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Howard Tessler

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Apr 25, 2023, 10:23:18 AM4/25/23
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From Laurel Phillips:Hello Howard, my husband and I have lived on Norton St for 7 years and love our bikes. Am writing a note of concern about danger of tandem riding- our bike lane along GOM is very narrow and the road is only one lane each way as you know. I have had to cross the yellow lines for tandem riders and deeply resent the danger presented to all concerned. In discussing this with other neighbors I have heard some horror stories- let’s avoid these. Your group would be instrumental in putting out the message that GOM is not safe for side by side riding. Do you agree? 

reply: I think side by side riding is a better description since I initially thought your question was about Tandem bikes where 2 people ride 1 bike.

In a narrow lane I think it is against the law to ride side by side: It is also dangerous.

From Christopher Burns (Floridabikelaw.com)


Is it Legal to Ride Bicycles Side-by-Side?
When you ride your bicycle with a group, are you legally allowed to ride side-by-side? How many riders across are you allowed to ride? How wide can your pace line be? Are there good reasons to ride more than single file, or is single file always safest? What does Florida Law allow?
POSTED BYCHRIS BURNSINFLORIDA BICYCLE LAWS
Is it Legal to Ride Bicycles Side-by-Side?

Riding more than single file in a group bicycle ride can actually be more safe than riding single file. Safety is enhanced by cyclists being able to communicate clearly with one another.  When bicycle riders are side-by-side they can talk clearly to one other. Riding single file, communications become a shouting match or a series of hand gestures.  I am aware of only one state that requires all bicycling be single file – Nebraska.

Yet, we bicyclists must also be aware of road rage. Many motorist can be enraged when they think that cyclists are blocking their travel. Too many motorists think of cyclists the same way – they should not even be on the road, they are obstacles, and when they ride side-by-side, they are arrogantly trying to invade the cars’ proper space.  This can also lead to bicycle accidents injuries or even fatal cycling tragedies.

Florida Statute 316.2065 (6) says:

Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway may not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast may not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing.

What does this Florida bicycle safety law really mean?

Let me give you some examples:

  • Bike Lane or Bike Path - two or more cyclists abreast is legal - If you are riding in a bike lane or bike path, you are allowed to ride two abreast, or even more than two, within this designated area.
  • Sharing the Road with Motorists – up to two (2) bicycle riders across is legal, depending on the road width.

There are two important components of the law that apply to riding bicycles on the road, sharing the road with motorist. First, motorists must give you three (3) feet when passing you.  Second, you must not impede motorist by riding two across.  What does this mean?

On very wide roads, it is possible for a motorist to pass two cyclists abreast, giving three feet, by staying in the lane. Here the cyclists are not impeding the motorist. Riding bikes two across is perfectly legal in Florida.

On many roads, the lanes of travel are narrower than 14 feet.  Then bicyclists are not “impeding traffic” if they ride two abreast, as compared to one abreast.  In order to give the cyclists three feet of passing room, the motorist needs to take the opposing lane.  Because these roads are narrow, the motorist would have to take part of the opposing lane no matter if there was one rider or two riders abreast, in order for the motorist to pass and give 3 feet.  The fact that that a second cyclist is present doesn’t change what the motorist must do – go all or partially into the opposing lane - when no traffic is coming the opposite direction.  The second cyclist does not impede traffic any more than a single cyclist does.  The motorist couldn’t pass with three feet by staying in its lane even with one cyclist.

There are some occasions when riding two abreast would impede traffic.  Then cyclists should ride only one across. This is where the lane of travel is about 14 feet, allowing for a car to stay in the lane to pass one cyclist with three feet.  If two riders are across, the motorist won’t be able to pass by staying in the lane and giving three feet.  If there is opposing traffic, the 2nd cyclist is then impeding traffic, because the motorist must wait for opposing traffic to clear.



Don Pratt

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Apr 25, 2023, 11:18:16 AM4/25/23
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I agree
I am a tandem rider ( 2 people on 1 bike)
You need to clarify that you mean side by side

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On Apr 25, 2023, at 10:23 AM, Howard Tessler <howard....@gmail.com> wrote:

From Laurel Phillips:Hello Howard, my husband and I have lived on Norton St for 7 years and love our bikes. Am writing a note of concern about danger of tandem riding- our bike lane along GOM is very narrow and the road is only one lane each way as you know. I have had to cross the yellow lines for tandem riders and deeply resent the danger presented to all concerned. In discussing this with other neighbors I have heard some horror stories- let’s avoid these. Your group would be instrumental in putting out the message that GOM is not safe for side by side riding. Do you agree? 
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Phil Tucker

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Apr 25, 2023, 11:26:26 AM4/25/23
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The GOM bike lane is too narrow and dangerous period for this and other reasons. Riding side by side invites an even higher level of vulnerability.

Please be careful.

Phil


Laurel Phillips

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Apr 25, 2023, 12:08:46 PM4/25/23
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Sorry I did mean side by side cycling, not tandem. Just because it may be legal it is putting your cyclists at risk for the Gulf of Mexico Dr length of Longboat Key. I appealed to your local group as you know better than anyone what our island is like and have worked hard to improve the bike lane conditions. While the lane stays as narrow as it is I hope you communicate to visitors and fellow members to be careful. Thanks for listening. 

Laurel Gilbert Phillips


On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:26 AM, Phil Tucker <ptuc...@comcast.net> wrote:

The GOM bike lane is too narrow and dangerous period for this and other reasons. Riding side by side invites an even higher level of vulnerability.

ARTHUR WOOD

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Apr 25, 2023, 1:03:08 PM4/25/23
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While I do not recommend riding two abreast within the GMD bike lanes, experienced road riders, especially those who race,  can safely do this. However, when I am riding in a single line with a group or even alone, drivers frequently, straddle the double yellow lines or even move completely into the opposing traffic lane! It seems that they can not estimate the required 3ft clearance required by Florida Law!
If riders, singly or otherwise, are within the marked bike lane, there is no need for most vehicles to cross the yellow line, while still allowing at least 3ft..

Arthur Wood

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Apr 25, 2023, 5:09:34 PM4/25/23
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3 feet is the minimum required by law… but it doesn’t feel like much when a car passes you at 50mph on GMD.  When driving my car, I regularly give bikers far more than 3 feet as a matter of safety and common courtesy … and I don’t hesitate to cross the double yellow when it’s safe to do so, especially since GMD is almost entirely double yellow.   I certainly appreciate when cars do that for me when I’m on my bike.      As for riding tandem, while it may be legal on GMD, it strikes me as rather foolish.

 

Jim Haft

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Howard Tessler

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Apr 25, 2023, 7:00:18 PM4/25/23
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I see passing on the right in the bike lane frequently.  It is against the law to my knowledge.  I recall a 'Cops Corner'  in the Observer a few years ago about a ticket being given for this.
Howard

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 5:39:09 PM UTC-4 Cotterman wrote:

Jumping into the fray…. One thing that worries me is the drivers on their phones (or whatever they’re doing) routinely weaving in and out of the bike lane. I stay as far to the right as I can and have been passed by cars with their tires on the white line and even inside of it. What concerns me even more is something that happened today. Driving south (don’t recall the exact location), a car was waiting to turn left. The car in front of me swerved into the bike lane to go around the waiting car. I stopped and waited, but the car behind me swerved into the bike lane and went by both of us. I have never seen that before. He (or she) was going full speed, too. Where are Longboat Key’s finest when these things happen? Isn’t it illegal for cars to use the bike lane to pass other vehicles on the right? And passing two cars? I love riding and I love using the designated bike lanes, but there are times when I wonder how long before I get hit.

 

Drew Cotterman

(443) 994-8721

Howard Tessler

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Apr 25, 2023, 9:40:21 PM4/25/23
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he Florida Driver’s Handbook (download PDF) states that motorists turning right must yield to bicyclists who are crossing their path.  The Handbook also says “Motorized vehicles are not allowed to drive in bike lanes; they may cross over them when turning at intersections, but only when no bicyclists are present in the bike lane.”  Furthermore, please keep in mind that motorists should not begin their right turn from the middle of their vehicle lane!  Before they begin to turn right, they should pull over to the right edge of the curb or roadway.  If there is a bike lane, they should pull into the bike lane first, before they begin to turn right.  Florida Statute Section 316.151 states:

Phil Tucker

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Apr 26, 2023, 9:00:09 AM4/26/23
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Makes a good epitaph — assume few know the laws, especially the right turn reg., when on the Gulf.

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