Re: WHY IGBOS SHOULDN'T MARRY NON-IGBOS

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Ayo Ojutalayo

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James Agazie, "The worst thing that has ever happened is that folks like you who should have been aborted through a process of natural selection managed to survive nature's way of ensuring dirty genes that folks like you carry do not enter and pollute the human gene pool. I doubt if you hold a PhD from a bonafide institution of higher learning!" . . . Ola Kassim

Everybody queries this guy's PhD. Unless he indicates where he got the PhD from, and we investigate, I will never believe the PhD is genuine. Even a first degree holder should be ashamed of the ideas James Agazie is proud to own.
 
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Subject: Re: WHY IGBOS SHOULDN'T MARRY NON-IGBOS

Mazi Agazie.
Na waah for this your suggestion that Igbos should only marry from Igbo families. So you do not want the Igbos to bring into our families through marriage, such traits we admire from people other than the Igbos.   
I do not see any prospect in your suggestion because the Igbos of yesteryears did not stick strictly to your eugenics. A lot married from other tribes.
Today, and  in a global  world such as we live in, it will be an absurdity to expect an Igbo man, born and raised in Lagos   not to marry a Yoroba woman, if it is what he wants.
What about asking all Igbos living and doing business in other tribes of Nigeria to pack and go home. That may be the only way to avoid a mixing of Igbo  and Yoruba. Am afraid your idea is dead on arrival because unlike a lot of other Nigerian tribes,  most Igbos do know that every part of Nigeria is a home. 
We cannot live and get rich in Lagos or Kanu and feel their women are not worthy of being our ( Igbo) family members.
I believe intermarriage between all the tribes of Nigeria will enhance a more cordial inter tribal love.
Your " do not marry a Yoruba  woman, if you are Igbo " agenda, based on some of the reasons you gave can also be translated into advising an Orlu man not to marry from Owerre or Ngwa because we can always find some good reasons to preach that.
More on this later. 
In the interim, we Igbos should be gearing for 2 or more Igbo wives per man if we won't let a Yoruba marry our daughters for fear of giving away some of Igbo desirable traits to another tribe.
This your essay will cause some rains here. 
Dan
On Oct 11, 2014 8:51 PM, "olakassimmd via OkonkwoNetworks" <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 
Agazie:
 
Please stop sending your garbage into my private mail box!
 
You are not only a disgrace to the Igbo, you are a disgrace to all
humanity.
 
You are a good example of a neantherthal born hundred of thousands
of years too late for his intended sojourn on planet earth.
 
The Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa and all probably other Nigerian ethnic goups have been inter-marrying probably long before  your own parents were conceived and yet the world has not collapsed.
The worst thing that has ever happened is that folks like you who should have been aborted
through a process of natural selection managed to survive nature's way of ensuring dirty genes
that folks like you carry do not enter and pollute the human gene pool.
 
I doubt if you hold a PhD from a bonafide institution of higher learning!
 
Bye,
 
Ola

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WHY IGBOS SHOULD MARRY ONLY IGBOS
By Dr. James C. Agazie, james...@gmail.com
Special thanks go to Sir Victor Anyanwu for strongly emphasizing the importance of Igbos marrying only Igbos. Congratulations to two Igbos Dr. Ijeoma Anyanwu and Engineer Gene Nwamkpa  on a successful Traditional Marriage Ceremony (Igba Nkwu) held OCTOBER 4, 2014
Nigeria is rapidly becoming a miscellaneous nation. Miscellaneous comes from Latin miscellus, meaning mixed and is derived from miscere, to mix. This essay is suggesting that Ndiigbo should realize the importance of marrying only members of their tribe rather than finding spouses outside the Igbo tribe.
1.      Igbo marriages emphasize obligations forming social linkages leading to stability and a strong family
2.      Yoruba marriages are lacking in stability and have high rates of divorce   
3.      Marriages are notoriously unstable among the Hausas and Kanuris
The mixing of the Nigerian bloodlines  (particularly the Igbos with Hausas, and Yorubas)  in a  spot as tiny as Nigeria with no serious efforts made to understand the consequences of such ostentatious blending of incompatibles, has created a nation that is increasingly impossible to govern. A miscellaneous Nigeria is a melting pot that breeds discontent, discomfort, and disorientation. Difficulties arise from too many maledictions (a term used for curses or public denunciations meant to bring disgrace to a person or thing). My country Nigeria has been denounced for mismanagement, misrule, misappropriation of public funds, and malice. Nigeria is a miscegenation defined as uneasy blending of incompatibles through marriage, cohabitation, or social learning.
It is difficult to expect to peacefully govern the intelligent and adventurous Igbos along with the timid, idolatrous and dishonest Yorubas who have the habit of causing confusion in government. It is more difficult to expect to rule the highly structured and disciplined Igbos  in the company of lackadaisical and religiously fanatical and violent Hausas and Kanuris .  Sir Lugard and the British foresaw the difficulty ruling Nigeria would create and so they did what one would to do in such complex situations involving contentious and cantankerous children. The British instituted the “divide and rule” administration and took to their heels.  
Igbos may fare better when their blood is kept pure and undiluted.  Ndigbo may derive benefits  from marrying  among themselves and sticking strictly to eugenics . Eugenics is defined as the social movement claiming to improve the genetic features of human populations through selective breeding . First advocated by Sir Francis Galton, cousin of Charles Darwin, eugenics theory focuses on preserving factors that improve future generations through biological engineering.
 In the case of Nigeria, we should maintain the constitutional, physical or mental perspicacity of the Igbos.  Perspicacity is sharpness or wisdom. Igbos marrying Igbos may improve the genetic composition of future Igbos and reclaim Igbo preeminence of the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. The Igbos appear to be losing their competitive edge as a result of mixing freely with the other tribes biologically through intermarriage or socially through copying the violent and nomadic life of (Hausas) and the ultra-superstitious life of Yorubas . We advocate keeping the Igbo tribe pure by encouraging adventuresome and educated Igbo men to  marry young female Igbo girls raised by strong Igbo parents. The idea is to produce thoughtful offspring with strong mental  and psychological characteristics typical of Igbo tribe.  While we welcome other tribes trading with Igbos, we frown upon intermarriages. Although we encourage trades between Ndiigbo and other tribes, we prefer keeping the Igbo tribe pure and unadulterated through self-contained marriages in order to ensure we maintain Igbo superiority for generations to come. Call us bigots or racists/tribalists if you choose. We stand our ground.
There is a great influx of nomadic tribes from across Northern Nigeria’s  porous borders. These tribes  might not be able to adjust to a democratic environment  that is Nigeria. Consider the boko haram insurgency whose influence appears to be contributory to the current Nigeria’s upheaval and insecurity. The situation is rendered more absurd when persons from peaceful Ndigbo tribe attempt to marry Fulani murderous criminals with boko haram characteristics. Such marriages have the potential to   dilute Igbo genetic make-up.  It is time we set up the Ndigbo Genetic Foundation to undertake scientific study of the genetic relationship of various factors that can have destructive influences on the general well-being of Ndiigbo .
Can there be a reason for endemic poverty in Northern Nigeria; for Igbo love of adventure and persistence in business; for Muslims’ religious fanaticism and  love of strife wherever the soles of Hausa touch; for  violent  Kanuri islamization; for Fulani nomadness; for Yoruba fetishes and  obsessive interest  in body parts? Adhering to eugenics will enable Ndigbo to avoid the pitfalls associated with miscegenation. Ndiigbo ought to  marry only Igbos;  Ndiigbo ought to refuse to intermarry with the other tribes in order to help improve the Igbo genetic pool and ensure Igbo safety at a decidedly perilous time.
 At the current rate at which Nigerian tribes are intermarrying among themselves, we run the risk of becoming a miscellaneous entity. We are all mixed up, consisting of several kinds. We come in various disquieting characteristics as a box of miscellaneous crayons. A thing is disquieting if it is worrying, disturbing, alarming, unsettling, troubling, distressing,  “haywire,” or “out of wack.” Something  appears to have gone wrong,  emotionally wrong, or mentally bad with Nigerian society).  Because we are miscellaneous, Nigerian children produced from intertribal marriages appear to have disorganized personalities, incoherent abilities, rambling capabilities, disjointed attitudes, and disorderly world views. Their  intelligence quotients are falling as reported from results of the West Arican Examination Council. Their sensibilities are weakening an morality vanishing. They behave miscellaneously with a variety of tendencies some of which will assimilate, some will clash, and others will render the others dangerously ineffective. Miscellaneousness (state of being a mixed composition of various kinds) can be a benefit when creating beautiful music or arranging   beautiful flowers. Miscellaneousness  is good in inanimate objects such as plants, music, soups, and dances.  Miscellaneousness is bad with human attitudes, behaviors, and personalities. Igbos fare better when left alone to marry within their tribe without mixing with the blood of enemies.
There are  evils  associated with wrongful  miscegenation in the Nigerian context: The quality of the Igbo tribes is watered down when Igbos acquire  more and more Hausa character in dressing and language. Like Hausas, the Igbos once Yorubanized , Fulanized, or Hausanized, will  abandon “hedgeucation (education as an hedge against poverty and ignorance). The adulterated Igbo  may pursue Hausa life of vagabondage/rootlessness,  shiftlessness  and having little concern for family life and the future. The adulterated Igbo may acquire the Yoruba-like  life of reckless abandon. The Igbos, once adulterated with blood of other tribes, may cease being  the enviable tribe they once were. From the Yorubas, the Igbo child may acquire the lying tongue, the 419 and Yoruba habit of dealing in confusion. The child with a mixture of Igbo and Yoruba bloods is more likely than not to stand under the bridge to sell junks in the belief he would be a mansion-owning landlord/trader. Adulterated  Igbo may  abandon education in the hope of becoming future Dangote or Premier Awolowo, or the Emir of Kano by standing under the bridge when Lagos school is in session.  The Yorubanized Igbo child is the new akata (rolling stone) on the block.  The Hausanized Igbo child is the nkata (empty basket) on the loose. All in all, the   prognosis of the offspring of Igbo-Hausa or Igbo-Yoruba parentage is dim and being condemned to poverty, illiteracy, or shiftlessness. Mixing of Igbo, Yoruba, or Hausa bloods may cause so much impairment it is best let Ndiigbo to go their separate ways and marry only Ndiigbo. We insist that Igbos marry only other Igbos  in order to keep the Ndiigbo pure, separate, unblemished, flawless.  
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  "Igbo marriages emphasize obligations forming social linkages leading to stability and a strong family " [Jmaes Agazie]

The above statement alone makes the rest of the write up by James Agazie irrelevant, baseless and full of lies. For unless James can produce data to substantiate the statement, nothing is further from the truth. In fact, here in USA, a close observation will show that marriages among the Igbos (ie between Igbos) are unstable, full of anger, bitterness with the nurturing needs of the children often ignored by Igbo mothers who instead opt to making money so as to build mansions and to buy cars for their families in Nigeria with the hope that doing so will bring the love that they never received from the families!  A psychological mess that Dr. Osuji et al will better explain. In fact, by my observation, this situation is worse among the Igbos from Anambra/Enugu States where women are generally treated without love and respect by their families and the society they grew from. A society that essentially treats women like properties!  Thus, when they get married, they erroneously believe that by giving money and material things to the families, they will now get the love and respect they needed but were denied.  This situation is not new. While in school, girls from Anambra/Enugu States often speak about marriage as opportunity to make money. One rarely hears such a thing from Imo/Abia girls. From my personal observation here in USA, Imo/Abia ladies will make several sacrifices for their children and do respect their husbands, regardless. Not so with Anambra/Enugu ladies. Many will emotionally hurt their children (often as a way to get back to their husbands). In divorce, many Anambra/Enugu women will focus on what is there for them, not what is there for the children.  In fact, many see child support as (for them!) Again, as in many cases, there are exceptions on both sides and as always, I respect many Anambra/Enugu women who have shown unflinching love and affection to their children and husbands, regardless!  My mother was one of these few and I am forever indebted! I also have an utter disdain for Imo/Abia women who neglect the nurturing needs of Their children and families.

James is wrong. In fact, most Igbo men who have done well in their professions and personal lives have been those who married from other tribes/nationalities. I admit, I do not have any study to substantiate but mere observation and experience from my friends and acquaintances.

I totally reject Jame's apparent disregard for other Nigerian tribes. He cannot provide any documentation that shows that marrying within tribes sustains the good! 

It is clear that James does not even understand what happens in the Igbo land that he purports to "defend". A defense that is essentially self-serving! He should be ignored and discharged!

Joe
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James Agazie, "The worst thing that has ever happened is that folks like you who should have been aborted through a process of natural selection managed to survive nature's way of ensuring dirty genes that folks like you carry do not enter and pollute the human gene pool. I doubt if you hold a PhD from a bonafide institution of higher learning!" . . . Ola Kassim

Everybody queries this guy's PhD. Unless he indicates where he got the PhD from, and we investigate, I will never believe the PhD is genuine. Even a first degree holder should be ashamed of the ideas James Agazie is proud to own.
 
Ayo Ojutalayo

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" . . . na who wan marry una sef. Abeggy commot for road make I waka pass." . . . Omogbe

I hope our friends from across the Niger read this.

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Nothing is by force, na who wan marry una sef. Abeggy commot for road make I waka pass. This is how hitler started.


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Brethren,
Marriage in every sense is purely based on people that understand themselves in every ramification. The marriage between the race that have the same culture and tradition produces the best result. Igbos marrying from their core race is the best qualified and very productive to avoid any contamination of bad NDA from non Igbo race. Igbos marrying non Igbo in Nigeria should be avoided at all cost, if you do not know it, you better know now. Every Igbo man and women have been encouraged to marry from their race to avoid any contamination of the DNA. There are many things forbidden by the Igbo customs and traditions, we cannot make them public to any of you non Igbo period. Anybody who does not belong to Igbo race should leave the issue of marriage concentrated purely on Igbo marrying Igbo issue period. It is not tribalistic but avoiding contamination. You can call it anything, we do not give a dam, it must be implemented at all cost. In the old testament, Hebrews were restricted from marrying outside Hebrew race to avoid contamination of blood and importation of foreign gods the same applies to Ndi Igbo. It has being constituted and respected for ages therefore people should respect it the way it is. Our men can marry from the white folks if they like but not from any other tribe in Nigeria, it is going down and backward and also contamination of DNA because we are better than them in anything come together. We must take our tradition and custom very serious at all cost. Mazi Daniel have spelled it out, if you have ear let you hear and make no mistake about it.
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“Brother Dan: Why are you so obsessed with this your Igbo men marrying multiple wives…” Ezii
 

Simple answer, Dan has a wife in Nigeria and another one in USA as he has confessed here before, so when it is said that polygamy is not advisable or that God detest polygamy, it struck him deep in the heart because he is right in the middle of it.
 

That is the simple reason why he is not comfortable with anything against polygamy, he is a participant and a participant always find a way to be promoting what he is indulging in or what he is participating in.
 

Case closed on this one.
 

Ken.
 

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On Sunday, October 12, 2014 6:01 PM, "Ezi Ochieke och...@yahoo.co.uk [igbo_forum]" <igbo_...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Brother Dan:

You are still deviating even more and more
from Brother James Agazie's issue of non-mixing
of Igbo genes with non-Igbo. You have failed to
explain how Igbo men marrying multiple Igbo wives
addresses Agazie's main thrust of "non-mixing of
Igbo genes with those of non-Igbo tribes." Period!

Instead, you rehashed the same argument justifying
polygamy, which you have made a few times, already.

Agazie is not arguing in favor of, or against
polygamy. He is, neither, talking about Igbo men
practicing polygamy with Igbo women. Therefore,
I wish you would go back, and begin to address
Agazie's non-mixing issue. That is the point.

Peace,
"Ezii"
(the way)

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Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2014, 18:31

Subject: Re: WHY IGBOS SHOULDN'T MARRY NON-IGBOS

Ezii
Igbos probably have more women ready for marriage than Igbo men available and willing  to marry them. A lot of these beautiful babes will be single forever if we have to insist that our ladies should not marry outside  Igbo tribe.
I fear the magnitude of loneliness and care that may not be there when needed, when these babes get to age 60 years or more.
Dan feels any woman that wants to marry should be able to find a man.
Since there are possibly more single ladies than available men, common sense dictates that we find a way out to ensure some psychosocial security for our sisters and mates later in life. Agazie may have alluded to this in his eugenic deposition. 
Arithmetic dictates that some of us may get one and a half and we let the more greedy ones like Ken and Emeka and Aluko and Jerome get as many as three respectively. In that way, a lot of our singles may not suffer reproach latter in life. ( read Isaiah chapter 4)
Care concerns informs most of my personal takes on some issues of  human concerns.
I hate to see anyone suffering when there are are some people available and willing to help but constrained by Western selfish ideologies about marriage.
I live with one woman, Ngo, my wife, and I care for some other women that need my help sometimes.
Dan


On Oct 12, 2014 11:25 AM, "Ezi Ochieke" <och...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Brother Dan:

Why are you so obsessed with this your Igbo
men marrying multiple wives as the solution to
Igbo women not marrying outside the Igbo tribe?

Brother Agazie was talking about the "non-mixing
of the Igbo and other tribes." Period! He was not
talking about Igbo women (only) marrying non-Igbo
men. So, at what point did you lose the thrust of
Agazie's gist? Or do you believe that Agazie is
going to consider letting Igbo men to marry the
Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri wives, but no Igbo
women marrying from those tribes?

At any rate, I have asked before: Since you are
so passionate about this your multiple wives
theory, what is stopping you from practicing what
you preach for others to do? Or is it that you are
not a qualified Igbo man to marry multiple wives?
If so, why not? Yes, please tell us why your
credentials as an "Igbo" man do not qualify you
to marry nine "Igbo" wives like the headmaster of
my primary school did. 

I know that you have indicated previously that
you write, also, to entertain. But I doubt that
Agazie is writing to entertain. I think he believes
in what he is saying, granted that the man cannot
possibly be serious. But his position makes him
happy. So, we'll let him be. No harm, no foul.

At any rate, I leave you fine brethren in love,
kindness and compassion. Remain blessed.

Peace,
"Ezii"
(the way)

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Subject: Re: WHY IGBOS SHOULDN'T MARRY NON-IGBOS

Green.
Good morning.
I think Mazi Agazie was trying to raise some issues on  cultural behaviors and stereotypes in that essay.
He mentioned some reasons such as divorce rate being higher in Yoruba marriages , snoozing while married also being high in Yoruba marriages than in Igbo.
These are some concerns he raised we can talk about.
I have an uncle in Lagos. He had and raised all his 6 boys in Lagos, they all went to college in Lagos, and 3 of them are now married and living happily with their Yoruba wives.
They must have seen some marriageable   Igbo girls, their mother must have advised them to marry Igbo women. They all refused, citing that there is no difference and some other reasons. We could not stop them.
This is a trend no one can stop.
There is  ure ( find what they call this in english) I think some romantic joy between two families brought together by marriage when people of same tribe marry each other.  A lot of us witnessed it, hence a saying, ogo madu wu nwa nne ya, ( A person's
in -law becomes his brother) . This is what one may miss when our kids marry Akata.
This is what a lot of us, 50 year olds and more would get by telephone talks instead of communal visits and interactions when our boys and girls leave home for marriage,  if they marry outside Nigerian families.
Would this hurt?
What can we do when indeed it is obvious we cannot stop any rains.
My first trouble in my community here was when my people here noted  my wife is not from Orlu zone. I wrote papers and attended meetings explaining why I think my people should start marrying from other places instead of our circling around same villages and towns and not bringing in through marriages, some other good human quality  into our town, Orlu zone. Few listened to me, few pardoned me.
Late Tony Egbe was my only supporter. In the end, my wife proved me right by being the type of woman most of my people marrying from my zone would wish to have.
I believe Agazie is up to something and wants to stick it in with such an impossible proposal.
I want the rains I suspected would come out of Agazie theory so we can learn.
Dan


On Oct 11, 2014 11:38 PM, "Green Dim" <etis...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dan:

Why should Agazie's comments cause any rain?  Did WS not say that "Things without remedy should be without regard"?  Did you get the feeling that there is a United Nations of Igbo people that will enact this rule into law and make it stick?  Did the rule about Catholics marrying only Catholics stick?  Did you get the feeling that Agazie has even enough power to stop any of his children from marrying Oyibo?  If he tries it, he will be disowned by his children and may be barred from attending his child's wedding.

So, with this much power at his disposal, I doubt that any rain will drop from the sky.  As our people say,    "Ife ekwulu-ekwu, emeghi-eme bu aja di na aka.

To Agazie, let me just say "wishful thinking!!!"

Green

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"Our men can marry from the white folks if they like but not from any other tribe in Nigeria, it is going down and backward and also contamination of DNA because we are better than them in anything come together."
 . . . Ugo G.C.Umunnakwe Egbujionuma

This guy named Ugo G.C.Umunnakwe Egbujionuma is worse than James Agazie! They are birds of same feathers that left their villages but the villages did not leave them.
 
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Ayo.
You noted that right.
Why would that guy, Ugo, prefer to have an in-law that may see him as nobody to an in-law, say a Yoruba, that will unhappily shake and hug him, present palmmy and kola nut, and share garri and ewudu with him.
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Hatred has no limit in an act of derision. People that insinuates primogeniture as save a haven for their future lacks divergent thinking. The same thing goes to the belief of first son's syndrome or if you are rich and all your children are women, you not respected in your society. Women are considered second hand citizen.What do you say to Okonjo-Iweala's, Kema Chikwes,folorunso Alakijas, Funmilayo Kutis world, the Chief Security officer ( Susan Rice) of the most power country in the world is a woman.  This guy Agazie is a kidder acting on his own worst instincts for cheap popularity - a five minute fame and I know his position is not popular among versed Igbo intelligentsia. Socrate once said "True wisdom is knowing that you know nothing".This guy Agazie is a boiled rat & trapped pigeon of an archaic mentality.  Every nation has its own unique quality but when you begin to think your race  is superior to others with minuscule flaws therein, then you must be subjected to reevaluation of psychoanalytical process. Does anybody wonder what led to Hitler demise or  why there is high rate of divorces in one race than others despite non intrusion of their purported psychotics DNA? What does this guy know about Deoxyribon Nucleic Acid a.k.a.DNA. The DNA has nothing to do with it. Traits is not customary its hereditary. Agazie, you dont speak for Igbos that I know. Stop this your contemptuous  mockery of a fine culture. Speak for your self  loony narcissistic tribal rage ego.
 
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Benson:

I couldn't agree more with Ayo and yourself.

According to Mazi Aduba-- I am not sure if he made these up or he borrowed them from
another source)-

there are three major things wrong with Nigeria and Nigerians:

1) Igbo greed

2) Yoruba Chauvinism 

and last but not the least

3) The born to rule mentality of the Hausa-Fulani.

Notwithstanding the oversimplification and the over generalization inherent in the above
negative stereotypical statements and assuming that some amongst Nigeria's other ethnic groups are also guilty of  one
or more other of the above vices, one might conclude that the worst Nigerians
and those who constitute the albatross to our socioeconomic development are the following regardless of their specified ethnic origins::

1) the stereotypical greedy ones amongst the Igbo who unaware of how lothesome other Nigerians think of their greedy behaviour
now start wearing a garb of false ethnic chauvinism while claiming to be superior to all other Nigerians whilst also nursing
a born to rule mentality which compels them to nurse ambitions to rule over the rest of us. In short these Igbo are not afflicted
with not just one vice but all three of the vices outlined by Mazi Aduba.

2) the unrealistically stereotypical chauvinistic ones amongst the Yoruba who not only consider themselves  more sophisticated than all other Nigerians by virtue of their ethnic origin,
but have not only become also very greedy and  rich either by looting the Nigerian treasury or defrauding their business partners but also want to rule over all other Nigerians
whom they believe are inferior to them and their race. These shortsighted Yoruba too are now afflicted 
with not just one but three of the vices outlined above,

3) the unwitting stereotypical ones amongst the Hausa-Fulani  who already hampered by the  acquired unrealistic notion that they were "born to rule"
over all other Nigerians now also become so greedy they loot the Nigerian treasury or defraud their  business partners
and then having become so rich from their ill-gotten wealth, also start expressing some unsustainable chauvinistic ethnic supremacist ideas about
their own race being also superior to all other Nigerians who do not share their ethnic origin-- as a means of justifying why their ethnic group was created
to rule over all other Nigerians until eternity, They too now have a triple dose of the same vices instead of the original one dose,

It is needless to emphasize that each and everyone of the above  negative attributes attached to the specified ethnic groups, is an untenable caricature
 of how some Nigerians perceive themselves
and their fellow nationals. Not all Igbo are greedy just as not all Yoruba are chauvinists and not all Hausa-Fulani, especially the educated ones believe
that their race was created to govern all other Nigerians

The pervasive basic psychopathology
shared by the vast majority of Nigerians and other Africans, regardless of nationality, ethnic origin, religious faith, gender and
levels of educational attainment and  socio-economic class
is SELF LOATHING (aka SELF HATRED).

These feelings of  self loathing and lack of love for one's self leads to inferiority complex which some
 some  Nigerians  with primitive cave man like mindsets then project onto other Nigerians including some who
share a common ethnic origin with  them  but
 who come from different villages both far and near from their places of origin
and also to all other Nigerians who do not share their ethnic origins.

Where is the rationality and common sense in the idea that an Igbo should ideally marry ONLY within his own tribe but should AVOID marrying into any other
Nigerian ethnic groups who are INFERIOR to the Igbo, and if not possible he or she should, MARRY
WHITE Europeans and Americans? Does this statement not suggest that this individual already considers himself and his people inferior to the white race?

I have traveled far and wide in Nigeria including eastern Nigeria. If one measure of the superiority of one ethnic group over the other is
how the people live, organize their societies, their levels of infrastructural development and the provision of the basic necessities of life
 (e.g. security of life and property, clothing, shelter, food and wholesome water, education etc) to all citizens including
 the poor, the weak and the lame amongst them, I have not witnessed any overt
socioeconomic advantage in the SE that would make an Igbo man or woman proclaim that he or she is 'better' or superior than any other Nigerian
just by virtue of being Igbo.

Even though some individual Nigerians are better and superior to other Nigerians by virtue of their skills in some walks of life, their superiorty
would only be rationally explained by their individual industry and hardwork, levels of education, their upbrinfing and the opportunities that the Almightuy God has provided
for them. The same people who might be considered superior because they possess some skill sets that others do not have are bound to be inferior
in situations that require other skill sets. Such differences are not based on race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, gender or other human attributes,
For example, I consider myself a superb physician but I wouldn't make a good carpenter or plumber!


Some Nigerians of all ethnic origins suffer from sub-clinical mental conditions. For example, those who suffer from Tourette's syndrome
usually have above average IQ's but they lack the inhibitory mechanism which prevent normal human beings from uttering hateful and abusive utterances
towards others.  As earlier characterized by Dan Akusobi and others, these unfortunate folks lack the ability to sanitize their thoughts and are compelled to utter
 the most awkward and ridiculous words in public which bring them and their
families untold shame and opprobrium from other members of the societies they live in.

James Agazie and the other moron who vain- gloriously addresses himself as Sir Ugo
Umunnakwe Egbujionuma are probably subclinical Tourette's sufferers. Their utterances should be considered
as the equivalent of the uncontrollable tics exhibited by the unfortunate patients who are afflicted with Tourette syndrome. They deserve our collective pity. The best we can do is to show them some compassion
while ignoring their tics. They are sick!

Bye,

Ola

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Agazie is a social misfit period!!!


In a message dated 10/14/2014 10:30:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, umunn...@gmail.com writes:

My take in who should be Igbos in-laws and who should not is no body’s business. It is absolutely nonsense for someone to regulate love. The racist white Americans were unable to do so what makes any of these fools to think we can do so in Igbo land.   Why should anyone prefer a slave master as in-law than any other race or persons? Should be the individual is suffering from inferiority complex or should be the individual had too much to drink over the long weekend.

Whoever  is proposing  this foolish marriage segregation have not been to Nigeria and to Igboland in particular lately and witnessed the number of girls hanging around at night in fronts of hotels in Owerri, Aba, Umuhia and other metropolitan areas. I personally encourage, the Yoruba Christians, Edo Christians, northern Christians and other good natured individual to come to Igboland and marry our beautiful, intelligent and hardworking girls; we are open for business. The only people that I did not encourage or allowed in Igboland are Muslims.

Pagans and Christians are 190% allowed.

 

 
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, daniel Akusobi <daku...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ayo.
You noted that right.
Why would that guy, Ugo, prefer to have an in-law that may see him as nobody to an in-law, say a Yoruba, that will unhappily shake and hug him, present palmmy and kola nut, and share garri and ewudu with him.
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Agazie is a social misfit who tried to appease his base whilst fundamentally diminishing them out of belligerence. Smart people rarely orchestrate their worth openly, it shows in their  actions, works, values and prowess of their explicit analytical creativity
Agazie Shut the F*** up . Sir Agazie my foot !!!!
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I hope we recognize personal opinions for what they are—personal opinions.  They shouldn’t be mistaken for a concerted and reflective decision of a people to act in a certain way.  Igbos, more than any other tribe in Nigeria, marry from everywhere.  That’s our regular trademark that is not about to change.  Funny that this is under discussion this week, because on Wednesday last week I was in a train from L’Enfant Plaza to Farragut West, and this white-white boy with curly black hair sitting next to me said “Kedu”.  I was shocked and responded “O di nma” and asked him in English if he just travelled to Nigeria.  He responded in perfect Igbo saying that he is from Ihiala.  In the village, you see women from Russia, all parts of Europe, West Africa, and from all over Nigeria.  Some children even have names of other Nigerian tribes.  So, Igbos are broad minded in marriage—but at the same time, we can’t begrudge any individual their personal preferences especially, if that forms the springboard for their opinion and recommendation as to who Igbos should marry.  It must be seen for what is and no more than that, an opinion.  Such opinions at best, should be taken under advisement for what it is worth.  But the opinion should not in a way be misconstrued as a concerted decision by Ndi Igbo to act in a certain way.   

 

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Please read Ozodi Osuji on this mentally deranged man called Agazie. His likes waste precious gift of time writing nonsense and nothing. Now why can't people use their time very well. Why should people indulge in this kind of discussion in the 21st Century. This is unbelievable!

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Ola.
Self  awareness, self consciousness, is the beginning of self discipline for people or a person that wants to be disciplned.
You diagnosed Nigeria well and we may have to deal, accept, our respective idiosyncrasies since it seems they are inevitable and  incurable at this time.
Igbo greed, if true, may have benefitted Nigeria, Yoruba and Hausa tribes more than any other parts of Nigeria. Their greed led to their acquisition craziness and owning a lot of Abuja and perhaps Lagos, thereby helping in developing anywhere outside Igbo land they live in.
There is doubt that they, the Igbos, get rich by duping our federal government. We can trace greater looting of our national treasury to our past presidents. Most of these presidents from 1970 until recently are Hausas and Yorubas.
Thanks again for being insightful.
We are now using Agazie's  "crazy" proposals to find where it hurts us more. This is the rain I anticipated.
Dan

On Oct 14, 2014 10:30 AM, "Umu Nnakwe" <umunn...@gmail.com> wrote:

My take in who should be Igbos in-laws and who should not is no body’s business. It is absolutely nonsense for someone to regulate love. The racist white Americans were unable to do so what makes any of these fools to think we can do so in Igbo land.   Why should anyone prefer a slave master as in-law than any other race or persons? Should be the individual is suffering from inferiority complex or should be the individual had too much to drink over the long weekend.

Whoever  is proposing  this foolish marriage segregation have not been to Nigeria and to Igboland in particular lately and witnessed the number of girls hanging around at night in fronts of hotels in Owerri, Aba, Umuhia and other metropolitan areas. I personally encourage, the Yoruba Christians, Edo Christians, northern Christians and other good natured individual to come to Igboland and marry our beautiful, intelligent and hardworking girls; we are open for business. The only people that I did not encourage or allowed in Igboland are Muslims.

Pagans and Christians are 190% allowed.

 

 
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Ooooops.
I had meant ,a Yoruba man,
in-law, that would happily shake his hands .......,and not unhappily shake his...... in one of my postings today on this.  Sorry.
To dee Agazie,
O wudu ichupu nkita nashi, i buru rime. Does it mean you will eat feces you chased a dog from eating?
Hope you are ready to marry 10 or more of these assets you do not want a Kwara man to marry.

Some one mentioned crowds of Igbo girls hanging out in Owerri and Aba at nights,most are single and of marriageable age. Some of these ladies won't be prostituting if they are married.
I have been noticing this, a lot of these singles  and once called for people who can marry two or more women  to do so, so we can reduce the number of our single ladies likely to be single for life.
Now you want to ban our neighbors from taking these girls and women you have refused to marry, or that may not get a chance to.marry an Igbo, should we insist they turn  Yoruba or Hawusa suitors down.
Think about it.
Dan

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On Oct 14, 2014 1:28 PM, "Umu Nnakwe" <umunn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Look, Mr. Agazie or Orgasm is speaking for himself. All I know is that Southeastern Nigeria is open for business. Our girls want to marry Edo, Yourba and every any other ethnic group including Christian North. Only Boko Haram and their supporters are not allowed.


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Africanworldforum,

Wow, very sad.  The only thing that came out of this garbage is the thought that whites are far more superior than black Igbos; otherwise, why would you exempt them from your ban of non-Igbo marriages to Igbos. I couldn't help but think about MLK Jr. and others who fought and died for equality of the races or what have you.  Did they die for nothing? I answered that by realizing that it is our job to educate our people because the MLKs of the world have passed on the baton and they did a fantastic job, and no they did not die for nothing. 

I also like to appeal to the moderators to stop accepting everything in the name of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech was designed to protect citizens from government and other higher ups, and does not necessary apply in a private setting like this one.  This is your forum and you don't have to allow garbage.  This is 2014, and some companies in the USA would fire you writing like this.  We can't even run a forum but want to tell Jonathan what to do about Nigeria.  The writer of this garbage needs help and I hope that he/she can find someone with the time.

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Gregg,

We know James' idea is his and his alone; that one or two Igbos agree with him not withstanding. One even said it is Igbo tradition or expectation not to marry non-Igbo Nigerians. But Nigerians know better as we have relations and friends happily married to Igbos. We only want these bush people to know that they are bush even though they have been living in the developed world for decades. Only bush people will have such "personal opinion" and bring it to the public place.

This must be a season of people not being ashamed of their opinions, ideas, and acts no matter how ridiculous; like the guy who claims to be a lawyer, and proud to have fought a fake mad man in the market place.

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Ayo Ojutalayo wrote:
This must be a season of people not being ashamed of their opinions, ideas, and acts no matter how ridiculous; like the guy who claims to be a lawyer, and proud to have fought a fake mad man in the market place.

I can bet, Ayo is NOT referring to this guy.
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Hehehehe!!! Vinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn……OSALOBUA ME!!  Guess we don’t need Psychiatric wards in hospital if “merciless whopping and wrestling down is all you need to Cure a Madman of Madness………..hehehe!!!! JUI [shaking his head at the wonderment around folks!]

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"  ME!!  Guess we don’t need Psychiatric wards in hospital if “merciless whopping and wrestling down is all you need to Cure a Madman of " ( joe)

And the madman would not have felt cured with such a treatment, Adieletherapy, if he was indeed mad.
Nebu realized he was faking his mental illness.
No real mentally sick person would be cured with punches and strokes of the cane.
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Ayo Ojutalayo

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Yes, one more feather to add to Nigeria's hat (after handling Ebola to the envy of the whole world), we can now present our "mad man" psychiatrist to the world for recognition! Over to you Vin.
 
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Yeye Rolling

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Personally,   I don't believe that Nigeria has Ebola contained...    I somehow suspect  that the Government is hiding the facts

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Yeye Rolling

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How can Nigeria, a country whose citizens have no record of identity track down hundreds of people exposed to Ebola ?    How did they find addresses  in a Country that has no address ? 

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Yeye:
 
God forbid. Any Nigerian suffering from Ebola will probably be misdiagnosed as suffering from Malaria. Even the US made the mistake when they initially misdiagnosed the Liberian guy. Only God will save us.
 
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: WHY IGBOS SHOULDN'T MARRY NON-IGBOS

daniel Akusobi

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Yeye.
You just insulted my country with your conclusion that there are no addresses in Nigeria, as such, tracing people possibly exposed to Ebola was an impossibility .
Do you realize that our great grand parents were able to locate their homes and went places without a map quest nor GPS?.
My town has no street names and people, some of us that left for USA 30 years ago, never visited any time, are still able to trace their families using some land marks and names.
Some times, the dead is still able to locate it's gave site in his home without a numerical street names.
Dan

Yeye Rolling

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Vin:

I  agree with you .   I just don't see how Nigeria with it's national incompetence can contain Ebola...  It defies logic, something stinks !

Vin Otuonye

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Don't worry. Ogada riders will find the place for you. Just mention my family name from Ideato and tell the Okada guy you're going to Abba and he will drop you in my father's compound.
 
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Vin Otuonye

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Dan:

The earth is no longer flat ...    What's your zip code in Nigeria

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Gregg Ukaegbu

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The Ebola thing is not over.  Nigeria should not over jubilate but must continue to be vigilant.  Latest report from various news sources suggest that many more people will come down with disease and survival has been reduced from 50/50 to 70/30.  I hope we make our defenses stronger and not relent effort in fighting this disease.  All hands on deck.

 

                          *ezekwe*

Gregg Ukaegbu

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Wow!  Na true—OO

 

Nigeria fit purposely misdiagnose Ebola

 

And call the damn thing “Thyphoid”

 

There!  No Ebola in Nigeria.

 

Geez!

 

                *ezekwe*

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