Re: ||NaijaObserver|| President Tinubu backs state police

[Afis Deinde]

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Afis

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Lemme guess, a naked man with his hands in his pockets!

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On Sep 3, 2025, at 5:28 PM, 'TAJUDEEN RAJI' via ||NaijaObserver|| <naijao...@googlegroups.com> wrote:



President Bola Ahmed Tinubu on Wednesday said his administration would work closely with the leadership of the National Assembly to remove political and bureaucratic bottlenecks stalling the operationalisation of state police in Nigeria.

Speaking at the State House, Abuja, during a meeting with members of the Northeast Governors Forum led by Babagana  Zulum, the President said the time had come for a clear, collective path towards community-based policing that reflects the peculiar needs of different regions.

“I have been looking at the security situation more carefully. I have seen the Civilian JTF react to the security challenges, finding so many creative ways to protect neighbourhoods and communities around you, and that provoked my thinking about state police again.“

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Me like this very much because I have been saying, for more than a decade plus, that we need state police. It’s one of the logical approach we must adopt in order to have a save & secure country. 

Another approach we need to adopt is secure our borders, build barriers where practically possible and have a robustly supported security posts at our borders that we cannot secure with barriers because of nature or whatever. 

God bless Nigeria

Thanks,

Tajudeen Raji 

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[Cyril Anyanwu]

This is a positive development.

We have been advocating for this.

The Senate should completely scrap the Nigerian Police, whenever State Police is consolidated, 

EFCC should remain the only federal Police force focused on investigations.

 The Nigerian Police has remained a national embarrassment; obstructing traffic and extorting Nigerians daily at illegal roadblocks.

NNPC should also be scrapped.

Cyril Anyanwu

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[ishola williams]

CY.I salute you.

The NPF can be divided into

Federal Crime Intelligence and Criminal Investigation Agency (FCICIA)headed by a DG.It is like FBI under Homeland Dept.It will be under the Ministry of Internal 

Federal Mobile Paramilitary Force (FMPF) similar to National Guard with a Commandant General in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

All officers will undego under basic training at NDA .

In war situation ONLY ,the Paramilitary Force will be under the  MOD and be the 4th Arm of the Armed Forces

The IG becomes Inspector General of Police for 

Training Standards,Performance Monitoring,Evaluation and Assessment not COMMAND of State and Community Police at the Ministry of Internal Affars where he submits half yearly report through the Minster to the President and NASS with Copies to all Govs and Chairs of LGA

Transfer Customs and Excise to the Ministry of Finance.

The Immigration Service and DSS(strictly domestic Intelligence and counter intelligence) are under the Ministry of Internal Affairs not the Presidency.

FUNDING

All the states govs have been providing money and vehicles to the army and the police in their States for over 20 years now in addition to cash gifts.

The States donot need equal number of personnel and donot need to build Barracks,they donot need funding from FG which does not fund AMOTEKUN in the SW and  VIGILANTES etc in other states.

Organisation and Governance.AMOTEKUN is a model 

State Police is there in all states.NASS is to do the needful now that the Presido don gree.iw

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[Ishola Williams]

You donot what you are talking about it is a waste of time discussing with you.

We donot share the profession expertise, experience and exposure.

All will be well with Nigeris where there is need to differentiate public security bottom up to Territotorial Integrity top down.iw

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On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 4:36 AM, Kayode Adebayo

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General Ishola Williams, You Are Wrong Again:

1. First, state police needs funding. Lots of it. State Police is not like the toothless and powerless Amotekun chasing shadows in South West, unless they want to make it so, and make it become ghost chasers like Amotekun. They need a lot funds which states cannot provide. Common workers' salaries they cannot pay. Only 4 states in Nigeria can fund state police conveniently, and they are: Lagos, Kano, Rivers and possibly Oyo State and Abuja the FCT. All other states will crumble under the load of state police. And the last thing Nigeria needs is police rioting or revolting due to unpaid workers. They're not like civil servants that won't react if unpaid. The police have guns and can cause insurrection if unpaid like civil servants. That's the last Nigeria needs. Talking about adding more to Nigeria's gargantuan insecurity.

2. NDA Military Training will do no good for police to combat insecurity and terrorism in Nigeria. That's why the troops are failing woefully to combat and defeat terrorism like I said they wouldn't, despite receiving trainings at NDA. I've been to NDA several times in my life and I know their curriculum and kind of military training they give to soldiers in Kaduna. Some of my friends were their instructors in early 80s. A new type of force needs to be created from scratch as per my recommendation and be given the type of training that I recommended, not the type of trainings the military and the police are given in Nigeria which make them less capable of defeating terrorism. 

3.The DSS should never be under the Ministry of Internal Affairs. As a matter of fact, the DSS needs to be scrapped totally. It's an unnecessary duplication of secret agencies' operations in Nigeria, which Babangida created out of stupidity and malice, because he lacked intelligence knowledge.

I designed the most comprehensive security system for Nigeria that will enable Nigeria to defeat terrorism and it's available on demand whenever Nigeria is ready. I overhauled the whole of Nigeria’s security architecture in my recommendations. That's what Nigeria needs to combat terrorism and insecurity in Nigeria in this millennium.

Kayode

[femi Olajide]

Oga GIW,

Are you listening to this nonentity and stupid buffoon called Kayusee.

The 100 loopholes started existing out of the blues under Jonathan? So, what changed in the policing structure under Jonathan to breed the loopholes. This Kayusee guy only uses his head as a hat stand and nothing else.

Kayusee can't even recommend policing structure for his little abode in the US and the policing problem and gun crime therein will probably dwarf the average in a Nigerian city.

What Nigeria suffer from mainly are kidnapping, banditry and terrorism. These are less than 20% of types of crime in Nigeria.
Applying Pareto 80-20 rule, 80% of your problem are usually caused by 20% of possible causes. Deal with the 20% causes and your problems will be cut by 80%.

It is a tried and tested law/rule. Actually, I wrote a thesis on it in my post-graduate days and explored a number of cases studies and live application during the process.

Nigeria should throw all it has at the 20% causes which are mainly organized banditry, kidnapping and terrorism. And crime rate(and figures) will drop by 80%.

Don't let this foolish guy fool you. He always has a solution that he is keeping under his hat that only him his privy to.

It's all bullshit! The Kayusee is full of air, as empty as leaky barrel!

Regards,

Femi Olajide

On Friday 5 September 2025 at 04:50:45 GMT+1, 'Kayode Adebayo' via ||NaijaObserver|| <naijao...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Finally, like I said several times before, Nigeria must not create state police, if it doesn't want more insecurity and more problems. A lot of people don't know why Nigerian forces are unable to defeat insecurity and terrorism in Nigeria. That's why they are crying for state police. Nigeria's security has more than 100 loopholes. That's why insecurity and terrorism persist from Jonathan Badluck administration till today. 

I said it during Jonathan Badluck administration that insecurity and terrorism will get worse in Nigeria and Nigeria will continue to experience insecurity and terrorism for a long time, if my recommendations were not implemented and that's exactly what has been happening till today. Like I said before, Nigeria can continue to change Service Chiefs for a thousand times, that will never reduce insecurity, because Nigeria is fighting insecurity and terrorism with the wrong forces. But people who don't know anything about National Security continue to tell all successive administrations to change Service Chiefs and they have been changed over and over again and the problems persist till today like I said they would.

Kayode

On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 11:35 PM, Kayode Adebayo

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General Ishola Williams, You Are Wrong Again:

1. First, state police needs funding. Lots of it. State Police is not like the toothless and powerless Amotekun chasing shadows in South West, unless they want to make it so, and make it become ghost chasers like Amotekun. They need a lot funds which states cannot provide. Common workers' salaries they cannot pay. Only 4 states in Nigeria can fund state police conveniently, and they are: Lagos, Kano, Rivers and possibly Oyo State and Abuja the FCT. All other states will crumble under the load of state police. And the last thing Nigeria needs is police rioting or revolting due to unpaid workers. They're not like civil servants that won't react if unpaid. The police have guns and can cause insurrection if unpaid like civil servants. That's the last Nigeria needs. Talking about adding more to Nigeria's gargantuan insecurity.

2. NDA Military Training will do no good for police to combat insecurity and terrorism in Nigeria. That's why the troops are failing woefully to combat and defeat terrorism like I said they wouldn't, despite receiving trainings at NDA. I've been to NDA several times in my life and I know their curriculum and kind of military training they give to soldiers in Kaduna. Some of my friends were their instructors in early 80s. A new type of force needs to be created from scratch as per my recommendation and be given the type of training that I recommended, not the type of trainings the military and the police are given in Nigeria which make them less capable of defeating terrorism. 

3.The DSS should never be under the Ministry of Internal Affairs. As a matter of fact, the DSS needs to be scrapped totally. It's an unnecessary duplication of secret agencies' operations in Nigeria, which Babangida created out of stupidity and malice, because he lacked intelligence knowledge.

I designed the most comprehensive security system for Nigeria that will enable Nigeria to defeat terrorism and it's available on demand whenever Nigeria is ready. I overhauled the whole of Nigeria’s security architecture in my recommendations. That's what Nigeria needs to combat terrorism and insecurity in Nigeria in this millennium.

Kayode

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[femi Olajide]

Oga GIW,

Thank God that you have come to realize the time wasting attributes of this so and so called Kayusee (I nearly wrote Nebu).

Just to humor him, I will address the fool in the order in which he listed his points.

1. The financial burden and expense shouldered by the federal police will be unbundled into the state and so would be the budgetary allocation hitherto expended on federal policing. You fool any state will then be able to subsidize the federal allocation from the state budget on a need and priority basis.
Yes, set-up cost may be hefty, however the overall cost over a longer period will flatten out, and if more than federal allocation to states, it will be marginal.

2. There you go making recommendations where you know nada (zilch,zero, nothing...) about.
You're full of smelly air.
If one is to wait for a training designed by Kayusee, one will until s/he joins his/er ancestors. Just as we waited for the EV designed and being built by Kayusee in his garage for decades.
Kayusee is a wannabe trying to spin lives to compensate for his wasted youthful days.

3. When I say Kayusee is a foolishly foolish fool (Oga JNY style), I don't need to be forgiven.
This is another of his lack of knowledge.

The Department of State Services (DSS) in Nigeria is under the Presidency, not a specific ministry, and reports directly to the President through the Office of the National Security Adviser (ONSA).

Kayusee is a fool and I've advised him several times before through an old Chinese that goes thus:

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than to open it and let people confirm that you're a fool"

Kayusee confirms his stupidity everytime he opens his mouth or puts pen to paper type or types on his keyboard.

He is a complete stupid man. Shame!

Regards,

Femi Olajide

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[Ishola Williams]

Imp.For many years,you have remained consistent in spite of evidence contrary to your opinion.

I am surprised that with clear acceptance by the SouthWesterners including Lagos that Community Policing is working and impactful of diminishing crime you are still sticking to your old position.

Unlike many  Nigerians like you,I am only  looking at the model of USA because most know more about than South Africa with Communities or Francophone countries with City Police and Rural with Border Gendarmes in Senegal.

I am not copying because I ruminate from expertise,experience and exposure which donot have.

It is better for Intelligence and prevention of crime led policing.

You appear not to know how much the state Govs are spending monthly on the Military and the Police in their states.Please. ask the Oyo State Commissioner of Finance.

You are one of those who are moving away from Federal System of Subsidiarity since 1966 where the Centre is wanting and is doing what States can do.

Same old story of Political manipulation of State Police as if the Federal Police is manned by honest, independent and incorruptible Nigerian free from Manipulation by the FG.

Most nations now have Community Policing.and subnational Policing.

Did you really do any discussion with those who know.?

You understood what that Gov is saying but donot analysis it before sticking to your old postion.

Scrap the States to bring NIgeria up to your what you called par.iw

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On Fri, Sep 5, 2025, 1:46 PM Imperial <imperi...@yahoo.com> wrote:





Kayusee

We are Nigerians, not Americans, Germans, or Canadians so we need to acknowledge our unique challenges. 

I firmly believe that the existing federal police structure, like all agencies of our federal, state, and local governments, is inefficient and requires substantial funding, training, and motivation to bring it up to par with other nations.

 Introducing state police, which could be exploited by state executives against political opponents, might not be the solution. Concerns have been raised about the potential misuse of the barely armed Amotekun in Osun State. Instead, I suggest increasing the federal police force, with a significant number of recruits deployed to their local governments or states of origin. A federally controlled police force could better protect minority interests in each state.

State police might exacerbate ethnic and regional tensions, and unequal distribution of security resources across states could become a significant issue. There's also the risk of state governors using state police for personal or political gain. It's worth noting that China, which is larger and more populous than Nigeria, has a more centralized and effective police force. 

One thing we need to admit is that our challenges stem from various factors, including discipline and competence, rather than just the police structure.

 Almost everything is wrong with Nigeria, not just the police. Funding is another significant issue, and states struggling with recurrent expenditure might not be able to afford state police. Undertrained, underpaid, and under-motivated police forces can cause more harm to society. Can any government agency that collects bribes operate optimally? With state police, some state governors would essentially have unchecked power to import arms, ammunition and other crimes . 

Based on what I know about Nigeria today, a good number of our state governors aren't better than common criminals. Their crimes aren't as manifest because the federal police commissioners serve as counterweights to check their excesses.

Another crucial issue to consider the potential overlap in the roles of state and federal police, which could precipitate legal and constitutional crises especially on interstate crimes between two unfriendly states . 

Our attempts to address problems often create more significant issues. Let's focus on strengthening our existing federal police structure rather than introducing a potentially flawed system.

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[Ishola Williams]

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On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 12:50 PM, Kayode Adebayo

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General Ishola Williams:

The best analogy to describe the military and police fighting insecurity and terrorism in Nigeria is two people in the dark. One person has a flash light (the bandits and terrorists in this case) and the other person has nothing (the military and police). The person who has the flash light in the dark has the upper hand, because he can use the flash light to see the person who has no flash light and simultaneously use that same flash light as a weapon, to temporarily blind the person without flash light, thus disabling the person with no flash light. That's what's is happening between the Nigerian military and police on one hand and bandits and terrorists on the other.

Nigeria needs to stop that malady to defeat insecurity and terrorism in Nigeria.

Kayode

On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 7:21 AM, Kayode Adebayo

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General Ishola Williams:

The military has no clue how to combat and defeat insecurity and terrorism in Nigeria, because they are not built and trained for it. The military are the wrong forces to combat and defeat insecurity and terrorism in Nigeria. You went through the same military training and experience. That's why your thinking and strategies are similar to the Service Chiefs in Nigeria.

Fighting insecurity and terrorism with the Military and the Police is a recipe for failure. That's why the Military and the Police have failed woefully in Nigeria since Jonathan Badluck administration and that's why insecurity and terrorism persist in Nigeria from Jonathan Badluck administration till today. The enemies of Nigeria are three steps ahead of the Military and the Police. They know their weaknesses and exploit them.

The day Nigeria starts implementing my recommendations is the day insecurity and terrorism will start vanishing from Nigeria. Trust me. Nigeria is just dancing around using the Military and the Police to combat insecurity and terrorism. It's a recipe for disaster. The Military will be better off performing their basic function of defending Nigeria against external aggression which they are built and trained for, rather than fighting terrorism.

Kayode

[femi Olajide]

GIW,

I think Oga Imperial is being cautious without looking at alternatives.

You see, once you realize you have a problem, you're problem is half solved.
Yes, Oga Imperial has recognized some loopholes in state policing, what we should be looking at is how to design out or mitigate those loopholes.

No system is flawless. Humans designed by the almighty are not flawless, they're still work-in-progress too.

That's why you have upgrades on all softwares from time to time. You upgrade your windows OS, your Android or Apps from time to time too.

If constitutions are perfect and flawless, we wouldn't need the legislatures to amend and make new laws.

Everything in life is not perfect, they are all work-in-progress.

So, whatever we do or propose that is better than existing is ok......it is work in progress!

Regards,

Femi Olajide

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[femi Olajide]

What is wrong with this pigheaded Kayusee and funding?
Once you've refunded the NPF, the funds go to the states.

Or is the pigheaded Kayusee expecting the NPF to remain at the same staff capacity.
If anything, more funds will be available if you cut out the over-bloated cost of management from.Abuja and rent out the floor space that will be freed up in the Force HQ in Abuja etc etc.

The federal government will maintain a leaner and more technologically driven central national police akin to the FBI that will have regional officers to coordinate and investigate cross-border crimes and other designated federal crimes.

Kayusee, lo to'ju ara re!

Regards,

Femi Olajide

On Saturday 6 September 2025 at 03:22:01 GMT+1, 'Kayode Adebayo' via ||NaijaObserver|| <naijao...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dummy Called Cyril Anyanwu:

It's a big huddle for state police to scale through the National Assembly. They have to debate funding first. They have not even thought of that. When funding debate starts, they will realize that some states cannot afford it. That's where it will hit the rock. And I doubt it if the federal government will shoulder the responsibility. 

Regardless, the Federal Police is here to stay, with or without state police.

Kayode

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[Ishola Williams]

Thanks kfor your comments.

Public Safety is BOTTOM UP not top down.

Amotekun is working in all the States and no complaints from any nonOmoOdua Groups in any state

The Islamic Police in Kano will work better if they focus less attention on Drunkards and Prostitutes.

At the last LG elections in Kano,⁴the Islamic Police was responsible for Safety not any Federal Safety Agency.

Everybody complains about pay but nobody is able to say what the living wage because pay increases result in increases in School fees,transport fares,increased overhead costs for the Private Sector etc etc

There are many ways to mitigate the impact on the purchasing power of the public Servants in Education,Food and Health 

The people elected the Govs good or bad and in Federal System,they are responsible for the safety of the citizens in their territories.

Let build on Amotekn as a Model.iw

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On Fri, 5 Sept 2025, 18:31 Imperial, <imperi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

General IW, good evening, Sir.

 Nigeria today is far more complex and more corrupt than those days when you and your colleagues were in government.

If not for a united police under a single command, the insecurity in the land would have worsened by now. Sir, you appear to have overrated some of these guys we call state governors; the majority of them are rogues and murderers.

Given that our police officers, who carry guns, are paid peanuts - just a bit above the minimum wage - be assured that corruption in the force would continue, whether it's state or federal police, and nothing would improve.

 Instead of funding state police, let the states use their resources to create employment, especially in farming, and also persuade the federal government to increase police funding. The argument that policemen in a state should be natives of that state has its pros and cons; I don't think it's a position that's sacrosanct, but I would always prefer a "mixed-grill" approach, where people from one ethnicity don't completely dominate the police force in a state, for the public good and protection of minorities in the state.

Sir, I have a lot of respect for you as my elder and as a respected elder statesman in our military, but in this case, I can take a bet that state police isn't the solution to our problems.



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> On 5 Sep 2025, at 15:00, Kayode Adebayo <kayu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Exactly. That's what I've been saying. A lot of people mistakenly believe state police is a magical solution to Nigeria's gigantic security problems. The fact that state police works in other countries doesn't mean it will work in Nigeria. Nigeria is a different ballgame. Nigeria is very complex society with several tribes  several problems and several personal interests, unlike other countries where state police works. They don't think about the problems and short comings of state police in Nigeria. Where are all these states going to fund state police, if established? They're comparing state police which is a complex security outfit with Amotekun that is a toothless bulldog which can be easily funded. They don't even realize that Lagos supports other states in South West in funding Amotekun. Are the South West states going to get funds from Lagos to establish and sustain state police in their states, when Lagos itself will establish one for Lagos too?
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> Yet, funding is just a piece of a larger problem of state police in Nigeria. They don't think about the repercussions of handing state police to Nigerian governors who can't wait to terrorize their political opponents in their states and even their innocent citizens who criticize them for wrong doings. They don't think that governors can easily stockpile arms and ammunition to start wars with their neighboring states, whenever there is a land dispute with their neighboring states. They don't think about salaries of police and what will happen when police salaries are not paid for months. Police have access to weapons unlike their civil servant counterparts. That's a recipe for insurrection and mutiny.
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> They also don't know that terrorists, bandits and militants they are trying to fight can easily infiltrate state police, than federal police, because they will be recruited locally. Do they know that bandits and terrorists can easily get recruited into state police without their knowledge? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of establishing state police? Of course the governors will careless if they recruit bandits and terrorists into state police, as long as they're readily available to them to use against their political opponents during elections. Of course, they have forgotten about Ibikunle Amosun, who imported and stockpiled ammunition in Ogun State’s government house some years ago to fight his political opponents during elections. And that happened when Nigeria had not implemented State police. Imagine what will happen when 36 states and the federal capital territory get permission to establish their own police? That’s an Armageddon waiting to happen.
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> Have they thought about state police as a recipe for secession in Nigeria? Why would state care when they have weapons to secede from Nigeria in their hands? And I can go on and on enumerating the repercussions of a state police system in Nigeria.
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> Yet, state police in Nigeria will never solve insecurity and terrorism problems in Nigeria. They will add to it in a way unimaginable. Neither state police or federal police can combat or curb insecurity and terrorism, because they're not built or trained for it. As a matter of fact, they're vulnerable to terrorists and bandits, because of their outlook, just like the military. That's why both the military and the federal police haven't been able to defeat banditry and terrorism for years.
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> Establishing state police in Nigeria is a disaster waiting to happen in Nigeria. Nigeria better think twice before they make that giant leap into state police, because once it's constitutionalized, there is no going back.
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> I always try to warn Nigeria before disaster happens.
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> Kayode
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