What happened to N36 #25

[Sprio]

Hi to you all, Nonsuchers.

I've posted a couple of reply's on this forum and shortly was asked what happened to "Dearie" N36 #25. Well, here's the story!

First let me tell you who I am. I'm 41 years old and crossed the Atlantic on my 62 year old aluminium Ketch 4 years ago. I rebuild that riveted ketch in a period of about 10 years time and promised myself I would never take on another extensive project like that... The boat was my second skin, not everything I ever wanted but mine and somehow everything I needed. Sailed from The Netherlands (Europe) to Florida (US) and further with that boat. It did let me down but nothing unfixable. We and she made it!

Guess what happens... Somewhere along our journey we come across a devastated bay, completely wrecked by hurricane Irma. Hundreds of catamarans flipped over, it looks like a war zone.  In a corner of the bay only one boat is still afloat with what appears to be cosmetic damage only. Railings bend, some serious scratches but afloat. She looks seriously neglected though... This is Paraquita Bay in the BVI's.

I tracked down the owner and made an offer. She did not agree with what I thought of the boat and turned the offer down.

We continued our journey and set sail to florida. This was just before hurricane season 2018.

We spend a couple of months in Jacksonville trying to decide where to go next. Some time to kill, I read anything and everything I could find about Nonsuches. Asked a few sailor friends and decided to contact the owner of "Dearie" to ask how she and the boat is doing. My offer still stands I told her. Come and collect her, as is where is, minus personal items was her reply.

That meant going down the Thornypath heading for the BVI's for us. Is "Dearie" worth that? This is around Christmas time 2018.

We decided to GO!

Obviously this is not the end of this tale. More to come when I feel like writing in a foreign language to me. So excuse and bear with me, the story is far from over.

Mark
N36 #25

[John Alexander Stewart]

Hey Mark;

I'm rusty with Dutch (learnt it while living just north of The Hague for 5 years in the '90s) and it was my official working tongue when I was working in Brussels, so feel free to write in Dutch.

You see, not only will it be good practice for me, it'll also pay for my  beer when at Nonsuch gatherings. Yes, I'm cheap, and hopeful that nobody here has heard of Google Translate.

(actually, to tell you the truth, I stream Radio 2 in my workshop, and at times I think that the language has changed greatly since I was surrounded by it, or the slang is stronger, or...)

You live in a great country, and have one fantastic boat now on your hands;

John A. Stewart

NS26C 046 Kingston ON.

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Mark -

I know a few Dutch "special" words (gleaned while working with Dutch stagehands on tour in Holland, a few times). I even know how to say "Hello" in Fries ( a LOVELY area to rent a houseboat). I adore the Netherlands. I love the way the Dutch complain about 4 million Dutch supporting 14 million .....

Anyway, that is one hell of a story and, by your photos, that's one hell of a nice restoration that you are undertaking. 

Atta boy !!  Stay healthy.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Sprio]

Will the engine tick over? Is there Irma damage under water and what about the balsa hull? How do I get the purchage sum to the seller from a foreign bank account? What about paperwork? How do I get the boat to the Netherlands? What did we got ourselves in to? And these are not our only uncertanties because one of our biggest concerns was, will we get Dearie out of Paraquita bay since Irma threw a lot of sand in front of the narrow entrance. Salvage teams dug a trench through it to get acces to the bay with a barge and a crane but those steel structures are shallow. Above that, I didn't know if N36 #25 was equipped with a shallow or normal keel...

Next to that, the Thornless Path is far from thornless and got nicknamed the Thornypath not just by us. It's a route to get to the Caribbean islands, coming from the US, going directly into tradewinds and Atlantic current. Bruce van Sant wrote a damn good guide which we followd up to the letter and it helped a lot. The waves however did not get any smaller by doing so.

To top it of, we had to arrive within a timeframe. Beginning of May there will sail a yacht transport ship from st Thomas, USVI's to the Netherlands. We didn't want to mis that since I prepaid half the transport fee upfront ($6k).

We raced through the Bahama's, Turks and Caicos, Dominican Republic - Mona Passage - and Puerto rico to finally get back at Paraquita Bay, Tortola BVI's.
The Nonsuch was still there, afloat and not looted! The day after we arrived, I got my snorkeling gear out and scraped about 1 full inch of foul of her bottom. In the murky waters of the bay I couldn't see much but at touch I could tell: no further damage. So far so good. I still couldn't see the shape of the keel, shallow or not. The keel was just hoovering above a very dirty bottem of the bay. Soft mud and lots of grass. Very dark brown murky waters.

We agreed on as-is-where-is, so I arranged a money transfer to the sellers bank account. Meanwhile, we start echoing the trench with our dinghy to get her out of the bay. 5ft2 at best in high tides. No waves allowed. We could not get into the boat to work on the engine or do anything else. Pretty tense because we had enough to do for her trip from BVI's to the USVI's to get her on the freighter. Without a working engine that's sort of a problem.

And the engine did not work...

more to come

mark

N36 #25

[Kate Herman]

Hi Mark - oh please do keep us all posted. 

I'm another big fan of The Netherlands - my son lives and works in the Hague with his French wife and we visit as often as possible.  Last trip was last October to sail in the KilpperRace, which was great fun.  There is a large Nonsuch way up in the north - do you know them?  they only got the boat and imported her in the last 2 years or so.  If you don't know them I'll try to find for you (Facebook sailing group friend)

Best, Kate

N26 Sea Rose

Noank, CT

[Sprio]

Hi Kate, Thanks for your reply.

We are in the very north so chances are that you are referring to us. As far as I can tell there is not another Nonsuch 36 in the whole of Europe. There is some info on facebook and instagram about our story but this is the first time I'm sharing the complete sequence of events.

Hope you enjoy reading. Pictures will follow.

Regards,

Mark

N36 #25

Op vrijdag 3 juli 2020 18:36:54 UTC+2 schreef Kate Herman:

[W C]

Dearie! I saw her for sale on-line before the hurricane and debated about going to take a look at her.  I had returned from St. Martin in May before the hurricane in in Aug/Sept.  I wondered what happened to her.  Hope you can both have a happy ending.

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[Sprio]

After payment and signing the bos we finally have access to her belly!

Getting the engine started is a priority, so I start dinghying in 12V batteries out of my aluminium ketch. The batteries that were in the Nonsuch are all bursted open and the battery boxes are full of acid.

During checking of all vital parts necessary to fire up a diesel I discover that the gas throttle cable has snapped. Everything else looks like it should work. I don't know how the sturdy Morse control cable broke of the Edson controls but it could have something to do with the wishboom lying very close to it during Irma. Easy fix considering you're in a bay full of parts screaming to be reused someday... (don't ask)

I can't say that the diesel started right up but it didn't take all afternoon either. Once singing, it actually ran pretty good. Thank God.

We waited for a couple of days (weeks?) for the wind and the waves to be at their absolute best en decided to motor Dearie out of Paraquita bay through the trench and over the sandbar. A couple of anxious hours later she's on open water. We anker her next to our aluminium ketch and watch her roll in the waves while our ketch isn't moving at all. We wonder if the keel is still part of her hull...

In clear water, where we are anchored, I can have a better view of the hull. No damage underwater and surprise surprise surprise, she's shallow draft. Not an option I fancy  but hey, she has a keel!

Next step is to get her to the freighter to bring her far from home and close to our home! Work to be done

not over yet
Mark
N36 #25

[Mike BIANKA]

Always good to hear about another Nonsuch rescued from becoming trash in some landfill. There's more than one tale of abandoned and wrecked Nonsuch's that were rescued and lived to sail another day.

On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 1:54:01 PM UTC-4, Sprio wrote:

[Sprio]

[Sprio]

 

[Sprio]

Once freed out of Paraquita bay and anchored next to our ketch, we faced the next challenge: getting her from the BVI's to the USVI's. Sevenstar yacht transport made it clear that they will not wait one minute on a boat that isn't ready when they're boarding yachts. Oh, and we got a deal on boarding both yachts so I'm not skippering our ketch across the Atlantic back home.

The plan we came up with was to split up. My girl will skipper the Nonsuch as I will sail my ketch. Doing so creates a backup. If an engine fails a tow line is easily deployed.

The trip from Tortola to st Thomas went without much problems. The engine works like a charm and the temporarily batteries out of the ketch are holding charge, they even seem to be charging. Don't hold your breath because the positivism is short-lived. 

stay tuned as I'm searching for appropriate pictures to add

Mark

N36 #25

[Sprio]

[Al Stu]

Good luck with this adventure, keep us posted. We chartered sloops a couple of times near that bay and saw pics of the Nonsuch on the right side of the surface.

Alan & Tracy, Corvus NS30C #216, Toronto

[Sprio]

If you want to have the same view on your next charter, book a flathull leeboard boat to explore the Waddenzee. Hopefully the Nonsuch'll be afloat by then. She's still under construction now and will be for coming months. We hope to have her in the water next year (or so)

I hope anyone is interested in "the restoring" part of this tale. I was planning on adding it.

Op zaterdag 4 juli 2020 18:00:29 UTC+2 schreef Al Stu:

[Mark Powers]

Would love to hear more about the restoration and about sailing her in Holland when you have her finished.
Mark Powers
La Reina 26C
Vancouver, B.C.

[Al Stu]

As Mark P said, I too would follow the restoration and more about sailing and boating in the Netherlands. Although bit less sunny than BVI, new territory for chartering.

Alan & Tracy, Corvus NS30C, BPYC Toronto

[Sprio]

We drop the anchor of the ketch in Caybay st Thomas which is about 20 minutes away from the loading dock. The plan is to use only one anchor because the windlass on Dearie doesn't work and her chain is super rusty. Above that, boarding is only a few hours away.

We tie Dearie to the ketch to discover that the holding in Caybay isn't great. We drag. I deploy a spare anchor of the bow of Dearie and reanchor the ketch, leaving Dearie at the spare anchor.

Dearies spot isn't all that great. She's very close to, or in the waterplane landing zone. So we turn the key to start the engine to move her... Engine does not turn over. Batteries flat. Somewhere along the trip the alternator stopped charging. This Westerbeke 52 consumes electrical power during operation. There is an electric fuel lift pump and I think the stop solenoid is also powered. We are only a couple of hours away from boarding time.

The only solution I can think of is to get the batteries of Dearie and recharge them on the ketch. Dat means disconnecting, getting them in the dingy, out of the dinghy, into the ketch, charging them which obviously takes a while and return them to Dearie. We have about 4 hours to do so! I can't remember having worked that hard and don't ask how but we pulled it of. I also took a big solar panel of the ketch and tied it on Dearies cabin roof to keep the batteries charged. It worked!

A couple of hours later we're being hoisted on the freighter. Dearie first and after that, the ketch. We made it! The Thornypath, Paraquita bay, Tortola to st Thomas. Quite a ride.

[Sprio]

[Phil Gow, 30C #125 Lily Pad, Sausalito, CA]

This is a great story! Please continue to fill it in as you have time!

[Sprio]

Both boats are on the freighter and we're flying home. Quite an abrupt ending of our sailing adventures. We were on the water for almost 4 years and sailed tens of thousands of miles to sunny warm places.

Our choices to buy the Nonsuch and having her shipped left us no other choice than to end our journey. We spend our reserves and are on our way back to jobs, traffic jams, stress, making money, rainy winters and rainy summers. Still, I can't complain because 4 years of paradise is something unforgettable.

During our 8 hour flight home, I start planning and calculating once more, like I did on my earlier project rebuilding the ketch. Yes, that project I promised myself never to take on again. Selling that ketch leaves me with a budget to restore the Nonsuch. That might take one or two years. How much can I save up while restoring the Nonsuch and working fulltime? What's the year we will sail her back to where she belongs?

Non boating  and more practical questions are; where will we live? We have no house and no home anymore once the ketch is sold. Minor problems.

Anyway, two weeks later the boats will be unloaded in IJmuiden. That's about 2 to 3 long daytrips away from the place we live. We decided to sail one boat at the time. It's only inland waters and it's fairly crowded. It can't go terrible wrong without someone to help nearby.

Some of you asked about boating in the Netherlands. Obviously I could tell you all about it but for now I thought it to be appropriate to share the photographs of a Canadian Nonsuch in typical Dutch surroundings. Enjoy.

[ORION VII NS30U Toronto]

Should have made a TV show about it for Mighty Ships.

Ed Collis

ORION VII (For Sale)

NS30U

Toronto

[Sprio]

[Sprio]

The very next day we arrived in our home marina, we unstepped the mast and lifted the Nonsuch on the hard. The journey is over but the work can't begin yet. I've made a deal with myself that I start investing in the Nonsuch as soon as the ketch is sold and not one day earlier. I've spend to much on boat projects not to make the same mistake twice.

Luckely for the Nonsuch, selling the ketch did not take long. She was on the market for 3 months and sold very close to the asking price. Good old boat, hated to see her go.

The work on the Nonsuch can begin! I started working on her interior. Yes yes, I know: that's the wrong way around. It was wintertime and the Nonsuch stayed outdoors, covered under a plastic cover, so nothing much I could do else. I stopped the interior work as soon as we could get indoors. I'd like to start this restoration tale at that moment.

So, as soon as the boat was indoors we started to dismantle anything and everything that screws on a Nonsuch. Windows, hatches, handrails, cleats, railing base stantions, fill caps, vents, deck hardware. You name it, the whole nine yards.

I took extraordinary joy in getting rid of the portholes in her hull. The idea of windows is great but that's about all I liked about them. So the first little project I'd like to write about are those bronze portholes.
This project I actually prepared the best because I thought of what I would do to solve my annoyance even before I bought her. I guessed that rebuilding the holes that would appear once the portholes were out would not be easy. So my solution was to replace the portholes with something that looks great. Something out of a Lagoon 380 for example. A lagoon 380 has portholes in her hull that are meant to be there and that's obvious because there are in recessed frames out of the mold.

So why not arrange the parts of the hull of a Lagoon 380 that hold the portholes? Flipped over wrecked cats to spare in Paraquita bay and for sure I can work something out with someone.

So to speak, so to do... I glassed in the recessed portholes out of the hulls of a Lagoon 380 in a Nonsuch 36 following all the rules 1:12 epoxy matting etc. There you are, as if they were ment to be there.

Gave me lots of energy to take on the rest of the project! Stay tuned.

[Sprio]

Sorry that I haven't been updating this thread. Kinda busy fiddling around with fiberglass and rub rails. The total refit job is not done so I'll post a side project: the cockpit locker hatches and the main hatch "garage", yes the one on the roof covering the main hatch.

I don't know if any other Nonsuch owners have had problems with theirs but mine were pretty bad. Blisters, rotten balsa and cracks. Deformations and numerous small nicks mostly caused by air pocket in the original laminate.

Fist picture I'd like to show is of water intrusion by the hinges. Note that the squares on both sides were probably meant to be in the spot where the hinges attach. To bad they missed! This one was badly delaminated and full of moisture. I'll spare you the photo's of the rest of the hatches but they were not much better.

I cut out the balsa core center of each hatch, preserving the shape so there is something to rebuild.

Next it's important to clean things up and prepare for new fiberglass...

Time to glas!

filler and paint

Yet to be sanded smooth, faired again and sanded again until good enough for spraypaint.

Lesson learned: Your cockpit locker covers are probably balsa cored. Make sure that anything penetrating the fiberglass ie hinges etc is fully sealed from moisture. 

Mark

N36 #25

NLD

[Sprio]

And so, the story continues... How about those ports and hatches? Yes, neglected leaky and not so shiny. Most of them are hard to look through. Obviously I'm not shipping them to Hoyle and Atkins for a refit. First, because I can't afford their prices and second because I think that this job is perfectly doable yourself.

As you might have seen in the previous pictures, I removed all ports and hatches from the boat. They came of without much trouble. I used an oscillating power tool (Fein) and a sharp knife. The polycarbonate "glass" came out even easier, just cut the silicone lute and out comes the window. That left me with some awful looking frames with lots of remnants of what was once a protective layer and sealant. 

I decided to have them grit blasted and painted...

 

[Sprio]

Super smooth and clean. Time for some new glass. 

 

I did not fancy the purple color to begin with so I changed for brown. Just how I like my sunglasses as well.

When the chalk is set I glued in the new gaskets. They're widely available so no problems ordering it locally.

The shipload of new springs that I had custom made is on is way. I'll post a picture of the final result

Mark

N36 #25

NLD

[Little Wing]

Beautiful work. Very inspiring.

Ko Barrett

Little Wing #403 30U

Mayo, MD

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The shipload of new springs that I had custom made is on is way. I'll post a picture of the final result

Mark

N36 #25

NLD

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[Joe Valinoti]

Nice work, Mark!!  Thanks for the photos.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Holy mackerel, Andy !!  Unbelievable quality of work, Mark. Amazing .....  and you make it sound like "a walk in the park".

Breathtaking. Thanks for sharing this.

Stay healthy.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Actually, Mark, I do have a question for you. Did you replace the "glass" with polycarbonate or actual glass ?? I ask because I heard (and this may not be correct) that polycarbonate (Lexan ??), while very tough, etc., is not suitable for a salt-water environment and one is better off with plexiglass (or glass).

Can you clarify this ??

Thanks,

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Tom Schoenhofer North Star 26C#28 Penetang]

They look very nice. The new "glass" is inspiring.

Why new springs? Old ones didn't like salt?

Tom

26C #28

Penetang

[Austin, Timothy]

Wow those look incredible Mark. What glue did you use to stick the rubber(?) gaskets back into the groove? I have had trouble finding one that works well. Thanks. Tim

 

Mistoffelees

N33 #32

Cayman Islands

 

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[Sprio]

Hi Ernie, I used a material that's called "cast acrylic". I guess that the original material was polycarbonate because it was damaged by the sun so much. 

To my understanding "Plexiglas" is one of the many brand names of companies that sell acrylic materials. Same goes for "Lexan" only their busyness is polycarbonate.

I doubted to use polycarbonate because that material is a lot stronger. In the end it's not really necessary and it's not as UV resistant as acrylic.

Mark

N36 #25

NLD

[Sprio]

Hi Tim, You are absolutely right: it's not easy to glue sponge rubber. The absolute best to use is superglue, try it! Yes, the 1-second stuff indeed. Problem with superglue is, that it will not bond to high gloss paint nor anodized aluminum for that matter. 

I made several test pieces and came with a solution that involves a little more work but it works perfectly.

So this is wat I did. I "glued" the sponge rubber into place with 3M 5200. After curing, I pulled the sponge rubber of the 5200 with little force, leaving behind a perfect bed of 5200 material and a clean gasket. I applied superglue and pressed the sponge rubber into place. Done.

I hope the sponge rubber gasket lasts a long time because it's now absolutely impossible to remove without tearing it apart.

Mark

N36#25

NLD

[Bob Gehrman]

FWIW Atkins & Hoyle sold me Silaprene Adhesive/Sealant to glue my new gaskets in. Worked fine.

Bob Gehrman

NS30U #396 "QuickBeam"

Baltimore, Maryland

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[Sprio]

Hi Tom,

From only 3 out of 10 windows the springs were OK. The rest had snapped. I can not imagine that this doesn't happen to other A&H windows of the same manufacturing area. The springs of the big hatches are all OK

I googled torsion springs A&H and came up with "a few" hits. A&H sells them for about $40 a pcs >> not going to happen. So I had them made for a lot less :-)

Mark

N36#25

NLD

Op vrijdag 4 december 2020 om 16:45:03 UTC+1 schreef Tom Schoenhofer North Star 26C#28 Penetang:

[Sprio]

3M 5200 kinda sticks to sponge rubber or neoprene but the bond did not satisfy me. I'm not familiar with the Silaprene product and I'm very curious about it's contents. Could you please inform me the exact type of Silaprene was supplied by A&H? Was it for instance M6325?

And if you would try to pull it apart, what would happen? Would the glue let go or would you tare the gasket apart? 

mark

N36#25

NLD

Op vrijdag 4 december 2020 om 18:05:20 UTC+1 schreef Bob Gehrman:

[Bob Gehrman]

It doesn’t have a spec on the tube, but the M6235 would be my guess. This tube is from the Canadian market. 

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[Sprio]

Another project that I'd like to share is removing anything and everything from the under water area of the hull. I'm sure that many Nonsuchers and other boaters face the same project. let me tell you how I tackled it. 

Many maaaaaany layers of antifouling and other products make up for a thick cracked layer of crap. What's underneath? It has to go!

After some trials with other products, I chose for "Peel Away" because the results were by far the best.

Several millimeters thick material Peel Away without much effort. You get what you pay for...

Dad helps. 82

And so forth

Let the sanding begin! 

Evidence of a previous drying period emerge. With the antifouling I also removed the preventive coating that was probably applied after this period. My guess is, that it was an epoxy-tar product. It did it's job well, not much moisture in the hull measurable!

More sanding. 

Endless sanding....

A clean bottom! Finally! Not done because the uw hull will be roughed up (lightly grit blasted). The lead part of the keel will be grit blasted completely.

[Joe Valinoti]

Lots of work done there.  I don’t envy you.  I suggest you change the Subject line so that when someone try’s to research these articles on our website, they can find them.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Sprio]

I agree Joe. Also, this post is getting quite long. As you might have noticed in the photo's, a lot more projects have been done. I'm trying to brake up the complete refit story into manageable short posts. There is another post coming up about wet core and another one about the paint job.

The boat isn't done yet. Antiskid is yet another project. Interior works is almost done, another nice post with lots of pictures.

May I ask what you would suggest as a perfect subject line, considering my previous posts about transporting the Nonsuch?

Mark

N36#25

NLD

[Robin Bigio]

Wow, just catching up on this incredible journey. Thanks for documenting and sharing Sprio!

Robin

(Still searching for my Nonsucj)

San Francisco, CA USA

[Joe Valinoti]

Just simple like “Wet Core”  “Hull”  etc. -   Also, we have more then one Mark so if your ending signature could have a last name and the name of the boat would be great.

Regards,

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
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[Greg Silver]

I've been following Mark's posts and am enthused as lots of you other Nonsuch owners as he rebuilds his Nonsuch 36 in the Netherlands. One comment about the opening ports mentioned the glazing - as polycarbonate and other times as glass. I realize English is a second language for you Mark. The originals were plexiglass and from what I have learned, plexiglass is the way to go. My old plexiglass lenses had turned purple over the years, like his - they were originally 'bronze' tinted. I don't think I shared this video with our Nonsuch group before - this shows some work on the deck hatches during my refit of a Niagara 35 - same Atkins Hoyle gear as on our Nonsuches. I sandblasted the alloy hatches then had them re-anodized. This video shows the replacement of the gasket in one deck hatch after I had reglazed. Secret ingredient for fixing in the lens was BoatLife LifeSeal - a hybrid adhesive sealant. You can see a video here:  https://www.facebook.com/149222885127952/videos/2071593972890824. The same would apply to gaskets and reglazing of the Atkins Hoyle opening ports. There are local suppliers in your neighbourhood who have all the supplies you need at far less cost than Atkins Hoyle if you are able to do the work yourselves.

Greg Silver

Misty Cat 26C #121

St. Peter's, NS, Canada

[Mark Powers La Reina 26C Vancouver, B.C.]

Mark,

 Nice Dad. I hope your provided the beer, Grolsch.

When I re did the opening ports on LA Reina I used silicone caulk for the rubber gaskets. It seems to work fine.  When I replaced the overhead hatch plexiglass I talked to a local shop. They said use butyl tape to seal and silicone to adhere. Most caulks either damage the plexiglass or won't stick to both the plexiglass and aluminium. The butyl seals well but does not have much adhesive strength. Over here the recommended silicone for the job is Dow Corning 795. I tried Sikaflex 295 but did not use the special primer and the seal failed in less than a year.

Mark Powers

[Mariner's Cat V 26C Brentwood Bay BC]

WOW!

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Mark in Holland -

I have a suggestion for you. Like Captain Mike, another long-time contributor, who sails the first electric Nonsuch (Bianka), you should start a blog that is, of course, independent of this group. 

Seriously !!

Not that it is your goal to achieve a wider audience (which you definitely would accomplish), you would have much more creative and design freedom to post all manner of good stuff. I would read that blog religiously as the quality of your work and your approach to problems is pretty unique. And, y'know, there is something quite special about a honkin' big Nonsuch 36 , shipped to Holland (rescued from Hurricane Hell) and going through a totally professional restoration (by a guy who speaks and writes MUCH better English than he thinks - damn near perfect, actually).

Captain Mike's Blog is terrific. Yours would be too and you could load it up with far more detail than possible within the confines of this group. People would READ it.

Give this a think, man !!   Stay healthy over there.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Sprio]

Sure did, Mark!

I don't like to use silicone on a boat (ever) because it gives me so much grief if it has to be cleaned up. Once dry, nothing will ever stick to it so painting or using any product that needs to bond is a serious problem if traces of silicone are present. 

mark

n36#25

NLD

Op zaterdag 5 december 2020 om 04:04:01 UTC+1 schreef Mark Powers La Reina 26C Vancouver, B.C.:

[Sprio]

Ernie, thank you so much for your kind words. As you may have read, my girl and I crossed the Atlantic on our previous boat and sailed the Caribbean for 4 years. We kept a blog and even Vlogged for a while. There are about 25 youtube videos available of us doing our thing under the sun, on the water. I could recommend one vid in particular namely the Atlantic crossing video. Chainplate failure on day-3. That was a close call. It's been viewed more than 135k times. The next video is about the repair in Suriname...

What I'm trying to say is: "keeping a blog? been there, done that and beyond". but I'm perfectly happy with a small but dedicated audience.

If you are interested in the youtube channel, I could post a link here. It hasn't anything to do with Nonsuches though. Let me know!

Mark

N36#25

NLD

 

Op zaterdag 5 december 2020 om 15:50:30 UTC+1 schreef Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto:

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Thanks, Mark - I get it. Sure, give us the link. Where are you in Holland, by the way ??

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Sprio]

The majority of the video's are in Dutch. This is the link to the video's we made in English! 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwN3E5BqwrR7wZAHmRHsCGYDm4BGGc03r

Have phun :-)

Mark

N36#25

NLD

Op zaterdag 5 december 2020 om 18:28:36 UTC+1 schreef Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto:

[John Alexander Stewart]

Hi Mark; will watch your dutch sailing videos.

I'm probably not the only one on here who has at one time known Dutch. Dutch used to be my working-language for a while; I still get sung "lang zal hij leven,..." every birthday; I listen to NPO Radio 2 in my workshop (streaming) and a hopefully-soon-to-be-started workshop project is one written up in de Modelbouwer, started in Mei 1984.  Great language, fantastic people, and I miss living there.

(my dutch is not so good anymore, but my eldest (who MarkP and Thor have met) speaks it with pride still)

John Stewart

NS26 046

Ottawa.

[Joe Valinoti]

Great video, Mark.

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Sprio]

Hi Joe, if you liked it, don't miss out on the repair video: will it hold, mast rigging from scrap

https://youtu.be/oiuRZQh708Q

Op zaterdag 5 december 2020 om 19:42:29 UTC+1 schreef joe

[Sprio]

While getting the bottom cleaned we did more to fill up our day :-) The gelcoat of the N36 was in bad shape and above that, she had just enough damages that spotrepair with gelcoat was not an option. It was obvious that she needed a "new skin". Therefor anything that's detachable has be dismounted, unscrewed or sawed off.

Not every item feels like going straight away, little persuasion and some power tools makes them give way

We leave the toe rail in place. I don't think I can get it of without damaging it. It would be a near impossible job to get one shipped to Europe.

 

While unscrewing all the hardware some nasty surprises pop up. I wasn't expecting this Nonsuch to be completely dry but it is a disappointment when the first wet mush comes out together with the screws...

I kinda knew what I was doing so with the moisture meter I purchased, I mapped out my first wet area. Working with a moisture meter requires some practice. I did not get it right the first go. Man must know how moist a reading really is. The only way of knowing for sure is opening her up. The hole got bigger and bigger... 

To my knowledge there is only one way to repair a wet core properly and that is replacing it.

In this picture you see me working on the second wet spot, while the first area is prepped for new core.

more to come!

mark

n36#25

NLD

[Sprio]

man with hammer :-)

Another area in the gangway. 3rd so far. On deck that's all the wet core I could find. I went through every inch of the deck, cabin and cockpit and am pretty sure that there is no more wet core. A nasty surprise was waiting for me on the hull but I'll show that later on. First, lets lay down some glass and get those holes fixed!

more to come

mark

n35#25

NLD

[Sprio]

As I mentioned only 3 spots on the deck that were moist. Well, not exactly spots but more area's. It could have been much MUCH worse though. So I'm not complaining at all. 

This boat spend the majority of it's life in Floridian and Caribbean waters where it does rain obviously. Luckily due to the heat, most moisture is vaporized within minutes after a shower. In the Dutch climate, she would have been much worse, I think. 

This boat was outfitted with a rubrail.  Somewhere on this discussion group there is a tread about rubrail replacement, also very interesting to read. When I got the boat the wood was already taken of and the mounting holes were plugged with polyester filler and/or 4200 goo and painted over. It was a big concern of mine when I first saw her and indeed there were problems. The moisture meter would go ballistic in two areas. Oh ooh. :-(

Dad is still there

Looks a lot and it actually is but it's about half of the size that I cut out eventually.

 

Yeah, I know... goggles and some dust protection.

Time to glue in (epoxy) some new core. I used thin MDF and screws to hold the core in it's place while the epoxy hardens.

Dad is still there :-) Glass in place

Glass sanded down

more to come

mark

n36#25

NLD

[Sprio]

First Layer of primer. Looks good on photo but in real life it was far from perfect. Let the sanding begin!

And after that more primer

again primer and again sanding. Thick epoxy primer to fill "low spots". 

And more sanding, longboard sanding, by hand...

And again and again and again until absolutely perfect

Obviously this is not an area where you can hide mistakes with non-glossy antiskid paint. It has to be absolutely perfect. We're talking imperfections the thickness of a layer of paint here. When I started this job I hoped to be done in a few days. This spot has consumed more time than sanding the entire bottom!

As I mentioned earlier, there were two wet spots in this hull. One is obvious, you've looked at the pictures of it being repaired. The other wet spot is her stern. Indeed, the flat area that's called the "spiegel" (mirror) in Dutch. I decided to deal with that later! The plan is to cut out the INNER skin and remove the core in that area. That is possible because there is good access from the inside.

With this area repaired, let me show you what other problems had to be tackled before primer goes on...

Stay tuned! more to come.

mark

n36#25

NLD

[Sprio]

One of the other not-so-nice "features" of the hull of this N36 was visible when I bought her. Perhaps some of you noticed the problem in one of the pictures that I've posted so far. I'd like to address this problem because I think other Nonsuches may face the same. Here's a picture

This flaw was present on the whole boat near the waterline. I discovered that the waterline had been "raised" approx 2 - 3 inches. A previous owner just painted the antifouling a little higher not knowing that all gelcoats are NOT equal. 

The hull of this Nonsuch 36 contains 3 gelcoats namely

#1. green gelcoat for the bootstrap and the stripe

#2. white above-water gelcoat for the tops. This gelcoat is more UV resistant but less resistant to moisture

#3. white under-water gelcoat for the bottom

It is NOT recommended to raise the waterline without protecting #2 gelcoat against the burden of permanent water pressure.

What I did was grind the whole layer of flaking gelcoat down to glass (no picture available, sorry) and fill the whole area with epoxy filler. Sand. Done.

 

Prepping the hull for primer isn't done yet. more to come.

mark

n36#25

NLD

[newelljc9]

Quite understand why Mark chose a Nonsuch when his chainplate failed at sea. Stayed masts and chainplates should have been history long ago. It is remarkable that yachtsmen and yacht designers cling to the past when pilots moved on to unstayed monoplanes over half a century ago. Perhaps the break up of around the world expensive racing machines due to the forces of standing riging trying to drive the mast through the hull or fold the boat will convince yacht designers to follow the examples of the Freedom and Nonsuch designs. Their rigs are forgiving and bend to sudden squalls. Willows billow while oaks crack and fall when subjected to intense squalls.

Have a Merry and safe Christmas with a better year ahead.

John Newell

locked down to December the 21st or later in Toronto

[Sprio]

Hi John,

I like your analysis and I wish it was true but sadly, it isn't.

I did not chose the Nonsuch. I'd like to believe that it chose me. Truth is, that it came "on my path" She was there, about to sink, in a bay full of wrecks. It was the first Nonsuch I ever saw upclose. Needles to say: in a very bad condition. The fact that the owner spoke of the boat in awe made me investigate. The more I read and heard, the more I set my mind to save her. Finally my rescuers syndrome got the upper hand and made me buy her. :-)

I knew wooden (!)  unstayed masts from classic Dutch fishing vessels. I heard of the Freedom boats but that's about it. 

The tale of the buying process is one on it's own. Like to share but don't think the story would interest anyone, so that's something on request.

 

Saying all that to say this: as a sailor I would not claim to be super experienced but I do dare to say that I know what I'm doing. I've never sailed a Nonsuch, never. When all said and done it could be..... not my thing! Who knows? Let me first finish her and write about it. Lots of stuff needed fixing and the end of this tread is nowhere near yet. 

mark

n36#25

NLD

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

How fascinating this is becoming ! I never guessed that John Newell, veteran Nonsucher and skipper of the first N26 built (the venerable Mascouche) would champion the idea of a Nonsuch, freestanding mast and all, out there, mid-ocean, making her way in all that weather and rolling sea that the open ocean brings. 

Mind you ... look at those Freedom yachts. And, yes, many of us have heard of the Vendee Globe boat that bust in two like a too-high strung guitar, in four seconds, a week ago. Luckily, the skipper (Kevin Escoffier) was saved by a fellow (expert) racer. 

I guess some of this comes down to what kind of boat one would want to be sailing on and living on, at sea, for weeks on end. So many standing-rigged boats have sailed across oceans and circumnavigated this planet. Some are way better than others and are truly set up (think good desigmn and $$$$) to be able to do this type of voyaging in as comfortable a manner as possible. Having sailed my little N22 in conditions on Lake Ontario that made her "wallow" .... side to side ..... back and forth .....  never feeling that she was in danger but ..... sometimes, not all that comfy, I don't know how nice a trip across the pond in a larger Nonsuch would really be. Truth is, it wouldn't be all that comfy in an IMOCA boat either !! However, when I sailed off the coast of France in a Bavaria 39 in a nice breeze with big waves, it was pretty comfy.

i wonder if Mark Ellis would think differently about these "coastal cruisers" aka Nonsuches that he designed. Would he go to sea in one ??

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Steve Currier '86 N 36 #41 Caper TYC New London CT]

Spiro and all,  This brings back memories of the re-coring of the decks of my 36.  One tool I found handy was by mounting an arbor in a 5" trim saw blade I could the chuck this in a Makita variable speed disk sander.  I used this to hog out the core another 2 inches beyond the cut made in the deck.  I could then butter the area and balsa with thickened epoxy and slide it into place under the existing deck bevel.  I believe this made for a stronger seam and less deck removal.  Don't let OSHA see the tool however, not exactly kosher.  There are many long hours involved in the removal, repair, refinish, replacement of all the components on our decks.  Kudos on a job well done here Spiro, enjoying the process and commiserate with you on you sore back and knees, keep it up, it's worth it.  

[Sprio]

I'd like to share the pictures of the rest of the prep work before painting. Just for the fun of it and who knows, maybe someone benefits.

First of all there was the anti-skid issue. What to do with it once the decision was made that the boat would go for a total repaint? There seemed to be only one answer and that is to remove all. That means sanding flat all anti-skid profile. All of it.

After the sanding there is, without a doubt, more sanding... but not before repairing those tiny cracks. Grinding them out and filling with epoxy.

mark

n36#25

nld

[Sprio]

And some more, concerning the old mounting holes of the rubrail. The old mounting holes of the eyebrow were not much better by the way. 

A nice grind out surface and thickened epoxy should take care of all those flaws.

mark

n36#25

nld

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Breathtaking, Mark ... absolutely breathtaking. Even if it turns out that you are not crazy about sailing it (which would surprise me), you can enter it in any Concours D'elegance (and win).

So, here's something - I have decided that, if you buy your own ticket to fly over here to Toronto (when this becomes possible) and find a place to flop while you're here (becuase our little house is too small for guests even if they are not typically TALL like most Dutchmen)   .... wait for it .....   I will let you work on my boat for FREE. An offer that you could not think of refusing, right ??!! It is contingent on you supplying materials, etc. (that you'd, likely, fabricate from scratch).

I know .... I know. It is BIG of me. I know ....

Give this fine offer a think, if you ever have a spare second, after working on your own boat.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Sprio]

You are to kind Ernie. I'll remember you're generous words and won't forget your offer :-) 

mark

n36#25

nld

[Joe Valinoti]

Wait a second, Ernie.  Do we get to bid on this??  I have room for Mark!!

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Sprio]

Enough joking around, time to work! After much sanding (we're not talking hours here, this is more like days -even weeks- continuous sanding) she's ready for primer. You might have seen the photo's but what the heck it isn't every day that a Nonsuch turns green overnight, right?

This is the first layer of primer applied. I did not paint the stripe and bootstripe yet. Those are actually a different color of gelcoat and I'd very much like to save that specific pattern and shape. So what I did was to paint these stripes a different color primer. And yes I did raise the bootstripe a little. 

I removed a complete air-conditioner, a microwave oven, a watercooled diesel genset, 250 kilo of pots pans plates and silverware. 250 kilos of books and other junk. I can only guess where that waterline will be. So she was overweight a lot, I still fear that she might sink a little deeper than originally intended which would give me more problems than a bootstripe that's to high.

My girl actually liked the "golden green color" and we considered to order the same tint of topcoat. What do you think?

mark

n36#25

nld

[Sprio]

mark

n36#25

nld

[Sprio]

In total 4 layers of primer were coated. This seems a lot but I have to sand the whole thing back to "smooth" because the primer was applied by hand: roller and brush. To get a nice prepped surface, a lot of sanding is needed. If the thickness of the layer of primer is insufficient, I'll sand right through it.

In principle, the primer isn't absolutely necessary for bonding topcoat to gelcoat but in this case the gelcoat was to porous and damaged to directly overpaint. I used a 2 part epoxy primer.

mark

n36#25

nld

[Sprio]

mark

n36#25

nld

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Awesome, Mark. 

Also. Holland has these MASSIVE boat repair and construction buildings. Like the type with the four-storey doors. Honestly, I could not live in the Netherlands if I didn't own a boat. 

Hope you are wearing kneepads !!   It looks amazing.

Ernie A. in Toronto

(OK - I would pay for the sandpaper .....)

[Sprio]

Let the truth be heard Ernie! Just kiddin' because I admit that the glory days of Dutch ship building belong to the past. Big cargo bulk carriers are made in China! Only specialized, high performance or any boat that isn't an exact copy of it's predecessor can still be made here. Dutch labor is not cheap, except for my labor that is... still considering your offer! :-)

This small country is still on top of the yacht building busyness. But like the bulk carriers: if mass produced, the Dutch can't compete. Most Dutch yards are specialized building in aluminium or steel. We abandoned wood from ship building since the 1900's. I think the first metal boats, hot riveted - puddle iron (some sort of cast iron) were made here. There are hardly any yards that do "cold molded" boats like in US Maine. 

There are still a very few Dutch yards that build GRP yachts but they are not competing with the big names. One of them is Contest.

I think the nicest GRP European yachts are built in Sweden: Halberg Rassy and others. The majority of the known names however like Hanse, Bavaria, ***eau are just like the American Catalina's or Hunters. They are build in France, Germany or outsourced to low cost parts of Europe.

If anyone was interested in a high performance (semi) custom build metal or alloy yacht... the only way to go is Dutch. The French do an OK job if you're on a budget - not comparable imho.

mark

n36#25

nld

[Sprio]

I've spoiled some of the "transport a Nonsuch by truck tru Holland" by posting them premature but to complete this thread, here's some more

Note that the primer is sanded down. Another week of continuous sanding. Green snot despite I was wearing a profi face mask.

mark 

n36#25

nld

[Julie & Lloyd on Rendezvous]

Spiro - this is looking beautiful.  And, having stripped everything from my deck three years ago and then doing the sand and fill and sand and fill and sand and paint and sand, sand, sand and sand and  . . . myself at that time, I can really appreciate the amount of work you are putting into the boat.

A few questions, and sorry if I missed the answers in reviewing this all:

     1  what is the cause of the vertical stripes on the hull in the primer?  (Actually my wife/the Owner pointed this out to me.)

     2  Having done as much as you did, why didn't you pull the main halyard winch and steering pedestal (and I guess paint the pedestal to match)?

    3  I note that you did not close off the various openings (say the ports and cockpit lockers and such).  Were those closed off for the painting and then opened?  If not closed off, how did you keep the paint out?

     4  I did not notice - did you pull out the support ring the mast goes through?  I was too scared to do such and taped it off and painted around it.

Good luck on the continuing effort

lloyd herman

Rendezvous, 30U

Port Washington, NY

[Sprio]

Hi lloyd! Thank you for your interest and your questions. I love to answer them.

1.) the width of my scaffold is just about the width of the area between the stripes. I applied the primer by hand with a roller. The picture was taken when the paint was still wet.

2.) The main halyard is an electric one. It's a pain to remove it. Above that, the base to compensate the contour of the roof is white PVC and was placed not that long ago so the sealant was still good. I decided to leave it where it is.

I prepped the pedestal for paint right on the spot. That means, remove oxidation, aluminium primer, sand, filler, sand, primer, primer, primer, primer, sand. After that I left it in that spot to be spray panted over. It had not leaked in the deck and the chain and cables are replaced recently. I did not see any reason to dismantle it.

3.) During the sanding there was nothing in the holes left by the windows and hatches. The dust was manageable because I used sanders in combination with a vacuum cleaner. Before transport I screwed on plywood, in a way that it could be spray painted over leaving a tiny edge of bare primer.

I have to say that "project interior works" is coming up: enough needed to be done to the interior anyway. A little dust more or less did not bother me.

4.) I had to remove the mast collar when we removed the mast. A Spartite mast wedging replacement system had been installed by a PO. That seems like a nice solution but it's nearly impossible to remove, in case of a Nonsuch anyway. The mast is 2008 carbon fiber, as is the wishboom.

If you have any questions about anything, please ask!

Kind regards,

mark

n36 #25

nld

Op zaterdag 12 december 2020 om 21:32:10 UTC+1 schreef Julie & Lloyd on Rendezvous:

[Sprio]

Once transported to the location where the topcoat was sprayed on, a trip of about 35km, she was out of my hands. She was fully prepped. Anything and everything sanded, and cleaned. 

The orders for the painter were:

1.) Grit blast the lead of the keel to bare material.

2.) Lightly grit blast the under water area to remove any material that isn't firmly attached and rough-up the surface for epoxy barrier coat

3.) prime underwater area

4.) apply epoxy filler to the hull-keel joint

5.) spray epoxy barrier coat to the hull and keel

Continue with the above water area:

6.) tape anything that doesn't need paint

7.) spray hull (2 layers RAL1013)

8.) spray deck while standing on roof (tape where eyebrow is normally located) 

9.) spray roof while standing on deck

This is a whatapp photo that I got from the painter of them doing what I asked for. Very pleased but also a bit worried. What are all those extra black areas on the hull?

TBC

mark

n36#25

nld

[Sprio]

[Sprio]

As it turns out, the underwater gelcoat of my Nonsuch was not in the best of shape. Grit blasting was just the right thing to do because anything that could have caused problems in the future was removed. That left us with a pitted surface. The painter gave us a call and asked what to do. Obviously I wanted to see it for myself. 

Indeed, the surface was not smooth and some of those pits are too deep for my liking. We quickly agreed, something had to be done. To save costs on manhours we were given the opportunity to do the work ourselves in the weekend while the boat remained in the heated paint booth. Good deal if you ask me. 

That meant more sanding and epoxy filling to repair the gelcoat while at the painters. 

When the job is done and the UW area is sanded and epoxy filled, it needs to be sanded again. Took us 2 days to complete. 

On the next Monday morning the painter continued his job.

mark

n36#25

nld

[Sprio]

When all done, the Nonsuch looks quite different once again. She had been green for several weeks and we got used to that color. 

mark

n36#25

nld

[Sprio]

After 3 weeks the painter is done with her. They did the underwater part of the hull and the tops. The gangways, cabin and cockpit are also spray painted including the pedestal and the covers for the lockers. Remember locker covers from a previous project?

The coatings that I need to finish myself are the stripe and boot stripe and al antiskid material. And then there is the antifouling... And then there is the rudder, full of moisture...

For now, this is where she's at. Nowhere near finished yet, but getting there. Thanks for watching so far! Comments or ideas sure are welcome. Questions will be answered. 

Mark

N36 #25

The Netherlands

[Mariner's Cat V 26C Brentwood Bay BC]

The large hole on the port side of the stern, what is that for?

Grit blasting the bottom, what media did they use to give you a surface profile sufficiently abraded to apply a barrier coat?  Usually it calls for 80 or 120 grit sanding prior to applying the barrier.  I have to do a similar thing and was hoping to sandblast the bottom in a manner to yield the correct 80 grit equivalent profile.

She really looks great!  What a wonderful turn of events for this classic boat.  Does she have a name yet?

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Mark .... you are looking a little tired !!  Understandable, I'd say. How about calling her Never Ending Story ?  I. too, am curious about the hole. It can't be a retractable bowsprit. Maybe it's a retractable sternsprit ?

Take it easy, man. Settle back with a fine Grolsch.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Sprio]

Hi Thor, Thank you for your comments and questions.

To be honest, blasting the gelcoat bottom was a recommendation that the painter did. I thought that I was done and the UW hull was fully prepped, sanded with grid 80. He didn't agree one bit. To put it in other words, no guarantees unless blasted. And I'm sooo glad that I took his advice. Lots of bits of the sanded gelcoat failed when blasted. As the painter put it: you don't need anything on there that isn't there to stay for sure. 

I can't answer the exact type of grit question unfortunately and I doubt if my painter will answer that question. It's his specialty and probably own recipe. 

And no, we have not decided on a name yet. Her name in her previous life was "Dearie" and there is a lovely tale about how she was given her name. We have two problems with "Dearie". One is that if a Dutchman would read it, he/she would pronounce it as derrie, which is another word for poo. Another thought is, that she is in the process of "brought back to life" and that comes with a new name, I think.

We don't like "heavy" boat names that are meant to "stir emotions" like some Americans like to do. This is our list so far:

- Ketchup (she is kinda American after all... hope to catch up on a lot of Beneteaus)

- Breaky breaky (I'd love to say that on the VHF)

and my favorite so far: 

- Batmobile (that makes me Batman and my girl Catwoman... to Batmobile, lets go!)

Any suggestions? 

Mark

n36#25

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[Sprio]

Thor, Ernie and others

All Nonsuch 36 have that hole in the stern. What puzzles me is that some of them have the hole on port and some on starboard. The interior layout allows both but why did they change it at in some point of time?

Anyway, since there is no rigging - there is no place to place a "joon" the way it's stored on a regular yacht. "Joon" is probably a Dutch word and I can't think of a translation for it, it could be called rescue bouy?  My guess is, that a "joon" is obligated by the USGC for seagoing vessels. Where to put one on a Nonsuch? Well, there's a hole in the stern.... The closed tube that's inside the hull is about 10ft long. A full size "joon" fits in there!

The purpose of a "joon" is to get one overboard asap when a person gets in the water (mob safety feature). They're usually as tall as the biggest waves your boat is able to sail so you can see the flag at all times. The better ones are outfitted with an automated light at the top. I had one on board crossing the Atlantic. Never used it fortunately.

I took the images from the internet. It's not me in the water :-)

mark

n36#25

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[Bob Neches (Solar Wind, N26C #143)]

Mark,

Regarding names, I can see the case for Batmobile.   Given the background of the boat, I'd suggest Phoenix, since it's definitely risen from the ashes. 

If you want to combine the two, how about, "Dracula's Boot", which Google Translate tells me would be Dutch for Dracula's Boat?  That would arguably make it still a batmobile, while recognizing the arising from the dead.  ;-))

Plus, with a name like that, think how many gallons you could extract from other boaters by saying, "If you want me to explain the name, you have to buy me a beer?"

-- Bob

[Tim in STL]

I too as going to suggest Phoenix.  An Eastward Ho that I tried to buy years ago was named Dutch Treat.  Dutch Treat is innocent in this country, a custom of a boy and girl sharing expenses on a date, I suppose it might have a different meaning in Holland.

Tim in STL

White O’morn NS26U

Harbor Point Yacht Club

West Alton, MO

[Mariner's Cat V 26C Brentwood Bay BC]

Re Ketchup, and catching Benteteau's.  We refer to them as Bene-slows.  Highly passable IMHO. 

MOB pole aka man over board.  Often on the back stay with a trip line to pull it off and over.  Makes sense not to have it off the stern. My experience that long main sheet will clear it in short order.

We put the country flag on a bracket mount off the top of the corner pushpit rail for that reason, I destroyed several flag poles that were mid ship deck mounted. 

When we were night sailing a good deal we had a MOB light to toss over. 

[Mike BIANKA]

Spiro

Please keep on posting it's all very interesting.  I'm amazed at your skill set and gumption in tackling this project. A quick question. What did your replace the damaged wet core areas with? I assume it was a newer waterproof core material or solid fiberglass and not balsa core. 

Mike 

BIANKA

1986 30U

On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 1:54:01 PM UTC-4 Sprio wrote:

Hi to you all, Nonsuchers.

I've posted a couple of reply's on this forum and shortly was asked what happened to "Dearie" N36 #25. Well, here's the story!

First let me tell you who I am. I'm 41 years old and crossed the Atlantic on my 62 year old aluminium Ketch 4 years ago. I rebuild that riveted ketch in a period of about 10 years time and promised myself I would never take on another extensive project like that... The boat was my second skin, not everything I ever wanted but mine and somehow everything I needed. Sailed from The Netherlands (Europe) to Florida (US) and further with that boat. It did let me down but nothing unfixable. We and she made it!

Guess what happens... Somewhere along our journey we come across a devastated bay, completely wrecked by hurricane Irma. Hundreds of catamarans flipped over, it looks like a war zone.  In a corner of the bay only one boat is still afloat with what appears to be cosmetic damage only. Railings bend, some serious scratches but afloat. She looks seriously neglected though... This is Paraquita Bay in the BVI's.

I tracked down the owner and made an offer. She did not agree with what I thought of the boat and turned the offer down.

We continued our journey and set sail to florida. This was just before hurricane season 2018.

We spend a couple of months in Jacksonville trying to decide where to go next. Some time to kill, I read anything and everything I could find about Nonsuches. Asked a few sailor friends and decided to contact the owner of "Dearie" to ask how she and the boat is doing. My offer still stands I told her. Come and collect her, as is where is, minus personal items was her reply.

That meant going down the Thornypath heading for the BVI's for us. Is "Dearie" worth that? This is around Christmas time 2018.

We decided to GO!

Obviously this is not the end of this tale. More to come when I feel like writing in a foreign language to me. So excuse and bear with me, the story is far from over.

Mark
N36 #25

[Sprio]

Hi Mike!

Sure, I'll keep the group posted. I wonder if I should post all the side projects that I did to make this boat complete as well... Would you be interested in more pictures? 

mark

n36#25

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[Peter Moodie]

Hi Mark,

Absolutely!  The more details the better.   If we can't learn something along he was, at least we can admire the workmanship!

Peter Moodie

Nonsuch Catalyst 30U #366

Sydney, BC/Winnipeg, MB

[Ernie Abugov N22 - #56 "Moustaches" Toronto]

Hi Mark -

I agree with Peter and others - especially right now (COVID, winter, etc.), we love your posts and photos. You've tackled an epic project with real aplomb and have given us many ideas, much food for thought and raised our confidence level in tackling some of these tasks. You write well.

It's a treat, sir. It really is. Keep it coming.

Thanks !!

Ernie A. in Toronto

[biank...@verizon.net]

Absolutely post about the side projects. It will provide motivation for those of us who have a few such projects on the todo list.

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[Sprio]

Ok, It's a side project but has everything to do with the Nonsuch 36 and I'll try to throw in as much information as I can. This is about the Westerbeke engine! Luckily there is not much wrong with the engine that is fitted in n36#25 so there was not one reason why I went hunting for spare parts. It's one of those obsessions that grow on you when you've been to the Caribbean with your own boat.

The engine fitted in a N36 is a Westerbeke W52. IMHO Westerbeke is just one of the many firms that builds a marine engine from an available base block. These blocks are usually intended to be used by anything industrial and somethimes automotive. They are also usually manufactured by large companies that build engines on a massive scale.

Hunting for spare parts, it's very rewarding to find out exactly who manufactured your base block and what that base block was used for on a larger scale than yachting marine purposes  

It took me some time to hunt down the origin of the Westerbeke W52 but here it is: It's a Perkins 4.135. This does help a little but not much because it turns out that Perkins never ever manufactured this engine. They just designed it. So who made this Perkins 4.135? Turns out that Mazda manufactured this model (under licence). Ah... OK.... that does get us a little closer to where I can find spares, right? 

Wrong! Mazda sold these engines as Mazda Diesel S2. Take notes because it took me hours to find this information and verify it. We're talking a Mazda Diesel S2 - 2.2L engine. They are used in Mazda pickup trucks and some early 80's Ford pick ups. Diesel? Yes! How many were sold? Practically none in the US. Some in Australia and zero in Europe. If you Google this engine, you'll mostly run into people asking for parts. The engine is solid, no known problems but getting spares is a disaster.

Westerbeke does stocks some but they're nuts. Price for a salt waterpump is $780 for example. Come on guys, not funny anymore. And these are US prices, I'm in Europe. 

Hold on, here comes the good part of this story

As of pure coincidence, there is a converted tugboat in my marina. Story goes that this tug, converted to a luxury motor yacht, had been motoring in US waters some time ago. A previous owner had her shipped over, to enjoy the US and had her shipped back. 

The owner that now owns the yacht (and lives aboard) wants to get rid of their genset because he never uses it and it consumes space. The great part of this tale is that the genset was installed during the time that the yacht was in US waters.... guess what? Yep, nextdoor, in my marina there was Westerbeke genset for sale based on exactly the same Mazda engine as the W52 marine diesel. To top it of, it's an original marine Westerbeke generator including all marine parts in working condition with only 1200h on its counter. Looks brand new. That means... salt water pumps, injection elbow, intercoolers, manifolds... all there and marine stuff. Couldn't be happier >> bought it straight away just for spares for the price of a waterpump and an injection elbow.

That's not me in the picture... nor the PO. Just a guy who claims I'm nuts for buying a genset that's not supported over here. Little does he know :-)

That's actually me staring at "what I just bought" trying to act like they've got the best of me and I'm doubting my decision. Just kidding, all good people in the picture!

mark

n36#25

nld

 

[Tom Schoenhofer 26C#28 North Star Penetanguishene]

Hi Mark

If you look at the front left corner of the engine block you will find an embossed number.

Possibly K4C-61WM

The block may be made by Misubishi and was very popular with other makes. Including all the others you listed I believe Vetus also used this block. They are from a place called SCHIEDAM in NL.

Tom

[Sprio]

Hi Tom,

Thank you for your concern. I hope you read my post well because I'm not asking a question. The engine is made by Mazda. It's an S2 engine, period. 

By the way, Vetus has not manufactured one engine block ever. Everrrr. They're a Dutch company and for the engines they've used mainly Mitsubishi and Hyundai (yes, i AM certain). The larger Vetus engines are based on Deutz motors.

mark

n36#25

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Op woensdag 16 december 2020 om 19:41:16 UTC+1 schreef Tom Schoenhofer 26C#28 North Star Penetanguishene:

[Tom Schoenhofer 26C#28 North Star Penetanguishene]

Yes I stand corrected. The Mitsubish blocks were only up to the W33 four cyl. I see this is a 52. It appears that above the 33 Westerbeke used several different base engines.

Sorry

Tom