Brahmins//Temple tank -Multiple updates to Siva/Ramraj/ Vaidhi Ram

[swaminathan aiyar]

Siva, Vaidhim Ramraj, Ramaswamy Muthu and others, request you to  read carefully. Those who are offended or strongly believe in some pet Gurus of theirs may kindly ignore this email. Read at your own peril

Ramaswamy

Before I forget, please give a copy of your Dad's book on Brahmins,, at least an e-copy. Gladly willing to pay though the money is not relevant for you -I mention this out of propriety.

Ramraj

You are right and only some points are wrong.

The wrong part:

As usual you are going off at a tangent. I knew the water was dirty. I still had a bath. My faith in Perumal is strong. So I wanted to have a bath. But it also means that I am disappointed that a prominent temple tank is so dirty. Obviously, children don't have to have the same faith, not at this age. When I was that age, I  flatly refused to get into the tanks despite my Mom pleading with me , in fact. 

And Ramraj, it is not a question of Swami bathing or not bathing. The tank is dirty and it should not be. It is supposed to be a punya theertham where all ailments are supposed to get cured  - especially this tank has that 'power' - is the belief.

Siva/ UPDATE ON TEMPLE TANK cleaning = I spoke to the Temple management. Told them we are willing to help. They said that they are diverting Krishna Water throiugh Poondi dam to this temple tank and that they are putting a purification system in place within 3 months. So they said no help would be required as of now. However, they have taken down my details and promised to ask for assistance. So I am now trying to find the next temple tank. More next week. 

Ramraj, the right part:

You are right about Brahmin priests not doing homams properly. Vaidhi, Ramraj may do for selfish reasons but our scriptures or sastras allow for homams for getting a wife or husband or child ( thats how Draupadi was born). In my case too Ramraj, when I did a homam at Kanchi Mutt Mambalam some years ago ( after that, NEVER a homam),  the Iyer priests ( saying Iyer to show they are equally or worse than the Iyengar buggers who came for your Sudarsana homam) were actually ogling at all the ladies who came to the temple. We were doing the homam in the temple. In fact the minute a lady came in, one bastard would wink at the other priest next to him and then that guy would also look around to see or 'sight' that lady. I will use only this strong language since these priests are worse than the poor beggars, poor drunkards who are not as enlightened as these priests are supposed to be !!! 

I blasted that Chief Priest and told him that if he came within 10 yards of the Kanchi Mutt, I would cut his ass off. 

ALSO BE CAREFUL, I HEARD THAT ONE SOUTH MADRAS TEMPLE) PRIEST IS GOING AROUND HOUSES, CONDUCTING HOMAMS and also seducing or 'correcting' all the aunties, whether Chettiars or Naidus or Iyer or Iyengars. Never allow these buggers to go near your house  or your relatives' homes when you are not there.  Not all are rogues but do not take the risk.

Its a nexus. Usually you will have some Swamiji recommending an astrologer who will say you have a problem and recommend a homam ( I see some people on this forum talking about this Guru , that Guru and very amused. I respect their right to believe but which Guru is able to locate the missing Malaysian plane. I will give him 50000 flat!!! Dont bullshit that a Guru need not do that. If he is not for helping during worldly crises, then the world does not need him. Over to Vaidi on this point).

Having said this I still know some young and old priests who are very traditional, do not smoke, go to prostitutes or take non-veg. They are still powerful, sincere and orthodox. But they do not advertise and you have to struggle hard to locate them. 

In fact, I have realized that I am nowadays a teetotaller,  pure vegetarian , do Gayatri Jap as much as possible ( and I know that our Srinivasan Kalyanasundaram - Srini is even 1000 times more orthodox than me - I have seen him in Tnagar) and actually we are  more orthodox than some of these gurukkals and priests.

Muthu

AFter retirement, iif I read the Vedas like a true Brahmin, maybe at least then I can do some homams sincerely. Till then, Muthu, this is why maybe Lord Krishna said namasankirtanam is best ( I think its he who said). Why? He knew that you will have this moral degraadation and since homams can give wrong results if done wrongly, best is to chant the name of the Lord. Simplest way.

Try this Muthu. No long prayer. Just om Namah Shivaya 108 times == it will take you 5 minutes if you chant quickly, closing your eyes. I am willing to bet  you will feel better. I think nowadays I have realized maybe rather lately, that religion makes you better equipped to face challenges, it does not make the challenges go away. No compulsion, as I said, nasthika dharma is AN ACCEPTED METHOD OF LIFE IN Hinduism. Of course, you don't have to worry whether its accepted or not.

regards

Swami

My arse was on fire the last 2 days and hence I couldn't respond earlier. Good insightful points from all.. I learnt so much. 

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Ram Lakshminarayanan <majorr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Vaidi

Welcome back!

'miracles' - my take on it is as follows. Things just happen and we attach the importance or meaning to them or interpret in the way they suit us either consciously or otherwise. You getting diverted would have happened anyways if you happened to be at that location and at that time. However you correlated that to the event from the immediate past. Just imagine if it wasn't Sai temple but a movie that you had planned. You probably would have been equally happy with the outcome. By the way my wife narrated pretty similar incident when she was on a temple tour recently. She was so happy that her God made it happen. Is that a miracle, may be! All things in life are miracles in a way.  Problem starts when much importance is attached to these so called miracles because when they don't happen the disappointment is far worse. 

On your points on Brahmins - agree with your view. My dad had written a four volume book on the history of contributions by Brahmins to the Indian society. What was amazing is that it was so popular that he had few more reprints. He would get calls from different parts of the world asking for a copy. 

Having said that i guess Ramraj is perhaps reflecting on the falling standards that are usually attached to that profession. But again if we look around almost all such professions which were once revered including teachers, doctors etc have fallen down in the high standard and esteem that they used to be held in the past. Or may be it's just that they are changing as with the rest of the society and it's perhaps our perception about them that has to change with time. 

Cheers

Ram

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On 24 Apr, 2014, at 1:52 pm, "vaidi-idapl" <va...@idapl.in> wrote:

Frineds,

 

Out of circulation for  a few days, drive to Chennai to attend the 100^th birthday of my Aunt, who has literally served our family (her brother’s) for four generations and we treat as our own mother.

 

Belated wishes to MSA – good to read the “down memory lane” posts of Viji and Ram, took me down that route too for a brief period.

 

About Swami’s post: I am only wondering on whose advise(?)  you had gone to the temple and for what parikaram? I wish you a very nice common sense attitude to life, which will enable you to enjoy every moment of it, both while it happens and after it happens with enjoyable memories.

 

Ramraj:  I am not very convinced of your arguments about Brahmins – historically, they have been instrumental in bringing new technology to society, to increase the spread the population – actually, only those who did this came to be called Brahmins and after all, being in the same family was the best way to learn the ways when there was a lack of communication tools (from writing to the internet today!). It is despicable that people complain of the priestly class, who generally are taught not the philosophical background of their profession but what is called as “prayogam” i.e application of the agamas. The agamas and sutras as anyway so arbitrary - for example, your own advice to Swami to do prokshanam – I am sure that if there was a post saying that scientically taking bath in temple water will give immortality since the vibrations of the prayers of so many bhakthas has purified it and it is proven to have medicinal value etc., you will be the first to forward it!  It is very easy to blame a small group in the society called Brahmins – please note that if India can boast of having come out of the caste issues, it is mainly due to the Brahmins who fought for the downtrodden!

If today people go the US, nay all the world, look back to the 1960’s and 70’s and you will find that the Brahmins from Tamil Nadu have run away from persecution of the likes of the DK and its stupid followers, have laid the foundation of Indian society abroad.

This is true of Mumbai too – I see so many families who have moved here way back in the 1920’s and have set up the society for Tamilians here.

Yes, Brahmins have been pioneers all over India (not just Tamil Nadu) – Veda Vyasa was a great example of this – he is said to have travelled into deep forests converting erstwhile local tribals to the Vedic way of life.

The taboos Brahmins impose upon themselves like strict diet (note, I do not say vegetarian!), strict marriage rules, way of living etc. are there to allow them to retain their faith under adverse circumstances the face as they spread around!

I regret that the guy who is having the homam done at home due to his own greed (more wealth, removal of some dosham or anything) is cribbing at the guy who is doing it for him for his greed.

We are ready to pay Rs. 80 for a simple idli-wada, but will not allow our Purohit to charge us more!

The agamas and sutras have been subject to modification throughout history and we can practically do what we want and call it as per the sutras – only our bowing to some local authority (kanchi mutt or xyz mutt or some guru) puts some semblance of order.

Look at each function you have attended over your life of 50 years and see the difference in the performance , you will understand what I mean.

 

A final word on this: Ramraj, please do not interpret this that I am a Brahmin(???) friend and I am objecting – I am just putting up a view point. I am not in any way hurt or troubled by your post. Please continue posting.

 

 

Viji: Here is one more “miracle” for your records – more closer, since it is related to Sai. During my trip home, Chitra wanted to go the Sai Samaj, Mylapore and have darshan. I was telling her that nowadays there is a lot of crowd and there is no point is waiting for darshan, and more typical of my style, I told her that the door of our house is as good as Saibaba and she can have darshan of that door  - after all, Sai Samaj was brought to Chennai by Sri Narasimhaswamiji and as we all know, doors and footsteps are a favoured by Narasimha. Well, after a few words, we left for Mylapore to buy some appalams and vadams. Well, after buying all these things, I thought that instead of making a U-turn, I will go around the tank and come back to Egmore. Wonder of wonders, when I reached the south west corner, there was an election procession and we were allowed only to go straight and past the Sai Samaj – mark this, we found that the temple was empty and we just had to walk in to have a darshan. We went in, sat down for a brief meditation and since it was 12, Arati started. We saw the full Arati and then left. From no-darshan to full-darshan due to an election procession – who said election precessions has no use? Do I call this the pull of Sai? What if we had been directed to the left and we ended having a darshan of Hanuman? Will I vote for the party who took out the electrion procession? Will my wife vote?  Such are the deep questions in life!

 

Sorry guys, three days of no posting and so ….

 

 

Vaidi.

 

 

 

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[Ramraj Naidu]

Aiyer: Today morning my wife went to Mangadu temple, she stopped going there after that old priest expired. Morning 05.00am she went it seems the iyers were not in good mood and were showing bad faces at the sevartis since the air condition was not working inside, when she gave the flower he threw that at the chakram, for rs 100.00 dakshina she gave one lemon only he has given  and another sevarthi has given  rs 500.00 dakshina they gave lemon malai it seems, that is how it is becoming day by day.  Our temple gurukal fellow is having that latest bike of Hero Honda which is costing more than 1.00 lakh, He is asking me to recommend  some loan arranging agents, i asked him what is your budget, he says around rs 15.00 to 20.00 lakh and emi he can easily afford upto rs15000 to 20000, He is having i phone, all these temple presiets are updated with latest cellular phones my friend.  Tomorrow or tonight i will right about one swamiji who came in our temple kumbhaabhisekham, cheated us 1.00 lakh, till then have a nice time.

Viji:Regarding Baba miracles i have plenty day by day i can keep on writing, if i find time and if you are really interested i will write it in your personal email id, 

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[vaidi-idapl]

Ramraj,

 

This is a consumerist world – I remember when my eldest brother wanted to buy a house and was going to the housing board for loan, my father was totally against it - This was circa 1974, we were in 4^th standard – my father’s opinion was that you should save first and then spend. Today, the situation is totally reverse – the maid who comes to clean our office daily has an iPhone, a friend of mine who works with RIL as an officer recently bought an Audi – all spending their future earnings! This is the case with the Koil kurukkal too – we do not expect our house agent to own a house bigger than the one he is trying to arrange for us, similarly, the kurukkal is trying to arrange a better deal for you with God but does not mean that his deal with God would be better!

 

If possible kindly share the miracles details to me also, I would be very much interested – they make for good reading and remembering when one gets into trouble.

 

Vaidi.

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[ccpl1 .]

Dear Ramraj,

I also share Vaidi's opinion. Pls share it with the group or atleast pls send it to my mail id.

Pls dont mistake me from my previous mail for an atheist. I am a firm believer of God, only thing which I dont approve of the consumerism which has taken over all our temples.

Regards,

Muthu.

[Ram Lakshminarayanan]

Vaidi

I can share about something that I had seen in Ramraj's old house behind Dasprakash hotel. They have this small photo of a guruji in their pooja room. Vibudhi will be found all over the photo. They used to collect and share with others. Having seen it Ramraj's house I would hesitate to call it as bogus simply because their family are too genuine and honest people to try any cheap tricks. Also they never publicized about it sharing it with only people who came to their house.

Interesting isn't it?

Cheers

Ram
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[vaidi-idapl]

Did the vibudhi come out even when the house is empty?

This does not mean that the people are cheating – we have just been discussing about the fallibility of the brain, these are simply more tricks that the brain plays on us. Unless we do a “controlled” experiment (which is least likely to be allowed) this will be difficult. Even if a controlled experiment fails, we can always await a further mode of sensing which can be discovered and which can prove the result otherwise.

Seeing a hundred black crows does not rule out the possibility of a white crow….

Seeing a single while crow will demolish the idea that all crows are black.

 

It is the necessity of humans to have God manifest in such ways as to seem unfathomable!

 

Reminded of Sai’s words: when he was asked why he grants boons to his devotees and whether this act will not put them more into the maya of life, he answers, “ I give them what they want in the fond hope that one day they start wanting what I want to give them”

 

Visu in Sai?

 

Vaidi.

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[Ram Lakshminarayanan]

Agree on your point on Vibudhi. I was only an observer. Was it real or not 'yaamariom'. At that age my family were uncomfortable with my 'non-conformist' views. Hardly would I have tried with others.

Anything that is unexplainable tends to be unfathomable. 

Why would Sai not give what he wanted to give? 

Question - Are gurus guides or maps or neither?

Ram

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[vaidi-idapl]

Ram, Just see the difficulty one faces to put out common sense attitudes in a, shall we dare say, erudite group like ours and in this day and age when our very survival seems to have come out of our curiosity and experimentation and one can appreciate the difficulty of being non-confirmist.

 

I do not believe in God but firmly believe in the concept of God – this is a very useful concept which can help us have an attitude of willing suspension of disbelief, which in turn, helps us not to get bogged down and take a proactive view when confronted with issues.

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[Ram Lakshminarayanan]

Could not have said it better myself Vaidi. This is exactly my principle from a very young age which has only solidified over the years.

Regards

Ram

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[Ramraj Naidu]

Done vaidhi.

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[swaminathan aiyar]

Done what, Vaidhi?

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[Vijay Krishnasamy]

OK, my dear Vaidi, Ram and other good friends. This I didn't want to reply earlier, but have to now, as I was touching upon (just) this Vibudhi eposide, which happened in Ramraj's house so long ago, and Ram being a credible witness of the same, to my wife over our dinner table. My wife (who is a staunch Sai devotee), who choose Veterinary Surgery course over the human medicine admission (she got in MMC), just to serve the small animals, as she humbly says, (but she often troubles and causes pain to the heart of this big animal Vijay in different ways), insisted that I share this testimonial with you guys. 

Last year, the same Vibudhi episode happened in our house too, on the big photo of Sai, which my wife has in our lounge room. Fragrant Vibudhi was all over his photo, which my wife discovered early in the morning. We thought my nine yr old (at that time) would have sprinkled it all over from the container in our puja stand, but my daughter refused saying it is not her act. My wife cleared all the vibudhi and put in some container to be distributed to her Sai group friends later (of course they all go on a conference call often, with my wife putting her head phones while working in the kitchen, chatting to 4 or 5 other (fat) Indian Aunties (dare you say that Viji), anything from Jewels, to new cars/houses other ladies bought, to Ram Charan Teja's Maghadeera dance). 

After a month or so, we locked our house and went in the morning to work after dropping our kids at school. Evening we all came together that day (which is not always the case), and were stunned to see that more Vibudhi on the photo (this Sai one has a special fragrance in it, who scents it, GOK). This confirmed to us that no other human did it (which my 14 yr old is still trying to prove through some Google theory). Not very surprised as I have heard it from my 2nd elder sister (in India, her husband is an ardent Sai devotee), that the samandhi flower garland her husband puts on Sai's photo, often grows 2 or more feet in length, in a matter of few days. Just a mention of another case here, there is a mound of Vibudhi pouring out of Sai's photos/statues kept in the puja room of a my wife's friend's house (Sri lankan Tamil lady), with lingams and lockets submerged in that mound, even when they keep the room closed for hours during the day (as witnessed and approved by other Indian ladies, which more than any scientific committees approval, if one Indian lady can approve of another to her husband at least). Also on this topic, my wife often tells me that these miracles, are done by divine Gurus to attract normal human beings (who are not yet in the path of divinity) to God, or to help or reassure the devotees in their moment of need, distress or doubt.

Regards

Viji K

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[swaminathan aiyar]

Vijay

I don;t think we need to worried about Ram being cynical despite this vibuthi incident. Spirituality or lack of it is not a sin. If Ram has been a good man, well, that itself is more than enough.

Ramraj, I do not know if u are aware of it. One astrologer told in the Times that for some people, going to God is not good for their careers or lives. Apparently, the placement of Budha/ Surya decides this religious bent of mind. And for some people the stars are so powerful ( maybe Ram's is) that religion or no religion, their purva janma punyam keeps guarding over them. However, in the next birth, aappu may be waiting for them. 

I do not believe in Puttaparthi Sai Baba but let me hasten to add that he was a great soul. See, he was a Guru who actually believed in social action that made a difference. He brought Krishna Water to Madras in a more efficient manner by lining the canal. Cost 200 crores.

No wonder, so-called atheist CM's wife also fell at his feet and got their blessings. One is not against Gurus. We are against Gurus who sit in cushy ambiences and talk spiritual nonsense. Sai Baba however, was beyond all those failings.

about others but I tend to believe that you had a genuine experience. While I rubbish modern Gurus, there are so many miracles I have heard about Puttaparthi Sai Baba. It is indeed great that the Vibudhi came from the picture. Shows you had his blessings.

You are truly, truly fortunate. Now many people used to say that Putaaparthi Sai Baba was not a great man, etc. I do NOT believe , personally that a Guru has to be perfect if his good acts outweigh the bad ones. 

Ditto for Shirdi. My passport renewal had not happened and I was scheduled to fly to Colorado. My wife said ' stop worrying, go to our Sai Baba ( Mylapore) temple.So I walked there on Thursday and took part in the Annadhanam ( I had booked for it on Wednesday with a half-hearted belief. I am finishing the Annadhanam and licking my hands clean of that sakkara pongal when my area postman called me - saying my passport had come. I couldn't believe my ears. It was not due for another 3 weeks and hence it was within a week or 8 days. I still do not say nor can say I believe in Shirdi or Putaparthi since Brahmin traditions do not allow for Samadhi worship, I am told. But they are both (Shiridi/ Puttaparti) great souls.

regards

Swami

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[Vijay Krishnasamy]

Swami, appreciate your frank and honest reply. As far as Ram is concerned, even back at school days he was a better and nicer person than me. What if he or our master Vaidi don't believe in God or Spirituality, as you have pointed out, by being good at heart and in their actions towards others, they are still better than a million hypocrite God fearing people out there (including myself). As far as I am concerned, I believe in God and more than that believe in Spirituality (Advaitha), all through hearing and reading theories, watching related videos, but zero practice in that path yet (so I rate myself lethargic here), so what, that's no end of the world for me too. Machi, on the other side, "ennikku setha nalaikku pal" ,,, vittathai adutha janmathil thodaralam, no hurry, no worry.

Anyway Swami, where are you based these days, you sound like "உலகம், சுற்றும் வாலிபன்"

About puttparuthi Sai baba, whether any of us believe him or not, as you have pointed out, he has done a great service for humanity (like bringing Krishna water to Chennai), one of his ashram's other great project was the Super specialty hospital, where world class treatment and surgery are done for millions of poor and needy people for free. Guys, when you have time, please watch the given youtube video by Isac Tigrett (who used to own Hard Rock Cafe chain earlier, now lives a yogi's life, and has given hundreds of millions of dollars in charity towards the construction of Putta Parthi, Super Specialty hospital, here is his testimonial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWLynIn13KA 

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[vaidi-idapl]

Friends,

 

All I am advocating is a little clear skepticism in our thinking and not to accord special status to religion in our thinking, unless it helps you in doing so.

My tirades against Gurus (old and new) and Babas (living, non-linving) is only to balance a bias that is generally shown by the flock.

 

Swami: I am god fearing – today is amavasya and I have come here after doing tharpanam (Dharpan is the actual word, I think) because I find that it helps me. I do not insist that anybody accept my view points, only that they consider it and if any issues, I am open to discussion – this along will bring out hidden views and overall contribute to common knowledge.

 

Reticular Activation Device: I learnt about this a few years back from a book, I have actually forgotten which one – I think one of the Fish series – and I have been very successful in using it to resolve issues, find missing stuff etc. It actually works for me quite a number of times. I am sure that mediation helps in solving problems also because when you focus on one mantra or whatever (which is basically irrelevant to your immediate life), the churning of the neural signals that happens throws up many options which you would not have thought about before. – my view point for what it is worth.

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[swaminathan aiyar]

Dear Vaidhi

Tell me more about this reticular activation. But wait, let e pull ur leg a little more.Your insight that this actually makes the brain think in diverse ways is too interesting. 

Dear Siva

Paathaya. Correct Vaidihi -a eppadi  pu...du...la pidicchen. He now says he believes in God ( while that day he said he believes in the concept of God but not in God per se).

Yen Siva indha maari oru plum-aa Vaidhi point kodukkum podhu chummaa irukka/?

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[vaidi-idapl]

Don’t you believe that some body can believe at one time and not at another time – switching back and forth?.

For electronics engineers:  a linear power supply is less efficient than an SMPS (the one you have inside your laptop/pc) – if we were to make linear power supplies for a PC it will turn out to be bigger than the PC!

So switching between God and not God seems to be more efficient than otherwise – I believe people do this unconsciously anyway (even the great Bakthimans and the most loyal of the flock, let alone the Guru or God him(her/it)self.

 

Vaidi.

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[prasad venkat]

What an explanation Vaidi garu! 

Prasad

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[swaminathan aiyar]

OK Vaidi.
Siva I know u r laughing there... Eppa bhakti varum pogum vaidhikku theriyadhu.
My take is Vaidi and all of us get frustrated at times at our inability to explain some things..

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[Vijay Krishnasamy]

அன்புள்ள நண்ப, நீ கடவுள் இல்லை என்று சொல்கிறாய் அல்லது கடவுள் உண்மை என்று சொல்கிறாய் அல்லது கடவுள் உண்மையாக இருந்தால் நல்லது என்று சொல்கிறாய்,  மொத்தத்தில், நீ என்ன சொல்கிறாய் ? 

நான் உன்னை பற்றி நினைத்து என் இரவு தூக்கம் இழந்து ... மன நிலை சரி இல்லை

[P.S. Hope I've full liberty to pull your leg Vaidi ....:-) ]

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From: vaidi-idapl <va...@idapl.in>
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Sent: Monday, 28 April 2014 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: Brahmins//Temple tank -Multiple updates to Siva/Ramraj/ Vaidhi Ram

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[vaidi-idapl]

Swami,

 

I can understand you constantly calling Siva to back you up – don’t worry, you can call me directly on my face without support.

Clearly, everybody will, at times, find it difficult to explain some things – however, just because you are not able to answer a question during the exam does not mean that the question does not admit an answer or that you cannot answer it after you come home and look it up.

Frustration is a positive view point when used properly – kaththi is for cutting, but you should hold it with its handle, blade-a pudichuttu ayyayyo keerudhe-nu kaththiye waste-nu solradhu waste-a thonadha?

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[vaidi-idapl]

Viji,

 

For all the riling I have been doing about your probably long imprinted beliefs, if I cannot even allow you to pull my leg to this extent, even Sai, for all his benevolence, will not grant me his forgiveness.

However, there is no point in pulling my leg, I am already a fallen man! J - Non-Muttall –a  dhan muttal akka mudiym, Nan-muttal-nu oththukaravana enna pannuve?

In this group any leg can be pulled any person at any time!

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[swaminathan aiyar]

DearVaidi. I called Siva because he and I have debated whether new nallavanaa kettavannaa enru. You are unlike some sidu moonjis in this forum. Vers year Kitts urimai kaamikka mudiyum..

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[vaidi-idapl]

Aniyayama, nallavana kettavana debate-a , god-fearing –a illaya debate-a mathitteengale?

 

Kadavula nambaravan ellarum nallavana?

Kadavula nambaadhavan ellaraum kettavana?

 

When I was doing a vedanta course in Chinmaya ashram Mumbai under Swami Chinmayananda (around 1989/1990), one day one brahmachari asked “how will I know that I am on the true path of Vedanta” – he answered, “ the day when a close friend stops you in the middle of the street and calls you a bastard on your face, and you do not react but start thinking what has made my friend like this and what can I do to win him over again, that day you are on the path of Vedanta and when you can sit next to the garbage dump and enjoy your dinner, you are on this path of Knowledge!”. He then continued to go over the story of the Saint and the Snake to balance the advice he gave us -  I will write out this story later, in case some in the group want it.

 

I have not forgotten the lesson.

 

Regards,

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