugly kinsman, what became of him? He had a little brain, so he was abandoned. The slave masters then picked the buffoon Obasanjo and used him to the hilt, including denying your papa the presidency, the ambition of his life. Not that your papa was qualified for anything other than ruling the tribe of Yoroba. But head slave Obasanjo, rubbed it in anyway, reason for Yoroba hatred and despise of the Obasanjo. Nor be so? Want a race to use for ill? Call Yoroba. race to use for evil? Call Yoroba. That simple. Evidence abound.

Hey, which "hero" strategised using charms and amulets to defeat the Boers in SA? You guessed it. Buffoon obasanjo! Hey, why is the man shunned by western dignitaries, who showed regard to him earlier? They found out he was a buffoon, only good at crookery, thievery...Yoroba way.

Only in Nigeria, a decrepit entity would a man like that have the light of day shine upon him. Only in Nigeria.

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We can chastise OBJ all we want, I cursed him too for his politics.......but those who are trying to move his Body away from Yorubaland are the same assholes that kept telling us Asiwaju Tinubu is not from Lagos, therefore he is not Yoruba enough to belong to Lagos. As if any of them are Omo Eko. Yinka Odumakin, Idowu Awosika, are they Omo Eko for real?
Alaralara kodun oun, iwo ni kio ku aisun koku airo........are they Lagosians? 

It is the tactics perfected by the Bastards among the Yoruba, and used for their personal interests to blackmail others into silence.

The Real Yoruba people must identify these signs and raise their voices to shut down these Bastards..
OBJ is a Yoruba Icon who helped whooped Inyanminrin buttocks during the Uncivil war.
He peppered Igbo asses from Enugu to Okirika come back.
That's facts.
Shikena,
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On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Tunji Timi Tola <rote...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Gen Afis,
I hope you know that any Igbo who no sabi propaganda never graduated from univ of Chukwumerije.
When someone craves attention he/she would stop at nothing to claim anything claimable.

Igbo people never stop miscalculating. The fact that the Yoruba chastised OBJ made them to think we did so because we think he's not one of us, but igbos are mistaking as usual as they do not know that when the Yoruba chastises with one hand we draw the chastised with the other hand in love.

A dey sorry for them.
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The first Yoruba Field Marshall.......Odua.

Omi eko is water on eko.
Eko is eko.
There are chemicals nowadays that separate the real from the diluted.

Those Yoruba swegbe that keep belittling their Heroes should go find a good shrink to help check the hole separating their left from right brains. 
You are making friends out of Igbos by degrading your Heroes. You are just the clown they need for that moment. 
If you dare to say one thing out of line against their own, the Igbos won't remember your Omo-Ale posture during the defiling of one of yours.
The Igbos defiling your heroes know why they are doing it. But joining them show how foolish those Yorubas have become.
Until any of these dumb ass Yorubas could tell me what they had gained from their pacifying the Igbos, until then I say check your heads.

By the way, Alagba Samuel Ayodele, if you drink only omi eko, you won't feel as satisfied and as belly-filled as drinking the real McCoy. Omi is omi any day.

OBJ is the real deal when it comes to peppering the Igbos. 
Igbo lynch mob planned with Atiku to remove him, OBJ removed four or five Senate Igbo Presidents, and killed one. That was my happiest moment!
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The Ass-Whooping Yoruba General.
He whooped Igbo people's Ass from Enugu to Ivory Coast.

OBJ is a Yoruba hero, no matter what else he did or did not use his opportune political moments to do, no one can take his Heroism away from him.......
OBJ WAS ONE OF THE YORUBA GENERALS THAT WHOOPED THE COLLECTIVE BUTTOCKS OF THE GODDAMNED INYANMINRINS.

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And OBJ doesn't have the guts to remove anyone in the SMC when he was Head of state.  And Obj was so scared he Will be overthrown he quickly handed over to Shagari. And Obj was so scared he will be killed in 1998 that it required the intervention of Babangida and Danjuma to assure him of his safety. Ditto in 1976. Do you truly know your history? 

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Subject: Re: [OmoOdua] Re: [africanworldforum] RE: OBJ an Igboman?


Peter KorofoHead Opara, Obasanjo that you called "a buffoon" was the one that whooped Inyanminrins buttocks, captured Igbos, took the flag of surrender from Effiong, chased Oxford graduate Imupeka Ojukwu out of his village into exile.
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OBJ called the "Buffoon" by Peter KorofoHead Opara, after whooping Male Igbos in war and politics, now trying to whoop an Inyanminrin lady with his BuraNtashi.......


Then after the war, in 1999, the same OBJ you called "a buffoon", used his buffoonery to remove four or five Igbo Senate presidents.
When a political scientist and PhD holder among the Igbo senate presidents by the name of Okadigbo, carried nose "ongbemu", it was this OBJ "a buffoon" that dealt with him.
Now if a Yoruba Buffoon could whoop Igbos collective Buttocks like Obasanjo did, supposed Yoruba decided to send in their Wisemen?

Aiperi sope oun lagba!
Shikena,
Afis
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On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:36 PM, peter opara <ogbuo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

YOROBA heroes
 
This for YOROBA "heroes"
Brigadier Ogundipe runs from an army sergeant, hides in a boat from which he stows away to London where he exiled until his last day;
Adekunle of kill anything that moves sends his war weary and wounded soldiers to the front - Yoroba all - where a thousand of them perish in one hour  battle;
Adekunle, the absent general freaks out;
removed from command, replaced by tactless, brainless buffoon named Olusegun Obasanjo - today the burden of Nigeria - who became known as the only commander ever to sustain bullet wound in his buttocks - running away from battlefield; pens a book of lies, fiction and contrivances that should have been titled "my NO command;
Ona kaa kanfor of YOROBA land - Abiola, wins election runs away to agitate for his mandate in foreign land; joined by young YOROBO rebuked by none other than Madiba Mandela to return to Nigeria and fight; fighters indeed the young Yoroba were, they demanded Abiola insure their lives before they could go home to fight; they plead and beg Igbo to join them in a battle they could not fight; Abacha dies, and today the born cowards tell they fought Abacah to a stop.
 
That is how YOROBA heroes are made.
 
Never knew heroes are made out of COWARDS.
 
But there you have it looking at them YOROBA heroes.
 
On , peter opara <ogbuo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is for YOROBA "heroes"
Brigadier Ogundipe runs from an army sergeant, stows away to London where he exiled until his last day;


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afis the thief pray for another conflagration to try complete what your hero started...you lead the charge at your end, as I am sure to lead the charge at my end...then you watch that your fat adipose tissue filled tommy punctured for a start.....

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Peter: Everything you wrote may be correct based on your research of Yorobas. Which country has Yorobas? FYI the Yorubas of Western Nigeria and diaspora in Brazil, Cuba, Argentina and the forest regions of West Africa do not and have never exhibited your write up of Yorobas.
How come I know this firsthand? My progenitors are Yorubas and I am very honored to be one.

Peter, you should thank God for Nigeria project, if anybody wrote or has written or will write anything malicious about Yorubas or that will bring Yoruba people to disrepute, such people would have been captured and sold off into captivity and their habitation be turned into birds' nests and grazing grounds for the beasts of the field by the powers of my fathers(awon Baba mi to bi mi lomo)!

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Peter.
Wake up. We are the same people. We are the same race. We are from the same family. We jsut spraead as years grew and ages past. There is a common gene in us. We have now come to know each other. We can debate, we can get annoyed with each other. After digging into Yoruba customs and tradition as an Urhobo man, I have concluded that from Sudan to Morocco, we are the same family. Our extended family goes to Ethiopia. The farthest include Northern Africa that has been mixed with Europeans and Arabs due to invasion.
Otitigbe.

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Why regretting not having a tribal marks!!! Don't you have a marker? lol!!!! Have a blessed week ojare.
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Alagba Onifade, most Owu people have outlawed tribal marks long ago. 
The only tribal marks not outlawed are the ones usually drawn on the right ribcage of every first born of the King, a heir apparent. 

Owu has the most educated and most enlightened citizens than all other Egba communities.
Even our tribal marks are the most thinly drawn that one can hardly observe the marks on the wearer's cheeks.

I would have loved to have it on my cheeks, but........he get as he be?
Shikena,
Afis
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On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Kolawole Onifade <kol_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Alagba Afis,

I have not observed any Owu tribal marks on your cheeks o!

I therefore call for the necessary agboile ritual of drawing an authentic Owu tribal mark on your cheeks. The team to do so will be led by Alagba Odumakin who will " fa ila naa".

Lobatan!


Kola/ 

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You people are quite silly.. no Igbo proper would like to identify OBJ as Igbo. OBJ is a thief and a murderer.
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We can chastise OBJ all we want, I cursed him too for his politics.......but those who are trying to move his Body away from Yorubaland are the same assholes that kept telling us Asiwaju Tinubu is not from Lagos, therefore he is not Yoruba enough to belong to Lagos. As if any of them are Omo Eko. Yinka Odumakin, Idowu Awosika, are they Omo Eko for real?
Alaralara kodun oun, iwo ni kio ku aisun koku airo........are they Lagosians? 

It is the tactics perfected by the Bastards among the Yoruba, and used for their personal interests to blackmail others into silence.

The Real Yoruba people must identify these signs and raise their voices to shut down these Bastards..
OBJ is a Yoruba Icon who helped whooped Inyanminrin buttocks during the Uncivil war.
He peppered Igbo asses from Enugu to Okirika come back.
That's facts.
Shikena,
Afis

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On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Tunji Timi Tola <rote...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Gen Afis,
I hope you know that any Igbo who no sabi propaganda never graduated from univ of Chukwumerije.
When someone craves attention he/she would stop at nothing to claim anything claimable.

Igbo people never stop miscalculating. The fact that the Yoruba chastised OBJ made them to think we did so because we think he's not one of us, but igbos are mistaking as usual as they do not know that when the Yoruba chastises with one hand we draw the chastised with the other hand in love.

A dey sorry for them.
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Okechukwu,

Of what use is "You people are quite silly" in your message? In actual fact the message made more sense without it because who the "You people" are is not clear. On the other hand, " . . . no Igbo proper would like to identify OBJ as Igbo. OBJ is a thief and a murderer", is clear.

Ayo Ojutalayo


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The way people say Igbo is this, Yoruba is that .. is actually quite boring... It becomes even more boring when you see that they people always look for differences rather than similarities. Maybe I will find it interesting again in a few months. Please I had decent Yoruba people as friends as a child, so many of the Yoruba people here spewing trash are actually nothing like those friends. I have been observing this for 10 years+ counting. Don't you people get tired of it all? Nobody, I repeat, nobody has monopoly of insults - and even if "Nigerians" can't produce useful things like cars or phones like peoples of the civilised and progressive societies, they can at least insult... but I'm not sure of what these insults are meant to achieve except for annoy each other. Every group feels the other group is setting the other backwards. They should just divide Nigeria in peace so that everybody finds his feet. Look at GEJ and his so called national confab with "no-go areas". How do you expect to resolve matters with No go areas. People in the South feel that Northern census figures are fraud - so if GEJ could force Festus Odimegwu to resign for alleging fraudulent figures, and you can't negotiate the peaceful breakup of Nigeria when you agree to disagree, so what then do you hope to achieve with the confab? Then they started fighting about the rules of how to run a conference whether 75% or two-thirds - They couldn't even agree on the rules. Then they brought in Muslis vs Christians. It is funny, but then it is sad. I am waiting for Nigeria to pack up, and one day I could visit a friend in Ogbomoso - and we don't have to say, foolish Igbo man or foolish Yoruba man because of today's politics. Obasanjo is Igbo or Yoruba.. so bloody hell what, the man is enjoying his life with his Otta farm. Have you looked at his farm? Have you listened to him speak and the way he has a bad command of English? So where did such a person get the money to build such a farm? - Look at you, if you like be there debating whether he is Yoruba or Igbo when he is enjoying himself, and when he will be treated majestically in Yorubaland or Igboland. FYI OBJ has no problem whatsoever - once he worried about being lynched by the masses, but sooner he realized that "Nigerians" are bloody cowards. Let us divide Nigeria in peace so that people like OBJ, IBB, Buhari etc won't be laughing at us.
On Thursday, 3 April 2014, 15:27, Ayo Ojutalayo <ayooju...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Okechukwu,

Of what use is "You people are quite silly" in your message? In actual fact the message made more sense without it because who the "You people" are is not clear. On the other hand, " . . . no Igbo proper would like to identify OBJ as Igbo. OBJ is a thief and a murderer", is clear.

Ayo Ojutalayo



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"OBJ has no problem whatsoever - once he worried about being lynched by the masses, but sooner he realized that "Nigerians" are bloody cowards. Let us divide Nigeria in peace so that people like OBJ, IBB, Buhari etc won't be laughing at us." - Okechuckwu Okonjo

LOL!  Yep Bloody cowards we've been, but not any more soon.
Good points you raised though.
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Okechukwu,

I agree with you. Until some "silly" people stop reminding us of the civil war (as if it is not over,) we won't stop reading "silly" things.

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That's funny!
And if the tides change for the worse, I can erase the marker and Farashoko.
Got you, Alagba Adejumo.
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Okonjo minus Iweala, you manage your thieves, murderers, and scoundrels.......and if no Nigeria, watch what Yoruba will do to ours.
But as long as Nigeria is together together jagajaga, OBJ is a war hero that beat down, whooped that ass of Inyanminrins.
On his whooping of Inyanminrin ass we stand.
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Afis the Ethnic:

 

Were you a reading man, I will have recommended you read, “The Tragedy of Victory” by retired Brigadier-General, Godwin Alabi Isama following which, you will be compelled to revise your priors on the coward who was shot on the buttocks while running away from the war front in the heat of battle.

 

LOL!

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

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That is a must read for the coward, moronic Yoroba who deem crude brute obasanjo his hero. Hero kee.

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I don't know why Igbos feel concerned to tell us how stupid or how cowardly OBJ was, on the battlefront. The more they post their brainiac-propaganda, the more they are showing how Dumb they must have been.
If a coward received the Flag of surrender from a defeated and humiliated RagTag Army, what then can we call that Biafran Army?
If I was beaten by an Eskimo in a wrestling match, I would be the last man to announce it to the world.

.......And while OBJ the coward was running away and Igbos wooden guns were blazing, and Igbos were throwing bombs at him with barehands, Dr Asagwara, OBJ was still able to fast-track the Igbo Flag of Surrender. That in itself is a feat.

Methinks, even when Yoruba sent a coward, a fool like OBJ to capture Igbos, the job still got done. Me wonder if it is necessary to send our best soldiers. It may amount to waste of resources,

OBJ is a Yoruba hero, no matter what else he did or did not do, no one can take his Heroism away from him.......
OBJ WAS ONE OF THE YORUBA GENERALS THAT WHOOPED THE COLLECTIVE BUTTOCKS OF THE GODDAMNED INYANMINRINS.

And the book of Isama or Book of Eli? 
Dump it into the Delta Creeks.
Shikena,
Afis
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Peter KorofoHead Opara, Obasanjo that you called "a buffoon" was the one that whooped Inyanminrins buttocks, captured Igbos, took the flag of surrender from Effiong, chased Oxford graduate Imupeka Ojukwu out of his village into exile.
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OBJ called the "Buffoon" by Peter KorofoHead Opara, after whooping Male Igbos in war and politics, now trying to whoop an Inyanminrin lady with his BuraNtashi.......


Then after the war, in 1999, the same OBJ you called "a buffoon", used his buffoonery to remove four or five Igbo Senate presidents.
When a political scientist and PhD holder among the Igbo senate presidents by the name of Okadigbo, carried nose "ongbemu", it was this OBJ "a buffoon" that dealt with him.
Now if a Yoruba Buffoon could whoop Igbos collective Buttocks like Obasanjo did, supposed Yoruba decided to send in their Wisemen?

Aiperi sope oun lagba!
Shikena,
Afis
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afis the thief, you have a lot to be ashamed of. One you are a thief, two, you are ignorant. Were you asked to visit the book by retired Brigadier General Alabi Isama? That will do your imbecility a world of good. You will see that a man who marched your sick, tired and wounded kinsmen to the front when they were not up to it, and 1000 of them were mowed down in One Hour of fire b "inyamirins" could not be deemed a hero by an informed, knowledgeable person. Neither would an informed and knowledgeable person deem such whipping of "inyamirin's ass". Ummm, afis the thief, the ignoramus, the imbecile? You and your ilk need to know there has been a war in Nigeria yet. When that come comes to become, we know the group that will not be able to fight their way out of a paper bag. Yoroba. Yea. Yoroba.

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