Awww cmon man, it's not THAT bad
We're allowed out for an hour a day, inside a 5km radius, between 5am and 9pm, as long as we're alone.
Also the new bill is called the "Identify and Disrupt Bill" (I think?), sure it allows the government to send dick pics on your behalf, or plant evidence on your devices. But it's for your safety!
Nothing to see here, move along, it's for your own good........
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I don't know what's more of a problem
- Obviously exploitable government powers being handed out like it's free cake
- The fact that no one else in a group of "hackers" who care about freedom of information and personal privacy, didn't bother saying shit.
When your local shitposter is the only person agreeing that these new totalitarian laws are bullshit, we are living in the age of complacency.
How scared of freedoms are people?
On 9 Sep 2021, at 11:46 PM, Sid E <side...@gmail.com> wrote:I don't know what's more of a problem
- Obviously exploitable government powers being handed out like it's free cake
- The fact that no one else in a group of "hackers" who care about freedom of information and personal privacy, didn't bother saying shit.
When your local shitposter is the only person agreeing that these new totalitarian laws are bullshit, we are living in the age of complacency.
How scared of freedoms are people?
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Awww cmon man, it's not THAT bad
We're allowed out for an hour a day, inside a 5km radius, between 5am and 9pm, as long as we're alone.
Also the new bill is called the "Identify and Disrupt Bill" (I think?), sure it allows the government to send dick pics on your behalf, or plant evidence on your devices. But it's for your safety!
Nothing to see here, move along, it's for your own good........
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You know shits bad when jordies can't blame the PM because the party he shills for also support the laws.....
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Just to keep dialogue open on this topic... thought I'd throw some random shit out there -
The media has in a few occasions made reference to "minority report" a dystopian thriller in regard to Australia. Not sure how many of them actually watched it (to be honest sounds more like they are mixing it up with gataca given the contexts used) but unlike the rest of the world (with the possible exception of a few open ended provisions of the US patriot act) Australia actually DOES have a "minority report" class law. Two I know of, and since I only chanced on these by accident, probably a lot more.
I expect it was passed as another indirect over arching authoritarian power for Duttons omni-department portfolio of immigration, border protection, off shore detention, navy, anti-terrorism and secret police.. but this one was passed less than 5 years ago as i recall, and was tacked on to veterans affairs.
In a nutshell, any returned serviceman, or soon to be returned serviceman can without any evidence, any mark on his record, or any other sign of problems be picked up and locked up indefinitely under psychiatric supervision forever - if the designated person for the veterans affairs portfolio expresses even the slightest concern that "one day he might have a suicidal thought in the future" and yes it is that open ended, or was when I reviewed the provisions last. What on earth could you use it for? Well considering Dutton has been caught (and covered up) giving orders that cause the sinking of refugee boats in international waters, likely it would allow soldiers ordered to do war crimes and human rights abuses to be locked up before they can tell anyone. (We all know just how much our government hates whistleblowers eh?)
Oh the other law is some open ended shit more or less the same as the one old friendlyjordies got a taste of when some goons beat up his producer - a politician can designate without evidence any citizen they like to be picked up (forever) if that politician expresses concern they may one day become a national security and/or terrorism risk. (even if they are not one yet, nor show any sign of inclinations that way yet, and their only crime might have been wearing a turban while delivering the newspaper to their house)
..and lets not forget everyone's favourite law - in Australia, any sort of encryption process is legally required to have some mathematically impossible backdoor that allows reading everything encoded using it. Hasn't really effected international services - but it does effectively mean the secure communications industry in Australia has been shut down.
Oh and the NDA covered up fact that all new ISPS in Australia are legally required to supply a government backdoor to all their users private data.
No Doubt ol Nitr0 boy Sid can list off a dozen more I forgot about.
Has everyone in Australia fallen asleep, or just forgotten how to read? How this shit even get passed ill never understand. (ye ye, because no civil rights document heard that too. Apparently Qld and Vic actually does have an albeit crude document of civil right "guidelines" but it is not federal, and pretty flimsy)
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We were warned.
They warned us in Books.
They warned us in Movies and TV.
They warned us in the media!
They warned us with history.
We let the government do this to us.
Tinfoil hat wearing infowars fans have been saying this would happen for 20+ years.
You want your freedoms and privacy back? You better be ready to make allies with people you disagree with, or you're not getting shit.
Remember they went for THEM first before coming for YOU later - and who is going to be there to speak up for you?
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Just to keep dialogue open on this topic... thought I'd throw some random shit out there -
The media has in a few occasions made reference to "minority report" a dystopian thriller in regard to Australia. Not sure how many of them actually watched it (to be honest sounds more like they are mixing it up with gataca given the contexts used) but unlike the rest of the world (with the possible exception of a few open ended provisions of the US patriot act) Australia actually DOES have a "minority report" class law. Two I know of, and since I only chanced on these by accident, probably a lot more.
I expect it was passed as another indirect over arching authoritarian power for Duttons omni-department portfolio of immigration, border protection, off shore detention, navy, anti-terrorism and secret police.. but this one was passed less than 5 years ago as i recall, and was tacked on to veterans affairs.
In a nutshell, any returned serviceman, or soon to be returned serviceman can without any evidence, any mark on his record, or any other sign of problems be picked up and locked up indefinitely under psychiatric supervision forever - if the designated person for the veterans affairs portfolio expresses even the slightest concern that "one day he might have a suicidal thought in the future" and yes it is that open ended, or was when I reviewed the provisions last. What on earth could you use it for? Well considering Dutton has been caught (and covered up) giving orders that cause the sinking of refugee boats in international waters, likely it would allow soldiers ordered to do war crimes and human rights abuses to be locked up before they can tell anyone. (We all know just how much our government hates whistleblowers eh?)
Oh the other law is some open ended shit more or less the same as the one old friendlyjordies got a taste of when some goons beat up his producer - a politician can designate without evidence any citizen they like to be picked up (forever) if that politician expresses concern they may one day become a national security and/or terrorism risk. (even if they are not one yet, nor show any sign of inclinations that way yet, and their only crime might have been wearing a turban while delivering the newspaper to their house)
..and lets not forget everyone's favourite law - in Australia, any sort of encryption process is legally required to have some mathematically impossible backdoor that allows reading everything encoded using it. Hasn't really effected international services - but it does effectively mean the secure communications industry in Australia has been shut down.
Oh and the NDA covered up fact that all new ISPS in Australia are legally required to supply a government backdoor to all their users private data.
No Doubt ol Nitr0 boy Sid can list off a dozen more I forgot about.
Has everyone in Australia fallen asleep, or just forgotten how to read? How this shit even get passed ill never understand. (ye ye, because no civil rights document heard that too. Apparently Qld and Vic actually does have an albeit crude document of civil right "guidelines" but it is not federal, and pretty flimsy)
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The Science Party and since I am a federal candidate are promoting this.
In the midst of actively sabotaging minor parties, the government has passed the Identify and Disrupt Bill 2021. This bill gives unprecedented powers to police and intelligence agencies to either hack or log into your Email, your Facebook, or any other account, and not only view it but alter it however they want.
They can send emails on your behalf, they can post things on your behalf, they can engage in criminal activity on your behalf in order to reach their objective. If compliance is requested from an Australian citizen and they refuse, the consequences include jail time.
Minor parties are often the most vocal whistle-blowers on terrible government policy and abuses of power. Now they've placed most of those parties in a position where they're distracted and scrambling to survive. It should appear to be no accident that this bill was passed at almost exactly the same time. They are using the opportunity to pass terrible legislation with as little outcry as possible.
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Brendan Clarke is only here to promote his political agenda. At least unlike Lev he was open about it.
The "Science Party" seems to be for any science that goes against the LNP.
They claim to be anti war but get upset because the French aren't making us weapons of war.
They claim to be for Australia, but support shipping off jobs to China for cheaper products and trade deals.
"The most important part to play now is to help ensure that minor parties stay registered.
While Labor is alway better than the LNP, they always seem to vote with the LNP to bring in more draconian laws."
What a load of shit - If Labor was always better they wouldn't allow laws like this to pass. Help the minor parties by joining us? I think not...
Do not trust smaller "political" parties that are very much aligned with one of the major 2 parties, they will follow the big party that gives them a tiny slice of power.
Their website contains a list of policies which are impossible to implement, and cover a broad spectrum to try and keep everyone happy - under the umbrella of science...
So - where does the Science Party get its funding from? Where can I see who has donated for a political cause?
What's a local MP get paid up there?
$160,000 a year?
What's a local MP get paid up there?
$160,000 a year?
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There is a phrase which says it all.
"A politicians wages should be based on the LOWER median wage of
the majority of the nation they serve, then they might be
motivated to try to do something about it"
We could literally pay off the entire Australian deficit and debt with the IMF, if current and retired politicians waived their government benefits for a few months.
No wonder the Australian government can no longer function without fines issued for trivial road infringements+stupid regulations, and Australia has one of the highest tax rates in the world.
All politicians in Australia are corrupt. Even the ones that sometimes have our back.
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What's a local MP get paid up there?
$160,000 a year?
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Actually it might be better to say -
"A politicians wages should be based on the LOWER median INCOME of
the majority of the nation they serve, then they might be
motivated to try to do something about it"
Since the majority of the poor have to live of social security and
apparently that isn't a wage ;)
Why don't we let Brendan reply?
Apparently the Science Party can fix all this, as long as the Libs aren't involved.
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Looks like the government is trying to pull another swifty - we
have TWO days to object to the government forcing everyone to get
a digital identity. You have until 5:00 pm AEDT on
Wednesday 27 October 2021 to upload your submission on
the Bill and the Regulation Impact Statement.
You can post objections here:
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I think point 8 in my objection really shows the crux of the
matter - although in general digital identify discriminates
against those not using the internet of things, and smart devices
are not cheap.
[8: Overall, reliance on any sort of conventional digital
identity system is an ill thought out bad idea that would only
appeal to the most young fad-driven youth who don't know better
and cannot understand in the real world most of us live outside
of their smart devices, and don't depend on the internet.]
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David Fernee? Where is you well spoken English when we need it?
Instead of me saying "Oi dickheads stop spying on me"...
I just think you can articulate it better ;)
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David Fernee? Where is you well spoken English when we need it?
Instead of me saying "Oi dickheads stop spying on me"...
I just think you can articulate it better ;)
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I think point 8 in my objection really shows the crux of the matter - although in general digital identify discriminates against those not using the internet of things, and smart devices are not cheap.
[8: Overall, reliance on any sort of conventional digital identity system is an ill thought out bad idea that would only appeal to the most young fad-driven youth who don't know better and cannot understand in the real world most of us live outside of their smart devices, and don't depend on the internet.]
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Perhaps I could summarise it as a friendly battle of wits between the ideologies of Pink Floyd and The Police?
On the one hand:On the other hand:I appreciate both bands very much. It does seem an awful lot like Estonia though: e-Estonia — We have built a digital society and we can show you how. I prefer the Nordics to the Baltics in any case (although Bora Bora and a beach towel would be preferable to either at present in my opinion).
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Cmon Mr Wox
We can't just go calling people Nazis, sure we have some 1930s Germany like policies - but throwing THAT word around - just makes people think you're being emotional and not rational. (U mad bro, it's ok I am too).
Our political system is flawed but we're not throwing people into camps or gas chambers, just for being who they are. As Australian we are better than Nazis, and always will be.
friendlyjoyrides is still making videos while Gladys and Bruz are out of a job, in 1930s Germany jordies would be executed for speaking up against the government. In current China he would be "disappeared" as directed by that George Orwell textbook from 1984.
It's seems not many people want to speak up because they are scared of losing things - friends, careers, housing etc - without knowing they will lose a lot more by being silent.
Big hacker mailing list... No major discussion about digital vaccine passports. You have to scan a QR code with your phone, which links to a place, that logs time of your activity with the government..... Then you have to show your phone to someone else to be verified.
Are we going to get QR codes on our homes next?
Stop calling our government germans and call them what they are, Dystopian Dictators, Fear Mongers, Corrupt, Controlling, maybe Psychopathic... plenty of creative words you can use.
Also to answer your question at the end - No, No I do not. ;) I'm also happy that you keep bringing this up because people are too occupied by a virus even Mac users catch, and don't seem to care much about digital privacy anymore.
Here's the problem - by the time we know about these laws it's too late. This is all done for our own protection, and people want to feel safe and secure and happy, and most people think they are.
How do you convince people to even speak up against laws, which they don't think matter to them? You know, the whole "If you're not doing something wrong, you don't have anything to worry about" attitude?
We can jump up and down and scream to the world about it, but why should they care? Is this more important than the latest Celebrity Wanker Challenge? Or the latest woke Marvel movie?
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Well, what we're talking about here is both political / immigration issues, and censorship issues.
Personally, I don't know the specific details on every part of refugees immigration process, there is a lot going on with intelligence organisations to ensure they actually want to be here, and why they need refugee status. Clearly there is a whole bunch of red tape stopping people entering, and that's a genuine issue. We should either take them in or send them elsewhere, not lock them up for years on end.
The use of force at a detention center is also a pretty complicated subject, no one should be mistreated, but on the other hand you need some form of crowd control. Lots of the people stuck there already come from war torn places and will do desperate things to survive, so the people who "watch over" them need to be able to react to whatever situation is put in front of them.
The best defense is a good offense, or not pissing off a whole bunch of other countries..... another discussion..... but we're still not Nazis god damnit!
When it comes to your FB posts being deleted, that's our real issue. We don't know WTF is going on half the time, and people who try and share information which certain..... corporate interests... don't want shared, we get to <current year> things happening.
Once again - how do we make people care about freedoms they don't know they might (will) need in the future?
Shall I remind all your male nerds that the MyGov app can listen to you jerkin the gherkin, and see the nasty pics you look up on some chans?
"Quick citizen 26001737473 is having a heart attack! Oh wait no just rubbing one out, it's ok"... It's gonna happen.
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How many refugees do we let in during lockdowns?
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Good Sir David
The question wasn't specifically directed at you, more so to get people thinking about how the processing of refugees happens. Also I think the boat in reference was the Tampa? Could be wrong but the names rings a bell. (MV Tampa thanks google)
However the data you have produced does show good information, the amount of refugees has dropped significantly due to lockdowns.
Does this make us evil? We DID refuse Australian citizens entry to their own country, and stopped foreign citizens returning home. In my opinion yes, denying an Australian citizen entry to their homeland is a bit evil - and that applies to the same reduction in genuine refugees - especially after the Afghanistan ordeal.
If we can look past Mr Wox's valid emotional reaction to these events and calling people Nazis, he's not totally wrong on some of the humanitarian issues which could be better handled.
But that comes back to the whole question of, what exact positive changes do we want to make? And how do we make these changes happen?
I know there is many good people here who don't know what to do - and I don't want to go around inciting protests - but seriously people if you dont start speaking up then we're not going to be here to speak up for you. Look at history.
All political bullshit needs to be put aside and hackers needs to start being hackers again. These days you can't even joke about the Clinton kill count without being called a right wing nut, and its just fucking jokes!
2600 get your shit together.
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