A verse from ? Paramarthasar?

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Ravindra Shivde

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Jul 22, 2023, 1:33:00 AM7/22/23
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Humble pranams to all Advaitins,

Shri  Krishna Menon (Atmananda), quotes the following verse in his book 'Atma Nirvritti'-

यदिदं दृश्यते किञ्चित् - दर्शनात् तन्न भिद्यते।
दर्शनं द्रष्टृतो नान्यद्- द्रष्टैव हि ततो जगत्॥

'What is perceived is not different from perception and perception is not different from the Perceiver and that therefore the world is the Perceiver himself.'

Shri Atmananda mentions that the verse is seen in a book called Paramarthasaram.

There are two books entitled Paramarthasara- one by Adishesha and another by Abhinavagupta. However I could not locate this verse in either of the books. Moreover, both these books are written in Arya metre whereas the abovementioned verse is in Anushtubh metre.

Can anyone help me by identifying the source of this verse?

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Ravindra Shivde


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mangesh.hoskote

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Jul 22, 2023, 9:12:40 AM7/22/23
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Namaste Ravindra Shivde-ji.

The verse is in MahArthamanjarI महार्थमञ्जरी of Sri Maheshvarananda with Auto-commentary "Parimala".


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Mangesh

Ravindra Shivde

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Jul 22, 2023, 1:39:52 PM7/22/23
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Thanks a lot, Mangeshji. I had been searching this for years.
- Ravindra Shivde

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Ravindra Shivde

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Jul 22, 2023, 2:56:25 PM7/22/23
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Dear Mangeshji,

Actually Maheshavaranda quotes from संवित्प्रकाश. So the original source of the verse is संवित्प्रकाश. I am ignorant about this work. Shall try to find out.

Thanks

Yours in Advaita
Ravindra Shivde




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V Subrahmanian

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Jul 22, 2023, 11:54:33 PM7/22/23
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Thanks dear Mangesh ji for the find. It would be interesting to know about the sampradaya and the antiquity of the author of the verse and the one who quotes it. 

Regards
subbu 

Ravindra Shivde

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Jul 23, 2023, 4:08:35 AM7/23/23
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Humble Pranaams to all Advaitins!

Respected Subbuji and Mangeshji.

The verse is from Samvitprakash, a work by one Vaamandatta  belonging to Kashmir Vaishnav tradition. He lived in the 10th Century and is honoured as Abhinavagupta's teacher. Though Vishnu is his chosen deity, the work abounds with ideas which are compatible with the contemporary Monistic Shaivism. Strangely, however, I could not find this verse in the edition of Samvitprakash edited by Shri. Bhagirath Prasad Tripathi. This discrepancy is explained by Raffaele Torella in his scholarly article on Vamandatta. Reference attached herewith-

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- Ravindra Shivde

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V Subrahmanian

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Jul 23, 2023, 5:22:29 AM7/23/23
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Thanks for the information about the author.  If possible the various Advaita-friendly statements there may be collated. 

regards
subbu

sunil bhattacharjya

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Jul 23, 2023, 3:54:04 PM7/23/23
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Dear Ravindraji,

Another claim  seems to be that the verse you mentioned:

यदिदं दृश्यते किञ्चित् - दर्शनात् तन्न भिद्यते।
दर्शनं द्रष्टृतो नान्यद्- द्रष्टैव हि ततो जगत्॥
is from the "Parimal" commentary of  the MahArthamanjari.

If that is so, one should be able to find its exact location?

Best
Sunil K.B.



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Ravindra Shivde

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Jul 24, 2023, 7:34:59 AM7/24/23
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Dear Sunilji,

It is indeed from Parimal commentary on Maharthamanjiri, a Sanskrit commentary on the work by the author himself. The author has quoted it from another source- viz  Samvitprakash by one Vamandatta. 
However the available copy of Samvitprakash by Vamandatta does not contain this verse.. Some of the verses from the second chapter have been lost in the available manuscripts. Perhaps this verse is one of them.
 
Kindly view the comment by Raffaele Torella that I have sent earlier as an attachment

Yours in Advaita
- Ravindra Shivde

sunil bhattacharjya

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Jul 24, 2023, 1:41:14 PM7/24/23
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Dear Ravindraji,

Samvit prakash does not have the verse you quoted, but it has the following verse: 

यत् किञ्चिद् दृश्यते लोके तत् सत् पूर्वं त्वदात्मकम् ।
क्रिया त्वदात्त्मिका विष्णो कार्यं नाथ त्वदात्मकम् ||

Any comment?

Sincerely.
Sunil K Bhattacharjya



Ravindra Shivde

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Jul 26, 2023, 12:24:43 AM7/26/23
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Dear Sunilji

Humble Pranams!

I have based my comment on my understanding of Vamandatta's philosophy as propounded in the introduction to Samvitprakash by Shri Bhagirath Prasad Dwivedi (in Sanskrit) and also in another introduction to the same work (in English) by Dwivedi's student, Mark Dyczkowsky.

यत् किञ्चिद् दृश्यते लोके तत् सत् पूर्वं त्वदात्मकम् ।
क्रिया त्वदात्त्मिका विष्णो कार्यं नाथ त्वदात्मकम् ||

Translates as:

Whatever is seen in this world is already existing as thy own form, all action and the results of all actions are also thy own forms.

In short, everything that IS is nothing but Vishnu. Here Vamandatta echoes the proclamation of Shaivagama texts that 'Everything is Shiva' substituting Vishnu for Shiva. Also, like Shaivagama authors, Vamandatta differs from Advaita Vedantins as he does not ascribe mithyatva (illusory nature) to the world, as is evident from the above verse.

The verse quoted earlier-

यदिदं दृश्यते किञ्चित् दर्शनात् तन्न भिद्यते
दर्शनं द्रष्टृतो नान्यद् द्रष्टैव हि ततो जगत्

strikes a paradoxical note, as here he concedes that the existence of the world is dependent upon the perceiver. Without perceiver, there is no peceived.

In 1/41 to 1/44 of Samvitprakash, Vamandatta elaborates his theory further-
Just as a white cloth, dyed in red colour has to return to whiteness before getting dyed into any other colour, the Consciousness (Samvit) which takes the form of a thought has to return to pure Consciousness before assuming another thought form.

He believes that the assumption of thought forms is discontinuous and there is a gap between two thought forms in which Consciousness exists in its pure form. At 1/4 of Samvitprakash he advocates contemplation on pure Consciousness which exists between thought form as a spiritual practice. 

Yous in Advaita

- Ravindra Shivde





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