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On 20-Jun-2022, at 11:52 AM, 'Kuntimaddi Sadananda' via advaitin <adva...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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On 20-Jun-2022, at 12:27, S Venkatraman <sven...@gmail.com> wrote:
Namaste to all,
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praNAms
Hare Krishna
Sarve bhavantu sukhinaH, sarve santu nirAmayaH, sarve bhadrANi prashyantu not at all denied here. But at the same time don’t we have the responsibility of dharma rakshaNa?? Being mere dharmabeeruH or dharma paripAlakaH is not enough we have to be sometime aggressively dharma rakshaka as well is it not ?? dharmO rakshati rakshitaH….saying goes..
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
Well, the same logic or argument was used to silence the Hindus and leave us at this stage we are in fear everytime a good law or initiative is being attempted. That person went on to be crowned mahatma. I think every concept has a context where it is applicable. Rama did not follow it always, so did Krishna.
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Well, the same logic or argument was used to silence the Hindus and leave us at this stage we are in fear everytime a good law or initiative is being attempted.
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It is unfortunate that most of the so-called educated Hindus do not know the fundamentals of Vedanta and such persons get impressed by him. Some like him out of generous and universal good will.
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Namaste Praveen ji,kara-leDhi, 'licking the palm', in what sense? I have not heard.
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Dear Dr Prasad,
You mentioned the well known characteristics of the Guru = Srotriyam + BrahmaNishtam from the Mundaka Upanishad. Perhaps not so well known is a third characteristic Sankara hints at. A little further along on the same text, while commenting on the word muhyamanah (Paraphrasing) That soul born among beasts, men and others, perchance shown the path of Yoga, as a result of his past good deeds, by some very compassionate person.
I believe he is referring to a Jnani who is also an accomplished Yogi who can lead a yogic inclined disciple or Yoga Bhrashta in the spiritual journey. So, the Guru in this case is: Srotriyam + BrahmaNishtam + Accomplished Yogi. Why so? Such a Guru is able to ‘see’ where the seeker is on the yogic path and assist him along while a Srotriyam alone may not be able to.
Here is a little Venn diagram illustrating my point
As to your question whether the Yogic processes become part & parcel of their repertoire, I am not sure. Especially if they have not practiced in the past.
praNAms
Hare Krishna
here I have a doubt : don't the Yogic processes spontaneously become a part&parcel ( the natural make-up ) of a BrahmaNishtha ( though He was not a practitioner of Yoga in poorvas'rama ) ?
Ø When we try to interlink the yOga’s samAdhi experience (as per pAtanjali) with brahmanishtata of Advaita jnAni then perhaps the answer is yes. But that is not the case here, yOga is dvaita shAstra is pUrvapaksha to Advaita like sAnkhya. And in both sushupti and samAdhi jnAnAbhAva type avidyA will be there explains bhAshyakAra. So in short, for the experience / realization of vedAntic truth not reserved for adepts in pAtanjala yOga. Some well known vyAkhyAnakara-s (post shankara era) were very eager to link the Advaita jnana with that of pAtanjali’s yOga samAdhi experience. Hence as per their book, a simple word drashtavyaH means for them is the experience in samAdhi or mystic trance!! And intuition / Advaita jnana can happen ONLY in yOga’s asamprajnAta samAdhi and when he comes out of that trance state he would continue to perceive duality due to defect engendered by the prArabdha karma phala. More details about these type of assertions can be found in works like paNchapAdika vivaraNa, bhAmati of vAchaspati Mishra, prakaraNa grantha-s like VC, JMV, PD etc. By any stretch of imagination here it is not an attempt to belittle the pAtanjala’s ashtanga yOga but it is to make it clear experience of samAdhi etc. not directly inclined when an Advaita sAdhaka pursuing jnana mArga. However for shama damAdhi advaitic sAdhana yama, niyamAdi first five anga-s from pAtanjala’s ashtanga yOga preferred. But vedAntic dhyAna and samAdhi not directly related to dvaita yOga shAstra’s dhyAna and samAdhi.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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Hare Krishna
Boy, Like clockwork this topic draws people out of the woodwork, doesn’t it 😊? It’s all fun!
Ø Yes prabhuji, it’s all just for fun!! Neither I have samAdhi experience nor a brahmanishTa 😊 And thanks for calling me ‘boy’ though I am 55 already 😊
Deja vu - all these concerns (some imaginary) raised below were addressed adequately by Sri Vidyasankar Sundaresanji some two decades ago. Now they are reappearing again and will be addressed in separate posts soon.
Ø During those discussions Sri Vidyasankara Sundareshan prabhuji himself agreed that pAtanjali’s dhyAna & samAdhi is something different from adhyAtmika yOga in Advaita vedAnta. If you have his paper with regard to this, please refer it.
One note: It is not like the yoga sampradaya magically occurred centuries after Shankara.
That’s a mistaken notion. There were always Jnanis with yogic prowess thruout history, even predating Shankara. And their yoga is not Patanjali but the yoga of the sixth chapter of Gita, Mundaka Upanishads, Katha Upanishads and Mandukys Karika.
Ø It may be noted that there is no qualms with the words like yOga and samAdhi themselves in the literature of shankara’s PTB as these words found place in shruti and smruti-s. yOga specifically and contextually referred as adhyAtma yOga which is not anyway can be interpreted with pAtanjali’s yOga sUtra. Likewise the samAdhi word also. That does not mean PYS is an absolute unnecessary in yOga sAdhana and aNimAdhi ashtasiddhi either.. Hope those who are talking in favor of PYS and its sAdhana would understand this.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!
bhaskar
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Hare Krishna
Boy is just an exclamation per Oxford dictionary
As for the tirade against Patanjali Yoga Sutras, I never even mentioned PYS, is it possible you are building your own strawman and beating it?
As for Samadhi, don’t worry. You are in no danger of drowning anytime soon: satu dhirghakala : only after a long time 🙂
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Boy, Like clockwork this topic draws people out of the woodwork, doesn’t it 😊? It’s all fun!
Deja vu - all these concerns (some imaginary) raised below were addressed adequately by Sri Vidyasankar Sundaresanji some two decades ago. Now they are reappearing again and will be addressed in separate posts soon.
being faced with similar doubts
praNAms Sri Sundar Rajan prabhuji
Hare Krishna
>> samAdhi is purely an individual experience
So is enlightenment - it is only for the individual, not for the whole village
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gurugaLe, the enlightenment or pAramArthika jnana is the result of vastu tantra jnana based on sArvatrika pUrNAnubhava (universal experience) not vaiyuktika
anubhava like asaMprajnAtha samAdhi OR nirvikalpa samAdhi which is as per some vyAkhyAnakAra-s stating that mandatory to have Advaita jnana. Yes, this brahma jnana too ‘sva-hrudaya pratyaya’ nobody should dare to question it but it is not based on purushatantra
sAdhana and it is bhUta vastu vishaya jnana through vedAntic SMN. And there is no scope to smell the yOgic dhyAna in vedAntic nidhidhyAsana as we can find that in some vyAkhyAnakAra’s work where nidhidhyAsana = dhyAna and sAkshAtkAra = asaMprajnAtha / nirvikalpa
samAdhi.
Bhagavan starts the discussion on the Samadhi yoga with ‘ekaki Yada chittatma’ एकाकी (ekAkI) = alone
Are we questioning Bhagavan now? 😊
Ø If we know the difference between purusha tantra & vastu tantra jnana and what is the determining factor here in Advaita vedAnta as pramANa janita Advaita jnana, we would have not asked these questions. And this vastu tantra sAdhana is what explained in geeta 6th chapter as well. The process of merging senses in the mind and the mind in Atman (brahmasaMsparshaM). And one who attained this type of knowledge would see Atman in all beings and all beings in the Atman as he sees the same reality everywhere (sarvatra samadharshanaH). If you want to prove that PYS’s dhyAna and samAdhi too guiding us to this saraLa, sahaja sthiti of Atma jnAni then we can say there is absolutely no difference between dvaita yOga shAstra and shrutyanugraheeta Advaita ekatvam.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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