Lazarette cut out on starboard side

[JMarc ARCANGELI]

Hello everyone I need to pick into the group’s brain for the removal/ cut out of the lazarette starboard side. I need to get access to the transom for a Hydrovane. 

• Did any of you had to do that? 
• Would you mind spending 5 mn of your time for some explanation? 
• Would you have any pic?

I would like to cut it out and then fabricate or else a kind of small bin to have it in back and easily out. What should I do?

Any suggestions/ thoughts that would be terrific

Regards

JMarc

[Bill Schmidt]

We did this on Wind Witch: cut out carefully around the innermost side of the lip. This preserves the drainage structure. Remove the bin. Finish off the lip. You now have a gynormous, huge storage locker!!! You can, if you chose, epoxy wooden struts to the sides (front and back only) and fit a removable flooring.This allows access to the entire back end when you need to get in there, but makes it so much easier to retrieve stuff that gets stored there. Over the last 30 years, we never regretted the "loss" of a removable bin.

Billy Manana

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[Marty McOmber]

We literally just did this project a few months ago. Like Bill says it is fairly straightforward and it opens up a vast storage space. 

I’m in the process now of figuring out how to build a few removable pieces to keep gear from interfering with the radial arm drive. Any thoughts on that by others would be most welcome 

So nice to have all that additional space and access. One thing you will need to address if you cut it out is the shared drainage with the propane locker. In ours, both lockers were connected to the same fiberglass tube that connected to the above-the-waterline thru hull. I opted to tear the entire thing out and just make a new drain system with hose and fittings for the propane locker. 

When cutting out the locker do as Bill suggests and keep the gutter in place. For us the only challenge as along the forward side where the fiberglass layup under that gutter was a good deal thicker than on the after and port and starboard sides. You can see in the picture below that this required and additional cut. 

We have a cowl vent just above this area. And with no access over the past 38 years that transom area collected an amazing amount of gunk. I tried several products to clean it but the one that worked amazingly well we the industrial engine degreaser from 3M. Just wear appropriate vapor mask as the ammonia is very strong. 

We too plan to install a hydrovane. So please let us know how that goes. 

And I will be sharing a more in depth report on the new rudder and steering system we built and installed on ever the winter very soon. Initial sea trials have made me very happy with how it has all turned out. 

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[JMarc ARCANGELI]

Hey Bill, Hey Marty......... So Sorry guys I was never been flagged about your responses guys and I feel embarrassed now. Just looked at the group today to find out you kindly answered my query.

By the way between here and Facebook group I got lost in translation. Any way. I finally did as you mentioned guy and gosh the boat got bigger. I have taken out the plywood board on the starboard side of the cut out and find more space. I am just behind the back of the aft cabin.  I am thinking "maybe" to cut an opening from the aft cabin to get access from there too. Not sure yet just thinking.

So far, I have cut out at about 10 cm from the innermost side of the lip. I may have to recut a bit smaller. 

Mine too have both lockers connected to the same fiberglass tube that connected to the above-the-waterline thru hull. So far, I have cut out the lazarette part thinking what doing next. Marty ‘s seems a good idea, another thing to dig.

Now that I can see I have access to the transom,  next is to decide on Hydrovane but ..... I am located in Brisbane Oz land down under and the freight is just monstrous. Any idea of a cheaper transport? 

As I have a swimming platform very handy my only option is the hydrovane installed off centre on the starboard side see pic

Anyway, I will let you posted with picture on the Hydrovane.

Look guys once again so sorry and an ENORMOUS thank you for your brain sharing.

If you ever come around here just flag me. Hopefully I will see it this time

Stay safe with kind regards

JMarc 

[JMarc ARCANGELI]

Hey Guys Just to come back on our previous conversations. Thanks to you guys we are enjoying a ........How do say Billy ? a Gynormous lazarette !!!!!. Yep I agree, you right I will fit all my singing mermaids in there. Now, on a serious note, I will pick you brain again if I may. I am installing the Hydrovane but I do have a slight probleme to identify.  What is that bulge on the inside of the transom. About 4/5 cm thick. It looks like a bulge foam of some sort. There are two horizontal bulges, one on starboard stern lazarette and one on port stern lazarette side. They are on the same level with a space of about 40 cm between due to the backstay backplate, I presume. 

The back plate of the Hydrovane lower bracket (as always Grrr) will fit right on that bulge. Now, here is my question. Can I cut away  (see the picture)  that bulge of about 20 cm to be able to have my back plate to rest flat againt the fiberglass ? Thank you so much for your time and wisdom. It seems we do have all the same bulge, as  I can see on yours (pic) Marty. Regards JMarc

[Bill Schmidt]

My guess is that the bulge is a supporting support strut to strengthen the transom and keep it from flexing. The two horizontal bulges are likely support pads for the old transom ladder,,,now likely gone and unneeded.

b.

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[Marty McOmber]

I agree.  I bet you will find that they used foam to make that strut. We are out cruising right now, or I would ask my fiberglass/boat builder guy how much of an impact cutting in that would make and what he would do to reinforce the transom. 

I’m very interested in what you find as I’m planning to install a Hydrovane in a few months and will likely face the same issues.

Thanks!

Marty 

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[Kevin]

Years ago, we moved the aft chain plate on our P40 from the factory installed location to outside the hull.  In the process we found that those horizontal bulges, and the area where the chain plate was bolted, were glass-over-plywood.  The plywood had gotten wet, rotted, and allowed the bolts holding the chain plate to start moving.  The chain plate lifted and caused all kinds of problems.  Anyway, in fixing the problem we ground out all the glass and plywood “reinforcements” and rebuilt them, sans wood.

I’d be leery of cutting out a piece of the horizontal reinforcement; seems it would lose its purpose in life.  That said, I’m amazed every time I do anything on the boat how little I really know.  Thank God for dumb luck and people who know more and will share their knowledge.

Good luck,

Kevin
SV Casi Cielo