SVP 2025 abstract book available

[Mickey Mortimer]

So the 2025 SVP abstract book can be downloaded here-  2025_SVP_Program_Final.pdf

If you thought embargoing public discussion of abstracts was silly, be prepared for Napoli and Zanno's and Zanno and Napoli''s talks-

"-EMBARGOED- Napoli, James G.2,1, Zanno, Lindsay E.3 1Paleontology, North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences, Raleigh, North Carolina, United States, 2Department of Anatomical Sciences, Stony Brook University, Stony Brook, New York, United States, 3NC Museum of Natural Sciences, Raleigh, North Carolina, United States -EMBARGOED" 

" -EMBARGOED- Zanno, Lindsay E.1,2, Napoli, James G.3,4 1NC Museum of Natural Sciences, Raleigh, North Carolina, United States, 2Biological Sciences, North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina, United States, 3Anatomical Sciences, Stony Brook University, Stony Brook, New York, United States, 4Division of Paleontology, American Museum of Natural History, New York, New York, United States -EMBARGOED-"

A new low for hiding SVP's info from those who can't attend. Hope this pdf isn't as final as its file name suggests, so that there's some public record of whatever this discovery is. Just a shame I'll miss the most anticipated theropod/ornithischian poster during Regular Poster Session I - "B70 PROGRAM ADJUSTMENT".

Mickey Mortimer

[Skye McDavid]

The abstracts of these talks are available to conference attendees via the Cvent app. 

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[Gregory Paul]

Mickey has a point. That said, the subject of the one follows the other Z&N/N&Z talks is pretty obvious, as is why they are embargoed. And note the immediately proceeding Raun et al. talk. It's the continuing collapse of the ETRH trifecta! The it has always been a strange notion continues the death spiral it so needs -- should have listened to Gilmore, he had it right. Count the teeth. 

There are LOTS of items for the upcoming ornithischian guide I am plugging away at. Including the graviportal Lurdusaurus. Not sure what to do with all those Morrison small ornithopods holotypes being sunk the poor dears, hope B&M get that paper out soon. Nor sure what to do with the Forster et al. megarevision of ornithischian phylogeny. And Maidment etc are putting rhabdodonts in ceratopsians! Is nothing sacred;) There is what looks to be a new Triceratops trackway that would be great to include. And what about the claim that ceratopsid hindlegs were semi-erect? 

Don't forget that it looks like ornithocheirans are not open ocean(?) . And ? lawsoni is not Quetzalcoatlus, like duh.

Support for megalodon being 80 ft long, albeit skinny. 

An exceptionally interesting set of abstracts. 

GSPaul 

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[Maxwell Miles Candlen]

Not sure there’s anything else coming from Maidment and Barrett on the Morrison ornithischians, this abstract seems to be just a combination of conclusions from their two papers from earlier this year sinking the previously-named species and coining Enigmacursor. I’m thinking this is just a case of an abstract presentation coming after the paper is published, as happens a few times every year.

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a response paper on the subject in the next few years, presumably from a team using something more broad than an “autapomorphy-based approach.”

Maxwell Miles Candlen

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[Gregory Paul]

Interesting. I always thought the rhabdodont skulls were exceptionally massive and triangular -- rather than rather like ceratopsians when you think about it. So what happens to tenontosaurs and muttaburrasaurs that were being put in rhabdodonts, and look like iguanodontians of some sort to me?

GSPaul

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[Dawid Mazurek]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 10:54 AM 'Gregory Paul' via Dinosaur Mailing Group <DinosaurMa...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Mickey has a point. That said, the subject of the one follows the other Z&N/N&Z talks is pretty obvious, as is why they are embargoed. And note the immediately proceeding Raun et al. talk. It's the continuing collapse of the ETRH trifecta! The it has always been a strange notion continues the death spiral it so needs -- should have listened to Gilmore, he had it right. Count the teeth.

Is it OK to ask just this: said talks are about tyrannosauroids, too?

Dawid

[Aiden Younk]

More than likely. Napoli's talk at Paleofest mentioned continued work on tyrannosauroids. 

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[Jura]

It's most likely about Bloody Mary, which shouldn't be that surprising given that Napoli was a postdoc in the Zanno Lab and the Dueling Dinos are finally able to be studied.

[Gregory Paul]

A sound conclusion.

GSPaul

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[Milo Gaillard]

Both embargoed abstracts are about Bloody Mary. I know this, because the OG abstract booklet merely made the text of both abstracts white. This was easily bypassable, since anyone could copy the text and paste it somewhere (such as in their Notes app). As a result, that version was replaced with this new version, which deletes the embargoed text entirely.

I have already downloaded the OG booklet and I copied and pasted the embargoed to my Notes app. I will not publicly disclose any of the information.

-Milo

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On Oct 27, 2025, at 15:28, Jura <arch...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's most likely about Bloody Mary, which shouldn't be that surprising given that Napoli was a postdoc in the Zanno Lab and the Dueling Dinos are finally able to be studied.

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