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Normally, the above would be enough, but here is a second version having my added highlights - in case anyone wants to see what I considered interesting and/or important.
I am amazed at the large number of Tom’s cites to other papers in 1991 combining climate, forests, and degraded lands. I still need to go back and check how these numbers will change almost two decades laler. But especially might change with biochar presumably greatly helping the economics. So -more coming.
To repeat, Tom was way ahead of most of us on this very important (relatively) new side of lands, forests and climate.
This also next going to the biochar list as did the initial CDR version yesterday.
Ron
On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Thomas Goreau <gor...@bestweb.net> wrote:
I can’t find a pdf of the paper, but the text is on the web at:
<goreau forests-1pdf.pdf><goreau foreests-pdf.pdf>
On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:28 AM, Thomas Goreau <gor...@bestweb.net> wrote:Thanks, Ron!Norman Myers was the world’s authority on deforestation and had extensive bibliographies.
Our major omission was not including biochar, which could have greatly strengthened the argument!
We were very well aware of it, I measured soil greenhouse gas emissions from Amazonian soils at the Brazilian National Amazon Research Institute soon after Wim Sombroek did the pioneering work on Terra Preta.
But at that time Terra Preta’s extraordinary carbon content had not yet actually been measured, though they were pretty clearly full of charcoal.I have the original publication in a box of papers somewhere and will look for it to scan and post.
It’s good to see this argument regaining strength independently 30 years later, because of its obvious correctness, even if the original references are forgotten.
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On Aug 27, 2020, at 12:45 AM, Yi Yang <yang...@umn.edu> wrote:Dear all,Thanks for including me in the discussion and for your positive feedback.Biochar is not a very active area of research. Hopefully this will cheer you up. :) Another project of mine is to estimate the biochar potential in China. One issue we've found is that although there is a large amount of biomass that can be turned into biochar, a large fraction of them is currently being used for other purposes. Too bad.Best,Yi
On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Yi Yang <yang...@umn.edu> wrote:Dear all,Thanks for including me in the discussion and for your positive feedback.
Biochar is not a very active area of research. Hopefully this will cheer you up. :)
Another project of mine is to estimate the biochar potential in China.
One issue we've found is that although there is a large amount of biomass that can be turned into biochar, a large fraction of them is currently being used for other purposes. Too bad.
Best,Yi
On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Yi Yang <yang...@umn.edu> wrote:Hi Ron,Sorry for my late reply, but over the past two weeks I made a trip from China to the US. It was hectic with all the packing, traveling, and settling down after arrival. Please see my responses below.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 12:20 PM Ronal Larson <rongre...@comcast.net> wrote:Dr. Yang and ccsSee inserts:On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Yi Yang <yang...@umn.edu> wrote:Dear all,Thanks for including me in the discussion and for your positive feedback.[RWL: To repeat, your paper is very important to the world of CDR. I will try to get this also to the biochar list.Biochar is not a very active area of research. Hopefully this will cheer you up. :)[RWL: Thanks for your follow-up - saying that ’not’ should have been “now”. Which does cheer me.Another project of mine is to estimate the biochar potential in China.[RWL; Can you add a little more on the biochar-China topic? It seems to be several times larger than the rest of the world combined and thee biochar community know this. However, I have never seen anything on Chinese official goals - and/or something on growth rate.What can you say about doubling times for the last five years and the next five? Chinese government investment to date in $millions?Mostly done for solving serious problem of smoke from crop residue burning - but other rationales?Can you estimate number of recent and current PhDs? There are an enormous number of biochar papers coming to us from China.
I don't think there are national policies yet. Nor do I know how many PhDs are working on it. But you are right that a large number of biochar papers are now published by Chinese scholars. In doing policy search, I've found the following:
In 2015, biochar was officially promoted as a soil amendment in the “Agricultural Sustainability Development and Planning for 2015-2030” issued by the Ministry of Agriculture. In 2017, the China Industry Technology Innovation and Strategic Alliance for Biochar was established, involving 26 research institutes and corporations, to develop the biochar industry by tackling barriers across the entire supply chain from basic research to pyrolysis process improvement and biochar products development.
One issue we've found is that although there is a large amount of biomass that can be turned into biochar, a large fraction of them is currently being used for other purposes. Too bad.[RWL: Does this comment relate to China, Minnesota, or everywhere? Are you suggesting a resource scarcity? What solution?
This is specific to China. I'm still "digging" the data, so I can't provide a concrete estimate yet. For forest residues, I can say with high certainty that there is very little left in China for biochar because most of forest residues (including wood products) are being used by various industries including paper and bioenergy. My team is still trying to get a better handle on other sources like sludge from wastewater treatment plants and crop residues, and manture.
Our goal is to understand the total carbon sequestration potential of biochar in China.
Ron
Best,YiOn Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:37 AM Ronal Larson <rongre...@comcast.net> wrote:Tom (see inserts for you ) and list and adding the first author, Dr. Yang and also adding a person you have cited: Dr. Gregg MarlandDr. Yang; Sorry that we didn’t include you earlier in this exchange on your very recent biochar paper cited below. You will see below that the reactions have been extremely positive.These comments will also be seen on the biochar list, so you can comment on either one.This is also to ask you to comment on the numerical computations in Dr. Goreau’s paper - and on anything else you see there - from the many other “abandoned land’ authors Tom has cited.
[RWL: I have included Dr. Marland in hopes there can be some further filling in. His work goes back well over 40 years.Anyone else able to give historical background for the Yang paper? To repeat - I think this “Yang-soil” paper makes a better case for biochar as a CDR option than any I recall recently.Ron. (nothing more from me below - with thanks to Andrew for starting this 3 days ago.)
On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:06 AM, Thomas Goreau <gor...@bestweb.net> wrote:
Excellent paper! Thirty years ago Norman Myers and I found there was enough abandoned land in Brazil alone to stabilize CO2.