FS: JP Weigle Randonnee

[steven sivak]

As new- 

58.8 seat tube

56.8 top tube

Campy 10speed chorus/record 

Hearse 172.5 crank

Phil wood BB

Nitto bars/stem

Stronglight HS

Son generator hub w/ Placenti rims

Extra front wheel w/ Campy Record/Placenti

Berthoud fenders

Total build was 11.7k

Contact me for pics

steve...@outlook.com

[Frankwurst]

Asking price?

[Andy G]

Unless I'm googling wrong, I'm not finding any post history for this seller on this group or some of the similar ones I follow. Misspelling some of the top brands like Herse and Pacenti is a red flag for a top quality bike like this. I don't think Rene Herse even made a 172.5 crank (appears to be 165/171/177). No selling price or location given either, in case someone local could see it. I think I'll pass...

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[steven sivak]

Peter told me about the forum yesterday... never was aware of it....

Yes I made some spelling errors...  Location is Ann Arbor

In 30 years I have only ridden on 172.5 cranks but it appears

that 171 is correct.

I have an Excel sheet listing all parts and prices- total cost

was 11 and change.

No idea of its worth due to limited supply and a long waiting list

If interested contact me at steve...@outlook.com and I 

will send you everything you might want to know.

[Scott Henry]

I'd rather you just post a price and some pictures.

No need for any real comments past that.

Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:11 AM steven sivak <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

Feel free to call Peter about the bike.  Actually he is the one who told me about this forum!!!

And that is why I have no history here.

But feel free to wait in line for one of his frames-  He is either 71 or 2 years old and

told me yesterday that he is slowing down- significantly.

Sure this is my first post and I realize what that might imply...

Placenti was a typo- 

Location Ann Arbor and the price is to be discussed

Any non tire kicker is free to ask me to send them the

package....

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[steven sivak]

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There she is...  

Around 9k

[Ian A]

Hey Steve

Sounds like a beautiful bike and JP Weigle's creations are always of great interest to all in this list, from prospective buyers to the rest of us tire-kickers! Seriously, word gets around pretty quickly when interesting bikes are posted and tend to get propogated across a number of forums. 

Please post pics to the forum! I'd love to see that bike as would many others on the forum. Generally speaking an asking price is list etiquette, but you could certainly ask for "offers over" etc. Just to give people an expectation range that can start the ball rolling.

Regards

Ian A Alberta Canada (who would love a Weigle, but isn't a buyer today at the moment).

[Ian A]

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Please disregard my message. I composed it as Steve was posting. Great looking bike

[Charles Hobbs]

I hope you understand the forums skeptical response; scams are frequent, and bikes like this are rare.  Unfortunately I am just a tire kicker but I have no doubt you will find interested buyers!  Beautiful bike.

Charles Hobbs

[steven sivak]

I am on a Porsche website and when new people post, they always get the hairy eyeball...

That along with my spelling mistakes....  no harm done!

Thank-you for your comments!

[steven sivak]

Parts and pieces:

[steven sivak]

Geometry

[tto...@gmail.com]

Hi Steve,

Unless I missed it, brakes aren't listed in parts list.  Looks like Paul cantis?

Where are you located?  Appears very few miles have been ridden on this beauty.

Sincerely,

Thorsten

[Rashid Khan]

The brakes appear to be MAFAC cantilevers. 

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[Kieran J]

And the fenders appear to be the VO ones that JPW uses, not the Berthoud listed. 

You don't see something like this come up for sale very often. I always wondered what one of these costs, now I know! :-S

KJ

[Steve Chan]

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 2:01 PM Kieran J <kjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

You don't see something like this come up for sale very often. I always wondered what one of these costs, now I know! :-S

   Even if you had the money for it, you may not be able to get into the build queue.

   A gorgeous bike, flawlessly executed as all of JPW's bikes seem to be. Good luck with the sale!

   Steve

[steven sivak]

Thanks to all for the comments and corrections!

[steven sivak]

Updated:

[jinu...@gmail.com]

Very dangerous - if it was a 56cmx56`ish I'd be very tempted.  

[David Hallerman]

If it was 56cm, we'd be fighting over it!

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[JinUk Shin]

heh.  I was just trying to justify that maybe, I could fit a 58!  

[Michael Arciero]

It's the top tube that is the important measurement here. Unless you insist on standing over with both feet flat on the ground. 

Speaking of which, the steep seat tube angle here will make it "play" closer to a 57.3 top tube with a more or less standard 73 degree ST. The few Weigles I've seen with numbers listed have shared this 73.5 angle. I actually like shallower ST on rando bikes to get the setback I like with leather saddles like Berthoud and Brooks, and still work with regular saddle slid a little forward. In fact it looks like the saddle on this one is slid back all the way on the rails.

Mike A

[steven sivak]

Measurements are C to C

[Michael Arciero]

Not sure this is response to my post but, yes, I had assumed so.

[Max]

Well, it's been a quiet (read: very busy) week at Lake Woebegone, but I got to meet Steve and test-ride this hear rolling work of art. 

First of all, y'all may or may not know that I've already got a very fine example of such a machine in an Ebisu 650b randonneur (-euse?..), so I have a basis for comparison. 

This Weigle has beautiful paint that has wonderful characteristics when the sun hits it, but also in the shade. The assembly is immaculate, with ample frame and fender clearances for 38mm tires (mounted), and would also be good with 42s. The component spec is absolutely top-notch, with a Weigle rack, Rene Herse cranks, tires, etc., fancy Nitto fixin's, Record-level drivetrain spec, and perfectly set up lighting. There are also lots of extra goodies included in the sale at the price (a whole front wheel, fancy chain tool, extra chain, etc. – all these things that are hard to find, and are the absolute top quality). 

I took a quick ride on the bike that included smooth and very rough pavement sections, level ground, downhill, and uphill sections. The bike behaved as a top 650b rando bike ought to – springy and lively, eager climber, confident descender. The drive-train is perfectly sorted, all the feels and sounds are of a tightly assembled bike, and the frame and components are a joy to the eye when glancing down. 

Needless to say, this machine is not your budget 650b conversion, not your production bike, not your bargain internet find, not a steal... It is a very solid deal on a machine that would otherwise cost you more in money and time, if you were to commission something like this from virtually any builder, let alone a builder at the top of his craft, like Weigle. The fit seemed to be of a normal 58 x 58 type of frame, with enough adjustability for a person in the 5'10" to 6'1" height range, depending on the day, time in the season, and intrinsic flexibility, moving the stem, post, and saddle up-down-front-back. For my preferences, I'd run a slightly shorter stem a little bit higher up, and the aesthetics would still be lovely, and the bike would still be perfectly balanced. 

I should note here that, despite living in the same town and less than two miles from the owner of this machine, we've never met and never crossed paths. (Such is life these days?..) Steve turned out to be a great guy, interesting conversationalist, and a bike nut to rival any of us, with good taste in bikes, good judgement and mechanical aptitude, very fit (!), and clearly not some random yahoo that isn't part of our tribe just because he hasn't frequented the list. 

Anyhow... Given all the positives above, am I buying this bike? 

Well, recently, I attended a friend's wedding in CT, and brought my kids. The date of the wedding happened to overlap with the French Fender Day, and I dragged the kids on an hour-long drive to Lyme to visit the workshop – maybe some of you remember a guy with 3 little kids from that pre-pandemic year?.. So, from my family's perspective, their response was – so, you're getting the bike, right?! If nobody else jumps in, there's a non-zero chance that I might. A big round date is coming up on my life calendar... So, for me, it's basically between this bike, and something that's a rather different beast altogether (have my eye on a Rob English "one-sided" bike). Hmmm.... 

If you're at all in the market and can afford it, this bike is the pinnacle of its kind. One would not regret it. 

- Max "everyone needs to experience a quintessential example of a species at least once in their life" in A2 

[fordb...@gmail.com]

Thanks Max ! That's a great description of what sounds like a fantastic bike. 

FB

NY

[steven sivak]

Could not have said it better....  thank-you for the well rounded third party description!!!

Come to think of it, would have said it much worse!!!

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 8:18:48 AM UTC-4 Max wrote:

[Scott Calhoun]

For the right person, this bike could do about everything you'd want from an all roads bike. IME these are by far the most difficult type of bicycle to get sorted out on account of all the little details that really need to be perfect for it to look right: fenders, lighting, racks, etc, etc. As someone who rides a similarly set up MAP that I love, a bike like this is so fun and versatile and, least we forget, high performance. There is a lot of value imbedded in having Peter get all the details right. 

[steven sivak]

Any suggestions for where else this bike should be listed.... obviously there is interest,

yet no real buyers as of yet...

thanks

[David Cummings]

Many of us are also members of the ibob google group (look for internet-bob). Even though it isn’t 650b specific, it covers a lot of the same ground and has a much wider audience. I would cross post it there and include the description from Max (with permission). It has pretty much the same vibe as this group - very fraternal. 

David in MT  

[Andy G]

This is a list specifically for bike sales of this variety: https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/bobishbikesfs

InternetBOB has great bike sales, though it's primarily a discussion list and discourages people posting sales only. There are certain rules and courtesies for selling there: https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/internet-bob/c/RiqPKpbRqXc/m/UfOZtITNBAAJ

Randon is another google group aimed towards randonneurs which occasionally sees sales posts: https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/randon

If you have a randonneuring group in your region, there is likely either an email list or facebook group for them. Those groups tend to not love sales from people not in the clubs either, but given the quality of the bike and that it would be great for randonneuring, I don't think too many would mind seeing a posting.

A lot of bike sales happen on Craigslist & Facebook Marketplace. There are many downfalls to those, such as check scams and no shows, so best to read up on those unless you are already familiar. I always require cash in hand, and meet ups in public areas. Many police stations now have a specific place for online sales like this, where you can be slightly more confident that selling something of value won't end badly.

There's always ebay too. Set a high reserve price otherwise you might run the risk of not attracting enough bidders to reach a price you wished for.

From the images you provided, I would highly suggest finding someone to take some glamour shots with a high end camera. Close ups of brand name parts, lugs, the finish, straight on shots of the bike, proof of recent photos, etc. would all make a for sale post shine.

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[Steve Chan]

    You can also try posting on The Paceline, it has a super active classified section with a lot of fans of high end custom bikes:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/forumdisplay.php?f=6

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[steven sivak]

Great ideas and some work to do on my end....

thanks to the above!

[Michael Wong]

pinkbike.com has a really active sale section. I bought my last road bike there.

Rando bikes aren't really focused on, but I think you'd still get interest if you market it as an allroad/gravel/bikeback bike

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[satanas]

Internet BOB is worth a try and gets a decent amount of traffic (much more than here), but IMHO BBFS and randon are either dead or comatose; I wouldn't bother with them. Sorry, I don't have any useful suggestions since I'm not in North America and so cannot realistically buy or sell bikes on any of these lists.

Later,

Stephen

[Ray Varella]

Have you considered asking Peter?

He may have someone on his list that would fit your bike. 

Ray

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[steven sivak]

Tried that....

[steven sivak]

Still available...

[William Lindsay]

It's really a great looking bike.  In the meantime are you riding it?  That bike definitely deserves to be ridden.

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[steven sivak]

Not enough....

but I will be willing to sell it for 8k

Anyone?

[daxo potato]

i sincerely hope you are not selling this out of financial duress. 

this is a special bike and unfortunately it's going to take some time and effort to find it a new home, and you sure don't need time pressure agreed to that.

i buy $100 bikes/parts on a whim. multi thousand purchases require quite a bit more consideration. you need to cast a wide enough net to find the person who might be interested in this, a very specific bike, AND have the patience for them to come round to making the move on it. 

i don't know if you've listed it on the famous auction sight. there are whole books written about how to sell there. expensive bikes will often sit there for a long time, waiting for the right buyer. honestly, weigels come out of his workshop more frequently than come up second hand. people shopping for one usually aren't checking the interwebs daily for one. you also need the patience for the right person to even see the offer.

i know that other channels exist- dealers, traders, craigslist, etc. people here have given you a lot of excellent suggestions that i hope you've followed up on. i think it's just going to take a lot of time, effort and perseverance.

keep bumping the posting here, and i wish you all the best in selling this amazing machine

-dave in NY

[steven sivak]

dave-  thanks for the advise....

no, I do not need the money....  but I would like it gone...

it's the 10% fees that have kept me from posting there...

but perhaps that is what is required....

patience is not my strong suit but it might need to be!

[David Pertuz]

I can't comment on the merits of putting it up on the bay, but this is a very expensive and very specialized bike - as such, it has a very specific audience, and selling things like this (whether cars or bikes or whatever) tends to require a combination of patience and knowing how to find the right audience.

David

Chicago

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[Scott Calhoun]

You have been given a lot of good advice about different selling strategies and channels for selling the bike. My feeling is that if you have the bike posted in those venues that have been suggested, you are probably reaching a high-percentage of your audience. I think the only possible eyeballs you could gain with eBay might be Japanese and European collector market. There is a real appreciation for this style of bike in Japan and France. How well Weigles are known in Japan I don't know, but he spent time in France. But, you have fees, and international shipping etc.

If patience is not your strong suit, then at some point you have to listen to what the market is telling you regarding the price. If you have plenty of time and don't mind holding onto the bike, then go ahead and stick to your guns. Just know that it could take a matter of months or even years (I've watched more than a few really high-end bikes languish on eBay and remain unsold for multiple years) to sell. 

Several years back I purchased a group (I had over 75 at one time) of collectable racing bikes (Paramounts, Colnagos, Masis, and Team Motorola Merckx bikes ridden in the TDF) from the estate of a local deceased collector. None of them were my size and I sold them all over a period of about 2 years. I used all the avenues at my disposal, including eBay. I kept a spreadsheet where I documented (at the time of purchase) what I thought I'd be able to sell each bike for. Sometimes I did really well, and other times the bikes were not worth near my initial estimates. I learned that when someone made an offer, even a low-ball, it was smart to always counter to gauge their interest. If they were a flipper or bottom-feeder they would quickly disappear, but a lot of times, we'd arrive at an acceptable price.  You learn a lot about the market by listing bikes as buy-it-now or best offer. I learned not to get too hung up about my sunk costs and to trust the market. Also, photographs, keywords, and descriptions make a big difference when selling a bike.

It is a really special bike, and I hope you find a new owner who will be over-the-moon for it. Best of luck.

Scott

Tucson, AZ 

[steven sivak]

Thanks for all the great advice......

[William Lindsay]

This bike was listed on Ann Arbor Craigslist roughly in parallel with the original post here.  That listing is now gone.  I wonder if the OP got his price? 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA 

[steven sivak]

Still for sale... price lowered... 8k

[Ryan Stanis]

Absolutely beautiful bike from such a nice human. As an ex-Nutmegger I've always wanted a Weigle....and it's my size!

But the lowly bike mechanic wallet can't cut it.  Good luck with sale! I'll spread the word amongst local rando and rando-curious here in Philadelphia.

-Ryan

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[steven sivak]

Do they have such things as bike loans?

[steven sivak]

SOLD

[William Lindsay]

Congratulations.  Hopefully the new owner will love it and ride the heck out of it, while sharing photos with the rest of us. 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA