Advaita and Madhyamaka Buddhism point to same truth ?

[putran M]

Namaskaram,

Member-scholars can listen to this interview of Swami Sarvapriyananada by Amdrew Holecek, and comment/critique if you agree or have a difference of opinion with the Swami-ji.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLi_ugqA00Y

thollmelukaalkizhu

[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Putranji,

Yes, Advaita and Madhyamaka buddhsim says that same thing. Madhyamaka Buddhism's Shunyata is lacking of 'Svabhava' (own being), Svabhava means what (i) exists through its own power, rather than that of another, (ii) possesses an invariant and inalienable mark, and  (iii) is immutable. This is the same as the 'Param Brahma' of the Advaita.

My 2 cents.

Sunil KB

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[putran M]

Namaskaram,

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Pranam putranji,maybe i might be committing the papa of santa droha but,in the pursuit of satya i cannot stay away from it.

Maharaj ,as usual to the idea of mission" all paths lead to same divine",somehow is forgetting the fact that,"tam tvaupanishadam purusham pricchami(brihad.up),na vedavinmanute tam brihantam( taitt.up) ",suggest the fact that brahman is only approachable through veda and no other pramana,so to suggest that from muhammad to buddha to jesus everybody was talking of brahman( reminding of that incident ,maulvi madni saying om is allah and manu is adam) is plainly misleading and wastage of time.

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As I understood his comments, he makes the important traditional point that the Brahma tattva cannot be realized/known without recourse to Veda pramana and through the type of methods employed by Buddhists.

thollmelukaalkizhu

[Bhaskar YR]

praNAms Sri Putran prabhuji

Hare Krishna

 

As I understood his comments, he makes the important traditional point that the Brahma tattva cannot be realized/known without recourse to Veda pramana and through the type of methods employed by Buddhists.

 

Ø     Some would argue this point like this : those who can use veda pramANa is / should be dvija (twice born / those who have upanayana saMskAra) only brAhmaNa, kshatriya and Vaishya can use this veda pramANa and talk / approach brahman as per veda pramANa.  But for the stree and shUdra-s (non-dvija-s) they don’t have the eligibility to study veda,  for them smruti and purAna which are in accordance with shruti are the valid means to get the ‘same’ result.  So veda and veda permitted other paurusheya texts would be valid to do brahma jignAsa and they would get the realization from these texts / means. Now, the question is if the bible or any religious text in their own native language talking about ‘veda brahman’ ( ofcourse without directly mentioning it brahman or Atman but as some or the other tattva/power) and those who have taken this tattva enquiry for realization, would not get the realization which is as good as vedAntins ‘mOksha’??  if not and veda / shAstra is the only recourse then mOksha enshrined in it is restricted to ONLY dvija-s.  Since bhagavatpAda said ALL are eligible to get mOksha and also said shAstra eva pramANaM, shAstra and shAstra tattva could be in any form or any language and the eligible jignAsu without resorting to traditional exposure towards shAstra ( veda and Vedanta in devanAgari) in his / her own language texts / guru upadesha may get the realization which is on par with Upanishad brahma realization.  And some arguments even clarifies further even though those who do not have the direct exposure in their current janma but realized brahman ( like ramaNa, rishi vAmadeva etc.) they must have completed this shAstra adhyayana in their pUrva (previous) janma/s.  So that traditional verdict that shAstra is the only pramANa is maintained. 

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

[उत्तिष्ठत जाग्रत Bharat]

Pranam bhaskarji,

Puranas and other such texts(including periyapuranam,nalayira divya prabandham,here in bengal books like dharma mangal,chandi mangal,padas of sri eknath in the varkari sampradaya etc)

,which may be purusheya grantha but in the end only explain or translate in laukika sanskrita or prakrita bhashas for easy access to the people belonging to sudra varna,vratya,patitas also including some of the communities from where great mahapurushas like sant chokhamela,sant soyrabai his wife and also women,since as you rightly said,for which i quote bhagavan himself from his taittirya upanishad bhashya सर्वेशाम् चाधिकारो विद्यायाम्।(fyi,even while using words which are not sanskrit eg,thiru or perumal the santas are very clear that they are referring to the vaidika devata such bhagavan krishna or shiva)

 

Whereas koran,bible,tripitaka etc.are not pramanika since they do not even have pramanyam at all ,except that their followers have this blind belief based on the claims made by their prophets,bhantes,padres that these are the words of an omniscient,omnipotent being  for eg,allah,yhwh,jesus or isa or jishu?tathagata(also the christians believe that later writings of paul,john etc are valid since they were inspired by the holy ghost in their hearts therefore writing the word of god),those texts are very much dependent upon the credibility of the speaker.

Which is why when someone comes up like maulana madni of deoband madrassa saying om is allah and manu is adam,then it is a lol moment for me since these buffoons do not get that the knowledge of even the sound aum is known through veda and the shastras which do anukarana of veda.

Whereas there allah is a non existent entity since they cannot prove it's existence by using koran(commiting anyonya pratisthan fallacy),which is why both muslim and christians had to produce so many arguments to establish the existence of a god aka a creator being outside spactime(paraphrasing william craig,theologian).

And as we all in the group know it so well,तर्केऽप्रतिष्ठानात्।

For more amazing arguments against the notion of god,allah,yhwh and such deities we can easily fall back even on the arguments given by bhagavd ramanuja in his 1.1.3 sutra bhashya or on the first section of vishnu tattva vinirnaya.

I would really like ,if other members in the group could correct, any of the wrong things that i may have said, very much unknowingly above.

Yous sincerely 

Saptarshi

Sri krishnarpanamastu.🙏

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[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Saptarshiji,

Please don't put Lord Buddha's teachimgs in the same bracket as the Quran and the Bible. Most Hindu scholars may not be aware that Lord Buddha, though a kshatriya by birth, had vedic education, and he taught a number of brahmin scholars of his time, on the upanishadic concepts, in an easily assimilable way. That was the beginning of the Mahayana Buddhism, and it came to public notice, a few centuries after the parinirvana of Lord Buddha.

My 2 cents

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[suresh srinivasamurthy]

Namaste Sri Bhaskar ji and others

In addition to studying Vedas/purANas and so on, it is the performance of Veda vihita svadharma/varNAshrama dharma/purusha dharma/sthree dharma and so on as a service to Ishwara, resulting in pApa kshaya, followed by surrender and service to a BrahmanishTa guru, that leads to attainment of jnAna/mOksha. Examples of Shabari and Dharma vyAdha can be considered in support of this. In short it is the practice yagya/daana/tapasya followed by Guru shushrusha that leads to pApa kshaya/JnAna/Moksha

IMHO As this is not taught/practiced in non-Vedic Abrahamic religions including Buddhism, attainment of jnAna/mOksha is impossible through them.

Regards,

Suresh

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[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear friends,

It appears that many people don't know that Lord Buddha himself said about the religion he preached as  एष धर्मः सनातनः

My 2 cents

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