It's official—Porsche confirms that the electric 718 will be its flagship model and points to Hyundai as a benchmark for dominating the mobility of the future

[MARC NORDLUND]

https://unionrayo.com/en/porsche-electric-718/ 

[Paul Kahle]

So in addition to noise, we're going to add interuptions in the acceleration so it feels like the car is shifting.  We're going to reverse all the things that make EVs better than combustion cars?  Next, I suppose we can have the scent of gasoline piped through the car?

PK

On Thu, Dec 11, 2025 at 12:23 AM MARC NORDLUND <mnord...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://unionrayo.com/en/porsche-electric-718/ 

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[MARC NORDLUND]

Oh... mentally old people.  Don't knock it until you drive it. Have you driven the Hyundai Ioniq 5N?  You can turn the faux shifting off, BTW

'When you're GREEN you grow, when you're RED you rot' - the apple analogy. 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻

Marc

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[Adam M]

We've had a name for this since 1889, it's called skeuomorphism and it's always been a borderline BS thing, often touted by people who let emotions completely overload their brain. I guess some new EV owners are moaning about how they miss the visceral experience of having a gasoline engine in a sports car. 

But skeuomorphism is how you end up with throwback/awkward things like brand new software that uses the appearance of physical knobs, which were designed for real human touch, to adjust settings in its user interface, even though you're using a mouse for goodness sake.

Porsche's response is as silly as if, when cars were new, they added a gramophone to your car to simulate the whinnying and clip-clop sounds of the horses pulling your carriage. Or adding a big fan to blow in your face while flying in a modern plane to simulate the experience of an old open cockpit.

I understand their viewpoint, but it's a dysfunctional way to perceive the world and locks your thinking into a kind of modern reality denial. For example, when you go to a 1980s vintage clothing store to satisfy your nostalgia craving, but that strong dose of reality hits you via the old clothes smell. The 1980s didn't smell that bad, but that's what it's like when you try to force the past into today, without meaningful, functional reasons. In the end, it just stinks.

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[MARC NORDLUND]

You really need to find a hobby. This isn't a PhD dissertation 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻

Marc

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[Rollie Perez]

um. Marc, 

This is his hobby.  

And I think the Hyundai idea is great. It’s a full size video game as well as clean transportation and may open up the market. 

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[Glenn Brooks]

Could be beneficial if Porsche synchronizes engine “noise” and transmission gear shifting to the vehicle’s actual transmission  response to speed and road conditions.  I’ve always found “feeling” the car’s response to varying road conditions is important.  

Plus, maybe recorded EV engine noise will help break the Bubba driving mentality… 

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[MARC NORDLUND]

Thank you Rollie for your positive response, rather than the bloated, pessimistic one. 

Marc

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[Adam M]

Hi Marc, 

As I reconsider your main points in the debate, maybe you're correct that Hyundai/Porsche are doing the right thing. And the proof is, as you pointed out, that I used many words. Your subtle yet unassailable logic got me again.

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