Retirement.....

[Sofronis Efstathiou]

 

Was it announced – been in lectures all morning?

 

Arse

 

http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/

 

 

 

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The future is bright.

Not for XSI users, obviously.

[Sofronis Efstathiou]

I can’t believe Jigsaw broke the news…

 

Sofronis Efstathiou
 
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Computer Animation Academic Group

National Centre for Computer Animation

Email: sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk

 

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[Ben Beckett]

Houdini

[Artur Woźniak]

Yep, ok, but how many houses uses Houdini as they would use SI?

What we looking at is Maya ... nothing, .... 3ds Max, ........................................... ? Maybe Cinema4D, 

Artur Woźniak

 

https://vimeo.com/83506156

https://vimeo.com/user3560131/videos

[Mirko Jankovic]

Actually we are looking at Softimage in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and at least 2018 and more.. better then those other two Frankenstein dinosaurs of software. Till 2020 ther will either be world warr III so none will care about software at all or something will show on market.

Autodesk is crap company and doesn't deserve trust of anyone.. max guys will cry next....

[Simon Reeves]

While I am able to stay in my current position at this nice small company, I'm not going to switch to another autodesk product when I feel the need to switch. 

Although I don't see that for a while either unless suddenly development of renderers stop.

But I might start to have a look at modo/houdini/fabric so I have a basic understanding of what is available.

Long live xsi ;)

Simon Reeves

London, UK

si...@simonreeves.com
www.simonreeves.com

www.analogstudio.co.uk

[Jason S]

[Mirko Jankovic]

Live long and prosper!

at least they won't make it worse anymore plus all that nice budget to direct to plugins and renderers. mmmm

[Stefan Kubicek]

Not that I know of. And it says at the top: "Slated for release in 2015?" What?

>
> Was it announced - been in lectures all morning?

>
> Arse
>
> http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/
>
>
>
> Sofronis Efstathiou
>
> Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director
> Computer Animation Academic Group
> National Centre for Computer Animation
>

> Email: sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk<mailto:sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk>

>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805
>
> Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou
>
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> http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX
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[Daniel Sweeney]

So they have spoken. 

Slow transition to another DCC then it is. I will use soft for as long as possible, But time to get the thinking hat on.

What is everyone thinking of going too? I am going to look into modo for my own work I think but will probably need to know a bit about maya for freelance work.

utter bullshit, but not a shock to be honest. probably the worse thing that could do is alienate there user base. like the blind leading the blind.

Daniel Sweeney
3D Creative Director

Mobile: +44 (0)7743429771
Email: Dan...@northforge.co.uk
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Kubicek <s...@tidbit-images.com> wrote:

Not that I know of. And it says at the top: "Slated for release in 2015?" What?

Was it announced - been in lectures all morning?

Arse

http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/



Sofronis Efstathiou

Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director
Computer Animation Academic Group
National Centre for Computer Animation

Email: sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk<mailto:sefstathiou@bournemouth.ac.uk>

Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805

Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou

Student Work:
http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation
http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX
http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation

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[John Clausing]

It also says "support till April 2016"

As for me, as a freelancer, gotta go Maya. But I'm going to learn Modo and Houdini

Sent from my iPhone

[Maurício PC]

I just hope companies don't change to anything AD. Freelancers have to learn whatever a job asks for, but a company can choose it's way of working.

So please ... no more money for AD, they don't deserve it.

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[Max Evgrafov]

 managers of AD are scoundrels. they will burn in hell

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[Martin Contel]

A sad day indeed. :_(

I'm still grateful to Jordi Bares for introducing me to XSI 10 years ago. It showed me how wrong Maya was.

My current company uses Maya but I still use Softimage for modeling and UV stuff daily. I don't know what my next tool will be, but I will not stick to Maya for sure: it can go to hell and stay there forever.

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[Max Evgrafov]

it is impossible to forgive AD

[Simon Reeves]

True to a degree, but think of all the freelancers right now using softimage, working at a company where there might be some people using maya, and knowing all the jobs out there for maya, it's likely they would just pick up maya and give it a go and eventually, everyone is maya

Somewhere like the mill for instance, all the juniors were maya.. slowly less and less xsi

Simon Reeves

London, UK

si...@simonreeves.com
www.simonreeves.com

www.analogstudio.co.uk

[Cristobal Infante]

Linked removed from Jigsaw, even though they even tweeted about it? weird enough.

Sad day guys, best of luck to everyone..

[Mirko Jankovic]

http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/

taken page down.. who was a bit premature....

[Eric Thivierge]

3pm EST today folks... stay tuned..

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:41:19 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
> http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/
>
> taken page down.. who was a bit premature....
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Max Evgrafov <sum...@gmail.com
> <mailto:sum...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> it is impossible to forgive AD
>
>
> 2014-03-04 16:33 GMT+04:00 Max Evgrafov <sum...@gmail.com

> <mailto:sum...@gmail.com>>:

>
> managers of AD are scoundrels. they will burn in hell
>
>
>
> 2014-03-04 16:24 GMT+04:00 John Clausing

> <jclau...@yahoo.com <mailto:jclau...@yahoo.com>>:

>
> It also says "support till April 2016"
>
> As for me, as a freelancer, gotta go Maya. But I'm going
> to learn Modo and Houdini
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Daniel Sweeney

> <dan...@northforge.co.uk <mailto:dan...@northforge.co.uk>>

> wrote:
>
>> So they have spoken.
>> Slow transition to another DCC then it is. I will use
>> soft for as long as possible, But time to get the
>> thinking hat on.
>>
>> What is everyone thinking of going too? I am going to
>> look into modo for my own work I think but will probably
>> need to know a bit about maya for freelance work.
>>
>> utter bullshit, but not a shock to be honest. probably
>> the worse thing that could do is alienate there user
>> base. like the blind leading the blind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel Sweeney
>> 3D Creative Director
>>

>> *Mobile:*+44 (0)7743429771 <tel:%2B44%20%280%297743429771>
>> *Email:*Dan...@northforge.co.uk
>> <mailto:Dan...@northforge.co.uk>
>> *Web:*http://northforge.co.uk <http://northforge.co.uk/>

>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Kubicek
>> <s...@tidbit-images.com <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Not that I know of. And it says at the top: "Slated
>> for release in 2015?" What?
>>
>>
>> Was it announced - been in lectures all morning?
>>
>> Arse
>>

>> http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/__news/11949-autodesk-__softimages-retirement-what-__you-need-to-know/

>> <http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sofronis Efstathiou
>>
>> Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition
>> & Festival Director
>> Computer Animation Academic Group
>> National Centre for Computer Animation
>>
>> Email: sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk

>> <mailto:sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk><__mailto:sefstathiou@__bournemouth.ac.uk
>> <mailto:sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk>>

>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805

>> <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201202%20965805>
>>
>> Profile:
>> http://uk.linkedin.com/in/__sofronisefstathiou
>> <http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou>
>>
>> Student Work:
>> http://www.youtube.com/__NCCA3DAnimation
>> <http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation>
>> http://www.youtube.com/__NCCADigitalFX
>> <http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX>
>> http://www.youtube.com/__NCCAAnimation
>> <http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation>
>>
>> [cid:image001.jpg@01CF379F.__4F6AC9C0]<http://www.__bfxfestival.com/competition/
>> <http://www.bfxfestival.com/competition/>>
>>
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>> <http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/>>
>> [cid:image003.png@01CF379F.__4F6AC9C0]
>> <http://www.bfxfestival.com/>
>>
>>
>> [cid:image004.jpg@01CF379F.__4F6AC9C0]

>>
>>
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>> with wide scientific and creative applications
>>
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[Maurício PC]

Hey Eric,

Since the jigsaw article said Softimage will be around until 2016 (when it finally stops on AD side), I do hope that you guys can change to something no AD a all.

Giving them money after what they've done has to be a no-go. But I understand that you guys need to change for what will help you guys get more jobs.

Just hope it's not AD stuff. :/

                    <mailto:sefstathiou@bournemouth.ac.uk><__mailto:sefstathiou@__bournemouth.ac.uk
                    <mailto:sefstathiou@bournemouth.ac.uk>>

[Eric Thivierge]

Just an FYI, all my opinions are my own and not of Hybride. We still
have many many internal conversations yet to come to decide on our path.

I've voiced my opinion enough about where I think we should go and I'm
sticking to my guns. I dislike AD as much as the next person, but
making a living and having a stable job not dependent on unsupported
software is not an option. Also other 3D applications other than Maya
need to demonstrate to me a bit better that they can handle what is
required.

Eric T.

On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:53:14 AM, Maurício PC wrote:
> Hey Eric,
>
> Since the jigsaw article said Softimage will be around until 2016
> (when it finally stops on AD side), I do hope that you guys can change
> to something no AD a all.
>
> Giving them money after what they've done has to be a no-go. But I
> understand that you guys need to change for what will help you guys
> get more jobs.
>
> Just hope it's not AD stuff. :/
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Eric Thivierge <ethiv...@hybride.com
> <mailto:ethiv...@hybride.com>> wrote:
>
> 3pm EST today folks... stay tuned..
>
> On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:41:19 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>

> http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/__news/11949-autodesk-__softimages-retirement-what-__you-need-to-know/

> <http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/>
>
> taken page down.. who was a bit premature....
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Max Evgrafov
> <sum...@gmail.com <mailto:sum...@gmail.com>

> <mailto:sum...@gmail.com <mailto:sum...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> it is impossible to forgive AD
>
>
> 2014-03-04 16:33 GMT+04:00 Max Evgrafov <sum...@gmail.com
> <mailto:sum...@gmail.com>

> <mailto:sum...@gmail.com <mailto:sum...@gmail.com>>>:

>
> managers of AD are scoundrels. they will burn in hell
>
>
>
> 2014-03-04 16:24 GMT+04:00 John Clausing
> <jclau...@yahoo.com <mailto:jclau...@yahoo.com>

> <mailto:jclau...@yahoo.com <mailto:jclau...@yahoo.com>>__>:

>
> It also says "support till April 2016"
>
> As for me, as a freelancer, gotta go Maya. But I'm
> going
> to learn Modo and Houdini
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Daniel Sweeney
> <dan...@northforge.co.uk
> <mailto:dan...@northforge.co.uk>

> <mailto:dan...@northforge.co.__uk

> <mailto:dan...@northforge.co.uk>>>
> wrote:
>
> So they have spoken.
> Slow transition to another DCC then it is. I
> will use
> soft for as long as possible, But time to get the
> thinking hat on.
>
> What is everyone thinking of going too? I am
> going to
> look into modo for my own work I think but
> will probably
> need to know a bit about maya for freelance work.
>
> utter bullshit, but not a shock to be honest.
> probably
> the worse thing that could do is alienate
> there user
> base. like the blind leading the blind.
>
>
>
>
>
> Daniel Sweeney
> 3D Creative Director
>
> *Mobile:*+44 (0)7743429771
> <tel:%2B44%20%280%297743429771>

> <tel:%2B44%20%280%__297743429771>
> *Email:*Dan...@northforge.co.__uk
> <mailto:Dan...@northforge.co.uk>
> <mailto:Dan...@northforge.co.__uk

> <mailto:Dan...@northforge.co.uk>>
> *Web:*http://northforge.co.uk
> <http://northforge.co.uk/>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Kubicek
> <s...@tidbit-images.com

> <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com> <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com

> <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com>>> wrote:
>
> Not that I know of. And it says at the
> top: "Slated
> for release in 2015?" What?
>
>
> Was it announced - been in lectures
> all morning?
>
> Arse
>

> http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/____news/11949-autodesk-____softimages-retirement-what-____you-need-to-know/
> <http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/__news/11949-autodesk-__softimages-retirement-what-__you-need-to-know/>

>
> <http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/__news/11949-autodesk-__softimages-retirement-what-__you-need-to-know/
> <http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/>>
>
>
>
> Sofronis Efstathiou
>
> Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX
> Competition
> & Festival Director
> Computer Animation Academic Group
> National Centre for Computer Animation
>
> Email: sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk

> <mailto:sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk>
>
> <mailto:sefstathiou@__bournemouth.ac.uk
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>
> <mailto:sefstathiou@__bournemouth.ac.uk
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>
>
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> <http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou>>
>
> Student Work:

> http://www.youtube.com/____NCCA3DAnimation
> <http://www.youtube.com/__NCCA3DAnimation>
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/__NCCA3DAnimation
> <http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation>>
> http://www.youtube.com/____NCCADigitalFX
> <http://www.youtube.com/__NCCADigitalFX>
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/__NCCADigitalFX
> <http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX>>
> http://www.youtube.com/____NCCAAnimation
> <http://www.youtube.com/__NCCAAnimation>
>
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[Paul Griswold]

They released their profit & loss statement last night.  I'm pretty sure it showed ADSK as a whole had a 27% drop from the previous year.

Personally I don't plan on supporting them financially at all from now on.  And I will do my best to discourage anyone I know from buying any ADSK products.

I'd love nothing more at this point than to see ADSK being financially forced to start selling off divisions.

-Paul

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[Nicolas Esposito]

Sad...very sad...

Well...I guess I'll start to have a look at Maya

Thanks for the big middle finger Autodesk, very classy

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[Maurício PC]

I know that Eric, I was just curious.

I always dreamed of one day to work with Softimage in a big studio. Guess that's over now.

I've played with Maya, I've just started a workshop with Allan McKay on FumeFX, so that's not to say I hate 3ds Max or Maya, but I do hate Autodesk and if I get the change of ever doing my own business, I sure know it'll never be with AD products.

Just to be clear, I don't think Softimage would last forever, but I would expect the company to have a clear message and be transparent about their plans. Not this "in the shadows" rumor stuff and no  development they've been doing for years now.

Cheers.

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[Mirko Jankovic]

just a trim...

[Sven Constable]

Beeing a small one man company, rarely doing freelance work at other companys anymore, I'll stay with softimage until I'll die:) I will update to the latest version, be it 2015 or whatever and I will be very happy for the next ten years.

 

For the 3dsmax and maya users, it's not an ideal situation either. Because if AD integrates softimage's functionality into the other packages, it will be only a glimpse of the real strength of softimage. A half-arsed implemented sugarcoat on two gravestones (especially max) with stone-aged architectures that maya and max are. Seems strange to me,  that the most modern software of all tree will be retired. In an ideal world ( with a company focusing on innovation and developing) it should be the other way around. Killing max first, then maya. Integrating some of their features into Soft. Of course we're not in an ideal world but in Autodesk world. Oh well.

 

sven

 

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of John Clausing
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:24 PM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Retirement.....

 

It also says "support till April 2016"

 

As for me, as a freelancer, gotta go Maya. But I'm going to learn Modo and Houdini

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Daniel Sweeney <dan...@northforge.co.uk> wrote:

So they have spoken. 

Slow transition to another DCC then it is. I will use soft for as long as possible, But time to get the thinking hat on.

 

What is everyone thinking of going too? I am going to look into modo for my own work I think but will probably need to know a bit about maya for freelance work.

 

utter bullshit, but not a shock to be honest. probably the worse thing that could do is alienate there user base. like the blind leading the blind.

 

 

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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Stefan Kubicek <s...@tidbit-images.com> wrote:

Not that I know of. And it says at the top: "Slated for release in 2015?" What?

Was it announced - been in lectures all morning?

Arse

http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/



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[Szabolcs Matefy]

Seriously? Modeling with Maya or Max is like making love with a cheese grinder. Painful, no joy, just when you finished. That is Autodesk then. Hate it forever! Hate it forever!

[Jens Lindgren]

So lets assume the last version of Softimage will probably be Softimage 2016 SP1 then. That's two more years of development! Lets make those two years count and really try to push the dev team to invest their time into what really counts: Polish badly implemented features, fixing bugs and open up the API/SDK more.

/Jens

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[Peter Agg]

I'm reading that as in 2015 is the last version, but I imagine that they're required to keep it usable for 2 years.

[Nicolas Esposito]

Considering the latest update of Soft 2014 I wonder if they will just release bug fixes

If they'll open up the API/SDK maybe would be the last gift that AD will give us...but I strongly doubt it...

[Szabolcs Matefy]

Just finished the final moves that we completely switched to Softimage. The best tool for modeling, having an awesome non-destructive modeling system, having versatile scripting system, and one of the best scene structure (groups, model nodes), and now we are forced to use some mediocre piece of software?????? I hate business, and I hate that a company like AD could buy Softimage to ruin it.

[Jens Lindgren]

Yeah you might be right in that 2015 will be the last feature version. We'll just have to see. But I really hope that they will be working on bug fixes for the whole of two years then and not just sit around waiting on the Support Phone to ring.

/Jens

[Sven Constable]

I  did not mean the polygon modeling tools. But other things, like curve tools in max. And  I was always impressed by mayas paintfx tools... Would be nice if we had that in softimage out of the box, not only with complex and sophisticated ice setups. Things like that...

[Szabolcs Matefy]

Obviously I move to Maya, because I want to work in the industry few more years. Max is crap, I can work with that, too, but c’mon. There were almost nothing I couldn’t do with Softimage, faster than any other Maya or Max artist here. And I will embrace modo too, modeling is quite cool in modo, and the price is much lower…

 

Anyway folks, we have probably two years, however, it’s quite possible we’ll start another migration session.

[Ben Houston]

Here is the cached version:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gmEEsronJM0J:www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

If this link doesn't work you can find it again by looking at the attached that I found via Googling "Softimage retirement":

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[olivier jeannel]

Hi people,


Following the previous "Build Array / Modulo" discussion here are 2 compounds that will select particles every N Columns or Every N Lines in a Pointcloud grid.
No rocket science, but if it can help someone...
A big thank to Vladimir Jankijevic for puting me in the right path yesterday.

Olivier

[adrian wyer]

https://twitter.com/autodesk/status/440851164343828480

 

hehehe cry Havok......

 

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Maybe you could merge both compounds into one, with a boolean parameter to switch between the row/column order?

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[olivier jeannel]

The image couldn't go through the mail list. It's a repost :

Le 04/03/2014 15:33, Christopher Crouzet a écrit :

Maybe you could merge both compounds into one, with a boolean parameter to switch between the row/column order?

On 4 March 2014 09:04, olivier jeannel <olivier...@noos.fr> wrote:

Hi people,

Following the previous "Build Array / Modulo" discussion here are 2 compounds that will select particles every N Columns or Every N Lines in a Pointcloud grid.
No rocket science, but if it can help someone...
A big thank to Vladimir Jankijevic for puting me in the right path yesterday.

Olivier

[Francisco Criado]

I don'believe is true, Autodesk on its site didnt change anything, ssoftimage is still abailable.

Please stop publishing this kind of stuff, i'ts almost a week about people talking and speculating about softimage's end.

If you want to talk about it go to a geek gossip forum or maya's forum. This mailing list has been for q&a as a knowledge base for the past at least 15 years. And sice 2014 began there is a clear intention from a couple of users to filter and make noise with this kind of gossips.

Stop it now, please.

F.

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Sofronis Efstathiou <sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk> wrote:

 

Was it announced – been in lectures all morning?

 

Arse

 

http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/

 

 

 

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[Jason S]

Apart how slipping the rug under an entire community,
can be off the charts in terms of "wrongness" in most people's book,

it's also still mostly unanimous among anyone having used XSI,
that the (quote) "workflow" or "overall intuitiveness" or "friendlyness"
remains (objectively) unparalleled by a considerably vast gap to this day,
and it does seem to explain quite a few things..

 Notably;
  -- the historically strong sentiments (beyond what can be of personal preference or habit)
      toward what is otherwise just "stupid" software.

  -- what made it continue to (relatively) soar and evolve (mostly on the user side)
     despite core dev layoffs, no marketing, and constant death threats (rumors)

But as that undiscernable "secret magic ingredient"
might have been what made it go though all these obstacles,
(also creating, lets call it "love" in users, also becoming part of that magic)
.. now that one of the rumors turned out to be true,
that "magic" IS what can make it do like Neo did at the end of the first Matrix, which was to actually *Rise*.

"Stupid replaceble software" would not have consistantly evoked such sentiments from various devs and users across the board..
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Mootzoid   

For what it's worth:
I will continue developing and updating my plugins for Softimage regardless of what Autodesk does.

____________________
Arnold

Pooby ; This is part of an email to me from Marcos Fajardo, chief Architect of Arnold.

"Oh, and btw, we will continue to support SItoA for years, regardless of what happens with Softimage."

____________________
RedShift

Cacoman   
The same statement about still continue supporting Softimage no matter what,
has been made by the Redshift team in their forums.

______________
RRay

No path to Maya for me as well, with the main difference I'm seeing that in Maya we're meant to only follow the supported workflows. In SI every feature is constructed as just a building block of a workflow. Sure with Bifrost we'll see a little XSI light in Maya, but I doubt that this mentioned workflow philosophy will ever change.

Anyway I'll keep updating my site for as long as new plugins come out.



_____________________
This is from Fluckrat over at CGTalk which strikes me as a fair way to put it.

<< Comparisons between Softimage being EOL'd and Shake being superseded by Nuke are frankly a brainless and lazy simplification.

Nuke was a HUGE improvement over Shake and forward-thinking from the outset.
It signaled the arrival of the future.

Switching to Maya does not evoke the same feeling in me.

What has been Softimage's strength from the outset has also been it's biggest weakness because it doesn't engage or change people's perception of it as just another 3d DCC app.

People look at bullet-points and "non-linear clean workflow" just doesn't stand out. It's human nature.

Softimage's biggest strength has been the cleanliness of it's workflow.
Explaining and marketing a clean workflow as a killer feature is an impossible task.

You can move your project quickly and efficiently through the software and reach your goal without encountering many obstacles or resistance along the way.

No hacks or scripts needed, no baggage or fudging, just clean, well though-out and well implemented workflows throughout.

I personally set this above everything else in terms of importance.

I don't care if I don't have whizz-bang feature X Y or Z because the %95 of bread-and-butter,
what I'll be spending most of day doing stuff just works better.

That's what I would miss eventually.

I'll keep using Softimage until the engine eventually blows and the wheels fall off, because for me, it's solved all the problems that no-one else has. >>

Best

[Eric Thivierge]

You can not believe it is true all you want. Writing is on the wall and
the various posts this past week being more real than any others should
jog your vision. If it's not just wait until the end of the day and
you'll have your confirmation. Also it's now not just a couple of users
if you care to take notice... plus there is no one from AD coming in to
dispell the supposed "rumors".

It's sad to say, but this time it's true.

Eric T.

[Mirko Jankovic]

no one from AD dare to show their name anywhere as they know that they will get thrown with rotten stuff and even worse as soon as they  try to say anything at all. 

there is no marketing guru or PR wizard that can sugar coat this.

[Eric Thivierge]

Sure, but with their absence, it is a confirmation of its own.

[Francisco Criado]

f**k autodesk, f**k the police.

http://youtu.be/Cxuj_xjevTY

F.

[Emilio Hernandez]

[Emilio Hernandez]

[Szabolcs Matefy]

+1

 

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:25 PM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Retirement.

 

 

[Jason S]

Please lets remind ourselves that however bad a situation may be,
that  **Free bitching** can only grossely exacerbate what can be of that already bad situation.

[Joe Bask]

I have the screenshot of the news:

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JIGSAW

The screenshot is from here:

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softimage.tv

They pulled the news and I think Autodesk will have 'official' press release soon

[Ed Manning]

Stage 1 lasted nearly 5 years. It's only natural to spend a few days in stage 2.

The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include:^[2]

1. Denial — As the reality of loss is hard to face, one of the first reactions to follow the loss is Denial. What this means is that the person is trying to shut out the reality or magnitude of their situation, and begin to develop a false, preferable reality.
2. Anger — "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"
   Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Anger can manifest itself in different ways. People can be angry with themselves, or with others, and especially those who are close to them. It is important to remain detached and nonjudgmental when dealing with a person experiencing anger from grief.
3. Bargaining — "I'll do anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if…"
   The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow undo or avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Other times, they will use any thing valuable as a bargaining chip against another human agency to extend or prolong the life they live. Psychologically, the individual is saying, "I understand I will die, but if I could just do something to buy more time…" People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek to negotiate a compromise. For example "Can we still be friends?" when facing a break-up. Bargaining rarely provides a sustainable solution, especially if it is a matter of life or death.
4. Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
   During the fourth stage, the grieving person begins to understand the certainty of death. Much like the existential concept of The Void, the idea of living becomes pointless. Things begin to lose meaning to the griever. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time crying and sullen. This process allows the grieving person to disconnect from things of love and affection, possibly in an attempt to avoid further trauma. Depression could be referred to as the dress rehearsal for the 'aftermath'. It is a kind of acceptance with emotional attachment. It is natural to feel sadness, regret, fear, and uncertainty when going through this stage. Feeling those emotions shows that the person has begun to accept the situation. Often times, this is the ideal path to take, to find closure and make their ways to the fifth step, Acceptance.
5. Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
   In this last stage, individuals begin to come to terms with their mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. This stage varies according to the person's situation. People dying can enter this stage a long time before the people they leave behind, who must pass through their own individual stages of dealing with the grief. This typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable mindset.

[Francisco Criado]

Ed, i'm having a constant loop here ;)

F.

[Max Evgrafov]

sadness is that AD is a monopoly now.  ;-)   This is bad not only for users of xsi

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[Ahmed Barakat]

an old softimage 3d testimonial video featuring lots of london's old timers from various studios including a young Kim Aldis :), https://vimeo.com/21515771 

[Luca!!!!]

2.5. Fucking in the ass with a cactus the first AD suit who's been involved in the Softimage ending — "Hey, man. Look at what I got for you. Yeah, its a cactus and I'm one of the guys using Softimage that your're doomed to struggle again in weeks for doing what I already was doing before with ease!".

This stage varies according to the person's situations. Maybe the damned AD suit likes it, so it's preferable not to give this satisfaction. Melting the subject into acid it's a fun substitute.

[Angus Davidson]

Ita a good thing they never harnessed the Softimage communities creativity to build war machines. Would be a very one sided conflict.

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Sent: 04 March 2014 05:57 PM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Retirement.....

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[Jason S]

Emilo?  Luca? A  --properly channeled & civil-- "stage 2"  can go a long way in terms of invoking change.
(the opposite of civil doing quite the opposite, especially in more public forums)

Also found this sort-of ironic from the jigsaw release, 
which did heighten my own "stage 2" concerning the aquisition in the first place,
and consequently the eventual actual termination.

So why kill off Softimage?  Well, Autodesk already have two insanely popular, industry standard 3D software products on their books – 3ds Max and Maya – and want to concentrate all their efforts on those...

[Emilio Hernandez]

I am actually waiting for the official announcement... 

[Francisco Criado]

Jason, 

maybe autodesk is leaving those 2 "insanely" applications and put their afforts on getting better products until... they realize they only needed only one profesional software, oh, ups, we buried it in 2014, which has the name? ah softimage.

[adrian wyer]

every time that video pops up, Dave sits next to me with his head in his hands.....

 

hehehe

 

a

 

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From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ahmed Barakat
Sent: 04 March 2014 15:56
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Retirement.....

 

an old softimage 3d testimonial video featuring lots of london's old timers from various studios including a young Kim Aldis :), https://vimeo.com/21515771 

 

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Francisco Criado <malcr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ed, i'm having a constant loop here ;)

F.

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Ed Manning <etmt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Stage 1 lasted nearly 5 years. It's only natural to spend a few days in stage 2.

 

The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include:^[2]

1.     Denial — As the reality of loss is hard to face, one of the first reactions to follow the loss is Denial. What this means is that the person is trying to shut out the reality or magnitude of their situation, and begin to develop a false, preferable reality.

2.     Anger — "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"

Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Anger can manifest itself in different ways. People can be angry with themselves, or with others, and especially those who are close to them. It is important to remain detached and nonjudgmental when dealing with a person experiencing anger from grief.

3.     Bargaining — "I'll do anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if…"

The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow undo or avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Other times, they will use any thing valuable as a bargaining chip against another human agency to extend or prolong the life they live. Psychologically, the individual is saying, "I understand I will die, but if I could just do something to buy more time…" People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek to negotiate a compromise. For example "Can we still be friends?" when facing a break-up. Bargaining rarely provides a sustainable solution, especially if it is a matter of life or death.

4.     Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"

During the fourth stage, the grieving person begins to understand the certainty of death. Much like the existential concept of The Void, the idea of living becomes pointless. Things begin to lose meaning to the griever. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time crying and sullen. This process allows the grieving person to disconnect from things of love and affection, possibly in an attempt to avoid further trauma. Depression could be referred to as the dress rehearsal for the 'aftermath'. It is a kind of acceptance with emotional attachment. It is natural to feel sadness, regret, fear, and uncertainty when going through this stage. Feeling those emotions shows that the person has begun to accept the situation. Often times, this is the ideal path to take, to find closure and make their ways to the fifth step, Acceptance.

5.     Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."

[Daniel H]

Ok Ed. This is the stage I'm at.

10 LET denial = 1
20 LET anger = 0
30 GOTO 40
40 IF denial = 1 THEN GOTO 50
50 LET anger = anger + 1
60 PRINT "HATE, HATE, HATE, BUT LOATHE AUTODESK ENTIRELY!"
70 PRINT anger
80 IF anger >= 1 THEN GOTO 50
90 END

You can paste it here: http://www.calormen.com/jsbasic/ It runs. :)

Daniel

VFXM

[Francisco Criado]

LOL

[Doeke Wartena]

They should have included a free version for maya and max users years ago. That way the might have could sink another boat by now.

I will switch in 2 years to modo or houdini.

Sad softimage was sold to satan.

[Enrique Caballero]

hopefully you all will stick around on this list, or move as a group. as I've grown to rely on this mailing list whenever I've had trouble or needed some advice. I don't think I could match this community if i tried.

[Byron Nash]

I agree Enrique, the XSI-List is a big part of the reason Softimage was so awesome. 

[Angus Davidson]

With or without ADs infrastructure I am sure the list will survive, even if the focus changes slightly

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Sent: 04 March 2014 07:20 PM

To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Retirement.....

[Adam Sale]

Well, the headsmans axe finally dropped.  

A truly sad day indeed. 

My plan is to migrate over to maya grudgingly as I will take advantage of the 0 dollar transfer, but learn Houdini / Modo / FE as well. 

I don't like the idea of supporting the very entity that killed off and mismanaged Softimage into the ground, but reality dictates that Maya will be king of the hill for some time.

I just hope that the Soft devs that moved to Maya implement a lot of what we have come to know and love in Softimage. 

I hope this list sticks around in some way, shape or form, as many of you folks on here have become a sort of extended family. 

It's time to look forward. We have known this day was coming for some time now. 

Adam

[Marc-Andre Carbonneau]

Bad pr from Autodesk.

No compassion...

No information about what's being done to Maya that could interest Softimage users...

I mean, that could help, no?

 

Does everyone that was working on Softimage including demo artists and support are moving to Maya or where they let go?

[Mirko Jankovic]

there is nothing that Maya ofers that would bring SI user to move.

Couple nice things and eye candy are not enough to leave much better workflow and less stress environment.

True your viewport will look nice.. better be when you will spend s twice or more time looking at the same thing when in SI you would finish it already and be looking at something else.

UUUuuu look at pretty colors... dont mind stress andc rashes just look at pretty colors

[Sofronis Efstathiou]

Don't know about you lot, but just got back home to a family who are consoling me with pancakes and strawberries. Wife giving reassuring nods as I explain (although no idea what I am blubbering about...except an understanding of more work as I transition to modular pipeline with 6 apps being used for the best artist experience)...bring on the cream and maple syrup...

Sofronis Efstathiou

Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Festival Director

Computer Animation Academic Group
National Centre for Computer Animation

Email: sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk

Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805

Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou

Student Work:
http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation
http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX
http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre...@ubisoft.com]
Received: Tuesday, 04 Mar 2014, 6:18PM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com [soft...@listproc.autodesk.com]
Subject: RE: Retirement.....

Bad pr from Autodesk.
No compassion...
No information about what's being done to Maya that could interest Softimage users...
I mean, that could help, no?

Does everyone that was working on Softimage including demo artists and support are moving to Maya or where they let go?


From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson
Sent: 4 mars 2014 12:29
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Retirement.....

With or without ADs infrastructure I am sure the list will survive, even if the focus changes slightly
________________________________
From: Byron Nash [byro...@gmail.com]
Sent: 04 March 2014 07:20 PM

To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:soft...@listproc.autodesk.com>

Subject: Re: Retirement.....
I agree Enrique, the XSI-List is a big part of the reason Softimage was so awesome.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Enrique Caballero <enriquec...@gmail.com<mailto:enriquec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
hopefully you all will stick around on this list, or move as a group. as I've grown to rely on this mailing list whenever I've had trouble or needed some advice. I don't think I could match this community if i tried.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Doeke Wartena <clank...@gmail.com<mailto:clank...@gmail.com>> wrote:
They should have included a free version for maya and max users years ago. That way the might have could sink another boat by now.
I will switch in 2 years to modo or houdini.

Sad softimage was sold to satan.

2014-03-04 17:24 GMT+01:00 Daniel H <vfx...@gmail.com<mailto:vfx...@gmail.com>>:

Ok Ed. This is the stage I'm at.

10 LET denial = 1
20 LET anger = 0
30 GOTO 40
40 IF denial = 1 THEN GOTO 50
50 LET anger = anger + 1
60 PRINT "HATE, HATE, HATE, BUT LOATHE AUTODESK ENTIRELY!"
70 PRINT anger
80 IF anger >= 1 THEN GOTO 50
90 END

You can paste it here: http://www.calormen.com/jsbasic/ It runs. :)
Daniel
VFXM

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Ed Manning <etmt...@gmail.com<mailto:etmt...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Stage 1 lasted nearly 5 years. It's only natural to spend a few days in stage 2.



The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include:





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[Angus Davidson]

Sadly no word yet on what will happen with the academic licences ?

Are you guys on the ARC program from autodesk ?


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[Maurice Patel]

I am checking facts on that one

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

[Paul]

All I got was 'it's not the end of the world. Can you take the rubbish out?'

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Angus,

The EDU suite will be treated like the commercial Ultimate Suite in that Softimage will be included for 2 more years but retired in 2016. However the free student licenses and ARC programs will be retired on March 28th
maurice

[Angus Davidson]

Hi Maurice

Not great news for us as we are on the ARC licences ;(

Any news of maybe getting Maya LT added to to ARC program to compensate. We use softimage for our games design course (as well as our 3d animation course) and Maya is very much overkill for what they need.

Kind regards

Angus
________________________________________
From: Maurice Patel [mauric...@autodesk.com]
Sent: 04 March 2014 09:46 PM

[Maurice Patel]

I know there have been discussions about this but am not sure what the status is. I will check.
Maurice

[Sofronis Efstathiou]

I don't think so, we bought a 5 year license deal for the entire school (something stupid like 500 licenses). This up for renewal this summer or next (I can't remember).

We are going to discuss our migration policy with AD and lecturers (already started this afternoon) - but our immediate thoughts are a hybrid modular pipeline (similar to some parts in the industry) that introduces the best tool for a particular discipline - so really looking at a Houdini, Modo, zBrush, Mari, Nuke, MR, V-Ray, Maxwell and Realflow pipeline, with possible Maya integration for Character, rigging and Shot assembly - although we may actually make a more progressive jump to Houdini (we are an accredited training centre).

Fun times. I do know there could be a lot less Autodesk student coming out of Bournemouth in the next few years....so we need to discuss with Soho as well.

Sofronis Efstathiou
 
Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition and Festival Director

Computer Animation Academic Group
National Centre for Computer Animation

Email: sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk

Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805

Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou

Student Work:
http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation
http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX
http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation



  

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[Sofronis Efstathiou]

Ha! I got the better deal. Pancake in the post.... ;0)

Sofronis Efstathiou

Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition and Festival Director

Computer Animation Academic Group
National Centre for Computer Animation

Email: sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk

Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805

Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou

Student Work:
http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation
http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX
http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation

Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching
with wide scientific and creative applications

-----Original Message-----

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: 04 March 2014 19:44
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Retirement.....

[Angus Davidson]

We have never been on that scale (max of 25 licences). It does raise an interesting point that there have been a lot of these custom deals for the bigger seat numbers that dont fit the traditional licensing model.

Account Managers are in for a fun month or three.

Will definitely be keeping in touch to see what other educators are going to be doing.

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From: Sofronis Efstathiou [sefst...@bournemouth.ac.uk]

Sent: 04 March 2014 10:24 PM