Lazyjack / Wishbone Hangers / Sail Holder / Cradle

[Austin Smyth]

Hello,

I need to replace the lines that hang off the wishbone that hold the mainsail. Commonly I believe called the lazyjack or wishbone hangers. Does anyone know what size each of the lines should be and what the best thickness is?

Austin Smyth

Mistral 227

Fairfield & Guilford, CT

[Joe Valinoti]

I assume you mean the “cradle lines”  Wishbone hangers are the two wire rope lines holding the wishbone up.  These lengths are listed in your owner’s manual.

Regards,

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Mike BIANKA]

I've been using this parachute cord.

https://amzn.to/3PPLtax

Also comes in handy for use as a flag halyard and bucket lanyards.

Mike

BIANKA

1986 30U

Long Island

[Mark Powers La Reina 26C Vancouver, B.C.]

Austin we can’t answer because we don’t know the model of boat you have. It is good to include the information in you signature block or profile heading.

Mark Powers

[William Evans]

I use cheap 1/8 (I think) braided nylon line. I use brummel hooks to disconnect the cradle lines when removing the sale. To prevent chafe of the sail cover I use clear plastic pipe/ tubing strung threw the cradle line. 

William Evans
“Companionship “ 30U #465
West River MD.

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[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

I used to use pipe tubing but it got all crotty and stiff and yucky. I switched to a 2' - 3' length of webbing to actually support the sail (nice and gently) while allowing me to continually adjust the length of the actual cord. I use cheap little hooks to hook onto the boom hardware. As she is taken apart every fall, it all removes very easily and can be checked (along with EVERYTHING else).

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Joe Valinoti]

I use sister clips to extend the cradle lines when racing which helps to reduce distortion of the foot. 

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

That's a good idea, Joe.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Bill M]

My boat came with sister clips on the lazy jacks and the length of the lazy jacks is such that I don't have to undo them when the sail is up as their lengths have them just below the foot of the raised sail, Something annoying ts that this limits the opening of the front hatch to about 6". Cradle lines are asymmetric so the sail (actually the sail cover) does not rest on them

Bill Mortensen

NS 30U #335

Summer Song

Nona, CT

[Jim Cosgrove]

Bill,

We attach the halyard around the flaked sail/sail cover in the area near the hatch and lift. Creates lots of room to not only fully open the hatch but add a wind scoop too. 

Jim Cosgrove 

FATE 30U #343

Galesville, MD

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[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Another smart idea !!   Good thinking, Jim.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Julie & Lloyd on Rendezvous]

Instead of sister clips, we use 1/4" braided line for our lazy jacks and make it adjustable using taut line hitch (https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/tautline-hitch).  We can easily adjust the length of our lazy jacks to whatever we want, when we want.  The taut line hitch is a very useful knot - we also use it for our dodger - we have lines to keep it pulled back instead of webbing and can easily adjust it or drop it.

lloyd herman

Rendezvous, 30U 424

Port Washington, NY

[Jean Morissette]

Merci Lloyd,

Great idea, I will use this knot

All the best

Jean Morissette 

Third Base 30C 224

Berthierville 
Québec Canada

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Instead of sister clips, we use 1/4" braided line for our lazy jacks and make it adjustable using taut line hitch (https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/tautline-hitch).  We can easily adjust the length of our lazy jacks to whatever we want, when we want.  The taut line hitch is a very useful knot - we also use it for our dodger - we have lines to keep it pulled back instead of webbing and can easily adjust it or drop it.

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[Bill M]

Great idea!  I always run the halyard back to the aft end of the wishbone when docked which is a bit of a pain. I see other boats that run it down to a forward stanchion base but I'm not a fan of this because of chafing concerns and the halyard just being in the way when going forward. I see one boat that has a strap that they put around the covered main pretty much over the hatch. I need to get a strap but this pretty much kills two birds with one stone, so to speak.

Thanks,

Bill M.

Summer Song NS30U 335

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[Joe Valinoti]

Mine is simply run to a short line with a loop and the stbd deck organizer and attaches easily.  Doesn’t bang on mast and out of the way of everything.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Jim Cosgrove]

Lloyd,

That tautline hitch is an interesting idea, thanks. However, I would see it as a complement to sister clips instead of a replacement. 

Later this fall, I will open the sister clips on FATE and drop the sail—ensconced in the sail cover—to the deck. Then we carry this”snake “ to the marina where we properly fold the sail for storage. Obviously we reverse the process in the spring. This avoids having to “thread” the sail through the cradle lines. So I only open/close the sister clips 2x/year. 

The tautline hitch would seem to come in handy for fine tuning the length of the cradle lines. 

One question for you—does the hitch slip when the cradle lines are not under load—that is, when you’re sailing? I normally think of the hitch as needing a load to hold tight. 

Jim Cosgrove 

FATE 30U #343

Galesville, MD

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[David Watson]

When tied on the bight, also called a Prusik knot by climbers, if I'm not mistaken.

dw

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[Tim in STL, NS26Ue White O'morn]

On White O'morn, our NS e26, we do the same thing but we put a drop cloth carpet runner down on the dock and lay the "snake" on it.  We can swing the wishbone out to the finger dock and drop the aft end of the sail down onto the runner, then we take the halyard and wrap it around near the front of the "snake", swing the wishbone out once again and lower the forward end of the snake.  Since are car is parked only 20 yards away we then drag the wrapped snake up to the car.  If we can get the beast into the car with one gentle fold we take it home, spread it out on the driveway and give it a good bath before folding it up for the winter.  No heavy lifting.

Tim in STL
White O’morn NS e26U #216
Harbor Point Yacht Club
West Alton, MO

[Julie & Lloyd on Rendezvous]

We thread our jack lines through webbing loops that are sewn to our sail cover (a top loading cover I made).  The taut line hitch does not seem to loosen while we are sailing, but there is always the load of the sail cover on it.  For our last traditional sail cover, we had lengths of webbing that went under the sail/cover and used taut line hitches in the same manner with that cover.

At the end of the season, we spray down the sail and let it dry while in a slip.  Then we untie the hitches and drop the sail inside its cover to the deck, fold it into thirds, tie it up and throw it over the lifelines into a boatyard cart. We take it to our car (hopefully at high tide otherwise it is tough to push it up the ramp)  and then stuff it into our station wagon.  We head to our club and open it up in our main room when no one is about, inspect the sail and barring any need for repairs, fold it and take it home for the winter.

lloyd herman

Rendezvous, 30U

Port Washington, NY