could solipsism destroy the human species?
Paul Werbos
David Marjanovic
Of course Trump is the next "best" thing to a solipsist: he's a narcissistic "psychopath"/"sociopath" who understands full well that other people exist, but doesn't care what emotions they have – he only takes himself, his desires, his goals as important, and other people are either means to these ends, or obstacles that need to be removed, or irrelevant. That is, obviously, dangerous.
* Latin: solus ipse = only male-singular-self (myself, yourself, himself), sola ipsa = only female-singular-self (myself, yourself, herself).
Paul Werbos
Solipsism* is the view that only I exist, or only my mind exists, and everything else is a figment of my imagination. Well, whether inside or outside my imagination, few if any people claim to be solipsists, so I have a hard time seeing how it could destroy anything.
Of course Trump is the next "best" thing to a solipsist: he's a narcissistic "psychopath"/"sociopath" who understands full well that other people exist, but doesn't care what emotions they have – he only takes himself, his desires, his goals as important, and other people are either means to these ends, or obstacles that need to be removed, or irrelevant. That is, obviously, dangerous.
* Latin: solus ipse = only male-singular-self (myself, yourself, himself), sola ipsa = only female-singular-self (myself, yourself, herself).
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But to deny the existence of objective reality, either explicitly or (more common) in the way one tries to understand the universe or make policy, the phenomenon is all around us in many, many forms. To fully grasp the concept of objective reality, not only at a surface level but at a deeper level, seems to be a bit of a challenge for our species.
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Proceeding from within,
Which did on every side, convey
Itself, and being nigh of kin
To God did every way
Dilate itself even in an instant, and
Like an indivisible centre stand,
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It's actually related to relativity. There is no preferred place and no preferred direction. Therefore, if you push an object away from you, you're also pushing yourself away from the object. You and the object will receive the same kinetic energy with opposite directions. Or consider a gas in an enclosed space. As many particles collide with the front wall as with the back wall. If you remove a wall, you get a rocket: the push on the opposite wall is no longer compensated, so the wall moves in the opposite direction from the jet.
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On Feb 12, 2018 3:15 AM, "Paul Werbos"But to deny the existence of objective reality, either explicitly or (more common) in the way one tries to understand the universe or make policy, the phenomenon is all around us in many, many forms. To fully grasp the concept of objective reality, not only at a surface level but at a deeper level, seems to be a bit of a challenge for our species.A strong assertion of objective reality is as naive as its outright rejection. All theories and concepts operate only within a certain domain. If scientists can be stubborn in their assertion, others can also be stubborn in their rejection. As Newton said, every action has an equal an opposite reaction. In my opinion, this is the most important law of this universe.
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> Certainly Trump has made similar points, and the energy of the many
> backreactions against reality all over the world are real and overwhelming.
reality where ______. So I won't."
In that blank insert variously:
- "my tribe is not superior to all other human beings"
- "my tribe's gods are not superior to all"
- "my tribe's leader tells constant lies"
- "our opponents include a number of people reasoning in good faith"
A number of things come to mind which are not tribal, and fit the blank,
including things which, even realistically, are better not believed. Yet the
solipsism of tribal identity seems the particular danger now -- not the
individual per se, but the individual self-identified with a tribe. This
generally is accompanied with paranoia about the tribe's being "repressed,"
even in situations where the tribe-in-question dominates.
Best,
Whit
Stephen Jarosek
Dear members,
The important points being raised by Alex and Kushal, below, and others in the solipsism thread, inspired me to introduce a brief outline on the relevance of semiotic theory. As I introduced in my accompanying post, just now, replying to Paul Werbos, the men’s rights movement provided the seeds of cultural change. The because genes narrative of Neo-Darwinism lies behind the myth of pre-programmed instincts to account for men’s and women’s motivations. This is complete nonsense. Peircean biosemiotics provides a much more compelling interpretation for how men and women make choices from culture. Let’s take a look.
So how might semiotic theory relate to gender politics? Here are the essential elements of gender roles, within the context of Peircean semiotics:
1) Gender roles are habits;
2) Gender roles are chosen (association, conditioning);
3) Men and women “like” the roles to which they have been assigned.
A couple of essential points to note:
1) Genes do not determine anything. While genes are still important, within a biosemiotic context, they do not “explain” complexity. If anything, they are better understood in the context of resistance to change, rather than the determination of change… you know, a kind of momentum of form, rather than a blueprint for form;
2) The above three points are simply restatements of Peirce’s three categories… namely, thirdness (gender roles are habits); secondness (gender roles relate to associative learning… the associations that are chosen/ experienced); and firstness (gender roles as they relate to motivation);
3) Neural plasticity relates to habituation, associative learning and motivation in neurons… yup, the Peircean categories apply to single cells, too (I discuss this in my 2001 Semiotica article, The law of association of habits);
4) Imitation as an important dimension of Peirce’s pragmatism (or pragmatacism). Perhaps a new word needs to be invented… imitation, as I intend it, is much more than blind copying… the notion of knowing how to be provides a richer context that is consistent with semiosis and pragmatism;
5) Culture as a thought. This is consistent with Peirce’s the man is the thought. The notion of culture as a thought is an expression of the realization that each choice we make has a specific meaning with reference to its cultural context;
6) Biosemiotics is a more general interpretation of the semiotics of C.S. Peirce. It takes the anthropocentric priority of semiotics, and extends it to a more general context for all living entities.
I make a brief reference to neural plasticity above. Yup, it has a direct part to play, too, in gender politics. Why? Professor Jill Stamm (specializing in infant brain development) of Arizona State University has guesstimated that 90% of a human brain’s wiring is accomplished within the first four years of life. Guess what looms large in the first four years of any infant’s life… it is the primary nurturer. It is the primary nurturer that first defines the things that matter (Peirce, pragmatism). In other words, if human cultures are being “oppressed” by anyone, it is the primary nurturer that has a primary role in inculcating those nasty, oppressive, “patriarchal” values that supposedly oppress women. Last time I checked, the primary nurturer has tended to be female.
Now regarding this notion of culture as a thought: Every object in a culture is a cultural artifact that has meaning within a cultural context. The beer upon which I sip in Prague is established in a very different context to the beer that I sip in Munich, or Sydney, or San Francisco, or Budapest. In each context in which I make a choice is the cultural thought, or narrative, that informs it. In other words, the historical context, and whether you clink your beers, the words you use, the conversations you engage in… and whether you are male or female. What might sipping a beer in Prague have in common with a lion stalking a gazelle, bees swarming, a car mechanic fixing a car, a fish in a net, a ballet dancer dancing, leukocytes rolling slowly on endothelial cells, and P-selectins on endothelial cells interacting with PSGL1? Seemingly disparate, unrelated events, they are united under one set of universal laws. Each is a player in a context, and as such, each is a sign that has a meaning within that context. And this is why Peircean biosemiotic theory and the three categories, understood in the context of motivation, association and habituation, are so important.
Regards
Stephen Jarosek
PAUL WERBOS >”Since a time five years ago, many things have happened which seemed impossible, to those who assume nothing can change.”
The changes we’ve seen in the past few years are amazing… certainly exceeding anything that I had anticipated. The seed for that change, I contend, was the men’s rights movement. How has this come to pass that gender politics might lie at the heart of cultural change? Let’s take a look.
Very briefly… the core problem of the Occident currently expresses itself in the form of Neo-Darwinian genetic determinism (genocentrism). Genocentrism is the not-God reply to the because-God of anthropocentric Judeo-Christian Creationism. From the perspective of not-God, because there is no god, a vacuum is created that demands an explanation. The dumb luck of sterile materialism has to be sufficient to explain life confined to a lone, average planet, within a universe comprised of trillions of galaxies and trillions of billions of planets (such innocent naïveté would be endearing, were the implications not so devastating). This contrasts with eastern religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, which never externalized and anthropomorphized their interpretation of god. In contrast to the Occidental god, the Hindu/Buddhist god never stood outside of nature as an external meddler that created stuff to alleviate his loneliness/boredom. Hinduism/Buddhism, from what I’ve seen, has little difficulty with the notion of life throughout the cosmos.
Gender roles have been especially problematic, within the context of genocentrism. You know, the idea that genes determine the motivations of men and women. This brings us to feminism and liberalism. Cultural relativism is one important expression of this dysfunction. Cultural relativists have an important point to make with reference to the choices that we make… but their cultural relativism is naively formulated, because Occidental epistemology never laid the foundations upon which to build a solid paradigm. You can’t just wake up one morning and decide that you are the wrong gender, and that society has to accommodate your self-indulgent interpretation of LGBTW…XYZ. The cognitive dissonance of the left, for whom anti-white racism is not racism and anti-male sexism is not sexism, is staggering. And now that liberalism, in the wake of Trump, is mockingly discrediting itself, we are seeing an apparent resurgence of the because-genes baloney. This is unfortunate… it needs to be nipped in the bud. It is imperative, at this critical point in history, for the Occident to get their paradigm right, to stave off the resurging because-genes nonsense of Neo-Darwinism.
Ultimately, the broken narratives of a broken paradigm eventually had to come to a head. And they expressed themselves most sharply in that inevitable response to liberal-feminism’s dysfunctional narratives… the men’s rights movement. What is now called the right, or alt-right, or alt-lite (for those seeking to distance themselves from the extremists), has its origins in the men’s rights movement. In 2004, my article The wage gap myth is hazardous to men's health was among the first to challenge the wage gap myth, and the wage gap controversy took off from around that time. Because my thinking was never constrained by the because-genes of Neo-Darwinism, I was able to focus on the basis of men’s and women’s motivations, and therefore, on how men and women made choices… as, for example, When one side has an escape hatch.
These days, mercifully, the challenges to liberal totalitarianism and feminist orthodoxy are everywhere. From Professor Jordan Peterson on the wage gap to former feminist Cassie Jaye now turning her back on feminism, there is a powerful awakening that ensures the world will never be quite the same again. If we know something, then we each have a duty to speak out… to run from that obligation because we fear being called mean words, like “racist” or “sexist”, is an abdication of responsibility. None of us can change the world on our own, but speaking truth to groupthink plants the seeds of change. Sure solipsism might still stand to destroy us… but I think there’s hope on the horizon.
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